Qt has more problems than just C++. The problem is its own bastardized templates and the moc compiler. To be honest I prefer the gtkmm API.
Speaking from experience, you can work around the MoC. Yes, the MoC sucks and Trolltech engineers are idiots to deny that, but with a bit of cleverness you can make the MoC vanish and all be dynamic as it should have been in the first place. This wart does not begin to outweigh the fundamental advantages of the QT object model.
I agree with him, however, that Linux just doesn't work as a day-to-day end-user platform anymore.
Great, you go off and circle jerk with Miguel. I will continue using this day-to-day end-user platform which is - oh my - Linux. And works a lot better than Windows, which I had the misfortune to get stuck using for a few weeks a while back. Don't you just love the way Windows likes to rearrange your desktop when it comes out of suspend? Maybe not in every install, but certainly in mine. Just one of countless little stupidities that on the whole make Windows much less usable than a modern Linux desktop.
Eh, that's not true. Microsoft has always underpinned its racket with secret contracts with OEMs. That is as true today as it ever was. And Microsoft is just as evil as it ever was, the only difference is, the forces arrayed against it have grown stronger.
Because they needed to pick one single issue and carry it through to completion in a way that leaves no doubt in Ballmer's mind what what will happen when the next issue is raised. It never really mattered which issue, just that the facts be black and white.
I disagree. Miguel is an ass and as a community we're happy to see his sorry backside receding in the distance. Hate away, I won't think worse of you. Quite the contrary.
The Gnome project was a disaster from beginning to end. It accomplished exactly one useful thing: Trolltech was forced to GPL QT. At that point, Gnome should have been promptly shut down, having accomplished its purpose, and Linux on the desktop would be much further advanced than it is. But instead we have this crippled zombie thing that shambles on and on. Somebody put a stake in its heart or something please.
I really don't have the technical knowledge to praise or damn the idea, but as I understand it, there are some clever moves in this;
It appears that they rip out enough of Android that they can use the Android graphic drivers for Mir, so that every device with android drivers delivers "free" drivers for Mir too. That would give them a huge advantage in the Smartphone and Tablet arena.
QtMir, QtUbuntu, Qt/QML; it looks like Ubuntu dumps Gnome/GTK in favour of Qt5 for core OS (GUI) development. As I see it they will clone KDE/Qt, substituting the KDE parts with QtUbuntu.
Their time line seems very optimistic though.
+2 for your analysis. Piggybacking on Android drivers will be a huge advantage, however the "sweat" part of the inspiration seems to be hugely underestimated. And as a poster below pointed it, if it doesn't have network transparency at the protocol level I don't give a damn about it and will stick with X.
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cue the clueless who don't understand that Android is really a hacked Linux - yes, hacked, like it was meant to be.
Indeed, and very lightly hacked at that. Mostly in tasteless ways, for what it's worth.
I never believed it, I was simply pointing out that publicly, cook said this, and now he is going in the opposite direction.
The inescapable conclusion is that Tim Cook is an ass as well as a clown.
It was actually recursive sarcasm.
Abomination! Throw all the scientists down the well. ....Note the sarcasm tags.
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The companies worth working for usually have better HR.
What makes you think that?
With the rise of Android, iOS and OSX, Microsoft has become the new underdog.
The evil, destructive, rich underdog. Underdog isn't good enough, Microsoft needs to be completely exterminated for the good of humanity.
Qt has more problems than just C++. The problem is its own bastardized templates and the moc compiler. To be honest I prefer the gtkmm API.
Speaking from experience, you can work around the MoC. Yes, the MoC sucks and Trolltech engineers are idiots to deny that, but with a bit of cleverness you can make the MoC vanish and all be dynamic as it should have been in the first place. This wart does not begin to outweigh the fundamental advantages of the QT object model.
Richard Stallman in this case is making an over reach to say Migual betrayed open source software.
If you know him (as I do) you too would know that Miguel is in fact a mercenary and a betrayer.
His wife likely simply demands to be kept in a style that requires Migual becomes a marketing tool for whom ever pays him the most.
Miguel always was a little "small".
Short summary of the whole Miguel de Icaza afair: Gnome is so bad that even he won't use it.
I agree with him, however, that Linux just doesn't work as a day-to-day end-user platform anymore.
Great, you go off and circle jerk with Miguel. I will continue using this day-to-day end-user platform which is - oh my - Linux. And works a lot better than Windows, which I had the misfortune to get stuck using for a few weeks a while back. Don't you just love the way Windows likes to rearrange your desktop when it comes out of suspend? Maybe not in every install, but certainly in mine. Just one of countless little stupidities that on the whole make Windows much less usable than a modern Linux desktop.
Microsoft is no longer the monopoly it once was.
Eh, that's not true. Microsoft has always underpinned its racket with secret contracts with OEMs. That is as true today as it ever was. And Microsoft is just as evil as it ever was, the only difference is, the forces arrayed against it have grown stronger.
Because they needed to pick one single issue and carry it through to completion in a way that leaves no doubt in Ballmer's mind what what will happen when the next issue is raised. It never really mattered which issue, just that the facts be black and white.
Breaching a contract is breaking the law. Anyway, a judge's order is not a contract.
Even as a Microsoft hater of old, I'm beginning to feel sorry for MS.
You'll get over it. Meanwhile, somebody shot a puppy. Feel sorry for the puppy.
What's worse is that this "crippled zombie thing" actually seems to have a lot more users than KDE...
And Windows has even more. That doesn't mean it's right.
No need to hate on De Icaza.
I disagree. Miguel is an ass and as a community we're happy to see his sorry backside receding in the distance. Hate away, I won't think worse of you. Quite the contrary.
His wife likely simply demands to be kept in a style that requires Migual becomes a marketing tool for whom ever pays him the most.
Miguel always was a little "small".
The Gnome project was a disaster from beginning to end. It accomplished exactly one useful thing: Trolltech was forced to GPL QT. At that point, Gnome should have been promptly shut down, having accomplished its purpose, and Linux on the desktop would be much further advanced than it is. But instead we have this crippled zombie thing that shambles on and on. Somebody put a stake in its heart or something please.
I wouldn't be surprised if they announced their own kernel soon.
Red Hat tried that once. They managed to keep up the charade for a couple of years before finally admitting defeat.
They take their cues from Red Hat. Meh. I'm running Ubuntu on my desktops and laptops, Debian on my servers.
I really don't have the technical knowledge to praise or damn the idea, but as I understand it, there are some clever moves in this;
It appears that they rip out enough of Android that they can use the Android graphic drivers for Mir, so that every device with android drivers delivers "free" drivers for Mir too. That would give them a huge advantage in the Smartphone and Tablet arena.
QtMir, QtUbuntu, Qt/QML; it looks like Ubuntu dumps Gnome/GTK in favour of Qt5 for core OS (GUI) development. As I see it they will clone KDE/Qt, substituting the KDE parts with QtUbuntu.
Their time line seems very optimistic though.
+2 for your analysis. Piggybacking on Android drivers will be a huge advantage, however the "sweat" part of the inspiration seems to be hugely underestimated. And as a poster below pointed it, if it doesn't have network transparency at the protocol level I don't give a damn about it and will stick with X.
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I feel better now
Proved my point. Mozilla foundation should GPL KHTML (call it MozML?) and restore MathML.