Semi-off topic: "Google is expected to lose $50 million in just the next five months because Epic Games was able to skirt the Play Store when launching Fortnite on Android."
I'm having trouble understanding how Google can "lose" something that isn't theirs.
Apple has a long history of trying to prevent choice and innovation. They forced DR to lobotomize GEM, threatened Microsoft for the best part of a decade to prevent them from producing a decent UI for Windows (you really don't want to know what Windows was like pre-95), and until the late nineties was notorious for avoiding open technologies, even when there was no serious advantage to its own. While things warmed again under Jobs, the latter went ballistic over Google's Android despite the iPhone itself being a blatant copy of an LG design.
They're not the good guys, they're just a company that very often comes up with some good ideas.
Every single bit of that is a lie.
Sorry, every bit of that is bang on, I saw it all with my own eyes. And that's just the tip of it. Being charitable to Apple if anything, maybe that is a mistake.
It's prettier than you. And of course you know that this card is also a PITA on Windows. If you want to keep fiddling with it then suit yourself, but quit whining about it, thanks bye.
Only two years less here, after a couple years in RPM hell. My first Debian install was Potato, and that install is still running today, continuously upgraded to buster and having been moved to a bigger disk four or five times, once needing a ddrescue. Some of those version upgrades were a lot less than smooth, needing fiddling with low level dpkg details, even including editing apt db files a couple times. Upgrading is a lot more robust these days.
Today, that server is still 32 bit, it was migrated to 64 bit by copying just the application config files and the 64 bit server took over. The 32 bit original is still running in a new role as a storage server. Just no reason to kill it.
Nobody is confused by the term "Unity engine", one of the most popular engines by number of commercial games released. The reason nobody knows about the Linux port is, Unity just hasn't announced it or linked it except for this highly obscure issue tracker thread. Need to spread the word, this is pure gold. As I see it, this is hands down the best intro to serious game development.
While Microsoft was fighting to limit Linux on the desktop, Linux did an endrun around Microsoft and owned the smartphone market in the form of Android, not to mention the data center, hosting, HPC and webserver markets. Bad luck Microsoft.
In spite of Microsoft skullduggery, Linux is still growing on the desktop in terms of absolute numbers. Now over 2% in browser share.
I totally clicked on the little box to load the nonfree drivers like it asked, and it didn't work.
For anybody else who got stuck with a 7870 LE GPU (really a 7900 series chipset) you need the firmware, but the (proprietary, obsolete) fglrx driver is known not to support this GPUt. Some people got it to work with radeon driver, not sure about the amdgpu driver. But really, don't bother, just upgrade to a better card. RX 480 is a nice cheapo upgrade, 580 is fine, both still highly respectable GPUs.
Obviously, use Linux for your movies, music and FAQs, it's better anyway. If that doesn't work for you for some reason, multi-monitor passthrough is also a thing.
It's *not* $0.00. It's a game-dev selling out their future customers to invasion of privacy throughout their sessions of playing their games.
Yes, it's an issue, and not just with Unity, far from it. If game devs keep an eye out and speak up with anything dodgy happens, that will do a lot. There are several good engines as alternatives. At least it installs without root, that's big, and obviously, any game dev kit that needs root to install is one to be deeply suspicious about.
My general impression is, the Unity guys have some kind of moral compass, I hope that bears out. I don't begrudge them a business model.
Correct, it's boxing Windows. Not as bad as wallowing in Windows. Well I personally don't have any need for it, but some say they do, or at least, they want some kind of security blanket when they finally make the switch.
and I really don't think it should matter that I have a 7870 LE.
Interesting fantasy land you live in, where hardware details don't matter. Also interesting how you come in throwing around insults without having done a bit of research yourself.
It seems, some people got it working, but if it were mine I would just junk that 2012 card. If you want something really minimal, HD 6450 is perfectly servicable, and fanless. If you want something powerful but cheap, RX 400 series or RX 500. That particular card is, unfortunately, a bit of an orphan. It happens.
Sorry, but it's still too annoying to use Linux. Valve should stop wasting their time. Finish Half-Life 4 or something.
You are a troll, and a bad one. The symptoms you describe are consistent with the card firmware not being loaded. But you never experienced this yourself, you just googled for some random Radeon hardware issue, and cut and pasted.
Why? You saying that there's something different about some Radeon models that would matter?
No. I'm saying that is unusual for a person with an honest hardware problem not to say exactly what hardware it is, as opposed to an entire brand. Makes the post look a lot like a troll.
Linux isn't going away, don't worry. It is very apparent that Valve continues solidly behind Linux gaming. Whatever way a game runs on Linux is fine with me, including running Windows in a VM. If there was a game I really cared about and that was the only way, then I would do it, because better than booting Windows, by far. But there is no such game so I thankfully don't need to have my face rubbed in all the things that made me run screaming away from Windows in the first place.
the compatibility layer needs to be able to work on fully open source OSs
Not sure what you're worried about. Everything Valve puts out for "SteamOS" works just fine on Linux (Ubuntu, Debian, others) for me. Actually, SteamOS just seems to be Valve's word for Linux.
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Semi-off topic:
"Google is expected to lose $50 million in just the next five months because Epic Games was able to skirt the Play Store when launching Fortnite on Android."
I'm having trouble understanding how Google can "lose" something that isn't theirs.
Don't want it.
How could you leave out "arrogant"?
Apple has a long history of trying to prevent choice and innovation. They forced DR to lobotomize GEM, threatened Microsoft for the best part of a decade to prevent them from producing a decent UI for Windows (you really don't want to know what Windows was like pre-95), and until the late nineties was notorious for avoiding open technologies, even when there was no serious advantage to its own. While things warmed again under Jobs, the latter went ballistic over Google's Android despite the iPhone itself being a blatant copy of an LG design.
They're not the good guys, they're just a company that very often comes up with some good ideas.
Every single bit of that is a lie.
Sorry, every bit of that is bang on, I saw it all with my own eyes. And that's just the tip of it. Being charitable to Apple if anything, maybe that is a mistake.
It's prettier than you. And of course you know that this card is also a PITA on Windows. If you want to keep fiddling with it then suit yourself, but quit whining about it, thanks bye.
Only two years less here, after a couple years in RPM hell. My first Debian install was Potato, and that install is still running today, continuously upgraded to buster and having been moved to a bigger disk four or five times, once needing a ddrescue. Some of those version upgrades were a lot less than smooth, needing fiddling with low level dpkg details, even including editing apt db files a couple times. Upgrading is a lot more robust these days.
Today, that server is still 32 bit, it was migrated to 64 bit by copying just the application config files and the 64 bit server took over. The 32 bit original is still running in a new role as a storage server. Just no reason to kill it.
Nobody is confused by the term "Unity engine", one of the most popular engines by number of commercial games released. The reason nobody knows about the Linux port is, Unity just hasn't announced it or linked it except for this highly obscure issue tracker thread. Need to spread the word, this is pure gold. As I see it, this is hands down the best intro to serious game development.
While Microsoft was fighting to limit Linux on the desktop, Linux did an endrun around Microsoft and owned the smartphone market in the form of Android, not to mention the data center, hosting, HPC and webserver markets. Bad luck Microsoft.
In spite of Microsoft skullduggery, Linux is still growing on the desktop in terms of absolute numbers. Now over 2% in browser share.
I totally clicked on the little box to load the nonfree drivers like it asked, and it didn't work.
For anybody else who got stuck with a 7870 LE GPU (really a 7900 series chipset) you need the firmware, but the (proprietary, obsolete) fglrx driver is known not to support this GPUt. Some people got it to work with radeon driver, not sure about the amdgpu driver. But really, don't bother, just upgrade to a better card. RX 480 is a nice cheapo upgrade, 580 is fine, both still highly respectable GPUs.
Obviously, use Linux for your movies, music and FAQs, it's better anyway. If that doesn't work for you for some reason, multi-monitor passthrough is also a thing.
It's *not* $0.00. It's a game-dev selling out their future customers to invasion of privacy throughout their sessions of playing their games.
Yes, it's an issue, and not just with Unity, far from it. If game devs keep an eye out and speak up with anything dodgy happens, that will do a lot. There are several good engines as alternatives. At least it installs without root, that's big, and obviously, any game dev kit that needs root to install is one to be deeply suspicious about.
My general impression is, the Unity guys have some kind of moral compass, I hope that bears out. I don't begrudge them a business model.
Thats not really 'stopping using windows'.
Correct, it's boxing Windows. Not as bad as wallowing in Windows. Well I personally don't have any need for it, but some say they do, or at least, they want some kind of security blanket when they finally make the switch.
Right, but at least only games end up running under Windows, not your browser, email, etc, which needs privacy.
Wow, you have attitude issues. Bye.
and I really don't think it should matter that I have a 7870 LE.
Interesting fantasy land you live in, where hardware details don't matter. Also interesting how you come in throwing around insults without having done a bit of research yourself.
The 7870 LE s an oddball using the Tahiti chipset instead of the more popular and well supported Pitcairn chipset. Bugzilla: Tahiti LE: GFX block is not functional, CP is okay
It seems, some people got it working, but if it were mine I would just junk that 2012 card. If you want something really minimal, HD 6450 is perfectly servicable, and fanless. If you want something powerful but cheap, RX 400 series or RX 500. That particular card is, unfortunately, a bit of an orphan. It happens.
Sorry, but it's still too annoying to use Linux. Valve should stop wasting their time. Finish Half-Life 4 or something.
You are a troll, and a bad one. The symptoms you describe are consistent with the card firmware not being loaded. But you never experienced this yourself, you just googled for some random Radeon hardware issue, and cut and pasted.
Why? You saying that there's something different about some Radeon models that would matter?
No. I'm saying that is unusual for a person with an honest hardware problem not to say exactly what hardware it is, as opposed to an entire brand. Makes the post look a lot like a troll.
Windows under KVM with GPU passthrough is a thing
Some Microsoftie with mod points doesn't like that post.
Does anyone still care?
About you? No, not really.
Linux isn't going away, don't worry. It is very apparent that Valve continues solidly behind Linux gaming. Whatever way a game runs on Linux is fine with me, including running Windows in a VM. If there was a game I really cared about and that was the only way, then I would do it, because better than booting Windows, by far. But there is no such game so I thankfully don't need to have my face rubbed in all the things that made me run screaming away from Windows in the first place.
the compatibility layer needs to be able to work on fully open source OSs
Not sure what you're worried about. Everything Valve puts out for "SteamOS" works just fine on Linux (Ubuntu, Debian, others) for me. Actually, SteamOS just seems to be Valve's word for Linux.
Hey how about getting your own shit to work with Linux before worrying about third party stuff
A lot of Steam stuff is on Linux. Dota2 works great for example, including with vulkan. And BTW, the Dota2 International just started today.
Windows under KVM with GPU passthrough is a thing
There is a great wine gaming resource here.
Kind of a clumsy troll.