I took a look at the Philly newspaper web sites, KDKA website and some Philly bloggers. No report of such a thing. Therefore, I put this in the urban legend category.
Several. Of course these are MY reasons and may not be your reasons, but I don't have to justify my reasons - but am sharing them since you asked.
> She advocates surrendering to the Islamic terrorists (though I think she would look great in a Burka).
When did she say that? One real quote.
> She opposes fighting them in Iraq,
One problem, terrorists weren't there before we invaded.
> she opposes fighting them here in the US by intercepting their phone calls.
If you're so ***damn sure they're terrorists being listened to, why not GET THE WARRANTS?
> She wants to make it illegal (again) for the CIA to warn a local sheriff about a terrorist cell operating in her neighborhood.
Again, a quote would be nice. Democrats wanted the CIA & FBI included in homeland security - that was Republicans that excluded them.
> She thinks partial-birth abortions (head in, body out, totally viable child - that's why they keep the head in - never medically necessary - just pop the head out!) should be funded by the taxpayers.
Scare tactics - can you say with absolute assurance that there is NEVER a medical reason for the procedure?
> She supports judges and policies that support the Kelo decision that allows a corporation to bribe a government into siezing your house.
And Dennis Hastert doesn't?
She marches in parades side by side with NAMBLA members (you know - the 'eight is too late' crowd - at least Foley was messing with guys over the age of consent).
> Is there a picture? She was actively supporting them? Or was it a parade where she was marching in support of another group and NAMBLA could not legally be excluded (you know, that damn Bill of Rights the Republicans are trying to get rid of)?
She thinks I exist to provide tax revenue that she can confiscate and hand out to the unproductive and underserving.
> Whereas Republicans think you exist to borrow money from the Chinese to confiscate and hand over to the unproductive and undeserving.
She opposes letting poor people have the same choice in education that rich people do for their young children.
> So felons can teach them like in Texas where Bush came from?
She thinks someone should get to cut ahead of others more or equally able because they happen to have a certain sex or skin color - regardless of whether they or their ancestors ever experienced any repression in the US.
> Whereas Republicans elect people like Bush, who has never accomplished anything in his life except getting elected (and having a rich grandfather & father).
She thinks the people who murdered a bunch of unarmed women and children in Waco, TX should be able to have guns but that I, who have committed no crime, should not have a gun to defend myself.
> Waco? You're claiming they were unarmed? Really?
Claim #1 (Love Canal) - lie. Thoroughly debunked. Gave the claim to a schoolgirl in Tennessee.
Claim #2 (Love Story) - lie. Thoroughly debunked. Al & Tommy Lee Jones were inspirations for the male character, but Al never made that claim - it came from a screwed-up quote from the author himself, who vaily tried to correct it. No luck with buffoons like you.
If anyone's to blame (besides Bush himself) for Bush's screwups, it's people like you who, five years later, are still spreading COMPLETE LIES.
Media outlets ignored the Swift Boat vets? What universe were you in this summer? I saw the damn ads multiple times and don't live anywhere they were shown.
However,
Every single charge the Swift Boat Veterans brought against Kerry were disproved.
*Every* *single* *one*.
All by multiple sources, including previous statements by some of his accusers.
The 'liberal' press mentioned a few, but they were way too little, way too late.
The fraudulent memos have been shown to accurately reflect the supposed author's thoughts at the time. This has been backed up by multiple sources. 60 Minutes didn't even need them.
Bush got into the TANG despite a 500-person waiting list, the lowest possible score on the aptitude test and no relevant experience. Also, the person who interceded for him has come forward and admitted his role. The memos had NOTHING to do with him.
The Air Force and/or TANG have released documents stating that Bush was ordered to take a flight physical and that his flying priveleges were revoked when he refused. Those are documented, undisputed FACTS.
Are you trying to claim that military personnel can refuse orders because they're 'uncomfortable' or 'make no sense'?
No, Bush has never denied that he didn't take the physical. BUT he has never explained why he didn't, and he has never explained why he was not punished for it.
I would like Bush to explain to a National Guard pilot currently serving in Iraq, or in line to go to Iraq, why he can't simply quit the way he, Bush, did.
FYI, the highest tax rate in the US is currently 36% (down from 39.5%). So you're saying the max rate should be raised by 14% (or about a third in real terms).
Paula Jones tax returns: if a friend leaked them, how did it even involve the IRS?
Linda Tripp employment file/arrest: Completely muddled. Her leaked employment file would not have contained information about the arrest BECAUSE SHE LIED and didn't disclose the arrest(illegally; it's against the law to lie about criminal history on clearance requests).
Willey correspondence: Don't know anything about that, but Starr and his successor concluded that Willey was not a reliable witness anyway.
And Starr/Ray spend millions investigating Filegate. Last I checked, they weren't Democrats.
Interesting point about the batch stuff. My last job worked with a system that not only was updated nightly via batch, but we had to reload all of the data for the month since previously recorded events might have been corrected, and there was **no way** (decreed by the experts) to identify them (there really wasn't, which was sad & disturbing). They never went into how to correct events around end-of-month. Really stupid setup and indicative of the mainframe mentality.
Second, the state of Florida settled a lawsuit with the Civil Rights Commission concerning this matter. Also see Greg Palast's and Jeffrey Toobin's books on the subject.
Third - the first recount was not even done in many places. The next one was never completed.
Fourth - Bush didn't file any lawsuits himself? How did he get appointed? Bush file the first lawsuit, and also took it into the federal system. That was BUSH, not GORE.
Fifth, the Supreme Court did not decide anything involving the Florida court's interpretation of Florida law. Federal courts can rule on the constitutionality of state laws, but not their interpretation. The Supreme Court ruled that some peoples equal protection rights may be violated by having different counties apply different rules... but for the Florida court to set a single standard would be violating state rule. Catch-22! Gotcha! Please also note that the Supreme Court explicitly ruled that their decision could not be used as precedence, completely destroying the foundation of American jurisprudence.
Sixth, all of those counts showed GORE would have won. Please look at the actual results, not the paper headlines. I think there was one wierd scenario where Bush would have won. All others had Gore winning.
Flaws in a treay do not mean you must throw it away. You fix the flaws. The Bushies haven't come up with an alternative, have they? And the other 100+ countries involved did sign it. Are they all idiots?
Everyone pays taxes. Not everyone pays income taxes. Bush's tax cut means the the Social Security taxes, which everyone pays, will be used in the general budget. That is the opposite effect of taking from the rich to give to the poor, it is taking money from the poor to pay for tax cuts to the rich.
I got oursourced to Andersen Consulting (now Accenture), and they had the group philosophy. They took the old cafeteria & made it a huge open area with cubicle walls surrounding 6-8 desks. The noise level was horrendous - they finally took a bunch of beach umbrellas & hung them from the ceiling to absorb sound. They also had a lot of seminars on (non-)cubicle manners. Pretty bizarre.
Interesting. Al Gore *was* getting reamed, but not for anything that it was proven he actually did. All the stories and charges were lies. ALL of them.
Fox neutral? Don't make me laugh. No rational human can actually believe that.
There were three reasons that Nixon conceded in 1960: (1) Winning Illinois would not have made Nixon the winner anyway (2) Republicans did not want examination of Republican-led voter fraud in southern Illinois and (3) so he could secretly look into contesting the election after the concession.
Last two may not be true, I have read it in at least two accounts, one of which I trust a good deal.
There is really no comparison between 1960 and 2000.
Gore requested a hand recount, which has not been completed.
Gore is contesting the certification. This is perfectly legal; in fact both the Secretary of State and Bush explicitly stated that the reason for not changing the certification date was to allow time for challenges. Then, surprise, Bush said the election's over, forget that stuff about challenges, let's get this over with.
If Bush had not kept throwing obstacles in front of the counting process, it would be over. Don't blame Gore for Bush's trying to run out the clock.
Why is it that Reagan won the Cold War and was responsible for our current economy, but Clinton was just in the right place at the right time? What did Reagan do that wasn't just due to his being there?
Clinton did one thing right: he appointed economic advisors (Greenspan etc) who were not Democrats but who demonstrated clear ability in their fields.
George W, on the other hand, has already selected a loyal family hack to run the Treasury. Don't remember the details, but he didn't sound too impressive.
He would not have gotten into the colleges he did on grades alone.
He got into the Air National Guard when there was a four-year waiting list, got assigned to learn to fly a plane the Air Force was phasing out (thus guaranteeing he would never go to Vietnam or anywhere else), immediately took a three-month leave, got himself assigned to an Alabama base that had no planes, lost his flying privileges by refusing to take his physical. There is still a year where no one knows where he was.
His first business would have failed if a family friend had not bought it for more than it was worth in order to get a Bush on the board.
A family friend loaned him the money to buy into the Rangers, who shot up in value because Bush convinced the city of Arlington to give the Rangers a stadium (plus the land where the old stadium was). Even then, he only became a multimillionaire because the owners voted him an addional 10% of the team (to go with the 1% he had purchased) as a bonus. It was 10 times larger than any other bonus.
Gore's sister was one of the original employess of the Peace Corps. He never said she went overseas, that was added later to claim it was a 'lie'.
Gore made a speech at an elementary school where he credited a letter by an elementary school student for uncovering a polluted site in Tennessee. During investigation of that, the Love Canal mess was discovered. He never claimed credit for it - the point of the speech was "you can make a difference too - look at what this kid did".
Campaign fundraising - there have been two accusations, one that he made calls from his office and one about the Buddhist temple. There is ample evidence that the event at the Buddhist temple was not an official fundraiser; anything done behind the scenes he was not involved in. As for the other, why is it legal to make calls from an office using a cellphone, but not a landline phone? It's just idiotic.
Don't know about the other two (tobacco & pollutions), but based on your other statments, I wouldn't put too much weight on them.
Al Gore Sr did in fact vote against the Civil Rights act, but afterwards repudiated that vote, saying it was the most shameful thing he had ever done. That repudiation cost him his next election.
And personally, I'd hate to be held responsible for anything my family did. I've never heard of an Uncle Whit, but unless Al Jr. was involved in his criminal activity, there is no connection between the two.
What suspicious procedures? Most counties used more stringent procedures than Bush himself approved in Texas. There were monitors from both parties present. I've heard about 'piles of affidavits' but never heard of anyone actually seeing them.
There were 15,000 TOTAL votes disqualified (undercount and overcount) in 1996.
There were (I believe) about 30,000 TOTAL votes disqualified in 2000 (19,000+ overcount, 10,000+ undercount). This is a statistically significant difference.
It's usually better if you know which numbers people are quoting, instead of just blindly accepting them.
That's funny, I'm working in Corba as we speak and I'm throwing exceptions all over the place. Corba provides mapping of some kind non-exception languages (how I don't know, I've only used C++).
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I took a look at the Philly newspaper web sites, KDKA website and some Philly bloggers. No report of such a thing. Therefore, I put this in the urban legend category.
Research. It's a wonderful thing.
Several. Of course these are MY reasons and may not be your reasons, but I don't have to justify my reasons - but am sharing them since you asked.
> She advocates surrendering to the Islamic terrorists (though I think she would look great in a Burka).
When did she say that? One real quote.
> She opposes fighting them in Iraq,
One problem, terrorists weren't there before we invaded.
> she opposes fighting them here in the US by intercepting their phone calls.
If you're so ***damn sure they're terrorists being listened to, why not GET THE WARRANTS?
> She wants to make it illegal (again) for the CIA to warn a local sheriff about a terrorist cell operating in her neighborhood.
Again, a quote would be nice. Democrats wanted the CIA & FBI included in homeland security - that was Republicans that excluded them.
> She thinks partial-birth abortions (head in, body out, totally viable child - that's why they keep the head in - never medically necessary - just pop the head out!) should be funded by the taxpayers.
Scare tactics - can you say with absolute assurance that there is NEVER a medical reason for the procedure?
> She supports judges and policies that support the Kelo decision that allows a corporation to bribe a government into siezing your house.
And Dennis Hastert doesn't?
She marches in parades side by side with NAMBLA members (you know - the 'eight is too late' crowd - at least Foley was messing with guys over the age of consent).
> Is there a picture? She was actively supporting them? Or was it a parade where she was marching in support of another group and NAMBLA could not legally be excluded (you know, that damn Bill of Rights the Republicans are trying to get rid of)?
She thinks I exist to provide tax revenue that she can confiscate and hand out to the unproductive and underserving.
> Whereas Republicans think you exist to borrow money from the Chinese to confiscate and hand over to the unproductive and undeserving.
She opposes letting poor people have the same choice in education that rich people do for their young children.
> So felons can teach them like in Texas where Bush came from?
She thinks someone should get to cut ahead of others more or equally able because they happen to have a certain sex or skin color - regardless of whether they or their ancestors ever experienced any repression in the US.
> Whereas Republicans elect people like Bush, who has never accomplished anything in his life except getting elected (and having a rich grandfather & father).
She thinks the people who murdered a bunch of unarmed women and children in Waco, TX should be able to have guns but that I, who have committed no crime, should not have a gun to defend myself.
> Waco? You're claiming they were unarmed? Really?
Shall I continue?
Claim #1 (Love Canal) - lie. Thoroughly debunked. Gave the claim to a schoolgirl in Tennessee.
Claim #2 (Love Story) - lie. Thoroughly debunked. Al & Tommy Lee Jones were inspirations for the male character, but Al never made that claim - it came from a screwed-up quote from the author himself, who vaily tried to correct it. No luck with buffoons like you.
If anyone's to blame (besides Bush himself) for Bush's screwups, it's people like you who, five years later, are still spreading COMPLETE LIES.
Media outlets ignored the Swift Boat vets? What universe were you in this summer? I saw the damn ads multiple times and don't live anywhere they were shown.
However,
Every single charge the Swift Boat Veterans brought against Kerry were disproved.
*Every* *single* *one*.
All by multiple sources, including previous statements by some of his accusers.
The 'liberal' press mentioned a few, but they were way too little, way too late.
The fraudulent memos have been shown to accurately reflect the supposed author's thoughts at the time. This has been backed up by multiple sources. 60 Minutes didn't even need them.
Ignorance, thy name is... you.
Bush got into the TANG despite a 500-person waiting list, the lowest possible score on the aptitude test and no relevant experience. Also, the person who interceded for him has come forward and admitted his role. The memos had NOTHING to do with him.
The Air Force and/or TANG have released documents stating that Bush was ordered to take a flight physical and that his flying priveleges were revoked when he refused. Those are documented, undisputed FACTS.
Are you trying to claim that military personnel can refuse orders because they're 'uncomfortable' or 'make no sense'?
No, Bush has never denied that he didn't take the physical. BUT he has never explained why he didn't, and he has never explained why he was not punished for it.
I would like Bush to explain to a National Guard pilot currently serving in Iraq, or in line to go to Iraq, why he can't simply quit the way he, Bush, did.
And he did quit, by the way. That is also a fact.
FYI, the highest tax rate in the US is currently 36% (down from 39.5%). So you're saying the max rate should be raised by 14% (or about a third in real terms).
As a human I have fundamental disagreement with Christians who call any science they disagree with 'a philosophy'.
You seem to have so little faith in your God that you cannot believe what is observable and repeatable.
Re: the newsmax story:
Paula Jones tax returns: if a friend leaked them, how did it even involve the IRS?
Linda Tripp employment file/arrest: Completely muddled. Her leaked employment file would not have contained information about the arrest BECAUSE SHE LIED and didn't disclose the arrest(illegally; it's against the law to lie about criminal history on clearance requests).
Willey correspondence: Don't know anything about that, but Starr and his successor concluded that Willey was not a reliable witness anyway.
And Starr/Ray spend millions investigating Filegate. Last I checked, they weren't Democrats.
Facts, people. They're wonderful things.
Interesting point about the batch stuff. My last job worked with a system that not only was updated nightly via batch, but we had to reload all of the data for the month since previously recorded events might have been corrected, and there was **no way** (decreed by the experts) to identify them (there really wasn't, which was sad & disturbing). They never went into how to correct events around end-of-month. Really stupid setup and indicative of the mainframe mentality.
First...
Second, the state of Florida settled a lawsuit with the Civil Rights Commission concerning this matter. Also see Greg Palast's and Jeffrey Toobin's books on the subject.
Third - the first recount was not even done in many places. The next one was never completed.
Fourth - Bush didn't file any lawsuits himself? How did he get appointed? Bush file the first lawsuit, and also took it into the federal system. That was BUSH, not GORE.
Fifth, the Supreme Court did not decide anything involving the Florida court's interpretation of Florida law. Federal courts can rule on the constitutionality of state laws, but not their interpretation. The Supreme Court ruled that some peoples equal protection rights may be violated by having different counties apply different rules... but for the Florida court to set a single standard would be violating state rule. Catch-22! Gotcha! Please also note that the Supreme Court explicitly ruled that their decision could not be used as precedence, completely destroying the foundation of American jurisprudence.
Sixth, all of those counts showed GORE would have won. Please look at the actual results, not the paper headlines. I think there was one wierd scenario where Bush would have won. All others had Gore winning.
Please use facts, not whining and invective.
Flaws in a treay do not mean you must throw it away. You fix the flaws. The Bushies haven't come up with an alternative, have they? And the other 100+ countries involved did sign it. Are they all idiots?
Everyone pays taxes. Not everyone pays income taxes. Bush's tax cut means the the Social Security taxes, which everyone pays, will be used in the general budget. That is the opposite effect of taking from the rich to give to the poor, it is taking money from the poor to pay for tax cuts to the rich.
I got oursourced to Andersen Consulting (now Accenture), and they had the group philosophy. They took the old cafeteria & made it a huge open area with cubicle walls surrounding 6-8 desks. The noise level was horrendous - they finally took a bunch of beach umbrellas & hung them from the ceiling to absorb sound. They also had a lot of seminars on (non-)cubicle manners. Pretty bizarre.
Interesting. Al Gore *was* getting reamed, but not for anything that it was proven he actually did. All the stories and charges were lies. ALL of them.
Fox neutral? Don't make me laugh. No rational human can actually believe that.
There were three reasons that Nixon conceded in 1960: (1) Winning Illinois would not have made Nixon the winner anyway (2) Republicans did not want examination of Republican-led voter fraud in southern Illinois and (3) so he could secretly look into contesting the election after the concession.
Last two may not be true, I have read it in at least two accounts, one of which I trust a good deal.
There is really no comparison between 1960 and 2000.
There was no machine recount Election night.
Bush did win the second machine recount.
Gore requested a hand recount, which has not been completed.
Gore is contesting the certification. This is perfectly legal; in fact both the Secretary of State and Bush explicitly stated that the reason for not changing the certification date was to allow time for challenges. Then, surprise, Bush said the election's over, forget that stuff about challenges, let's get this over with.
If Bush had not kept throwing obstacles in front of the counting process, it would be over. Don't blame Gore for Bush's trying to run out the clock.
And where did Bush cop to using drugs? The only statements he made were masterpieces of nothingness.
Why is it that Reagan won the Cold War and was responsible for our current economy, but Clinton was just in the right place at the right time? What did Reagan do that wasn't just due to his being there?
Clinton did one thing right: he appointed economic advisors (Greenspan etc) who were not Democrats but who demonstrated clear ability in their fields.
George W, on the other hand, has already selected a loyal family hack to run the Treasury. Don't remember the details, but he didn't sound too impressive.
How does History speak kindly of George W. Bush?
What has he earned?
He would not have gotten into the colleges he did on grades alone.
He got into the Air National Guard when there was a four-year waiting list, got assigned to learn to fly a plane the Air Force was phasing out (thus guaranteeing he would never go to Vietnam or anywhere else), immediately took a three-month leave, got himself assigned to an Alabama base that had no planes, lost his flying privileges by refusing to take his physical. There is still a year where no one knows where he was.
His first business would have failed if a family friend had not bought it for more than it was worth in order to get a Bush on the board.
A family friend loaned him the money to buy into the Rangers, who shot up in value because Bush convinced the city of Arlington to give the Rangers a stadium (plus the land where the old stadium was). Even then, he only became a multimillionaire because the owners voted him an addional 10% of the team (to go with the 1% he had purchased) as a bonus. It was 10 times larger than any other bonus.
Use these FACTS when evaluating Bush.
Gore's sister was one of the original employess of the Peace Corps. He never said she went overseas, that was added later to claim it was a 'lie'.
Gore made a speech at an elementary school where he credited a letter by an elementary school student for uncovering a polluted site in Tennessee. During investigation of that, the Love Canal mess was discovered. He never claimed credit for it - the point of the speech was "you can make a difference too - look at what this kid did".
Campaign fundraising - there have been two accusations, one that he made calls from his office and one about the Buddhist temple. There is ample evidence that the event at the Buddhist temple was not an official fundraiser; anything done behind the scenes he was not involved in. As for the other, why is it legal to make calls from an office using a cellphone, but not a landline phone? It's just idiotic.
Don't know about the other two (tobacco & pollutions), but based on your other statments, I wouldn't put too much weight on them.
I don't think Bush is an idiot.
I do think he is LAZY and indifferent.
He likes meeting people and is very good at remembering names and circumstances under which he met someone, but doesn't give a damn where Bosnia is.
In electing him, we're electing his advisors, not him. Remember how well the economy did under those folks.
Check the facts, dude.
Al Gore Sr did in fact vote against the Civil Rights act, but afterwards repudiated that vote, saying it was the most shameful thing he had ever done. That repudiation cost him his next election.
And personally, I'd hate to be held responsible for anything my family did. I've never heard of an Uncle Whit, but unless Al Jr. was involved in his criminal activity, there is no connection between the two.
What suspicious procedures? Most counties used more stringent procedures than Bush himself approved in Texas. There were monitors from both parties present. I've heard about 'piles of affidavits' but never heard of anyone actually seeing them.
Also, the hand recounts were not finished.
Please elucidate. Until then, you're the loser.
There were 15,000 TOTAL votes disqualified (undercount and overcount) in 1996.
There were (I believe) about 30,000 TOTAL votes disqualified in 2000 (19,000+ overcount, 10,000+ undercount). This is a statistically significant difference.
It's usually better if you know which numbers people are quoting, instead of just blindly accepting them.
That's funny, I'm working in Corba as we speak and I'm throwing exceptions all over the place. Corba provides mapping of some kind non-exception languages (how I don't know, I've only used C++).