This is of course the ultimate long term payoff of any manned space flight program. However the actual goal of NASA is research- pure science, not applied science, and man does it ever pay off!
I find it hard to beleve that any 1/2 sentient Slashdot poster would say we don't get anything out of NASA. Just take a look at that thing you are typing on! If it wasn't for NASA it would still take up a 20x20 room and use TUBES instead of microchips. For those of you who doubt how much we get from NASA Please read the damn FAQ.
If I could be sure that all the money would go to NASA I would give my tax break back, plus the "refund" I'm getting in the fall. That should pay for quite a few of the "I don't want you spending my money" folks around here.
But I want one concession- I need a list of all the folks I'm paying for. This way I can make sure that they are not on the recieving end of the payoff at the end. You all die when the comet hits SUCKER!!!!
AOhelL/TW has nothing to fear for a long time in this regard. AT&T was founded around 1910! This means it took our wonderfull Republican dominated government only 80 or so years to figure out they were a bad monopoly and do something about it. The Microsoft anti-trust case has been going on for what, six years now? And it will take another five or so to compleatly conclude, if it is not dropped by the government first.
It dosen't take a rocket scientist to figure out that W. and crew won't do squat to pressure a large business to do anything pro-consumer. That would cost both of them money.
AOL/TW will be making money hand over fist up until the next election, at least, and probobly for years after that while the litigation chuggs through the courts. After which they will open up the market like they should have been required to do in the first place. Of course in the meantime a few extra billions (yes with a B!) won't hurt their stock price.
New? No I've been here a while...
Maybe you misunderstand the nature of rights. Rights are not something that can be granted (as with a law) rights are intrinsic to a person. As in the Bill of Rights I mentioned earlier. Which is a written record of those rights, hence the name.
Yes I have the right to own my intelectual property, limited by copyright. Which means that for a set period I can derive profit from my stuff or assign that profit to another entity. However that entity can only excercise the power I choose to give them, they don't have rights.
Now this power can be quite a force (especally when implemented into law), but I would contend that when this power is used to remove a persons real rights it should be curtailed. This is an instance of that abuse of granted power to stifle competition and limit personal RIGHTS. Legitimacy is a legal fiction. It does not mean they have any power other than what we give them, and certanly not any inherant powers.
Please point out to me where the Constitution or the Bill of Rights (You've heard of these right?) gives MIcro$oft and Time-Warner AOL or any other company/corporation any rights?
The idea here is that an artificial "right"- that of business to make money at the expense of consumers and competetion has been perpetuated on the people of the world by business intrests. It's time we dispelled that myth. Companies have no rights - people do!
The idea behind copyright is that every work of art or science is based on other works which have come before, and that nothing exists in a vacuumm and we need that freedom to expand and grow as a world. Personaly I see Napster and others as a tool for protecting my fair use rights. Rights which the RIAA/MPAA are trying to take away by using bought and paid for legslation like the DMCA as a club.
Don't you just love it when some wannabe Constitutional scholar tells you how the founding fathers thought?
I think the conversation probably went something more like this (and so does the ACLU!):
Madison to Jefferson- "Hey Tom, don't you think that wording is a little vague?"
Jefferson- "Yea, Jim you know it is. But it's that way because I don't have a time machine so I can't predict the future and what the people will want to do 250 years from now."
Madison- "Good point Tom, that's what the Supreme Court is for."
And by the way, yes you do seem biased which does cast doubt on your arguement in the first place. But, by definition, you can't prove a negative.
You might want to read the article before you post a comment. They aren't talking about releasing this into the air. They want to create bioreactors that exist inside the smokestacks of power plants like current scrubber technology. Except these bioreactors scrub the CO2 out of the emissions which is too expensive using current chemical scrubbers.
Also these bacteria aren't generically engineered. They already exist in nature.
"Netware 10"- WTF are you talking about? FYI- The oldest version of Netware (that a window$ box can talk to) is Netware 3.10, the newest is NW5.1
It's not the NetWare that is your problem. It's the administrators. IMIO, even old Netware versions are some of the most stable, reliable, and secure file server operating systems on the market- as long as the administrator knows what's what. The newer (Netware 4.11-.12,5 and 5.1) are almost bullet proof. I administer 2 NW servers supporting about 3000 users, one of which has been in continuous operation for almost 4 years.
Inferring that win2K would be better is a troll (and a very poorly informed one at that...), and suggesting that someone replace what is obviously a file server with a BSD box has to be a joke... BSD and Linux both can be used as file servers but why would you want to? There are other OSs that are much more suited to the task.
Yea, I checked too, after I posted. My bad! That's what I get for listening too closely to acreation theory and not checking my facts.
However I would also contend that this would be only applicable to a limited # of solar systems and ours just happens to be the exception. But we are dealing with theory here, so I may be wrong.
This is not correct. Mercury is the most dense planet in our solar system. The Earth is made up largely of rock which is not that dense when compaired to the inner planets which have more nickel and iron. Go find a good solar astronomy class before try to lecture on the subject next time.
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I find it hard to beleve that any 1/2 sentient Slashdot poster would say we don't get anything out of NASA. Just take a look at that thing you are typing on! If it wasn't for NASA it would still take up a 20x20 room and use TUBES instead of microchips. For those of you who doubt how much we get from NASA Please read the damn FAQ.
If I could be sure that all the money would go to NASA I would give my tax break back, plus the "refund" I'm getting in the fall. That should pay for quite a few of the "I don't want you spending my money" folks around here.
But I want one concession- I need a list of all the folks I'm paying for. This way I can make sure that they are not on the recieving end of the payoff at the end. You all die when the comet hits SUCKER!!!!
It dosen't take a rocket scientist to figure out that W. and crew won't do squat to pressure a large business to do anything pro-consumer. That would cost both of them money.
AOL/TW will be making money hand over fist up until the next election, at least, and probobly for years after that while the litigation chuggs through the courts. After which they will open up the market like they should have been required to do in the first place. Of course in the meantime a few extra billions (yes with a B!) won't hurt their stock price.
... and with my pasty-white geek skin, got so sunburned I couldn't write code today! I'm going to sue!!!
Yes I have the right to own my intelectual property, limited by copyright. Which means that for a set period I can derive profit from my stuff or assign that profit to another entity. However that entity can only excercise the power I choose to give them, they don't have rights.
Now this power can be quite a force (especally when implemented into law), but I would contend that when this power is used to remove a persons real rights it should be curtailed. This is an instance of that abuse of granted power to stifle competition and limit personal RIGHTS. Legitimacy is a legal fiction. It does not mean they have any power other than what we give them, and certanly not any inherant powers.
The idea here is that an artificial "right"- that of business to make money at the expense of consumers and competetion has been perpetuated on the people of the world by business intrests. It's time we dispelled that myth. Companies have no rights - people do!
The idea behind copyright is that every work of art or science is based on other works which have come before, and that nothing exists in a vacuumm and we need that freedom to expand and grow as a world. Personaly I see Napster and others as a tool for protecting my fair use rights. Rights which the RIAA/MPAA are trying to take away by using bought and paid for legslation like the DMCA as a club.
Don't you just love it when some wannabe Constitutional scholar tells you how the founding fathers thought?
I think the conversation probably went something more like this (and so does the ACLU!):
Madison to Jefferson- "Hey Tom, don't you think that wording is a little vague?"
Jefferson- "Yea, Jim you know it is. But it's that way because I don't have a time machine so I can't predict the future and what the people will want to do 250 years from now."
Madison- "Good point Tom, that's what the Supreme Court is for."
And by the way, yes you do seem biased which does cast doubt on your arguement in the first place. But, by definition, you can't prove a negative.
Quickly, I want to see the state's servers scream in pain!
You might want to read the article before you post a comment. They aren't talking about releasing this into the air. They want to create bioreactors that exist inside the smokestacks of power plants like current scrubber technology. Except these bioreactors scrub the CO2 out of the emissions which is too expensive using current chemical scrubbers.
Also these bacteria aren't generically engineered. They already exist in nature.
"Netware 10"- WTF are you talking about? FYI- The oldest version of Netware (that a window$ box can talk to) is Netware 3.10, the newest is NW5.1
It's not the NetWare that is your problem. It's the administrators. IMIO, even old Netware versions are some of the most stable, reliable, and secure file server operating systems on the market- as long as the administrator knows what's what. The newer (Netware 4.11-.12,5 and 5.1) are almost bullet proof. I administer 2 NW servers supporting about 3000 users, one of which has been in continuous operation for almost 4 years.
Inferring that win2K would be better is a troll (and a very poorly informed one at that...), and suggesting that someone replace what is obviously a file server with a BSD box has to be a joke... BSD and Linux both can be used as file servers but why would you want to? There are other OSs that are much more suited to the task.
Yea, I checked too, after I posted. My bad! That's what I get for listening too closely to acreation theory and not checking my facts.
However I would also contend that this would be only applicable to a limited # of solar systems and ours just happens to be the exception. But we are dealing with theory here, so I may be wrong.
>Earth is the most dense planet of our system.
This is not correct. Mercury is the most dense planet in our solar system. The Earth is made up largely of rock which is not that dense when compaired to the inner planets which have more nickel and iron. Go find a good solar astronomy class before try to lecture on the subject next time.
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