A reported did. There were a few votes they counted that the machine didn't but they would have been counted if a manual recount was required. His finding were in line with the machine. He check 3 Countys in FL that have way over 50% Dem reg but went for GW. What they found was that there counts were basicly the same as the machines and nothing major was wrong with the optical scan machines totals.
If you disagree & think that counting votes is like counting pencils and pens, please tell me why there are differences between the counts!!!
That one is easy. A Computer look at a ballet with a circle to fill in and say is it dark or light. Dark +1 Vote. Light goto next circle. People look at it and see a circle around that circle. A computer would never see that idiots vote but a human will say that was his intent.
What stops someone from miscounting. Easy The other 2 People 1 Rep and 1 Dem who is sitting next to you the whole time. Just try not to count a vote someday. Why do the numbers change because the 1% of votes that don't get done right. If all votes were done right then all votes would come out the same. If they are not then there is room for recount issues. 1 Judge says that mark is a vote the other says no it isn't. Maybe on one count it was in one it wasn't. Since tring to figure out the incorrectly failed out votes isn't 100% the same everytime. It makes it imposible to get the same number twice.
Most judge don't want to throw out people votes so they do there best to figure out what the voter was tring to say.
> And to Kenneth Blackwell making sure that heavily Democratic areas of Ohio > don't have enough voting machines? And to the Nevada Republicans shredding > Democratic voter registration forms?
These allegations I had not even *heard* before, despite fairly regular reading of slashdot, which leans rather far to the left on average (check the slashdot poll results from "Who will you vote for") would be sure to discuss any such thing ad nauseam, if there were any real evidence for it at all, or quite likely even if there weren't (as with the Florida minority thing).
Not true in all markets. IIS is only around 20-25% of the market. Appache is around 50%. How many virus come out for IIS verses Appache. Code Red, Nimda, slammer, etc.
More like Microsoft force updates but it is your problem if it break things = bad.
Redhat/debian/mandrake/etc. setting your system to automaticly doing updates without asking if you want it to = bad.
Company who make and takes care of your systems pushs tested updates that should be fine with your hardware because they have tested it 1st and are the ones who will have to go out to your site and fix if something breaks = good.
You have used windows much have. It shows itself differently as other have said. Microsoft products are the worse on this front but other do the same. It installes older version on top of newer version. That cause alot of the fun blue screens that people see.
They do something like that in MD. You sign in and they had right a vote number. It would take effort to attach that number to a human being as the boxes would have to be entered into a database as well as that data. That isn't the same as something like a voter SSN number that you get and can only us in one place and can be attached to how you voted.
I think you are out there alittle. But I can see problems with peoples votes not getting counted because it relies of USPS. You also can't forget how many votes don't get counted because someone forgot to fill in some section of the form. When you show up to vote alot of that it delt with by the fact that you are there and if there is a questions then it get cleared up will you are there at the vote place before you vote.
Then we should thought out the last 6 Elections for certain then. I worked for at the poll in several elections and mistake are common place. We are see them more since 2000 because of all the eyes on the system. But mistakes have happen for years. Can we make a process that is better yes. Was this year better then others. I don't known I have a new job this year and couldn't work the polls. There is no way to be completely correct unless you assign something like a voter ID number to every voter and have a vote assocated with that number but that will never happen so you try and make a system that does the best that can be done. Even paper has problems look at abesettee and how well they get counted.
What if it was a simple database issue. The mainframe database said if field 5 was a 5 then Libertarians but the version on the machine said Democratic. There are several simply but stupid ways to for something like this to happen the fact is the proble was found and fix. The real question is are the items that weren't found and fixed.
It is a glitch maybe not a trivial one but it is a glitch. Why because they were able to get the real number just the automated systems the broke down. There was a way to recount the votes and figure out what they were supose to be. Grated I think there is room for failure in the system but in this case they were able to do a recount and fix the problem. So it can't be called a failure. An if you think the old system didn't make mistakes I have some news for you. I still agree that a paper trail is important and needs added to the next generation of systems.
1) Money isn't anonymous. You have to have a DL to cash a check. You have to prove who you are to open an account. That makes error like the dead voting less likely but not something many americans want to see when voting.
2) Banks make mistakes all the time. Most are cleared up with proper records but there are mistakes that happen.
No the correlation is people with Masters and above that have a tendency to vote for kerry. Extreme poor also have a tendency to vote Dem as well and I would guess they would be on the bottom of the overall avg educational levels.
I agree with disable ntlm but if you require your users to use 15+ character password I will bet you money it gets write down on a post-it note or some pice of paper and put somewhere at there desk.
What bible are you reading from. The one I read from talked about how he stured up trouble by turning over the money changes (politcal statement). He went and eat with the tax collectors again a very politcal thing in it day. Were do you get off thinking that Jesus didn't get into politics at all. As abortion didn't exist then it is unlikely he would have said much about it. As for homosexuality he spoke out about it. He also talked about other sin's that most people don't seem to care about anymore. Just because it suits some people needs to think he didn't get into politics doesn't make it the truth.
Not all polls measure likely voters and many that do include likely voters also include the numbers without.
* Democraphic errors
Althought it might become more and more of a problem young people also don't tend to vote. I think this will start to make more of a diffence in a few years if the current trends continues.
* sample errors * Incumbent always looks better in the polls
No Comment I haven't followed them down. I rember in 2000 they broken it down and took the numbers into 10 Different way to tring an quess how it will turn out. I can't rember how accurate they were compare to the real numbers.
I follow that site alot. The prediction is about a day out of date from what I can tell. Yesterday it had kerry ahead on the main page. That is my guess. I would suspect that tommorow it will be updated with todays data. He runs nightly scripts to generate the map might have made a mistake in the design that is a new map only be around for a week or so.
Upgrading IE cost about $800.00 Right now. My laptop can't run XP it wouldn't even install. I have Windows 98se on it. If I want to upgrade IE using microsofts software to do things like block popups I have to upgrade to XP. So that upgrade will cost me at least $800.00.
Not in my world. Most of the people I deal with that are pro-Kerry are idiots. Some are so dumb I thing could qualify for SSI from being so dumb. Granted there are idots on both sides. I think the breakdown is rich and poor = demcrates. Middle class = bush. Look at the states and prove me wrong.
AMD64 I blieve is only under testing/unstable and there isn't a stable version. That is why it isn't complete. Once testing becomes stable it should be complete by then.
Exim 3 is being maintained by debian developers for up to date security. It wont get new features and support for setting up a new system if you need help as no one outside of debian list will be of much help with exim 3 now but it will still be secure.
As for horde I agree you either have to use a very old version of use a backport that will install updates that could make the system less stable also programs link clamav are stuck with really old version and make the program usless in stable that is why I do use the backport for it. Area like AV and spam filters are the bigest problem in my option and need a better way to handle in debian.
I have down several installs with the new installer and had only one problem during it. I aborted out rebooted and started over and that time went though fine. I also tend to just install the min. and go back in with aptitude and install all my packages then but nothing say I can't due it during the install.
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A reported did. There were a few votes they counted that the machine didn't but they would have been counted if a manual recount was required. His finding were in line with the machine. He check 3 Countys in FL that have way over 50% Dem reg but went for GW. What they found was that there counts were basicly the same as the machines and nothing major was wrong with the optical scan machines totals.
That one is easy. A Computer look at a ballet with a circle to fill in and say is it dark or light. Dark +1 Vote. Light goto next circle. People look at it and see a circle around that circle. A computer would never see that idiots vote but a human will say that was his intent.
What stops someone from miscounting. Easy The other 2 People 1 Rep and 1 Dem who is sitting next to you the whole time. Just try not to count a vote someday. Why do the numbers change because the 1% of votes that don't get done right. If all votes were done right then all votes would come out the same. If they are not then there is room for recount issues. 1 Judge says that mark is a vote the other says no it isn't. Maybe on one count it was in one it wasn't. Since tring to figure out the incorrectly failed out votes isn't 100% the same everytime. It makes it imposible to get the same number twice.
Most judge don't want to throw out people votes so they do there best to figure out what the voter was tring to say.
It was there. There were at least 2 That I saw.
Point to orignal artical.
http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/10
Not true in all markets. IIS is only around 20-25% of the market. Appache is around 50%. How many virus come out for IIS verses Appache. Code Red, Nimda, slammer, etc.
That is why I still use moozilla. I want that option. Foxfire was 1 10th the speed of mozilla on my machine because of that load aspect.
More like Microsoft force updates but it is your problem if it break things = bad.
Redhat/debian/mandrake/etc. setting your system to automaticly doing updates without asking if you want it to = bad.
Company who make and takes care of your systems pushs tested updates that should be fine with your hardware because they have tested it 1st and are the ones who will have to go out to your site and fix if something breaks = good.
You have used windows much have. It shows itself differently as other have said. Microsoft products are the worse on this front but other do the same. It installes older version on top of newer version. That cause alot of the fun blue screens that people see.
They do something like that in MD. You sign in and they had right a vote number. It would take effort to attach that number to a human being as the boxes would have to be entered into a database as well as that data. That isn't the same as something like a voter SSN number that you get and can only us in one place and can be attached to how you voted.
Or Republicans won more elections overall so that had the highest % of having a problem.
I think you are out there alittle. But I can see problems with peoples votes not getting counted because it relies of USPS. You also can't forget how many votes don't get counted because someone forgot to fill in some section of the form. When you show up to vote alot of that it delt with by the fact that you are there and if there is a questions then it get cleared up will you are there at the vote place before you vote.
Then we should thought out the last 6 Elections for certain then. I worked for at the poll in several elections and mistake are common place. We are see them more since 2000 because of all the eyes on the system. But mistakes have happen for years. Can we make a process that is better yes. Was this year better then others. I don't known I have a new job this year and couldn't work the polls. There is no way to be completely correct unless you assign something like a voter ID number to every voter and have a vote assocated with that number but that will never happen so you try and make a system that does the best that can be done. Even paper has problems look at abesettee and how well they get counted.
What if it was a simple database issue. The mainframe database said if field 5 was a 5 then Libertarians but the version on the machine said Democratic. There are several simply but stupid ways to for something like this to happen the fact is the proble was found and fix. The real question is are the items that weren't found and fixed.
It is a glitch maybe not a trivial one but it is a glitch. Why because they were able to get the real number just the automated systems the broke down. There was a way to recount the votes and figure out what they were supose to be. Grated I think there is room for failure in the system but in this case they were able to do a recount and fix the problem. So it can't be called a failure. An if you think the old system didn't make mistakes I have some news for you. I still agree that a paper trail is important and needs added to the next generation of systems.
2 Reasons.
1) Money isn't anonymous. You have to have a DL to cash a check. You have to prove who you are to open an account. That makes error like the dead voting less likely but not something many americans want to see when voting.
2) Banks make mistakes all the time. Most are cleared up with proper records but there are mistakes that happen.
You have never worked the polls have you. Problems like these have alwas happened. If anything the seem to be reducing not increasing.
No the correlation is people with Masters and above that have a tendency to vote for kerry. Extreme poor also have a tendency to vote Dem as well and I would guess they would be on the bottom of the overall avg educational levels.
I agree with disable ntlm but if you require your users to use 15+ character password I will bet you money it gets write down on a post-it note or some pice of paper and put somewhere at there desk.
What bible are you reading from. The one I read from talked about how he stured up trouble by turning over the money changes (politcal statement). He went and eat with the tax collectors again a very politcal thing in it day. Were do you get off thinking that Jesus didn't get into politics at all. As abortion didn't exist then it is unlikely he would have said much about it. As for homosexuality he spoke out about it. He also talked about other sin's that most people don't seem to care about anymore. Just because it suits some people needs to think he didn't get into politics doesn't make it the truth.
* The polls measure "likely voters"
Not all polls measure likely voters and many that do include likely voters also include the numbers without.
* Democraphic errors
Althought it might become more and more of a problem young people also don't tend to vote. I think this will start to make more of a diffence in a few years if the current trends continues.
* sample errors
* Incumbent always looks better in the polls
No Comment I haven't followed them down. I rember in 2000 they broken it down and took the numbers into 10 Different way to tring an quess how it will turn out. I can't rember how accurate they were compare to the real numbers.
I follow that site alot. The prediction is about a day out of date from what I can tell. Yesterday it had kerry ahead on the main page. That is my guess. I would suspect that tommorow it will be updated with todays data. He runs nightly scripts to generate the map might have made a mistake in the design that is a new map only be around for a week or so.
Upgrading IE cost about $800.00 Right now. My laptop can't run XP it wouldn't even install. I have Windows 98se on it. If I want to upgrade IE using microsofts software to do things like block popups I have to upgrade to XP. So that upgrade will cost me at least $800.00.
Not in my world. Most of the people I deal with that are pro-Kerry are idiots. Some are so dumb I thing could qualify for SSI from being so dumb. Granted there are idots on both sides. I think the breakdown is rich and poor = demcrates. Middle class = bush. Look at the states and prove me wrong.
AMD64 I blieve is only under testing/unstable and there isn't a stable version. That is why it isn't complete. Once testing becomes stable it should be complete by then.
Exim 3 is being maintained by debian developers for up to date security. It wont get new features and support for setting up a new system if you need help as no one outside of debian list will be of much help with exim 3 now but it will still be secure.
As for horde I agree you either have to use a very old version of use a backport that will install updates that could make the system less stable also programs link clamav are stuck with really old version and make the program usless in stable that is why I do use the backport for it. Area like AV and spam filters are the bigest problem in my option and need a better way to handle in debian.
I have down several installs with the new installer and had only one problem during it. I aborted out rebooted and started over and that time went though fine. I also tend to just install the min. and go back in with aptitude and install all my packages then but nothing say I can't due it during the install.