yes, it should, greatly.
if youre an unemployed web developer, offer to make "phatty" homepages for your friends.
if youre a c coder, write a linux app.
if youre a java coder, write a buncha javabeans.
having hard-coded to submit to an employer is a good thing.
being a young person, i had no problem taking a internship at my _current_ job. i was an intern for one summer..that next summer i transferred to a new private school... i became their sys&netadmin b/c of my "professional" experience in a "high secuirty environment". see, my internship was at a major finacnial company, where i worked with peoples credit and personal information on a mainframe database. not abusing the information that i had access to, along with me proven technical skills, convinced my computer teach/head of computer dept. to hire me (pay for half of my $20/yr - mind you this is still highschool - tuition bill) as a net&sysadmin.
this job at school landed me a new job that ill be starting in september as a sysadmin.
starting small works...quickly too. you just gotta build trust in people, thats all.
point taken but i never said i agreed. in fact, i think its a shame thats what employment comes down to.
however, i can't say i didn't get my _new_ job without a very nice recommendation from a current employee. but then again i've gotten several other job offers asking my to relocated, which i was willing to do... from companies who didn't know what i looked like, or who i knew. er..something.
but you proved my point in saying... you have more *skill* than your peers with the same peice of paper... you probably would deserve the job over someone with a CS degree from an ivy who managed to pass the coursework just by imitating everything the professor did. doesn't mean he (or she.. i of all people shouldnt be sexist)_understands_ computer technology.
like, you can memorize almost anything, but it doesn't mean you understand it. man, i should take some more english classes. i seem to have a hard time communicating my point within one post.
i read a good middle bulk of it, skimmed the whole thing (basically)... and i got the jist of what they were saying...and found ymself in disagreement. is this a suggestion for me to go back and read the whole damn thing in detail?
My cousin, for example, was jealous of my "techieness" (geekiness?) and decided she'd switch majors to CS. On the surface, she appears to know what shes tlaking about. She can give you the syntactical term for any keyword in c/c++/vc++. She knows that SQL="sequel" and she knows that javabeans!=java coffee!=javascript.
Her being a cute, young female, this throws MANY of my male friends off track. They get all airheaded and start drooling. But hello... she couldn't understand an application walkthrough or debug logic if her job depended on it (I've saved her ass many times). Sure she knows syntax, but theres not heart behind it.
I'm still a firm believer that I dont have much to learn from a CS major.
But I think the point is there is a shortage of skilled programmers. I know 200+ programmers in my very limited circle of aquaintences...of which I would only trust 3-5 to work for me. Plenty of people can copy and paste code together...very few have a deep understanding of what it takes to develop an appllication for full integration into a network.
its all about skill, skill, skill.
Knowing syntax doesn't count!!! You gotta understand WTF yer doing. Just coz you have a CS degree doesn't mean jack, IMHO.
The company I recently took a job at was more impressed with the fact that I can pick up new languages and learn new technologies quickly, rather than my extreme expertise in one area. I am not looking to get hired because I know the birthdate of the mother of Linus' dog. Get it?
Its a shame when I see so many schools teaching "hands on/technical programming" in their Computer Science courses... IMHO and experience, teaching CS with an "algorithmic" approach is much more effective.
Technology comes and goes, we're in a time of innovation, do you really want to spend so much time and energy into knowing every bit of detail, when you could be building other, more useful skills?
Having a lot of "linux geek" friends, I used to get yelled at a lot to "RTFM" (read the effin manual). Well, I'd say keep this in mind when applying for a job. You can always RTFM. You don't need to know every specific of everything. You need to be able to, and be comfortable with learning new things.
Cheesy quote, but true:"Its not the quickest, or smartest animals that succeed.. but the ones who adapt the quickest." - I think it was Darwin.
I have a 486 and a 386 that I still use. Dont diss the old school...still viable.:P
Heh, maybe when I decide to retire my old hardware, they should set up a service. I could sign a doner card in their names (serial numbers?) that has check boxes for which peices you'd like to donate.... or all.
Uhm, for the work I've done, I usually design for browsers released by or after 1995. Anyone using technology older than that needs to upgrade. They really are the minority of webbrowsers and it is a waste of resources (time & money) to develop a seperate site for them. Most other web developers I know will agree to this. While we (the wd'sm I know) focus most energy on the mainstream technologies support (CCS, DHTML) in the current DOM versions, a few of us do make an effort to make our sites readable by almost any browerser, even ones with . s suck anyway:P
change your sig to "I put the dot in slashdot.com" or something to at least resemble the cisco commercial (or whatever company did that commercial..i dont watch much TV..)
I think its a consipiracy. Had they programed it to play Mozart, maybe Windows user's IQs would have gone up and they would stop using MSPOS. But Billy boy prollie paid the developers off anyway...
I'll disagree feverishly. As a longtime java coder, I most definatly prefer c++ over java. Although java may be..uhm.. quicker? simpler? to code, if youre doing more advanced stuff, it simply doesn't keep up. Not to mention debugging is the most tedious of all battles (sitting there for 3 minutes while JVM loads an applet between revisions is _not_ my idea of productive). I just find c++ much more efficient - unless you only type about 20 wpm, and are looking for syntax shortcuts -=> "lamer" >:P
Although this may not be useful to most of you, I'll post my reply for the sake of procrastinating working on my _own_ code. I found myself, ever since I was 12, unable to code without headphones on/speakers blaring techno/junge/gabber (loud, fast, "electronic" music) with the lights dim. Maybe its some sort of techie fantasy - losing yourself in a world of 1s, 0s, fuzzy logic, and pixles. To get myself "in the mood," I just remind myself exactly how incredibly cool a computer, and all technology involved, is! (Yes, I'm a geek, a passionate one at that). Coding is a powerful thing; you can be very productive, or very wasteful. Reminding yourself about why you even took up the IT business in the first place should help. To me, theres nothing better than losing yourself in your code. I ignore everything: phone, icq messages, AIM, IRC queries, email notifications, EVERYTHING. I turn the music on, turn the lights down low, set my resolution to 1012414k x 1241515k (heh) and get to work. *shrug!*
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;) atta boy...
I think it is...isn't it? oh its not? damnit. no, just kidding I agree.
okay boys and girls thats what we call a waste of bandwidth and hd space. i'll just go ahead and shoot myself in the foot now.
no really, i'm way too tired. ill just shut up...and close this dmaned webbrowser. nuff posting for the day.
if youre an unemployed web developer, offer to make "phatty" homepages for your friends.
if youre a c coder, write a linux app.
if youre a java coder, write a buncha javabeans.
having hard-coded to submit to an employer is a good thing.
being a young person, i had no problem taking a internship at my _current_ job. i was an intern for one summer..that next summer i transferred to a new private school... i became their sys&netadmin b/c of my "professional" experience in a "high secuirty environment". see, my internship was at a major finacnial company, where i worked with peoples credit and personal information on a mainframe database. not abusing the information that i had access to, along with me proven technical skills, convinced my computer teach/head of computer dept. to hire me (pay for half of my $20/yr - mind you this is still highschool - tuition bill) as a net&sysadmin.
this job at school landed me a new job that ill be starting in september as a sysadmin.
starting small works...quickly too. you just gotta build trust in people, thats all.
however, i can't say i didn't get my _new_ job without a very nice recommendation from a current employee. but then again i've gotten several other job offers asking my to relocated, which i was willing to do... from companies who didn't know what i looked like, or who i knew. er..something.
like, you can memorize almost anything, but it doesn't mean you understand it. man, i should take some more english classes. i seem to have a hard time communicating my point within one post.
i read a good middle bulk of it, skimmed the whole thing (basically)... and i got the jist of what they were saying...and found ymself in disagreement. is this a suggestion for me to go back and read the whole damn thing in detail?
Her being a cute, young female, this throws MANY of my male friends off track. They get all airheaded and start drooling. But hello... she couldn't understand an application walkthrough or debug logic if her job depended on it (I've saved her ass many times). Sure she knows syntax, but theres not heart behind it.
I'm still a firm believer that I dont have much to learn from a CS major.
its all about skill, skill, skill.
Knowing syntax doesn't count!!! You gotta understand WTF yer doing. Just coz you have a CS degree doesn't mean jack, IMHO.
The company I recently took a job at was more impressed with the fact that I can pick up new languages and learn new technologies quickly, rather than my extreme expertise in one area. I am not looking to get hired because I know the birthdate of the mother of Linus' dog. Get it?
Its a shame when I see so many schools teaching "hands on/technical programming" in their Computer Science courses... IMHO and experience, teaching CS with an "algorithmic" approach is much more effective.
Technology comes and goes, we're in a time of innovation, do you really want to spend so much time and energy into knowing every bit of detail, when you could be building other, more useful skills?
Having a lot of "linux geek" friends, I used to get yelled at a lot to "RTFM" (read the effin manual). Well, I'd say keep this in mind when applying for a job. You can always RTFM. You don't need to know every specific of everything. You need to be able to, and be comfortable with learning new things.
Cheesy quote, but true: "Its not the quickest, or smartest animals that succeed.. but the ones who adapt the quickest." - I think it was Darwin.
Over and out.
for those who dunno wot im talking about, read some tolekin, if you're a geek, you'd most likely like his works.
Heh, maybe when I decide to retire my old hardware, they should set up a service. I could sign a doner card in their names (serial numbers?) that has check boxes for which peices you'd like to donate.... or all.
oh man..someone find me a new job.
bitter much? yes.
I'll disagree feverishly. As a longtime java coder, I most definatly prefer c++ over java. Although java may be ..uhm.. quicker? simpler? to code, if youre doing more advanced stuff, it simply doesn't keep up. Not to mention debugging is the most tedious of all battles (sitting there for 3 minutes while JVM loads an applet between revisions is _not_ my idea of productive). I just find c++ much more efficient - unless you only type about 20 wpm, and are looking for syntax shortcuts -=> "lamer" >:P
Although this may not be useful to most of you, I'll post my reply for the sake of procrastinating working on my _own_ code.
I found myself, ever since I was 12, unable to code without headphones on/speakers blaring techno/junge/gabber (loud, fast, "electronic" music) with the lights dim. Maybe its some sort of techie fantasy - losing yourself in a world of 1s, 0s, fuzzy logic, and pixles. To get myself "in the mood," I just remind myself exactly how incredibly cool a computer, and all technology involved, is! (Yes, I'm a geek, a passionate one at that). Coding is a powerful thing; you can be very productive, or very wasteful. Reminding yourself about why you even took up the IT business in the first place should help.
To me, theres nothing better than losing yourself in your code. I ignore everything: phone, icq messages, AIM, IRC queries, email notifications, EVERYTHING. I turn the music on, turn the lights down low, set my resolution to 1012414k x 1241515k (heh) and get to work.
*shrug!*