Re:Where's the outrage for the other crap going on
on
Sklyarov Indicted
·
· Score: 1
Hey, what do you know? Before I was a geek I was an art student. Maybe that explains why I'm one of the only ones not posting sob stories day in and day out about how my CDs have copyright protection or I can't read my eBook while I'm driving on the interstate and keep my real copy safe at home. There are more important things in life than knowing and having it all... especially "stuff that matters."
Errr.... must get new computer.... *bash* NO! Must go paint!
Re:Where's the outrage for the other crap going on
on
Sklyarov Indicted
·
· Score: 1
terroristed == terrorized.
Now I'm even starting to TALK like the leader of this place.:) Time to figure out what I can do without in this world... instead of what I "can't live without."
Re:Where's the outrage for the other crap going on
on
Sklyarov Indicted
·
· Score: 1
It's because we're capitalists. We believe everything should belong to us in mass quantities. I'm not afraid to admit it, I want mass quantities of many things.
Since it affects our ability to acquire we care. If it affects the environment, children, the low income, the terroristed, we don't give a rats ass. What a society, eh?
Buying a book on your desktop is legal. But you don't do that with this tool. As for everything else you said: reading it on a laptop is legal, providing you don't manipulate another company's copyrighted work to do it. Backing it up is legal, providing you don't manipulate another company's copyrighted work to do it. Etc. and etc. The thing is, none of those other things are legal, because you have to manipulate the eBook format to do it. Do you claim the eBook file format to be yours? It belongs to Adobe and is given under special agreement to publishers. Modifying the eBook format is expressly what the tool is for. That's not just one of the things it does, that's the ONLY thing it does. So what can you do with it that's legal?
Thank you... I was just going to say something smart ass about "ok, so they made a cannon that can fire things at Mach 7.1," but you've shown the fact that they were launching a engine bullet out of this case rather than a rock or a cheese log actually made some difference.
I was thinking... wow, nice cannon. Now I'm wowing in concurance with your wow. O...K... time to go to bed.
Gah! Forgot my last sentance. "And Dimitry's software, sold on the internet, is a service that lets you do exactly that. Now what was the legal side of this?"
"If there are legal things to do with the tool, then you don't ban the tool and you don't ban the person who came up with the tool,"
What legal things can you do with this tool?
I know this post is going to get slapped down faster than a burger on a grill but the publishers of eBooks hold the copyright on the book itself... the digital wrapping of someone else's text... and fair use or no they have ultimate say over what formats it can be retransmitted and reporposed in. If they produce a file with blocks in it that prevent copying, and you cirmcumvent those blocks, it's no different than taking someone's written word, rewriting parts of the text, and then giving it to other people. Modifying someone's own work and handing it out without attributing the owner, my friends, is not fair use.
As long as Beowulf clusters have been around people have been doing this. In a homebrew system made from varying types and qualities of hardware, are you seriously going to have each node doing the exactly the same task? No... you write your program (and Beowulfs are ALL in the programming) so that each node does what it's best suited for. The node with the big hard drive stores the data, the fast machine gets twice as many work units, the slow machine is devoted to taking user input or receving the end result, etc. To do otherwise would be, well, stupid. The weak link in the system would slow the whole thing down.
Creating job classes in a homegeneous cluster is just as useful. I seem to remember someone working on The Collective project at the University of Idaho was doing this with a genetic application. This cluster is pretty close to being homogeneous.
If you visit the site, the Borg penguins are my handiwork.:)
Can someone explain why anyone would want to put the wonderful graphics hardware in a PS2 to use displaying inherently ugly X windows? I much prefer the sunrays in GT3.:)
Quite wrong. Yes, you know your house can be broken into, no matter how much the realtor insists that it's a safe neighborhood, that the alarm works well, etc. As a homeowner it's still your responsibility to take steps to ensure that your house doesn't get robbed. You test your locks, your alarm. You buy insurance just in case something does happen. Read: you are not an idiot. But as a homebuyer you still have to accept that fact that ANY home can be broken into... no home can be made well enough that it can NOT be broken into.
The sysadmins didn't test the lock, didn't buy insurance... they just took the realtor at his word. The only ones with responsibility for a resulting break-in are the owner of the system and the criminals who break in. It has little to do with the house, because houses can be broken into. And so can (any, not just MS) complex software.
Damn, man, don't you think MS knows that? Where open source has its righteous sensibilities Microsoft has vicious media sensibilities.
They KNOW if personal data gets compromised that they'll be in deep doodoo with the average user. I think they'll do almost anything to keep that particular feature secure... including not implementing it to the extent that the ".NET buzz" suggests it will be. Hailstorm is more hype than fact, especially from what I've seen working with the.NET beta components. It's just not there. It's not going to be anything more than Hotmail and MSN are now... because it's too much risk for MS to bear with their public.
What are you talking about? Don't the banking sites you use do SSL? Sending this kind of information over a watched wireless connection is not analgous to posting your card # for the world to see... not any more than it was when you passed it over a wire. Now, handing your credit card to a waiter on the other hand...
Too late, MS beat you to that idea.:) (A first?) That's part of how.NET works... two versions of the same assembly (a replacement for "normal" DLLs) are allowed to be contained within the global assembly cache, with the same filename, but different version #s and possibly different contents. Checksums are used to verify that the assemblies are what they say they are.
Oh BTW, I was talking about a cluster intended for parallel computing... in reference to the article, which is also about a parallel computing (Appleseed) machine/cluster/array. I was trying to demonstrate that the points the poster made about this NOT being a "cluster" in the sense of the word can be solved in the parallel world with APIs... because a Beowulf's programming IS its behavior, for the most part. And through programming you can make it behave in the desired ways when it's running your program! (And wouldn't an API on top of an API be great for that!)
I wonder if someone should do some work with the MPI API to add those features? A layer on top of MPI that does the things we do through programming would be really nice.:)
I worked on a Beowulf "array" last semester, and I beg to differ. In fact, our Beowulf has all the features and capabilities you mention. Many of them arrise in the ways you use the parallel API (in our case, MPICH) to build software. Others are directly supported by the Scyld Beowulf Linux distribution.
Distributed Lock Manager: locks can be simulated with certain types of MPI messages.
Cluster-wide File System: use MPI to pass data back and forth between nodes, including instructions on where to write the data. Not only is there a cluster-wide file system, it's a customizeable cluster-wide file system!
Process control: Scyld's bproc allows all processes to appear as if they are running on the master node. You can also move processes between nodes transparently with this.
Connection manager: Scyld provides this to some degree. You can do remote shutdown/startup of nodes or groups of nodes.
Shared System Disk: well, nodes bootstrap from thier own drives, but download a new kernal image from the master node on bootup. They also pull down libraries from the masternode on bootup.
Single security and management domain: permissions are the same on the slave nodes as they are on the master. But the slave nodes are truely compute nodes, and permissions there matter little, except for data files.
Cluster wide process control: you said it. Beowulfs do it.
Mixed Architecture: what you can do depends on your cluster. For a mixed Mac/Alpha/x86 cluster, you'd have to have different executables for each node. I'm sure there's Beowulf software that lets you do this, but for ours we don't need it (all Athlons.)
Rolling Upgrade Support: yup. Acually, with Scyld, if you reboot a node, it will come back up with the newest configuration, imaged off the master node.
Parallel IO support: simulated/managed through MPI pretty easily. Set up "IO" nodes and let them handle it.
Interconnect failover: networking on a Beowulf is up to you. We use a high-performance switch and some channel bonding. It can be done.
High-end scaling: Beowulf? "OK?" Have you ever heard of ASCI-Red?
Load Balancing: ours does round robin scheduling of jobs, but it usually doesn't utilize the higher number nodes unless you run a job that requests a large number of nodes. We wish for better control, but this works pretty well.
Cluster Alias: yeah, what you said.:)
Anyway, the URL for our machine is http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/thecollective. It's up to 64 nodes right now, even though I don't think the site mentions that.
It's the school district's job to hand out a common punishment, a suspension, to students who willfully break rules. The didn't pass the type of judgement you are trying to pass on them. If they had done so perhaps they would feel the remorse that you wish upon them. But they didn't. You seem quite willing to be a punisher of those who you don't know. Perhaps you should enjoy your dreams instead.
He he, quite true. I was thinking more of the desktop type apps in IBM's case, like Lotus Notes. The most important thing to note is that IBM can provide a total solution for certain parts of government, including both open source and close source software... and they have the know-how to back it up, so that government can stay small.
It is not safe for any government to run software which it does not know how it operates
That's why they let big iron companies like IBM help them do it.
It's a joke to think that a park ranger or a 10 pt. veteran that was pushed into a computer management job because of government budget slashing is going to look at the source code. We'd have RedHat base installs running on crucial servers, without patching, leaking sensitve data to the world.
As for people having access to the software, what do you expect? That they let you stop by the office to use Word? You payed for governmental vehicles too, do you expect you should be able to drive them?
Corporations may not always be good, but they get the job done better than a stripped to the bone government who can't pay IT people a decent wage can!
Where would the tech support come from? The goverment would have to figure out a way to hire knowledgeable people to deal with this free software in a secure, dependable manner. The government can't do this BECAUSE of tax cuts. I think the need for smaller government outweighs the need to play around with free software.
Would you rather have IBM technical support and hardware behind your data, or a person who was hired as a park ranger but got pushed into a computer job because of budget cuts? A person who thinks that running a standard RedHat install as high-priority high-security server is OK? Heh.
A handheld that has/needs the ps command is not a very productive tool. 10 minutes with a Palm and you're setting up your weekly schedule in the calendar. 10 minutes with an Adenda and you're slaying processes?:)
Sure. Let's expand this beyond a humancentric view of culture and time, though. If there is a God, why would that god worry about how many times one out of billions of planets rotated during the creation period? It just doesn't matter. The Bible was written for a human perspective, by humans, oh, 2000 years or so ago. "God days" is probably just a nice rounded figure.:)
As for my other "poop," look at it from the same perspective. There's no bending here, no tricks. It's a matter of perspective. If we are an ultimate creation of God (as the Bible usually implies we are,) wouldn't that God *want* us to explore our reality instead of sit and stagnate? Even the most devout followers of the Bible would agree with that. What good would a 5000 page tome on amino acids and big bangs do us? Where would be the room for growth, the room for self improvement, the room for learn? The best statement that could be put in the Bible to describe the beginning is "let there be light"... now it's up to us, if we're willing, to figure out what kind of light that was, the center of its origin, and how long ago in dorky earth spins that was.
With fantastic tools and ideas like Hubble, genetic research, and computers we are exploring our reality. This is our best destiny... I say here's to 11 more years of Hubble (and I hope we come up with something that can get even better pictures soon...)
Interesting... that was an idea I came up with on my own (see first post to this thread.)
Although many may say I'm wrong, I don't think that the evolutionism and creationism are mutually exclusive. For something as fundamental as the difference between the big bang and "poof, in 6 days it all just showed up," all that matters is what your definition of a day is. A valid bit of symbolism (assuming that God is all powerful and has control of silly things like days as well as space,) blow every scientific theory against all religion out of the water.
The Bible is a horribly confining book if taken 100% literally... it's not a scientific text book... but if we all apply those "scientific" minds we value and think about deeper meanings, I think we'll all find more correlations between the Bible and what we find with tools like Hubble in nature than we'd like to believe. In my case (and it looks like a few other peoples' cases too,) I'm glad to see the coorelation! You too can stand on both sides of the fence!
More food for thought, for those of you who know some basic Bible stories: what exactly is a rib? Can it be a particularly shaped protein? Does the Bible explictly say Adam and Eve are people? Doesn't "let there be light" sound an awful lot like one of the bigger explosions you could think of?
I suppose you should check your facts as well... as far as I know the Bible puts no year figure on the time the universe was created. It does mention the 6 days of creation...
For God, how long is a day? I think He left that up to us to try to figure out. Go Hubble!
Slashdot Mirror
Hey, what do you know? Before I was a geek I was an art student. Maybe that explains why I'm one of the only ones not posting sob stories day in and day out about how my CDs have copyright protection or I can't read my eBook while I'm driving on the interstate and keep my real copy safe at home. There are more important things in life than knowing and having it all... especially "stuff that matters."
Errr.... must get new computer.... *bash* NO! Must go paint!
terroristed == terrorized.
:) Time to figure out what I can do without in this world... instead of what I "can't live without."
Now I'm even starting to TALK like the leader of this place.
It's because we're capitalists. We believe everything should belong to us in mass quantities. I'm not afraid to admit it, I want mass quantities of many things.
Since it affects our ability to acquire we care. If it affects the environment, children, the low income, the terroristed, we don't give a rats ass. What a society, eh?
Buying a book on your desktop is legal. But you don't do that with this tool. As for everything else you said: reading it on a laptop is legal, providing you don't manipulate another company's copyrighted work to do it. Backing it up is legal, providing you don't manipulate another company's copyrighted work to do it. Etc. and etc. The thing is, none of those other things are legal, because you have to manipulate the eBook format to do it. Do you claim the eBook file format to be yours? It belongs to Adobe and is given under special agreement to publishers. Modifying the eBook format is expressly what the tool is for. That's not just one of the things it does, that's the ONLY thing it does. So what can you do with it that's legal?
Thank you... I was just going to say something smart ass about "ok, so they made a cannon that can fire things at Mach 7.1," but you've shown the fact that they were launching a engine bullet out of this case rather than a rock or a cheese log actually made some difference.
I was thinking... wow, nice cannon. Now I'm wowing in concurance with your wow. O...K... time to go to bed.
Gah! Forgot my last sentance. "And Dimitry's software, sold on the internet, is a service that lets you do exactly that. Now what was the legal side of this?"
From the AP story:
"If there are legal things to do with the tool, then you don't ban the tool and you don't ban the person who came up with the tool,"
What legal things can you do with this tool?
I know this post is going to get slapped down faster than a burger on a grill but the publishers of eBooks hold the copyright on the book itself... the digital wrapping of someone else's text... and fair use or no they have ultimate say over what formats it can be retransmitted and reporposed in. If they produce a file with blocks in it that prevent copying, and you cirmcumvent those blocks, it's no different than taking someone's written word, rewriting parts of the text, and then giving it to other people. Modifying someone's own work and handing it out without attributing the owner, my friends, is not fair use.
As long as Beowulf clusters have been around people have been doing this. In a homebrew system made from varying types and qualities of hardware, are you seriously going to have each node doing the exactly the same task? No... you write your program (and Beowulfs are ALL in the programming) so that each node does what it's best suited for. The node with the big hard drive stores the data, the fast machine gets twice as many work units, the slow machine is devoted to taking user input or receving the end result, etc. To do otherwise would be, well, stupid. The weak link in the system would slow the whole thing down.
:)
Creating job classes in a homegeneous cluster is just as useful. I seem to remember someone working on The Collective project at the University of Idaho was doing this with a genetic application. This cluster is pretty close to being homogeneous.
If you visit the site, the Borg penguins are my handiwork.
Can someone explain why anyone would want to put the wonderful graphics hardware in a PS2 to use displaying inherently ugly X windows? I much prefer the sunrays in GT3. :)
Quite wrong. Yes, you know your house can be broken into, no matter how much the realtor insists that it's a safe neighborhood, that the alarm works well, etc. As a homeowner it's still your responsibility to take steps to ensure that your house doesn't get robbed. You test your locks, your alarm. You buy insurance just in case something does happen. Read: you are not an idiot. But as a homebuyer you still have to accept that fact that ANY home can be broken into... no home can be made well enough that it can NOT be broken into.
The sysadmins didn't test the lock, didn't buy insurance... they just took the realtor at his word. The only ones with responsibility for a resulting break-in are the owner of the system and the criminals who break in. It has little to do with the house, because houses can be broken into. And so can (any, not just MS) complex software.
Damn, man, don't you think MS knows that? Where open source has its righteous sensibilities Microsoft has vicious media sensibilities.
.NET beta components. It's just not there. It's not going to be anything more than Hotmail and MSN are now... because it's too much risk for MS to bear with their public.
They KNOW if personal data gets compromised that they'll be in deep doodoo with the average user. I think they'll do almost anything to keep that particular feature secure... including not implementing it to the extent that the ".NET buzz" suggests it will be. Hailstorm is more hype than fact, especially from what I've seen working with the
What are you talking about? Don't the banking sites you use do SSL? Sending this kind of information over a watched wireless connection is not analgous to posting your card # for the world to see... not any more than it was when you passed it over a wire. Now, handing your credit card to a waiter on the other hand...
Too late, MS beat you to that idea. :) (A first?) That's part of how .NET works... two versions of the same assembly (a replacement for "normal" DLLs) are allowed to be contained within the global assembly cache, with the same filename, but different version #s and possibly different contents. Checksums are used to verify that the assemblies are what they say they are.
Oh BTW, I was talking about a cluster intended for parallel computing... in reference to the article, which is also about a parallel computing (Appleseed) machine/cluster/array. I was trying to demonstrate that the points the poster made about this NOT being a "cluster" in the sense of the word can be solved in the parallel world with APIs... because a Beowulf's programming IS its behavior, for the most part. And through programming you can make it behave in the desired ways when it's running your program! (And wouldn't an API on top of an API be great for that!)
I wonder if someone should do some work with the MPI API to add those features? A layer on top of MPI that does the things we do through programming would be really nice. :)
- Distributed Lock Manager: locks can be simulated with certain types of MPI messages.
- Cluster-wide File System: use MPI to pass data back and forth between nodes, including instructions on where to write the data. Not only is there a cluster-wide file system, it's a customizeable cluster-wide file system!
- Process control: Scyld's bproc allows all processes to appear as if they are running on the master node. You can also move processes between nodes transparently with this.
- Connection manager: Scyld provides this to some degree. You can do remote shutdown/startup of nodes or groups of nodes.
- Shared System Disk: well, nodes bootstrap from thier own drives, but download a new kernal image from the master node on bootup. They also pull down libraries from the masternode on bootup.
- Single security and management domain: permissions are the same on the slave nodes as they are on the master. But the slave nodes are truely compute nodes, and permissions there matter little, except for data files.
- Cluster wide process control: you said it. Beowulfs do it.
- Mixed Architecture: what you can do depends on your cluster. For a mixed Mac/Alpha/x86 cluster, you'd have to have different executables for each node. I'm sure there's Beowulf software that lets you do this, but for ours we don't need it (all Athlons.)
- Rolling Upgrade Support: yup. Acually, with Scyld, if you reboot a node, it will come back up with the newest configuration, imaged off the master node.
- Parallel IO support: simulated/managed through MPI pretty easily. Set up "IO" nodes and let them handle it.
- Interconnect failover: networking on a Beowulf is up to you. We use a high-performance switch and some channel bonding. It can be done.
- High-end scaling: Beowulf? "OK?" Have you ever heard of ASCI-Red?
- Load Balancing: ours does round robin scheduling of jobs, but it usually doesn't utilize the higher number nodes unless you run a job that requests a large number of nodes. We wish for better control, but this works pretty well.
- Cluster Alias: yeah, what you said.
:)
Anyway, the URL for our machine is http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/thecollective. It's up to 64 nodes right now, even though I don't think the site mentions that.It's the school district's job to hand out a common punishment, a suspension, to students who willfully break rules. The didn't pass the type of judgement you are trying to pass on them. If they had done so perhaps they would feel the remorse that you wish upon them. But they didn't. You seem quite willing to be a punisher of those who you don't know. Perhaps you should enjoy your dreams instead.
ANKLE POOR? PORK ALONE? LEAK PORNO? Obviously Frank was an unhealthy, lonely SOB. How that parallels Odysseus I don't know...
Actually, I think I heard something about "rank poole" itself having meaning, yah know, a stinky pool. Sorry, can't help you on this one.
He he, quite true. I was thinking more of the desktop type apps in IBM's case, like Lotus Notes. The most important thing to note is that IBM can provide a total solution for certain parts of government, including both open source and close source software... and they have the know-how to back it up, so that government can stay small.
You said it...
It is not safe for any government to run software which it does not know how it operates
That's why they let big iron companies like IBM help them do it.
It's a joke to think that a park ranger or a 10 pt. veteran that was pushed into a computer management job because of government budget slashing is going to look at the source code. We'd have RedHat base installs running on crucial servers, without patching, leaking sensitve data to the world.
As for people having access to the software, what do you expect? That they let you stop by the office to use Word? You payed for governmental vehicles too, do you expect you should be able to drive them?
Corporations may not always be good, but they get the job done better than a stripped to the bone government who can't pay IT people a decent wage can!
Where would the tech support come from? The goverment would have to figure out a way to hire knowledgeable people to deal with this free software in a secure, dependable manner. The government can't do this BECAUSE of tax cuts. I think the need for smaller government outweighs the need to play around with free software.
Would you rather have IBM technical support and hardware behind your data, or a person who was hired as a park ranger but got pushed into a computer job because of budget cuts? A person who thinks that running a standard RedHat install as high-priority high-security server is OK? Heh.
I think CmdrTaco's statement says it all
:)
I turned it off to get stuff done
A handheld that has/needs the ps command is not a very productive tool. 10 minutes with a Palm and you're setting up your weekly schedule in the calendar. 10 minutes with an Adenda and you're slaying processes?
Sure. Let's expand this beyond a humancentric view of culture and time, though. If there is a God, why would that god worry about how many times one out of billions of planets rotated during the creation period? It just doesn't matter. The Bible was written for a human perspective, by humans, oh, 2000 years or so ago. "God days" is probably just a nice rounded figure. :)
As for my other "poop," look at it from the same perspective. There's no bending here, no tricks. It's a matter of perspective. If we are an ultimate creation of God (as the Bible usually implies we are,) wouldn't that God *want* us to explore our reality instead of sit and stagnate? Even the most devout followers of the Bible would agree with that. What good would a 5000 page tome on amino acids and big bangs do us? Where would be the room for growth, the room for self improvement, the room for learn? The best statement that could be put in the Bible to describe the beginning is "let there be light"... now it's up to us, if we're willing, to figure out what kind of light that was, the center of its origin, and how long ago in dorky earth spins that was.
With fantastic tools and ideas like Hubble, genetic research, and computers we are exploring our reality. This is our best destiny... I say here's to 11 more years of Hubble (and I hope we come up with something that can get even better pictures soon...)
Interesting... that was an idea I came up with on my own (see first post to this thread.)
Although many may say I'm wrong, I don't think that the evolutionism and creationism are mutually exclusive. For something as fundamental as the difference between the big bang and "poof, in 6 days it all just showed up," all that matters is what your definition of a day is. A valid bit of symbolism (assuming that God is all powerful and has control of silly things like days as well as space,) blow every scientific theory against all religion out of the water.
The Bible is a horribly confining book if taken 100% literally... it's not a scientific text book... but if we all apply those "scientific" minds we value and think about deeper meanings, I think we'll all find more correlations between the Bible and what we find with tools like Hubble in nature than we'd like to believe. In my case (and it looks like a few other peoples' cases too,) I'm glad to see the coorelation! You too can stand on both sides of the fence!
More food for thought, for those of you who know some basic Bible stories: what exactly is a rib? Can it be a particularly shaped protein? Does the Bible explictly say Adam and Eve are people? Doesn't "let there be light" sound an awful lot like one of the bigger explosions you could think of?
I suppose you should check your facts as well... as far as I know the Bible puts no year figure on the time the universe was created. It does mention the 6 days of creation...
For God, how long is a day? I think He left that up to us to try to figure out. Go Hubble!