And then he goes on showing EVERY PHONE does that.
I think you must be confused by something? They showed 3 different phone brand/OS combos that by holding in a certain way could loose substantial signal. Yes?
NO - they don't do THAT while holding it THAT WAY.
Parse error...care to restate?
So, yes, he lied and did not accept that iphone was the only phone which did something wrong.
I'm lost...what's the problem? Do you not agree that some phones can lose signal by being held certain ways? What's the lie?
Hmm.. I thought jobs explicitly said that they had been showing too many bars? I also thought that he explicitly pointed out X marks the spot for where holding the iPhone4 had the worst impact. Do you disagree?
Perhaps you should watch/read the press conference that Steve Jobs gave the other week. He specially pointed out X marks the spot on the iPhone, and then pointed out how holding other phones in certain other ways affected signal as well.
My point is that everytime you download a binary blob of anything, you are potentially allowing people to execute arbitrary code (I say potentially as more and more OSes have fine-grained control over what programs can actually do, so unlike in eg the DOS days, a binary isn't as free to do anything at all as it used to be). I mean even with a program like Firefox, I've looked at the source code maybe a handful of times...there could be anything in there. It could be phoning home and downloading botnet instructions every day and I would never know.
I think the GP was possibly wrong about Javascript when s/he talked about "multiple sandboxes." The javascript sandbox most people talk about is built into the browser. The javascript sandbox the article is talking about would be built into Adobe Acrobat. Other than both being an implementation of the javascript language for scripting an application, there's no relationship. There's no "multiple levels" of sandbox
Almost any Apple tragic. SuperKendall is one and constantly protests that he has no problems what so ever. I'm highly sceptical of such people, everything has flaws and nothing is perfect, even if the flaws are trivial and easily ignored or mitigated they still exist and refusing to acknowledge means you aren't capable of objectivity (ergo not trustworthy).
Ok, I still haven't seen any of this. If you'd like to actually link to anybody saying this I'd be glad to take a look, but so far despite my asking numerous people this question, nobody has provided me a citation.
This is exactly what's happening. Any electrical engineer could tell you that Apple's antenna problems stem from the holder changing the electrical length of the aerial which causes the phone to interpret the correct frequencies as incorrect frequencies. Most Iphone owners choose to believe that the problem does not exist or is a software issue rather then a fundamental design flaw. Apple owners are displaying cognitive dissonance when it comes to problems with Apple products, a design flaw goes against what they believe about Apple, thus the design flaw is a lie.
You talk a good talk, but in the lack of citations, it's just make believe, like the rumor sites you apparently believe in. I say again, I have yet to see anybody claim that the iPhone doesn't lose some signal strength when deathgripped without a case or even when held tightly in the antenna bridging bug area. Steve Jobs even highlighted the spot in his presentation last week! Show me these "most" iPhone4 users who refuse to believe this, or who think it's only a software problem. Apple has sold 3 million+ iPhones, so if "most" of them believe this, it should be a piece of cake for you to find this.
Up until it's release it was being called the Iphone 4G by every rumour site, they said it would have WiMax and LTE, be faster the the Evo4G and be available on any US carrier. I think you are convieintly forgetting this point, see "cognitive dissonance" above.
Wow, and here is where the insanity comes out! So by your standards, anything that appears on a rumor site is fact and impacts the actual product. A rumor is just a rumor! Why should a rumor have any importance at all beyond itself? The name of the phone is the iPhone 4, not the iPhone 4g. Apple has never once called it the iPhone 4g and Apple has never once claimed it has 4g capabilities. This is something that people made up. If you or others chose to believe certain rumors (of which there were multitude) before the iPhone4 was even announced, that's your fault for being gullible / uncritically accepting of wild rumors. Again, explain to my why rumor sites have ANY relevance here?
Doesn't follow. McDonalds can make a technically consistent burger while also making a crappy burger. (I don't want to get into an argument over burgers as this is veering far offtopic)...
The point is that when the original poster said:
They don't need to give more of a response because while Apple has created a few phones Nokia and RIM have created hundreds of different models from the stupid to the very cutting edge smart phone.... It isn't worth dignifying with a response.
That's a fallacious argument. Saying Nokia and RIM don't even need to respond to criticism because in the past they've made hundreds of phones? Ludicrous.
Intel has made hundreds of CPUs, but they have to respond to criticism. Toyota has made thousands of cars and they have to respond to criticism. And so on.
They don't need to give more of a response because while Apple has created a few phones Nokia and RIM have created hundreds of different models from the stupid to the very cutting edge smart phone.... It isn't worth dignifying with a response.
That that is a fallacious argument?
Saying (paraphrased) "Nokia and RIM are such great authorities in the field that they shouldn't even dignify any potential criticism with a response" is pretty much a textbook example! Do you disagree?
Since you obviously didn't read the post to which I replied, let me excerpt the relevant sections:
They don't need to give more of a response because while Apple has created a few phones Nokia and RIM have created hundreds of different models from the stupid to the very cutting edge smart phone.... It isn't worth dignifying with a response.
Fallacious. There IS no argument to rebut other than the statement that because Nokia and RIM are authorities they don't need to even respond to any potential criticism.
Since you obviously didn't read the post to which I replied, let me excerpt the relevant sections:
They don't need to give more of a response because while Apple has created a few phones Nokia and RIM have created hundreds of different models from the stupid to the very cutting edge smart phone.... It isn't worth dignifying with a response.
Fallacious. Couldn't be simpler. There IS no argument to rebut other than the statement that because Nokia and RIM are authorities they don't need to even respond to any potential criticism.
I bought an N900 almost entirely because skype and sip were properly integrated into the dialer, along with AIM, MSN, ICQ, etc. I wanted the whole open source phone for moral reason, but I needed some killer app before spending $500, well I knew I'd never really use latex or an sql client on my phone despite declaring those as requirements years ago.
The N900 certainly seems popular among geeks (ie slashdot) but I can't say I've even seen one IRL. Skype btw does have access to the contact list, but is NOT integrated into the base phone dialer on the iPhone.
I then however become extremely happy with the widgets, absolutely convinced me that Apple's menu oriented interface for the iPhone is suboptimal for power users.
Possibly. I think you're right that widgets are useful, and I'll bet Apple adds them at some point. I also think it's worth noting that features that you personally find useful are not necessarily in the same subset of power user features. They may, but they may not be.
We'll see what phone introduces integrated print spooling first, definitely a critical feature for devices with tiny screens.
I guess. There are print apps for the iPhone. I'll bet Apple adds it soon thanks to the iPad. We'll see!
Though I'm not quite sure how the iPhone "Facetime" feature works. As I understand it, it's intended for video chat but it's effectively a voip client built into the core dialer/addressbook/etc.
The argument that someone has done something more necessarily means they are better at it is a logical fallacy, and the fallacy is appeal to authority. They are an authority because they do it a lot, right? By that logic McDonalds should build a better burger.
If you read the Anandtech review (who did his testing without anything nifty like an anechoic chamber or any special hardware) he showed that in comparison to an iphone 3gs and several other phones, the iPhone 4 most definitely DOES lose more signal than the others. However Anand also said that the iPhone4 seemed to hold onto calls even with a lesser signal than the iPhone 3gs or other phones (-113 dbm iirc).
And regardless of this--the free case seems to solve the problem. At least I haven't seen people claiming otherwise?
Was it a messup/bug/engineering mistake--absolutely.
Also FWIW, I have tested running SpeedTest with my iPhone 3gs tightly gripping the bottom 1/3 (with a case on). The speed goes down absolutely predictably. From the Apple presentation, youtube videos and other people I've talked to, most phones do indeed have this problem. The iPhone4 seems to have it worse, but nothing a case doesn't solve.
Do you really have to trade in your old phone? I haven't done this with AT&T, but I don't recall ever having to trade in my old phone with Verizon when I was eligible for an upgrade...?
Yes, some people like yourself fit the iPhone into their business life, fine, you're a minority.
Agreed, but I would say also, a very quickly growing number, while RIM seems to be declining. The next several years will be decisive.
Apple knows their target market backwards and forwards, that market excludes business men. A western business phone requires physical a keyboard, multitasking, universal generic cut & paste, clean SIP integration, tethering, exchange support, etc. You don't need any of that shit if your selling a combo phone and games platform like Google and Apple.
Other than the physical keyboard requirement which by definition removes the iPhone and many Android phones from the running, don't most Android versions and the iPhone support all of those features? SIP integration?
Many of my friends and users have dropped the iPhone to the "what?!?" "why, whats the matter with you?!?" of their fellow iPhone users
Ok, so some iPhone users switch to other phones. Check.
The 4G is indeed the 4th generation, 4th iteration of the phone. You are correct Apple has not tagged it with the 4G monicker. However, the 4th G(eneration) as I put it is quite convenient
Did you miss the point? What you said doesn't make any sense at all... That's like saying Firefox 3g is false advertising because it's really not a 3g device. Well, yeah, of COURSE, but since nobody ever called Firefox "firefox 3g" it's also completely irrelevant. Nobody except you is claiming anything about the iphone 4 and 4g? I just don't get it?
Call it what you will, iPhone users typically shun any other model/device because it "isn't an iPhone".
Aggghh, my head -- you just claimed that "many" of your friends and others users had dropped the iPhone. But now you say "iPhone users" shun all other devices. Ow, the illogic hurts me!
I'm going to go ahead and assume you have one since you are so "vehemently" defending it.
I do have an iPhone (3gs), yes. If one link, one statement of fact, and 2 questions are "vehemently" defending, then I think you might want to reevaluate your understanding of the word vehement!
Apple posted a number of Antenna Engineer positions just before the phone came out. Coincidence?
I thought they were opened after the iPhone4 came out? Not sure.
And as usual you can blame the media for the 4G monicker, don't blame me for the sheeple's misconception.
So who, exactly, is calling it 4g? The "media" ??
Also in reference to not having one and coveting their wonderous device. I simply refuse to pay the difference. I'll happily save my 360 dollars a year. If I want to get on the internet, I have one of 3 laptops or 2 desktops to do so
Hey, no problem! I'm one of the vast majority of iPhone users who couldn't care less what devices you choose to use. More power to you:)
So the best articles to support your nomenclature are two articles from months before the iPhone was announced/released? And which claim Verizon has confirmed they're upgrading their network to support the iPhone. That's silly..
I totally agree re: crappy AT&T reception. I switched from Verizon to get the 3GS (and I would do it again too, FWIW) but I get crappy reception at my house now.
Even though I live in a low reception area, I wouldn't hesitate to get an iPhone 4. Well, I AM hesitating because my contract isn't up until next year. But in any case, a free bumper solves the death grip problem. I have my 3GS in a case and I think everybody else I know with an iPhone has a case too... if I got an iPhone 4 or iPhone 5--whatever is out next year--I'd get a case for it too. So, it really doesn't affect my decision.
IMHO this whole event is really notable as an example of mass Apple-hate! Apple-hate has always been around (and I should know, I loathed Macs in the pre-OSX days) but it seems like Apple is more hated than MSFT now! And of course Apple did handle the issue very poorly at first...
Doesn't seem that way to me. The GP even says that on AT&T low coverage spots are easy to find! As an AT&T customer I totally agree with that.
30 days gives anybody time to try their new phone in a variety of situations. Plus given it's the most publicized phone in the world, nobody is going into this blind. The GP's obvious implication of a bait and switch is false.
People bought the iPhone because it was Apple and they wanted to have a stylish phone. They wanted to look marvelous.
Way to stereotype.
I use my iPhone for work, full use of VPN and intranet apps, exchange access, group calendaring, etc. It works very well for me. As good as a blackberry for business? Perhaps not, but it's pretty close imho.
Let me put it this way--having used both, I don't see any compelling features of the Blackberry that would make me want to get one over an iPhone or an eg Android. Again very much IMHO, but I think RIM is going to be a big loser in the smartphone war. It wouldn't surprise me if Nokia is headed that way too. Maybe Apple is next for all I know...
Bullshit. I am putting my hand on that spot and NOTHING HAPPENS. Problem? No, I don't see it. Maybe some people do, but it's not severe. Certainly doesn't happen to most everyone or there would be TONS of these phones being returned.
But that's been the exact argument about the iPhone4 bug...it only really seems to affect people who both don't have a case and are in poor reception areas. Every iPhone user I know personally has a case, which I would presume would somewhat limit the problem. Many iPhone users (myself included) do also happen to be in poor reception areas unfortunately... The bug also seems to disproportionately affect left-handed people.
If you live in a GOOD reception area with the iPhone4, the death grip might make you not lose even a single bar, as has been demonstrated ad infinitum (go read the Anandtech review if it doesn't make sense).
Judging from Jobs' numbers if they're accurate, not too many people are returning the iPhone4 either.
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And then he goes on showing EVERY PHONE does that.
I think you must be confused by something? They showed 3 different phone brand/OS combos that by holding in a certain way could loose substantial signal. Yes?
NO - they don't do THAT while holding it THAT WAY.
Parse error...care to restate?
So, yes, he lied and did not accept that iphone was the only phone which did something wrong.
I'm lost...what's the problem? Do you not agree that some phones can lose signal by being held certain ways? What's the lie?
Unfortunately, as an AT&T/iPhone 3gs user, I have to agree.
Actually, it's not quite that bad. I get horrible reception in my house, but it's much better in bigger cities in my experience.
Hmm.. I thought jobs explicitly said that they had been showing too many bars? I also thought that he explicitly pointed out X marks the spot for where holding the iPhone4 had the worst impact. Do you disagree?
Perhaps you should watch/read the press conference that Steve Jobs gave the other week. He specially pointed out X marks the spot on the iPhone, and then pointed out how holding other phones in certain other ways affected signal as well.
I thought the iPhone4 would only lose all signal if you're already in a low signal area?
That is, for all these other phones that lost signal strength, if they were in a low signal area, they could very well lose all the signal as well?
My point is that everytime you download a binary blob of anything, you are potentially allowing people to execute arbitrary code (I say potentially as more and more OSes have fine-grained control over what programs can actually do, so unlike in eg the DOS days, a binary isn't as free to do anything at all as it used to be). I mean even with a program like Firefox, I've looked at the source code maybe a handful of times...there could be anything in there. It could be phoning home and downloading botnet instructions every day and I would never know.
I think the GP was possibly wrong about Javascript when s/he talked about "multiple sandboxes." The javascript sandbox most people talk about is built into the browser. The javascript sandbox the article is talking about would be built into Adobe Acrobat. Other than both being an implementation of the javascript language for scripting an application, there's no relationship. There's no "multiple levels" of sandbox
So virtually any binary executable is a bad thing? Or am I misunderstanding what you're saying?
I could be wrong, but I don't think any US providers require you to turn in your old phone.
And if you did choose to sell your old phone...how is Apple/the cell company to blame for that?
Almost any Apple tragic. SuperKendall is one and constantly protests that he has no problems what so ever. I'm highly sceptical of such people, everything has flaws and nothing is perfect, even if the flaws are trivial and easily ignored or mitigated they still exist and refusing to acknowledge means you aren't capable of objectivity (ergo not trustworthy).
Ok, I still haven't seen any of this. If you'd like to actually link to anybody saying this I'd be glad to take a look, but so far despite my asking numerous people this question, nobody has provided me a citation.
This is exactly what's happening. Any electrical engineer could tell you that Apple's antenna problems stem from the holder changing the electrical length of the aerial which causes the phone to interpret the correct frequencies as incorrect frequencies. Most Iphone owners choose to believe that the problem does not exist or is a software issue rather then a fundamental design flaw. Apple owners are displaying cognitive dissonance when it comes to problems with Apple products, a design flaw goes against what they believe about Apple, thus the design flaw is a lie.
You talk a good talk, but in the lack of citations, it's just make believe, like the rumor sites you apparently believe in. I say again, I have yet to see anybody claim that the iPhone doesn't lose some signal strength when deathgripped without a case or even when held tightly in the antenna bridging bug area. Steve Jobs even highlighted the spot in his presentation last week! Show me these "most" iPhone4 users who refuse to believe this, or who think it's only a software problem. Apple has sold 3 million+ iPhones, so if "most" of them believe this, it should be a piece of cake for you to find this.
Up until it's release it was being called the Iphone 4G by every rumour site, they said it would have WiMax and LTE, be faster the the Evo4G and be available on any US carrier. I think you are convieintly forgetting this point, see "cognitive dissonance" above.
Wow, and here is where the insanity comes out! So by your standards, anything that appears on a rumor site is fact and impacts the actual product. A rumor is just a rumor! Why should a rumor have any importance at all beyond itself? The name of the phone is the iPhone 4, not the iPhone 4g. Apple has never once called it the iPhone 4g and Apple has never once claimed it has 4g capabilities. This is something that people made up. If you or others chose to believe certain rumors (of which there were multitude) before the iPhone4 was even announced, that's your fault for being gullible / uncritically accepting of wild rumors. Again, explain to my why rumor sites have ANY relevance here?
Doesn't follow. McDonalds can make a technically consistent burger while also making a crappy burger. (I don't want to get into an argument over burgers as this is veering far offtopic)...
The point is that when the original poster said:
They don't need to give more of a response because while Apple has created a few phones Nokia and RIM have created hundreds of different models from the stupid to the very cutting edge smart phone. ... It isn't worth dignifying with a response.
That's a fallacious argument. Saying Nokia and RIM don't even need to respond to criticism because in the past they've made hundreds of phones? Ludicrous.
Intel has made hundreds of CPUs, but they have to respond to criticism. Toyota has made thousands of cars and they have to respond to criticism. And so on.
So you don't think when the poster said:
They don't need to give more of a response because while Apple has created a few phones Nokia and RIM have created hundreds of different models from the stupid to the very cutting edge smart phone. ... It isn't worth dignifying with a response.
That that is a fallacious argument?
Saying (paraphrased) "Nokia and RIM are such great authorities in the field that they shouldn't even dignify any potential criticism with a response" is pretty much a textbook example! Do you disagree?
Since you obviously didn't read the post to which I replied, let me excerpt the relevant sections:
They don't need to give more of a response because while Apple has created a few phones Nokia and RIM have created hundreds of different models from the stupid to the very cutting edge smart phone. ... It isn't worth dignifying with a response.
Fallacious. There IS no argument to rebut other than the statement that because Nokia and RIM are authorities they don't need to even respond to any potential criticism.
Since you obviously didn't read the post to which I replied, let me excerpt the relevant sections:
They don't need to give more of a response because while Apple has created a few phones Nokia and RIM have created hundreds of different models from the stupid to the very cutting edge smart phone. ... It isn't worth dignifying with a response.
Fallacious. Couldn't be simpler. There IS no argument to rebut other than the statement that because Nokia and RIM are authorities they don't need to even respond to any potential criticism.
I bought an N900 almost entirely because skype and sip were properly integrated into the dialer, along with AIM, MSN, ICQ, etc. I wanted the whole open source phone for moral reason, but I needed some killer app before spending $500, well I knew I'd never really use latex or an sql client on my phone despite declaring those as requirements years ago.
The N900 certainly seems popular among geeks (ie slashdot) but I can't say I've even seen one IRL. Skype btw does have access to the contact list, but is NOT integrated into the base phone dialer on the iPhone.
I then however become extremely happy with the widgets, absolutely convinced me that Apple's menu oriented interface for the iPhone is suboptimal for power users.
Possibly. I think you're right that widgets are useful, and I'll bet Apple adds them at some point. I also think it's worth noting that features that you personally find useful are not necessarily in the same subset of power user features. They may, but they may not be.
We'll see what phone introduces integrated print spooling first, definitely a critical feature for devices with tiny screens.
I guess. There are print apps for the iPhone. I'll bet Apple adds it soon thanks to the iPad. We'll see!
Well, you can hold the Blackberry and make a phone call, does that count?
Have you used an iPhone 4 and a blackberry?
Attempt at humor aside, I'm guessing no...
Yeah, I think you're right on that.
Though I'm not quite sure how the iPhone "Facetime" feature works. As I understand it, it's intended for video chat but it's effectively a voip client built into the core dialer/addressbook/etc.
Only works on wifi thanks to AT&T.
I like Drinkypoo's explanation in this thread.
The argument that someone has done something more necessarily means they are better at it is a logical fallacy, and the fallacy is appeal to authority. They are an authority because they do it a lot, right? By that logic McDonalds should build a better burger.
If you read the Anandtech review (who did his testing without anything nifty like an anechoic chamber or any special hardware) he showed that in comparison to an iphone 3gs and several other phones, the iPhone 4 most definitely DOES lose more signal than the others. However Anand also said that the iPhone4 seemed to hold onto calls even with a lesser signal than the iPhone 3gs or other phones (-113 dbm iirc).
And regardless of this--the free case seems to solve the problem. At least I haven't seen people claiming otherwise?
Was it a messup/bug/engineering mistake--absolutely.
Also FWIW, I have tested running SpeedTest with my iPhone 3gs tightly gripping the bottom 1/3 (with a case on). The speed goes down absolutely predictably. From the Apple presentation, youtube videos and other people I've talked to, most phones do indeed have this problem. The iPhone4 seems to have it worse, but nothing a case doesn't solve.
Do you really have to trade in your old phone? I haven't done this with AT&T, but I don't recall ever having to trade in my old phone with Verizon when I was eligible for an upgrade...?
Yes, some people like yourself fit the iPhone into their business life, fine, you're a minority.
Agreed, but I would say also, a very quickly growing number, while RIM seems to be declining. The next several years will be decisive.
Apple knows their target market backwards and forwards, that market excludes business men. A western business phone requires physical a keyboard, multitasking, universal generic cut & paste, clean SIP integration, tethering, exchange support, etc. You don't need any of that shit if your selling a combo phone and games platform like Google and Apple.
Other than the physical keyboard requirement which by definition removes the iPhone and many Android phones from the running, don't most Android versions and the iPhone support all of those features? SIP integration?
Many of my friends and users have dropped the iPhone to the "what?!?" "why, whats the matter with you?!?" of their fellow iPhone users
Ok, so some iPhone users switch to other phones. Check.
The 4G is indeed the 4th generation, 4th iteration of the phone. You are correct Apple has not tagged it with the 4G monicker. However, the 4th G(eneration) as I put it is quite convenient
Did you miss the point? What you said doesn't make any sense at all... That's like saying Firefox 3g is false advertising because it's really not a 3g device. Well, yeah, of COURSE, but since nobody ever called Firefox "firefox 3g" it's also completely irrelevant. Nobody except you is claiming anything about the iphone 4 and 4g? I just don't get it?
Call it what you will, iPhone users typically shun any other model/device because it "isn't an iPhone".
Aggghh, my head -- you just claimed that "many" of your friends and others users had dropped the iPhone. But now you say "iPhone users" shun all other devices. Ow, the illogic hurts me!
I'm going to go ahead and assume you have one since you are so "vehemently" defending it.
I do have an iPhone (3gs), yes. If one link, one statement of fact, and 2 questions are "vehemently" defending, then I think you might want to reevaluate your understanding of the word vehement!
Apple posted a number of Antenna Engineer positions just before the phone came out. Coincidence?
I thought they were opened after the iPhone4 came out? Not sure.
And as usual you can blame the media for the 4G monicker, don't blame me for the sheeple's misconception.
So who, exactly, is calling it 4g? The "media" ??
Also in reference to not having one and coveting their wonderous device. I simply refuse to pay the difference. I'll happily save my 360 dollars a year. If I want to get on the internet, I have one of 3 laptops or 2 desktops to do so
Hey, no problem! I'm one of the vast majority of iPhone users who couldn't care less what devices you choose to use. More power to you :)
A few links of the media skewing the iPhone as a 4G device. http://hubpages.com/hub/The-NEW-iPhone-4G-Coming-2010 [hubpages.com] http://www.gadgetsdna.com/10-reasons-not-to-buy-next-iphone-4g-hd/2757/
So the best articles to support your nomenclature are two articles from months before the iPhone was announced/released? And which claim Verizon has confirmed they're upgrading their network to support the iPhone. That's silly..
I totally agree re: crappy AT&T reception. I switched from Verizon to get the 3GS (and I would do it again too, FWIW) but I get crappy reception at my house now.
Even though I live in a low reception area, I wouldn't hesitate to get an iPhone 4. Well, I AM hesitating because my contract isn't up until next year. But in any case, a free bumper solves the death grip problem. I have my 3GS in a case and I think everybody else I know with an iPhone has a case too... if I got an iPhone 4 or iPhone 5--whatever is out next year--I'd get a case for it too. So, it really doesn't affect my decision.
IMHO this whole event is really notable as an example of mass Apple-hate! Apple-hate has always been around (and I should know, I loathed Macs in the pre-OSX days) but it seems like Apple is more hated than MSFT now! And of course Apple did handle the issue very poorly at first...
Doesn't seem that way to me. The GP even says that on AT&T low coverage spots are easy to find! As an AT&T customer I totally agree with that.
30 days gives anybody time to try their new phone in a variety of situations. Plus given it's the most publicized phone in the world, nobody is going into this blind. The GP's obvious implication of a bait and switch is false.
People bought the iPhone because it was Apple and they wanted to have a stylish phone. They wanted to look marvelous.
Way to stereotype.
I use my iPhone for work, full use of VPN and intranet apps, exchange access, group calendaring, etc. It works very well for me. As good as a blackberry for business? Perhaps not, but it's pretty close imho.
Let me put it this way--having used both, I don't see any compelling features of the Blackberry that would make me want to get one over an iPhone or an eg Android. Again very much IMHO, but I think RIM is going to be a big loser in the smartphone war. It wouldn't surprise me if Nokia is headed that way too. Maybe Apple is next for all I know...
Bullshit. I am putting my hand on that spot and NOTHING HAPPENS. Problem? No, I don't see it. Maybe some people do, but it's not severe. Certainly doesn't happen to most everyone or there would be TONS of these phones being returned.
But that's been the exact argument about the iPhone4 bug...it only really seems to affect people who both don't have a case and are in poor reception areas. Every iPhone user I know personally has a case, which I would presume would somewhat limit the problem. Many iPhone users (myself included) do also happen to be in poor reception areas unfortunately... The bug also seems to disproportionately affect left-handed people.
If you live in a GOOD reception area with the iPhone4, the death grip might make you not lose even a single bar, as has been demonstrated ad infinitum (go read the Anandtech review if it doesn't make sense).
Judging from Jobs' numbers if they're accurate, not too many people are returning the iPhone4 either.