Umm, The Korean school system deployed THOUSANDS of Linux machines with sendmail in an open relay configuration. Furthermore, these machines weren't patched and virtually all of them were eventually owned by kiddies.
Even if accurate, which I have my doubts Mr. Anonymous Coward, this is nothing compared to millions of zombified Windows machines.
All I can see from here is the port scanning that continuously comes from their networks. And the lack of response when I try to report it to their ISPs.
Those are zombied Windows machines. Korea produces porportionately more zombie spam than other countries because its bandwidth is relatively higher.
The zombied machines are all Windows machines. Windows is heavily used in Korea because for a long time it had better Korean language support than Linux. Now that Linux has caught up and with the Korean government backing of Linux, that will slowly change.
In the meantime, don't criticize Korea, criticize Microsoft.
Yes, they've made a loss on Xbox (although I don't think it's as much as 4 billion), they don't expect to make a profit until the second or third generation. That's looking ahead.
That's also illegal, when done by a monopoly. It is illegal to use profits from a monopoly to fund predatory marketing.
"The amount of overhead required for running a multitasking operating system really isn't compatible with the hardware being used (that is, its speed), and isn't compatible with the way its being used anyway."
You're quite simply wrong. Windows CE/Smartphone stuff is actually less efficient in many areas than Linux. For one, the use of XIP (which MS seems to prefer) for most applications eats a lot of flash and cuts down on performance. A typical PocketPC image is generally much larger than a Qtopia and Busybox based Linux fs and kernel. And multitasking is perfectly suited for a PDA despite what you might say. I doubt Windows CE would have had any acceptance as a PDA platform if it did not have multitasking capability.
The cpufreq stuff in Linux gives comparable or better net power consumption for a wide variety of tasks as well.
The linux kernel is a win here because it gives respectable performance without having to put up with the hassle of a crippled API like Windows CE (anyone that has programmed CE apps of any significance knows exactly what the C stands for).
You have to realize that many of these phones are using processors like Freescale and Intel PXAs that are power efficient, yet they are among the fastest ARM implementations available. These processors are many many times faster than any 386...so are you saying that Linux should never have been created? They are thoroughly fast enough to run graphical environments like Qtopia and even a surprisingly large number of roms on MAME.
It's a win because with Linux you get a fairly stable platform with the ability to use many POSIX and POSIXish libraries, many that are PDA relevant (OpenOBEX, Bluetooth) (plus have things like UNIX shell scripting and python for hackers). JFFS2 for all its problems is still more robust than that abortion called IPSM.
You should be aware that for ARM platforms (what most of these phones are anyway) there is work being put into linux 2.6 that uses the domain feature of the ARM MMU to make context switches extremely fast.
It sounds like you are completely clueless when it comes to running software on smaller systems and really don't have a fucking clue what "overheads" are involved in running a system like Linux..
You should check to see what your drinking water pipes are made of.
For the most part, I think the appeal is the ability to tinker with it, add software that wouldn't be intended, and various other 'geeky' things that most consumers wouldn't give a damn about.
But consumers care a great deal about the things those tinkerers come up with. Example: Firefox.
The problem with Stallman is that, brilliant as he is, he only ever seems to garner attention from those who are already on his side. He preaches to the choir and only to the choir
Nonsense. Stallman's work directly or indirectly influences the lives of hundreds of millions. While you, personally, may have a problem with his methods, they are obviously effective.
I would be quite surprised if someone as acquainted with the business world and its laws as Bill Gates would turn to such recklessly illegal tactics as extortion or blackmail.
You never saw the videos of Bill Gates testifying under oath, did you? Or see here.
It is not extortion because the act of close the office and firing the people would not be illegal. Also it was not made in private
Where did you get that idea? Extortion is extortion, whether public or private. And it is not the act of closing the company and firing the people that is illegal, but the coercive threat.
someone broke in to his computer, and authorized a wire transfer from his account to another one. From the bank's perspective, they did everything correct. They recieved proper authorization for the transfer and made it. It would not have been iniated had someone with the proper credentials not requested it. So the bank believes they've done what they should do. That his computer got hacked isn't their problem. Now we'll see if the courts agree.
Let's be honest here. The computer got hacked because it was running Windows, which is the only operating system vulnerable to that trojan. The owner ought to have been aware of the risk of conducting online transactions using Windows. But the courts may decide that the Bank was negligent in not warning its customers about the risks of conducting online transactions using Windows. Therefore, the courts may rule in favor of the victim and the bank may have to make good the loss.
In that case, the bank would be forced to warn its customers about the risks of doing online banking with Windows, to avoid a flood of lawsuits, and the risk of financial loss would be placed squarely on the shoulders of people using Windows for online banking, where it belongs.
Perhaps the next step would be a class action suit against Microsoft. Wouldn't that be entertaining. Microsoft can certainly afford to pay.
Gates contributes to charity exactly what he is required to, to avoid taxes, and not a penny more. And even at that, his contributions are often cynically directed to further his business goals, such as PR in India just as India had announced official support for Linux, or purchasing vaccines at high prices from multinational drug corporations who are on the same side of the table as Gates on forcing the US IP regime on the rest of the world, or contributing to education by purchasing Microsoft software.
Gates is a mizer through and through, with a heart of ice.
The speed with which, for example, the Linux community reacts to problems is not especially high -- that's because this system, unlike ours, simply does not keep thousands of people on standby to deal with problems.
Gosh that's true, Bill. The Linux system actually keeps millions of people on standby to deal with problems.
My opinion: if you're IT director at a bank and you've chosen to stay with Windows even in light of its widely known security issues, you should be given your walking papers. Your risk management strategy is purely negligent.
My best guess is that the hardware is basic enough that they can probably install Win98 on it with very little trouble. This is a computer for software license violaters, in that case.
Why would you do that if it's working perfectly well with Linux? Let alone not being a spyware magnet.
Ah, so obviously Red Hat don't test them. A bit surprising, but perhaps Red Hat users have low expectations, or don't mind doing all the testing themselves.
Don't act stupid. In many cases, Red Hat employees are the ones who develop the fixes. In all other cases, they work closely with those who do.
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Umm, The Korean school system deployed THOUSANDS of Linux machines with sendmail in an open relay configuration. Furthermore, these machines weren't patched and virtually all of them were eventually owned by kiddies.
Even if accurate, which I have my doubts Mr. Anonymous Coward, this is nothing compared to millions of zombified Windows machines.
All I can see from here is the port scanning that continuously comes from their networks. And the lack of response when I try to report it to their ISPs.
Those are zombied Windows machines. Korea produces porportionately more zombie spam than other countries because its bandwidth is relatively higher.
The zombied machines are all Windows machines. Windows is heavily used in Korea because for a long time it had better Korean language support than Linux. Now that Linux has caught up and with the Korean government backing of Linux, that will slowly change.
In the meantime, don't criticize Korea, criticize Microsoft.
Yes, they've made a loss on Xbox (although I don't think it's as much as 4 billion), they don't expect to make a profit until the second or third generation. That's looking ahead.
That's also illegal, when done by a monopoly. It is illegal to use profits from a monopoly to fund predatory marketing.
"The amount of overhead required for running a multitasking operating system really isn't compatible with the hardware being used (that is, its speed), and isn't compatible with the way its being used anyway."
You're quite simply wrong. Windows CE/Smartphone stuff is actually less efficient in many areas than Linux. For one, the use of XIP (which MS seems to prefer) for most applications eats a lot of flash and cuts down on performance. A typical PocketPC image is generally much larger than a Qtopia and Busybox based Linux fs and kernel.
And multitasking is perfectly suited for a PDA despite what you might say. I doubt Windows CE would have had any acceptance as a PDA platform if it did not have multitasking capability.
The cpufreq stuff in Linux gives comparable or better net power consumption for a wide variety of tasks as well.
The linux kernel is a win here because it gives respectable performance without having to put up with the hassle of a crippled API like Windows CE (anyone that has programmed CE apps of any significance knows exactly what the C stands for).
You have to realize that many of these phones are using processors like Freescale and Intel PXAs that are power efficient, yet they are among the fastest ARM implementations available. These processors are many many times faster than any 386...so are you saying that Linux should never have been created? They are thoroughly fast enough to run graphical environments like Qtopia and even a surprisingly large number of roms on MAME.
It's a win because with Linux you get a fairly stable platform with the ability to use many POSIX and POSIXish libraries, many that are PDA relevant (OpenOBEX, Bluetooth) (plus have things like UNIX shell scripting and python for hackers). JFFS2 for all its problems is still more robust than that abortion called IPSM.
You should be aware that for ARM platforms (what most of these phones are anyway) there is work being put into linux 2.6 that uses the domain feature of the ARM MMU to make context switches extremely fast.
It sounds like you are completely clueless when it comes to running software on smaller systems and really don't have a fucking clue what "overheads" are involved in running a system like Linux..
You should check to see what your drinking water pipes are made of.
Mod up...
For the most part, I think the appeal is the ability to tinker with it, add software that wouldn't be intended, and various other 'geeky' things that most consumers wouldn't give a damn about.
But consumers care a great deal about the things those tinkerers come up with. Example: Firefox.
The problem with Stallman is that, brilliant as he is, he only ever seems to garner attention from those who are already on his side. He preaches to the choir and only to the choir
Nonsense. Stallman's work directly or indirectly influences the lives of hundreds of millions. While you, personally, may have a problem with his methods, they are obviously effective.
I know I'll get "troll" for this blah blah RMS blah blah blah
Too bad I don't have mod points at the moment, or I'd give you your troll right now.
I would be quite surprised if someone as acquainted with the business world and its laws as Bill Gates would turn to such recklessly illegal tactics as extortion or blackmail.
You never saw the videos of Bill Gates testifying under oath, did you? Or see here.
It is not extortion because the act of close the office and firing the people would not be illegal. Also it was not made in private
Where did you get that idea? Extortion is extortion, whether public or private. And it is not the act of closing the company and firing the people that is illegal, but the coercive threat.
As a former Linux advocate who has changed his stance for money, how can you look at yourself in the mirror in the morning?
someone broke in to his computer, and authorized a wire transfer from his account to another one. From the bank's perspective, they did everything correct. They recieved proper authorization for the transfer and made it. It would not have been iniated had someone with the proper credentials not requested it. So the bank believes they've done what they should do. That his computer got hacked isn't their problem. Now we'll see if the courts agree.
Let's be honest here. The computer got hacked because it was running Windows, which is the only operating system vulnerable to that trojan. The owner ought to have been aware of the risk of conducting online transactions using Windows. But the courts may decide that the Bank was negligent in not warning its customers about the risks of conducting online transactions using Windows. Therefore, the courts may rule in favor of the victim and the bank may have to make good the loss.
In that case, the bank would be forced to warn its customers about the risks of doing online banking with Windows, to avoid a flood of lawsuits, and the risk of financial loss would be placed squarely on the shoulders of people using Windows for online banking, where it belongs.
Perhaps the next step would be a class action suit against Microsoft. Wouldn't that be entertaining. Microsoft can certainly afford to pay.
that's horse shit, most people who use linux aren't going into the kernel to fix major vulnerabilities
And just what percentage of Microsoft employees do you think are capable of going into the Windows kernel to fix vulnerabilities?
I see.
Gates also contributes a lot of money to charity
Gates contributes to charity exactly what he is required to, to avoid taxes, and not a penny more. And even at that, his contributions are often cynically directed to further his business goals, such as PR in India just as India had announced official support for Linux, or purchasing vaccines at high prices from multinational drug corporations who are on the same side of the table as Gates on forcing the US IP regime on the rest of the world, or contributing to education by purchasing Microsoft software.
Gates is a mizer through and through, with a heart of ice.
The speed with which, for example, the Linux community reacts to problems is not especially high -- that's because this system, unlike ours, simply does not keep thousands of people on standby to deal with problems.
Gosh that's true, Bill. The Linux system actually keeps millions of people on standby to deal with problems.
My opinion: if you're IT director at a bank and you've chosen to stay with Windows even in light of its widely known security issues, you should be given your walking papers. Your risk management strategy is purely negligent.
That said optimization does not in fact speed things up is entirely outside the scope of this argument.
You're full of bull. Have you benchmarked it? I have. I'm no Java lover but the speed of JIT compiled Java is phenomenal these days.
My best guess is that the hardware is basic enough that they can probably install Win98 on it with very little trouble. This is a computer for software license violaters, in that case.
Why would you do that if it's working perfectly well with Linux? Let alone not being a spyware magnet.
Apparently, you saw a misunderstanding where there was none
I retract that. Your post was in reply to an article I didn't see and you didn't quote, properly modded down as flamebait.
You left one out...
Bill Gates: (scurrying away and peering out from deep within the folds of a black cape) Blast! Foiled again!
Your misunderstanding was part of the reason for the term 'open source' being coined
Apparently, you saw a misunderstanding where there was none.
It is sad, he is so extreme he is even losing credibility with OSS supporters as myself
Speak for yourself. Whatever RMS does and for whatever reason he does it, I want him to do more of it, for it makes my life better.
Seriously guys, the trash talk is getting embarrassing...
You're embarrassing. Go read the article.
I would have thought it would have gotten a funny modifier, but Troll is a bit harsh.
Flamebait would have been about right.
I felt more stupid after reading your comment.
Ah, so obviously Red Hat don't test them. A bit surprising, but perhaps Red Hat users have low expectations, or don't mind doing all the testing themselves.
Don't act stupid. In many cases, Red Hat employees are the ones who develop the fixes. In all other cases, they work closely with those who do.