that comment said "can't make their main software product compatible with previous versions of its operating system". To which I have replied, and gave some technical reasons explaining why.
You are obviously full of your usual diversionary crap and bluster, given that we on Linux regularly accomplish that which you claim is impossible on Windows.
GTK is an exception where the devs do such a crappy planning job that it actually makes sense to roll an entirely new library each release. Just for you, I went back and found an old Potato binary of gzilla from 1999. Libraries I had to install: gzilla, libgtk1, libjpegg6a, xlib6g. Libraries used by gzilla that I didn't have to install because they are properly versioned at the symbol level: libgdk, libglib, libXi, libXext, libX11, libm, libc, ld-linux, libxcb, libdl, libXau, libXdmcp. Note that libc is one of those that didn't need to be installed, which should tell you something. Same with libX11.
So now a gzilla binary from 1999 is running on my Linux workstation that is current as of, oh, 3 hours ago. And you can pretty much expect your success rate to run around the same 100% for whatever other dusty old binaries there are sitting in that ancient Potato repository. So... wise guy. Respond.
Bullshit. That's as shallow as you can get. It's the failure to appreciate the work that goes into making something simple that is shallow. Something can be a lot of work and still be shallow, nobody is claiming the don't waste a lot of time and money and resources on their packaging, so that's both a strawman and a false dichotomy.
He meant "deep for an Apple fan". If you just keep that in perspective, it all makes sense.
Oh you again. The self styled Unix expert. I suppose you don't know about Unix library versioning. Ancient GTK programs just work on modern Linux systems because the GTK library is versioned... the newest version of the library also contains all the old, deprecated interfaces and they just work. Pretty hard concept for a Windows guy to understand I know.
my gear always has a good resale value several years from now when it's time to upgrade.
Well, in simple terms Google just effectively cut the price of tablets in half. Prices for used iPad 1 and 2 are sure to do likewise. If you're hoping for that resale value thing you probably better ebay it, like, tomorrow.
Asus/Google's packaging was perfectly fine and far and above what you would see on the vast majority of consumer products. It may be inferior to Apple's (can't say since I don't have an iPad), but who really cares.
I don't know about typical Apple buyers, but I for one tend to be impressed more by the simple, understated look. With decent industrial design of course, but I really really don't want to be in my face. Like the box for the most recent graphics card, which has a big breasted Tinkerbell kind of thing on it. Ookkkay.
The sleeve was pressure fit so tightly that Hercu-Thumbs couldn't even slide it out.
Hmm, I didn't have any trouble with it. Just held the box by the sides and pushed with my thumbs. I do recall thinking it's a little tight. But you know, eh, I like tight.
3. To try to make the product stand out from the other products
The Nexus packaging does that very nicely by showing that the device is small. In fact, the packaging could be even smaller because there is quite a bit of air space in it, but the way it is, it feels nice in the hand. Interestingly, the Asus logo is more prominently featured on the box than the Google logo. That's a nice touch, and a clear indication that Google plans to get out of the way and let its partners take ownership as soon as the segment is properly bootstraped.
Well, the first, second and third people I showed the Nexus 7 box to, and what is inside it, headed over to Staples to get one. That was before connecting it to the net, all you got at that point was the Google logo. A beautiful hi res Google logo. And really snappy response. That's all it took: lovely tiny device plus the Google logo. Apple stakeholders should fear.
The box... I like it. It looks like a hardcover book slipcase. I was careful to cut the seals, not rip them off and the box still looks great. Obviously, I'm keeping the box. On the bookshelf. It looks like it belongs there.
So far the Nexus 7 has been a real joy. You could say "twice the computer at half the price" compared to the iPad. That's not completely accurate, really it's twice the cores, but it's close enough.
Who said anything about support? (You did.) I would think that Microsoft's business is to sell their word processor to whoever they can. But that doesn't seem to be the case. I'm mystified.
Then you don't know much about business. Believe it or not, not every customer is worth the time or trouble.
At 95% gross profit (sale price less cost to manufacture) how can that be? I remain mystified, but of course I bow to your self professed vastly superior knowledge of business principles.
No, that is incorrect. They are perfectly capable. They have no business reason to support people who do not purchase the new operating system.
Who said anything about support? (You did.) I would think that Microsoft's business is to sell their word processor to whoever they can. But that doesn't seem to be the case. I'm mystified.
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that comment said "can't make their main software product compatible with previous versions of its operating system". To which I have replied, and gave some technical reasons explaining why.
You are obviously full of your usual diversionary crap and bluster, given that we on Linux regularly accomplish that which you claim is impossible on Windows.
But immediately gets modded to the max. See "rotten apple" above.
OK, I'll bite....
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Just asking the obvious.
GTK is an exception where the devs do such a crappy planning job that it actually makes sense to roll an entirely new library each release. Just for you, I went back and found an old Potato binary of gzilla from 1999. Libraries I had to install: gzilla, libgtk1, libjpegg6a, xlib6g. Libraries used by gzilla that I didn't have to install because they are properly versioned at the symbol level: libgdk, libglib, libXi, libXext, libX11, libm, libc, ld-linux, libxcb, libdl, libXau, libXdmcp. Note that libc is one of those that didn't need to be installed, which should tell you something. Same with libX11.
So now a gzilla binary from 1999 is running on my Linux workstation that is current as of, oh, 3 hours ago. And you can pretty much expect your success rate to run around the same 100% for whatever other dusty old binaries there are sitting in that ancient Potato repository. So... wise guy. Respond.
It's hard to see how it is any more sexist than 0xdeadbeef. Surely you don't think we meant cow meat?
not shallow but deep
Bullshit. That's as shallow as you can get. It's the failure to appreciate the work that goes into making something simple that is shallow. Something can be a lot of work and still be shallow, nobody is claiming the don't waste a lot of time and money and resources on their packaging, so that's both a strawman and a false dichotomy.
He meant "deep for an Apple fan". If you just keep that in perspective, it all makes sense.
...an inlaid mahogany chest lined with velvet, mirror balls, and Steve Jobs air fresheners... The lid slides off...
...and Steve Jobs gets out! Gah.
Oh you again. The self styled Unix expert. I suppose you don't know about Unix library versioning. Ancient GTK programs just work on modern Linux systems because the GTK library is versioned... the newest version of the library also contains all the old, deprecated interfaces and they just work. Pretty hard concept for a Windows guy to understand I know.
my gear always has a good resale value several years from now when it's time to upgrade.
Well, in simple terms Google just effectively cut the price of tablets in half. Prices for used iPad 1 and 2 are sure to do likewise. If you're hoping for that resale value thing you probably better ebay it, like, tomorrow.
Packaging matters as much as the wrapping on a bag of chips, it's there to hold whatever is inside and protect your hand from oil burns.
What makes you think iFans don't save their chip bags?
Asus/Google's packaging was perfectly fine and far and above what you would see on the vast majority of consumer products. It may be inferior to Apple's (can't say since I don't have an iPad), but who really cares.
I don't know about typical Apple buyers, but I for one tend to be impressed more by the simple, understated look. With decent industrial design of course, but I really really don't want to be in my face. Like the box for the most recent graphics card, which has a big breasted Tinkerbell kind of thing on it. Ookkkay.
The sleeve was pressure fit so tightly that Hercu-Thumbs couldn't even slide it out.
Hmm, I didn't have any trouble with it. Just held the box by the sides and pushed with my thumbs. I do recall thinking it's a little tight. But you know, eh, I like tight.
3. To try to make the product stand out from the other products
The Nexus packaging does that very nicely by showing that the device is small. In fact, the packaging could be even smaller because there is quite a bit of air space in it, but the way it is, it feels nice in the hand. Interestingly, the Asus logo is more prominently featured on the box than the Google logo. That's a nice touch, and a clear indication that Google plans to get out of the way and let its partners take ownership as soon as the segment is properly bootstraped.
Well, the first, second and third people I showed the Nexus 7 box to, and what is inside it, headed over to Staples to get one. That was before connecting it to the net, all you got at that point was the Google logo. A beautiful hi res Google logo. And really snappy response. That's all it took: lovely tiny device plus the Google logo. Apple stakeholders should fear.
The box... I like it. It looks like a hardcover book slipcase. I was careful to cut the seals, not rip them off and the box still looks great. Obviously, I'm keeping the box. On the bookshelf. It looks like it belongs there.
So far the Nexus 7 has been a real joy. You could say "twice the computer at half the price" compared to the iPad. That's not completely accurate, really it's twice the cores, but it's close enough.
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The things I do with pivots, tables, and shared data between files/servers is a step beyond open office.
I doubt that. What makes you think Libre Office does not support pivots, tables and database access perfectly well?
You have obviously never submitted a paper for publication.
Surface looks to be a svelte little thing.
It's hard to say, because nobody was actually allowed to try it.
They have no business reason to support people who do not purchase the new operating system.
Actually, they do. Microsoft might wish to avoid being prosecuted for a Clayton Act Violation. (Tying.)
Who said anything about support? (You did.) I would think that Microsoft's business is to sell their word processor to whoever they can. But that doesn't seem to be the case. I'm mystified.
Then you don't know much about business. Believe it or not, not every customer is worth the time or trouble.
At 95% gross profit (sale price less cost to manufacture) how can that be? I remain mystified, but of course I bow to your self professed vastly superior knowledge of business principles.
Newer applications are going to want to leverage features found in the newer operating systems.
Oh right. Like keyboards, screens, mice, monitors. Innovative features like that.
Precisely why would Microsoft Office need DirectX? a 3D spreadsheet maybe? Maybe a really awesome animated book report?
Clippy3D.
Corporate IT will not have a problem skipping this upgrade cycle, and will be richer for it.
Especially if they install LibreOffice on their existing machines. Get a few more years out of the hardware too.
No, that is incorrect. They are perfectly capable. They have no business reason to support people who do not purchase the new operating system.
Who said anything about support? (You did.) I would think that Microsoft's business is to sell their word processor to whoever they can. But that doesn't seem to be the case. I'm mystified.