yeah until its on 90% of desktops...then we'll see how secure it is
You miss the point entirely. OpenSSL have already been validated, and the source has been seen by thousands of other people. THAT is what makes it more secure. Its proven and open. OpenSSL isn't a "desktop", its a library for encryption. Its released under a BSD license, so Microsoft could include it in every copy of XP if it so chose to. Its not platform dependent.
And to further blow your smug theory away, any Unix like operating system will always be more secure than the current Windows systems by design. Its not an opinion, its a design choice that makes the software somewhat more difficult to use but gaining security. You CAN make a Unix like OS as insecure as a standard Windows install (hello Lindows) but you have to really try.
It would be nice if the "yea, wait until more people use Linux" had a clue what they were talking about, especially since has exactly NOTHING to do with Linux. Linus, to my knowledge, has not contributed to OpenSSL and it OpenSSL will work just fine with no need for Linux.
Since they are having to revalidate the same code others have already validated (albeit with some modifications) but its still a good thing to see DoD at least attempting to use my tax dollars smarter, by spending the time to formally validate open source software instead of buying proprietary software for hundreds of thousands of dollars, that contains basically the same code.
Any time the Govt. decides to use Free software instead of MS stuff, I also sleep better at night, for several reasons.
Actually, this is exactly the type of technology that I can see for home computing in the future. I would love to have one primary box at the house, and access the same box from the den, the kitchen, the office (in the house). Need longer cables, but would be quite efficient.
Yes, you can do xwindow clients, etc. but its not the same. Also, allowing the box to act as a house server is handy. Not counting the fact that maintenance is lower, file sharing is irrelevent, and having everything centralized is just handy all around. THIS, taken to the next level for ease of use, is the future for home computing, and some business use.
You have a good point. However, one could point out that there is currently not really a vendor out there who makes free drivers and neither is there one that really gives developers access to the relevant API's so they can write them. So the companies have the choice, but we don't.
Yes, because knowing the password means that you automatically know the IP address too, right?
Um, YES. You obviously have never admin'ed an apache web server. By default, it logs every IP, every request,
Yeah, a 47GB app. That'd be a snap to download.
Its not a 47GB app. The source is 44k, and the compiled binary is well under 1mb. If you bothered to check you would know that. That has nothing to do with the resources it uses when it is cranking.
If it's a production server that you can't afford to even reboot, maybe you shouldn't be giving the root password to some random website. Just a thought.
Makes me wonder if the owners of the site:
1. Log you IP and submitted hash. 2. nmap the class C for port 22. 3. A rooting we will go.
There is no 4. Profit. This is slashdot, half the users don't have jobs, half don't have anything worth stealing, and the other 10% can't do math;)
you dont get the same has from two different passwords. when you log in, your computer doesnt actually compare passwords, it compares the hash of the password you just entered to the hash of the previously stored password. This is why ROOT can't recover your password, and can only change it (unless they submit to this site, that is...)
if you could get the same hash from two different passwords, then you would have multiple passwords for every user on most Linux/Unix computers. The 42 answer was a joke, a movie reference. I forget the exact movie, but I remember the guy asked "what is the meaning of life" and the answer was 42. Problem being he didn't know the question it was calculated from. You had to be there I guess.
But closed source code does not have a place in a consumer kernel.
That is an opinion, but the entire NT/XP kernel is closed, so obviously there is a place for it;) My concern is not if the kernel module is open or closed, as long as they comply with the GPL. Yes, I would prefer open source, but that should not disqualify the product from use by itself.
I understand not wanting binary only modules in the kernel, but then again, you can always buy an ATI card. You have a choice. If Linus were to decide that it was in violation of the GPL (he has stated that there could be a problem, and has never pursued it past that) then you would NOT have a choice, because NVidia has indicated that they have legal reasons for not releasing code.
Even if they DIDN'T have legal reasons, they could simply develop the drivers for the 90%+ of the Windows market and just drop all 5% of the Linux desktop market. This would not be advantagous for Linux users. I still maintain that in spite of my preferences, they have the RIGHT to choose how to license their own products, just as Linus does, Bill Gates does, and you do (if you write software, that is).
You exercise YOUR rights by choosing what products/licenses you want to accept. Your rights don't include telling other companies how to license their legal products. That is capalism, you vote with your dollars, you DON'T have the right to force legally compliant companies to do your will in any other way.
I agree with you! Closed source software has its places, just as open source software does.
I have been arguing this for years. Part of "Freedom" is choice, and having the choice to release your source code or not, just as I have the choice to use open or closed source applications. Abuse of a monopoly is not the same thing as closed source.
It is ironic that some (but not most) of the advocates of Open Source rail against anything that is not Free. This intolorance is why they get compared to "commies" and socialists, taking a position that "either software is Free or it should not exist". Fortunately, most of us who are Free software fans don't share their intolorant views.
If a company wants to keep their source closed and try to actually make money SELLING it, fine. If someone wants to make a Free version that does basically the same thing, even better, because then we have a choice, and the MARKETPLACE decides.
What is needed under Linux is basically the "quick start" feature which OpenOffice and Mozilla uses under Windows.
Most geeks I know (myself included) DISABLE the quickstart feature for all apps, including DirectCD, MS or O Office and every other resident app that isn't providing a needed service. We do NOT need more programs to sit and run while they are not being used. Having the VM use a resident program would require all clients to do that, which is a tall hill to climb, for a bad idea.
Resident would be fine, I guess, if you are developing and want a faster start time, but it gives you no idea on the true responsiveness of your application for the clients who will ultimately be using the app. I just don't like the idea of having yet more resident apps consuming memory and cpu on my Windows boxes, which is already bloated and slow enough. It seems like an ugly hack, even for Mozilla or Office.
Go install Suse 9.1 (what I suggested) and then express your opinion. Mine is based on using both operating systems equally, for many years. Obviously, your opinion is not.
You get what you would have to pay thousands for in software, for free, which is what any educational institution would want that is accepting old laptops with broken cdrom drives. And its as easy to install and configure as XP, just different. Your opinion of Linux is very dated, and no longer correct.
I don't hate any OS, I just use the right tool for the job. Sometimes it is Windows, sometimes it is Linux. In this instance, Linux would be the right tool, for a very used computer going to a 3rd world country.
I doubt such images would ever even be considered admissible by the courts if they were of such low quality.
This technology isn't even remotely designed for use in court. Its designed so you know that you need to pitch a grenade through a window before entering. Flashbang or frag, your choice.
The only police application is helping in apprehending someone, not proving they did anything. If you look outside and see the cops with one of these on your outside wall, you can bet they are already done gathering evidence.
So they've had self-tuning guitars for years now? And "the clapper" was around in the military for years before the "public admission" of the technology?!?! WHOA!
self tuning guitars have been around (mainly as individual prototypes) for many years.
And the military has had problems with the Clapper since WWII, even going as far as handing out condoms....
I guess the same way it was modded funny. Its actually good advice, which is why i said install Linux in previous post: so if they get other computers, they can use the same OS without breaking the law or paying money.
I am not sure how useful an old laptop with a defective cdrom drive will be, but here it is. If it can be plugged in at night, it seems it can plugged in at day and just used as a small desktop, btw, so I don't really focus on power.
Linux as the OS (there are tons of language options), Open Office for docs, ALL the standard Linux games that come with typical distros to first expose the kids to computing and get them used to using a computer. Most dont use text, so language is irrelevant, and they teach basic thought skills. (Tux Racer may seem weird to them, watching a penguin belly flop on snow trying to catch herring is not a typical scene in Africa;) This allows them to use Gimp, sound editing, video editing, web design, etc. or anything else and you don't have to know what their needs are in advance (which you probably can't do anyway).
Suse 9.1 (you can buy a home rolled copy on ebay for $10, shipping and all) is an EXCELLENT distro. 5 CDs and unreal amounts of software. Fedora is a decent choice as well. Choose to install all the extra games with Gnome as well.
One of the biggest advantages of using Linux instead of Windows is that they can copy it to other computers they get without breaking any laws, so everyone can use the same platform, making training and maintenance easier, and support is available in many languages from many people. Another advantage is the ability to have true multiple users on the system without the threat of screwing up someone elses files, and you can't delete the system files by accident if you are not root. (win9x is dangerous for newbs in that way).
The average win9x system comes with less than 300mb of software (200mb of it bloat), but you can install up to 4+ gigs of software from a good Linux distro, so its easier to prep the box and make it useful, using all Free software. Or you can install much less and still have a great system.
Also, using Linux, your gift is less likely to become a source of trojaned spam in the future;)
I think it can be argued that Windows + cygwin != Windows.
Well, it isn't exactly Lindows either;) I have used Cygwin for a long time, and while it is pretty handy, it will not compile everything and has serious limitations. I still love it and find it useful, but its not a substitute for a Linux environment. You can run sshd in Cygwin, but there are still some limitations. Also, I find that PUTTY is easier to ssh and sftp with, rather than cygwin's ports of ssh and sftp. The Perl windows port is a bit handier than Perl in Cygwin also, for local machine tasks.
Cygwin is the next best thing to a Linux install, but it is far from being the same thing.
Now, under windows, what other option do you have besides opening all 300 photos in a photo editing program and issue the rescale command for each and every photo?
While I agree with your primary point, its not as hard in Windows as you state. Photoshop (yes, not free) can do hundreds of images using a batch function. Its not bad to setup, and works well enough, but not free. It is still not as easy as Linux, but it can be easily automated if you have the right software. Photoshop has had this feature for many years now. It works by doing the task to ALL images in a directory.
You can also batch any set of commands, such as change from RGB to CMYK or greyscale, +10 contrast, crop, change resolution, run a filter, etc. I would imagine this is used for some video work as well.
Yea, sad isn't it? Our email addresses MUST be published (we sell stuff) so they are out there. Plus we don't bounce invalid addresses, instead using a catch-all (a pain but needed for us). Also, the majority of spam does NOT come from china/korea/russia, its just that I can easily get rid of 1/3 of the spam by blacklisting the IP blocks of those areas (have to accept mail in most of Europe, since we do business there)
Most spam / viruses come from the US, from major ISP with clients that are properly pwned via trojans. I can't blacklist comcast, pacbell, swbell, and other ISPs.
Also, we don't use email for hundreds of incoming messages. Most of our customers call us on the phone. The vast majority of our email is actually OUTGOING, sending shipping notices, etc. We are one of those weird companies that actually lets customers speak to a real person when they call;)
I used to report spam more diligently than I do now.
Same, but now I filter through and make sure I report all Comcast spam, since it may actually make a difference. I have definately seen a reduction in spam from comcast since the report. We receive many THOUSANDS of spam messages a day for less than two dozen email addresses over 2 domains. I don't even log virus hits anymore, they just delete. A couple hundred a day. I only report spam to known major ISPs. Over 97% of the traffic at our mail server is spam or viruses. Sad.
Regarding chinese/russian/korean spam, I just block several thousand class B IP blocks. Yes, this is not the best method, but then again, since I don't email anyone in China, etc, perhaps it is.
Also, any domain that sends spam, and doesn't have an abuse@ address is blacklisted instantly. Several small ISPs fit into this catagory. I will NOT fill out a form on a fucking web page to report spam. No abuse@, no access.
optonline and adelphia seem to be the worst about not responding to spam, and verizon is the WORST. God I hate them, for so many reasons. I have the least problems/repeats with spam from rr.com and aol.com, ironically.
Considering the amount of claims I have had to file with UPS, this looks like an infinite loop.
You order, it arrives broken, you return to UPS to fix, they fix, they send to you and break it on the way, you send it back, they fix, repeat ad nausium. Eventually, your warranty expires, and then. PROFIT! (sorry in advance)
I believe a home visit by a cattle-prod wielding Company Representative would also do the trick, and I'm sure myself and other recipients of offers such as "Increase Your Penis Size While Improving Your Search Engine Placings On Google" would willingly fund this if neccessary.
I don't know about you, but I have been responding to all the "Increase your Penis" ads, and now my wang is so big, I had to buy new pants. Thanks to all those guys in Africa, I have more money in my bank account than I could hope for. I used it to buy stocks based on tips that these guys have been sending me, and have doubled my money in a week every time. Of course, it doesn't really matter, because I am buying software for 80% off retail, get people sending me really cool screen savers for free, and refinanced my home at unheard of interest rates.
Now I'm getting tons of email from girls that want me to meet them and their coed girlfriends, so the new, bigger penis will come in handy. I even ordered some discount Viagra so I can keep it going all night. I think what really impressed them was my new university diploma, that I received for my lifelong accomplishments.
Gotta run, looks like someone just sent me a greeting card. Hope its one of the hot college chics. I still don't see what all the fuss is about...
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OpenSSL is not Free software.
BSD license qualifies as Free, according to the GNU project itself. So yes, OpenSSL is Free software.
Software doesn't have to be GPL to be free, even RMS openly admits it. GPL is just his favorite brand of "free", since its his.
yeah until its on 90% of desktops...then we'll see how secure it is
You miss the point entirely. OpenSSL have already been validated, and the source has been seen by thousands of other people. THAT is what makes it more secure. Its proven and open. OpenSSL isn't a "desktop", its a library for encryption. Its released under a BSD license, so Microsoft could include it in every copy of XP if it so chose to. Its not platform dependent.
And to further blow your smug theory away, any Unix like operating system will always be more secure than the current Windows systems by design. Its not an opinion, its a design choice that makes the software somewhat more difficult to use but gaining security. You CAN make a Unix like OS as insecure as a standard Windows install (hello Lindows) but you have to really try.
It would be nice if the "yea, wait until more people use Linux" had a clue what they were talking about, especially since has exactly NOTHING to do with Linux. Linus, to my knowledge, has not contributed to OpenSSL and it OpenSSL will work just fine with no need for Linux.
Since they are having to revalidate the same code others have already validated (albeit with some modifications) but its still a good thing to see DoD at least attempting to use my tax dollars smarter, by spending the time to formally validate open source software instead of buying proprietary software for hundreds of thousands of dollars, that contains basically the same code.
Any time the Govt. decides to use Free software instead of MS stuff, I also sleep better at night, for several reasons.
Actually, this is exactly the type of technology that I can see for home computing in the future. I would love to have one primary box at the house, and access the same box from the den, the kitchen, the office (in the house). Need longer cables, but would be quite efficient.
Yes, you can do xwindow clients, etc. but its not the same. Also, allowing the box to act as a house server is handy. Not counting the fact that maintenance is lower, file sharing is irrelevent, and having everything centralized is just handy all around. THIS, taken to the next level for ease of use, is the future for home computing, and some business use.
You have a good point. However, one could point out that there is currently not really a vendor out there who makes free drivers and neither is there one that really gives developers access to the relevant API's so they can write them. So the companies have the choice, but we don't.
I could have sworn ATI did.
Yes, because knowing the password means that you automatically know the IP address too, right?
Um, YES. You obviously have never admin'ed an apache web server. By default, it logs every IP, every request,
Yeah, a 47GB app. That'd be a snap to download.
Its not a 47GB app. The source is 44k, and the compiled binary is well under 1mb. If you bothered to check you would know that. That has nothing to do with the resources it uses when it is cranking.
If it's a production server that you can't afford to even reboot, maybe you shouldn't be giving the root password to some random website. Just a thought.
;)
Makes me wonder if the owners of the site:
1. Log you IP and submitted hash.
2. nmap the class C for port 22.
3. A rooting we will go.
There is no 4. Profit. This is slashdot, half the users don't have jobs, half don't have anything worth stealing, and the other 10% can't do math
or pass "linux 1" to the kernel, at least in RH. Also, what is this /bin/bah shell you speak of? Is it part of the humbug package? ;)
you dont get the same has from two different passwords. when you log in, your computer doesnt actually compare passwords, it compares the hash of the password you just entered to the hash of the previously stored password. This is why ROOT can't recover your password, and can only change it (unless they submit to this site, that is...)
if you could get the same hash from two different passwords, then you would have multiple passwords for every user on most Linux/Unix computers. The 42 answer was a joke, a movie reference. I forget the exact movie, but I remember the guy asked "what is the meaning of life" and the answer was 42. Problem being he didn't know the question it was calculated from. You had to be there I guess.
But don't cue a beowulf of goatse!
But closed source code does not have a place in a consumer kernel.
;) My concern is not if the kernel module is open or closed, as long as they comply with the GPL. Yes, I would prefer open source, but that should not disqualify the product from use by itself.
That is an opinion, but the entire NT/XP kernel is closed, so obviously there is a place for it
I understand not wanting binary only modules in the kernel, but then again, you can always buy an ATI card. You have a choice. If Linus were to decide that it was in violation of the GPL (he has stated that there could be a problem, and has never pursued it past that) then you would NOT have a choice, because NVidia has indicated that they have legal reasons for not releasing code.
Even if they DIDN'T have legal reasons, they could simply develop the drivers for the 90%+ of the Windows market and just drop all 5% of the Linux desktop market. This would not be advantagous for Linux users. I still maintain that in spite of my preferences, they have the RIGHT to choose how to license their own products, just as Linus does, Bill Gates does, and you do (if you write software, that is).
You exercise YOUR rights by choosing what products/licenses you want to accept. Your rights don't include telling other companies how to license their legal products. That is capalism, you vote with your dollars, you DON'T have the right to force legally compliant companies to do your will in any other way.
I agree with you! Closed source software has its places, just as open source software does.
I have been arguing this for years. Part of "Freedom" is choice, and having the choice to release your source code or not, just as I have the choice to use open or closed source applications. Abuse of a monopoly is not the same thing as closed source.
It is ironic that some (but not most) of the advocates of Open Source rail against anything that is not Free. This intolorance is why they get compared to "commies" and socialists, taking a position that "either software is Free or it should not exist". Fortunately, most of us who are Free software fans don't share their intolorant views.
If a company wants to keep their source closed and try to actually make money SELLING it, fine. If someone wants to make a Free version that does basically the same thing, even better, because then we have a choice, and the MARKETPLACE decides.
What is needed under Linux is basically the "quick start" feature which OpenOffice and Mozilla uses under Windows.
Most geeks I know (myself included) DISABLE the quickstart feature for all apps, including DirectCD, MS or O Office and every other resident app that isn't providing a needed service. We do NOT need more programs to sit and run while they are not being used. Having the VM use a resident program would require all clients to do that, which is a tall hill to climb, for a bad idea.
Resident would be fine, I guess, if you are developing and want a faster start time, but it gives you no idea on the true responsiveness of your application for the clients who will ultimately be using the app. I just don't like the idea of having yet more resident apps consuming memory and cpu on my Windows boxes, which is already bloated and slow enough. It seems like an ugly hack, even for Mozilla or Office.
Go install Suse 9.1 (what I suggested) and then express your opinion. Mine is based on using both operating systems equally, for many years. Obviously, your opinion is not.
You get what you would have to pay thousands for in software, for free, which is what any educational institution would want that is accepting old laptops with broken cdrom drives. And its as easy to install and configure as XP, just different. Your opinion of Linux is very dated, and no longer correct.
I don't hate any OS, I just use the right tool for the job. Sometimes it is Windows, sometimes it is Linux. In this instance, Linux would be the right tool, for a very used computer going to a 3rd world country.
I doubt such images would ever even be considered admissible by the courts if they were of such low quality.
This technology isn't even remotely designed for use in court. Its designed so you know that you need to pitch a grenade through a window before entering. Flashbang or frag, your choice.
The only police application is helping in apprehending someone, not proving they did anything. If you look outside and see the cops with one of these on your outside wall, you can bet they are already done gathering evidence.
So they've had self-tuning guitars for years now? And "the clapper" was around in the military for years before the "public admission" of the technology?!?! WHOA!
self tuning guitars have been around (mainly as individual prototypes) for many years.
And the military has had problems with the Clapper since WWII, even going as far as handing out condoms....
How the hell can the first post be redundant?
I guess the same way it was modded funny. Its actually good advice, which is why i said install Linux in previous post: so if they get other computers, they can use the same OS without breaking the law or paying money.
I am not sure how useful an old laptop with a defective cdrom drive will be, but here it is. If it can be plugged in at night, it seems it can plugged in at day and just used as a small desktop, btw, so I don't really focus on power.
;) This allows them to use Gimp, sound editing, video editing, web design, etc. or anything else and you don't have to know what their needs are in advance (which you probably can't do anyway).
;)
Linux as the OS (there are tons of language options), Open Office for docs, ALL the standard Linux games that come with typical distros to first expose the kids to computing and get them used to using a computer. Most dont use text, so language is irrelevant, and they teach basic thought skills. (Tux Racer may seem weird to them, watching a penguin belly flop on snow trying to catch herring is not a typical scene in Africa
Suse 9.1 (you can buy a home rolled copy on ebay for $10, shipping and all) is an EXCELLENT distro. 5 CDs and unreal amounts of software. Fedora is a decent choice as well. Choose to install all the extra games with Gnome as well.
One of the biggest advantages of using Linux instead of Windows is that they can copy it to other computers they get without breaking any laws, so everyone can use the same platform, making training and maintenance easier, and support is available in many languages from many people. Another advantage is the ability to have true multiple users on the system without the threat of screwing up someone elses files, and you can't delete the system files by accident if you are not root. (win9x is dangerous for newbs in that way).
The average win9x system comes with less than 300mb of software (200mb of it bloat), but you can install up to 4+ gigs of software from a good Linux distro, so its easier to prep the box and make it useful, using all Free software. Or you can install much less and still have a great system.
Also, using Linux, your gift is less likely to become a source of trojaned spam in the future
I think it can be argued that Windows + cygwin != Windows.
;) I have used Cygwin for a long time, and while it is pretty handy, it will not compile everything and has serious limitations. I still love it and find it useful, but its not a substitute for a Linux environment. You can run sshd in Cygwin, but there are still some limitations. Also, I find that PUTTY is easier to ssh and sftp with, rather than cygwin's ports of ssh and sftp. The Perl windows port is a bit handier than Perl in Cygwin also, for local machine tasks.
Well, it isn't exactly Lindows either
Cygwin is the next best thing to a Linux install, but it is far from being the same thing.
Now, under windows, what other option do you have besides opening all 300 photos in a photo editing program and issue the rescale command for each and every photo?
While I agree with your primary point, its not as hard in Windows as you state. Photoshop (yes, not free) can do hundreds of images using a batch function. Its not bad to setup, and works well enough, but not free. It is still not as easy as Linux, but it can be easily automated if you have the right software. Photoshop has had this feature for many years now. It works by doing the task to ALL images in a directory.
You can also batch any set of commands, such as change from RGB to CMYK or greyscale, +10 contrast, crop, change resolution, run a filter, etc. I would imagine this is used for some video work as well.
I think it's the reverse; Windows seems to be getting more POSIX-like with each release.
;)
Its all that code they licensed from SCO...
And still you get 97% spam and viri?
;)
Yea, sad isn't it? Our email addresses MUST be published (we sell stuff) so they are out there. Plus we don't bounce invalid addresses, instead using a catch-all (a pain but needed for us). Also, the majority of spam does NOT come from china/korea/russia, its just that I can easily get rid of 1/3 of the spam by blacklisting the IP blocks of those areas (have to accept mail in most of Europe, since we do business there)
Most spam / viruses come from the US, from major ISP with clients that are properly pwned via trojans. I can't blacklist comcast, pacbell, swbell, and other ISPs.
Also, we don't use email for hundreds of incoming messages. Most of our customers call us on the phone. The vast majority of our email is actually OUTGOING, sending shipping notices, etc. We are one of those weird companies that actually lets customers speak to a real person when they call
I used to report spam more diligently than I do now.
Same, but now I filter through and make sure I report all Comcast spam, since it may actually make a difference. I have definately seen a reduction in spam from comcast since the report. We receive many THOUSANDS of spam messages a day for less than two dozen email addresses over 2 domains. I don't even log virus hits anymore, they just delete. A couple hundred a day. I only report spam to known major ISPs. Over 97% of the traffic at our mail server is spam or viruses. Sad.
Regarding chinese/russian/korean spam, I just block several thousand class B IP blocks. Yes, this is not the best method, but then again, since I don't email anyone in China, etc, perhaps it is.
Also, any domain that sends spam, and doesn't have an abuse@ address is blacklisted instantly. Several small ISPs fit into this catagory. I will NOT fill out a form on a fucking web page to report spam. No abuse@, no access.
optonline and adelphia seem to be the worst about not responding to spam, and verizon is the WORST. God I hate them, for so many reasons. I have the least problems/repeats with spam from rr.com and aol.com, ironically.
...trust me, this is a bad idea.
Considering the amount of claims I have had to file with UPS, this looks like an infinite loop.
You order, it arrives broken, you return to UPS to fix, they fix, they send to you and break it on the way, you send it back, they fix, repeat ad nausium. Eventually, your warranty expires, and then. PROFIT! (sorry in advance)
I believe a home visit by a cattle-prod wielding Company Representative would also do the trick, and I'm sure myself and other recipients of offers such as "Increase Your Penis Size While Improving Your Search Engine Placings On Google" would willingly fund this if neccessary.
I don't know about you, but I have been responding to all the "Increase your Penis" ads, and now my wang is so big, I had to buy new pants. Thanks to all those guys in Africa, I have more money in my bank account than I could hope for. I used it to buy stocks based on tips that these guys have been sending me, and have doubled my money in a week every time. Of course, it doesn't really matter, because I am buying software for 80% off retail, get people sending me really cool screen savers for free, and refinanced my home at unheard of interest rates.
Now I'm getting tons of email from girls that want me to meet them and their coed girlfriends, so the new, bigger penis will come in handy. I even ordered some discount Viagra so I can keep it going all night. I think what really impressed them was my new university diploma, that I received for my lifelong accomplishments.
Gotta run, looks like someone just sent me a greeting card. Hope its one of the hot college chics. I still don't see what all the fuss is about...