What sh*t, da*n, various mumblings? Still electronic media suffers from degredation over time. Printed books have lasted for several hundreds of years in readable condition.
My power goes out or I am in a remote area (rural tibet) and have to do some research with the indigenous peoples and get some of the reading done. Electronic readers? Fat chance!!!
What is strikingly similar to this is the PADD device on star trek (Personal Access Display Device). Those things are basically cheap and readily avaible as well in their world. I would never justify spending $500+ on anything just to avoid buying even the most expensive of hard cover books (maybe $300 at the most) until the cost of palm pilots comes down or the readers are cheaper I will not really care.
This reminds me of a supreme court case decision (can't exactly remember which but dealing with the 1st ammendment) which states that we should tolerate free speech for all even the speech we hate. More than likely no one will ever topple the empires of microsoft or other companies and completely discredit linux and OSS. What could happen to hurt it a little is something like this--- Bill Gates or some powerful person hires a group of terrorists from a country with an unstable government and radical ideology and instructs them on comming to a major event like Linux World or something where 90% of the developers are located. Using Anthrax or some other method or biological or chemical warfare they assasinate (in a devious manner) most of the participants. The resulting people who are left after this will either be forced into hiding or have lesser skill and will not be able to produce code as well as the core group and hence will make linux fail due to a lack of technical superority. A couple of months/half a year later M$ releases some major revision to their OS and offers a bunch of technically inclined add ons for free or nearly so. Now this is not to say in the slightest that this has even a 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000 chance of happening but according to quantum physics it can.
That CEO most likely started out as a little nothing too probably 20-45 years ago somewhere and had to learn the ropes and get things done with an equally "clueless" person at the top. It's just different areas of expertise. Einstein knew how the universe worked but more than likely couldn't fix his own car.
Rape usually happens in the real world because a sexually desperate illadjusted person cannot get what he/she wants and decides to take it does this imply that you/anyone else perhaps envys the success of linux?
Another couple problems was that most people will not pay for something that costs 5,000-10,000 $s and can only run on equally expensive hardware. That I think is the barrier for even the gifted.
Not to be too picky you can pick the thing up for about $59.95 on most sites that sell linux cd-roms. Also Comp USA sells what appears to be Red Hat for about the same price also. Just shop around a little more.
So what will replace linux? As I see it linux has been the only noticeable blip in the Open Source arena in the past 15+ years. Winblows has been quite anti-learning when it comes to people becoming endeared to it. Other versions of unix lack many applications and such that give people a warm cosy feeling. In actuality as has been pointed out in the past is that what really matters is applications and not the OS. If linux is gone the field will be pretty bleak indeed for open source in any form. My experience is that non-linux opensource isd difficult to use/configure/compile/run without the additions that varions dos ported versions of linux held utilities by the GNU project. What this could do is just raise the bar with how people learn about things. Basically it may mean that every 1-2 years programmers will have to retrain and relearn all the new features of the api that is in the new os. That will just suck and raise the level of startup costs of getting n IT related education.
What exactly makes Suse better in the long haul? I mean it must be good for those of the world with whom German is second nature but I would still prefer something with English (my only strong language) was the primadry target.
Seems to me that unless someone writes at least a couple dozen apps that are better than what is out there currently there is little chance of this at all. Nothing could stop say someone like me from taking all of the GPLed code and composing a new distribution and making improvements and getting some people to work on it. Suddently those in this world known rather affectionally as "the suits" will have less of a monopoly and no way to stop it.
I did indeed think about your statements (well honestly as much as any person can think for 2+ hours about 300+ comments about a controversial subject. What is the most glaring problem with most of these theories is that if this even happens people will just use a version of linux that does not have all the little "improvements" that the "board of directors" wants in it. Since linux is not managed into one major company Linux Software Inc. things will eventually work out for the best in the end. The later commentary about the inefficency of corporate world with most things. Since I have not really been exposed to many of the upper level jobs where I would get to interface with the big boys is it really this bad? If this were the case why dosn't someone usurp their power.
Could someone please tell me by e-mail or replys to my post who exactly this group represents? This is probably from the same people who composed "Satan Trek" (tm) that appeared on slashdot in the past. I would refute the statements of the authors for their lack of general all around knowledge about linux. As people have pointed out in the past linux != Red Hat in any form.
This is quite interesting that someone is still doing this in this day and age. I thought that we got over Mcarthyism quite a long time ago and had grown up. Similar scatter brained tactics can be found in the so called "red scare" of the 1920's where everyone who wasn't a patriotic fanatic and took loyalty oaths every 5 minutes was considered a Bolsheviki Agent of Radicalism. Such people who charge that a movement like that with linux will fail are missing the point. Even if anyone did anything do totally kill linux someone would open something up a couple of years later. Seing the leaders of linux to compare to communists is quite amusing and illogical. Also he shows his lack of knowledge about how movements effect the general culture. Take a case in point with his reference to "tree huggers". I assume that he is referring to extreme individuals involved with various enviromental movements. What this does is two things against him; one he is setting himself against all those who are involved in any environmental reform groups, secondly he is saying that they didn't count and were(are) unimportant. Now take a pole how many companies can just cut down a random stretch of forest in say Yellowstone National Park in the United States? Hmmm... not too many! This is because there are groups like the EPA and various laws passed by all these "tree-huggers" that grew up into people who actually mattered main stream voters. The same thing will happen to linux and other products. When I see a piece of software that is produced by someone like Lary Wall (perl), or by the GNU Group/Stallman (emacs) I see quality products that people cared for so much they risked their reputations, spare time, social life to create something that held a principal so sacred that it needed to survive at all costs. Compared to propritary software which may still by of the same (or potentially higher quality) but the person did not make it the driving force of their life just to make a buck. This would be say the difference between someone who believes in say feeding the hungry or clothing the naked but just donates some money ($20 US) and someone who helps people en mass such as ghandi or mother thiressa. Were these people considered fanatics? Were they condemned? Well maybe at first but then society changed. Negative responses of this sort are mostly relegated to the WWII - Vietnam generation who had a negative outlook on life. People in the know and those who never gave up at first share these ideals too. It is in essence an ideological clash between someone who is a nihilist/pessimist and a person who is optimistic and cherry about society. Whatever happened to a balanced view of things perhaps a few facts on the issues? I don't know about you and all the others on slashdot but if I submitted this to any english/debate/political science teacher as valid proof of anything I would be sadly disapointed with my mark.
In the non-linux computing world (all stuff I have done with face-to-face for the most part) people seem to fear what they do not know or are unfamiliar with. This may be old hat however when it really comes down to it what they are doing is taking the path of least resistance. During my high-school days my school tended to use netware for it's server environment. I believe that this decistion was made in large part due to the path of least resistance in computer technolody. Also it is a reflection about what people expect to happen. Most people think that in 100 years that some sort of microsoft type product will emerge because they supposedly cater to the masses. This man would have to really take an uphill battle with this subject to get a good reading with most people so instead he takes an easier road to get better results. What I have found in my experience is that a difficult senaria for anything in life is one that tends to have a lot of choices at first. They as you get more aquainted with things it gets easier. You can probably do the same things with win9x/Nt products as you can with linux it just takes drastically more time than linux does and the results may not be as good because those choices did not exist already.
Just found this article (Sunday) and I am wondering about what exactly premium price equates in US$s? I need to purtchess a cheap system for someone and I think I have an EIDE or similar HD so the sticking point is the ram.
So I have submitted things and they never get posted. Next time you submit look at the number of pending submissions or something like that. That will give you some clue that you may not be the first.
Just as people have said about guns: If guns are outlawed only outlaws will own guns. Nothing will change terrorists will use PGP or Gnupg or something similar even 100 years after it's outlawed in every country except portugal.
What exactly was wrong with George Bush? That he had a track reccord of getting things done and not allow for crappy two bit leaders like Hussein (Iraq) to go and tell him what to do? From what has been found about Clinton he appears to be the worst choice in about 20 years.
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What sh*t, da*n, various mumblings? Still electronic media suffers from degredation over time. Printed books have lasted for several hundreds of years in readable condition.
My power goes out or I am in a remote area (rural tibet) and have to do some research with the indigenous peoples and get some of the reading done. Electronic readers? Fat chance!!!
What is strikingly similar to this is the PADD device on star trek (Personal Access Display Device). Those things are basically cheap and readily avaible as well in their world. I would never justify spending $500+ on anything just to avoid buying even the most expensive of hard cover books (maybe $300 at the most) until the cost of palm pilots comes down or the readers are cheaper I will not really care.
This reminds me of a supreme court case decision (can't exactly remember which but dealing with the 1st ammendment) which states that we should tolerate free speech for all even the speech we hate. More than likely no one will ever topple the empires of microsoft or other companies and completely discredit linux and OSS. What could happen to hurt it a little is something like this--- Bill Gates or some powerful person hires a group of terrorists from a country with an unstable government and radical ideology and instructs them on comming to a major event like Linux World or something where 90% of the developers are located. Using Anthrax or some other method or biological or chemical warfare they assasinate (in a devious manner) most of the participants. The resulting people who are left after this will either be forced into hiding or have lesser skill and will not be able to produce code as well as the core group and hence will make linux fail due to a lack of technical superority. A couple of months/half a year later M$ releases some major revision to their OS and offers a bunch of technically inclined add ons for free or nearly so. Now this is not to say in the slightest that this has even a 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000 chance of happening but according to quantum physics it can.
That CEO most likely started out as a little nothing too probably 20-45 years ago somewhere and had to learn the ropes and get things done with an equally "clueless" person at the top. It's just different areas of expertise. Einstein knew how the universe worked but more than likely couldn't fix his own car.
Rape usually happens in the real world because a sexually desperate illadjusted person cannot get what he/she wants and decides to take it does this imply that you/anyone else perhaps envys the success of linux?
Another couple problems was that most people will not pay for something that costs 5,000-10,000 $s and can only run on equally expensive hardware. That I think is the barrier for even the gifted.
Not to be too picky you can pick the thing up for about $59.95 on most sites that sell linux cd-roms. Also Comp USA sells what appears to be Red Hat for about the same price also. Just shop around a little more.
So what will replace linux? As I see it linux has been the only noticeable blip in the Open Source arena in the past 15+ years. Winblows has been quite anti-learning when it comes to people becoming endeared to it. Other versions of unix lack many applications and such that give people a warm cosy feeling. In actuality as has been pointed out in the past is that what really matters is applications and not the OS. If linux is gone the field will be pretty bleak indeed for open source in any form. My experience is that non-linux opensource isd difficult to use/configure/compile/run without the additions that varions dos ported versions of linux held utilities by the GNU project. What this could do is just raise the bar with how people learn about things. Basically it may mean that every 1-2 years programmers will have to retrain and relearn all the new features of the api that is in the new os. That will just suck and raise the level of startup costs of getting n IT related education.
What exactly makes Suse better in the long haul? I mean it must be good for those of the world with whom German is second nature but I would still prefer something with English (my only strong language) was the primadry target.
Seems to me that unless someone writes at least a couple dozen apps that are better than what is out there currently there is little chance of this at all. Nothing could stop say someone like me from taking all of the GPLed code and composing a new distribution and making improvements and getting some people to work on it. Suddently those in this world known rather affectionally as "the suits" will have less of a monopoly and no way to stop it.
I did indeed think about your statements (well honestly as much as any person can think for 2+ hours about 300+ comments about a controversial subject. What is the most glaring problem with most of these theories is that if this even happens people will just use a version of linux that does not have all the little "improvements" that the "board of directors" wants in it. Since linux is not managed into one major company Linux Software Inc. things will eventually work out for the best in the end. The later commentary about the inefficency of corporate world with most things. Since I have not really been exposed to many of the upper level jobs where I would get to interface with the big boys is it really this bad? If this were the case why dosn't someone usurp their power.
Could someone please tell me by e-mail or replys to my post who exactly this group represents? This is probably from the same people who composed "Satan Trek" (tm) that appeared on slashdot in the past. I would refute the statements of the authors for their lack of general all around knowledge about linux. As people have pointed out in the past linux != Red Hat in any form.
This is quite interesting that someone is still doing this in this day and age. I thought that we got over Mcarthyism quite a long time ago and had grown up. Similar scatter brained tactics can be found in the so called "red scare" of the 1920's where everyone who wasn't a patriotic fanatic and took loyalty oaths every 5 minutes was considered a Bolsheviki Agent of Radicalism.
Such people who charge that a movement like that with linux will fail are missing the point. Even if anyone did anything do totally kill linux someone would open something up a couple of years later. Seing the leaders of linux to compare to communists is quite amusing and illogical. Also he shows his lack of knowledge about how movements effect the general culture. Take a case in point with his reference to "tree huggers". I assume that he is referring to extreme individuals involved with various enviromental movements. What this does is two things against him; one he is setting himself against all those who are involved in any environmental reform groups, secondly he is saying that they didn't count and were(are) unimportant.
Now take a pole how many companies can just cut down a random stretch of forest in say Yellowstone National Park in the United States? Hmmm... not too many! This is because there are groups like the EPA and various laws passed by all these "tree-huggers" that grew up into people who actually mattered main stream voters. The same thing will happen to linux and other products.
When I see a piece of software that is produced by someone like Lary Wall (perl), or by the GNU Group/Stallman (emacs) I see quality products that people cared for so much they risked their reputations, spare time, social life to create something that held a principal so sacred that it needed to survive at all costs. Compared to propritary software which may still by of the same (or potentially higher quality) but the person did not make it the driving force of their life just to make a buck.
This would be say the difference between someone who believes in say feeding the hungry or clothing the naked but just donates some money ($20 US) and someone who helps people en mass such as ghandi or mother thiressa. Were these people considered fanatics? Were they condemned? Well maybe at first but then society changed.
Negative responses of this sort are mostly relegated to the WWII - Vietnam generation who had a negative outlook on life. People in the know and those who never gave up at first share these ideals too. It is in essence an ideological clash between someone who is a nihilist/pessimist and a person who is optimistic and cherry about society.
Whatever happened to a balanced view of things perhaps a few facts on the issues? I don't know about you and all the others on slashdot but if I submitted this to any english/debate/political science teacher as valid proof of anything I would be sadly disapointed with my mark.
In the non-linux computing world (all stuff I have done with face-to-face for the most part) people seem to fear what they do not know or are unfamiliar with.
This may be old hat however when it really comes down to it what they are doing is taking the path of least resistance.
During my high-school days my school tended to use netware for it's server environment.
I believe that this decistion was made in large part due to the path of least resistance in computer technolody. Also it is a reflection about what people expect to happen. Most people think that in 100 years that some sort of microsoft type product will emerge because they supposedly cater to the masses.
This man would have to really take an uphill battle with this subject to get a good reading with most people so instead he takes an easier road to get better results.
What I have found in my experience is that a difficult senaria for anything in life is one that tends to have a lot of choices at first. They as you get more aquainted with things it gets easier. You can probably do the same things with win9x/Nt products as you can with linux it just takes drastically more time than linux does and the results may not be as good because those choices did not exist already.
Just found this article (Sunday) and I am wondering about what exactly premium price equates in US$s? I need to purtchess a cheap system for someone and I think I have an EIDE or similar HD so the sticking point is the ram.
The major difference between communism and capitalism is an ecconomic on and not a political one. That just comes later.
What about this parrot?
That would have been interesting to see.
I saw that episode too. Basically it just pokes fun at the sterotypical "nerd".
Not me
Homer Simpson has a heck of a lot funnier base than python.
What happened to the Marx brothers, Laurl/Hardy, or others. I see nothing really fascinating or tech related about monty python anyway.
So I have submitted things and they never get posted. Next time you submit look at the number of pending submissions or something like that. That will give you some clue that you may not be the first.
Just as people have said about guns: If guns are outlawed only outlaws will own guns. Nothing will change terrorists will use PGP or Gnupg or something similar even 100 years after it's outlawed in every country except portugal.
What exactly was wrong with George Bush? That he had a track reccord of getting things done and not allow for crappy two bit leaders like Hussein (Iraq) to go and tell him what to do? From what has been found about Clinton he appears to be the worst choice in about 20 years.