Forgot to mention that if you're using the monopoly "OS", the native version doesn't work. Cygwin's does. Right now I'm doing Perl/Tk development (on the PHB's XP system) with Cygwin & emacs. Works well. It also lowers my blood pressure considerably to have bash, grep, find, ls, and other real utilities on that otherwise abominable platform.
emacs may be many things, but it's not buggy. It's an app which can run for _months_ without trouble. In eleven years I do not believe that I have ever managed to make it crash.
I'm (attempting) working on a slow dial-up connection. By "slow" here, I mean _maybe_ 5 or 10 Kb/s (according to the 'bloze "Task 'Manager'"'s Network meter, which I have no way to fracking calibrate.
This is all that the PHB will shell out for. AOHell works well enough for him (at home, on a different machine and phone line) and he sees no need for anything else. When the Boss comes in and says "hook me up to my email", he's already dismayed that I shun his AOHell, its proprietary dialer, and its (automagically launched!) Internet Exploiter, favoring instead Firefox and an AT&T account (that he got as a freebie with his web hosting deal). He has immense difficulties with the fact that "it doesn't look the same as at home". Hey, at least I got him to upgrade it to unlimited from the original 9 hrs/month. I was able to get that only by fighting him over the AOL connection for a week or so. When I dial up here, it throws him off at home, he'd redial and throw me off, etc. Can you say "counterproductive"?
I digress. My POINT is that AOHell has recently added (their) news to their main email interface webpage, complete with rotating photos to completely saturate my 5Kb connection, making it unusable unless one _immediately_ reloads the optional "low-bandwidth, basic mode" version. If Google does this too, and I cannot shut it off, it will make Google absolutely useless to me.
Excerpts from "Top Ten Things You're Likely To Hear From A Frustrated Digital Engineer":
"You _need_ a REAL Internet connection. Dial-up, particularly AOHell, does not count."
"As your digital technology consultant, I advise you to network together all those old DOS machines. It's their only hope."
"One must be ignorant, misguided, or masochistically insane to expose a Micro$oft system to the Internet."
"NO ONE should use Internet Exploiter."
And I've already been downmodded before for that last one, so flame away.
I'd also express agreement with the chap a few posts back who opined: "I'll pay attention to American news when it quits being a fucking joke".
Spam vs. unwanted e-mail - what's the difference?
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Any responsible party who sends commercial email to your account will have gathered your permission at a prior date.
No, they don't. They haven't. This is a spammer lie. Do I have to name names? Try Sears. Guns and Ammo Magazine(more likely Petersen Publishing). The Libertarian Party. Two of these spammers sent opt-out demands before spamming full tilt. The other simply e-pended me without notice. What part of "permission" do you see there?
It's not useless to point out that the act of opting out of marketing email is fairly safe
Yes, it is useless. No, it's not safe. That's what this discussion has turned to.
To say can-spam is totally ineffective is pretty naive...
CAN-SPAM (it's an acronym) has been totally ineffective, and was misguided in concept. The amount of spam in all my inboxes has increased since its enactment.
..do you think all cooperate vendors would always bother to ask your permission to send email
They DO NOT. I'm simply disputing what you state as a fact. I have proof.
You conveniently ignore the fact that we should criminalize those who email en masse without permission versus those that seek permission (even by possibly sneak means,)
I fail to see the distinction. If you resort to sneaky means to obtain my "permission", you're no better than the guy who makes a dictionary attack against my provider's server(s).
To say that Expedia is a "bad" spammer is to imply that there is such a thing as a "good" spammer. There is not.
If you think there's some sort of game on to "obtain permission", you're missing the point, which is that we don't _want_ you to spam us. Period. Yes, the 85% market is stupid enough to leave the "Sure, I want spam!" box checked if you hide it at all cleverly, but that's different from anybody actually _wanting_ advertising.
If you're an "honest businessman, just trying to make a buck", I suggest you GET THE HELL OUT OF "DIRECT E-MAIL MARKETING"!!! It now belongs to the hawkers of penis enlargement and erectile dysfunction medications (or, more likely, fake medications). Legitimate business needs to avoid it like leprosey. Advertise elsewhere because spam is such a cesspool that you DO NOT want to be associated with it. I mean it. All you PR guys are _so_sensitive_ to the the public's moods and fads and attitudes and feelings that surely the thermometer has _got_ to be telling you that SPAM IS BAD PR. Spam is _universally_hated_. It's the _worst_possible_PR_ that you can engage in. I will _never_ patronize anyone who advertises to me in email. Just go away.
I rather wish the law stated that all commercial email should be opt-out by default, but at least it specifies that you have to provide the choice.
Well, the law isn't necessarily the end of the argument. Many, many email recipients feel that it's not legitimate unless it's confirmed opt-in, but the "direct e-mail marketing" industry refuses to meet this standard because they know damn well that only the terminally bored, mentally retarded, and criminally insane would ever actually opt in.
Yet they continue to assert that "people want this shite!!!". I'm not believing it.
I'll guarantee you that it's a graphic ad, or malware, or maybe both. Unless it's originator was just so lame that he failed to include his payload. There's plenty of that going around. Why would you _want_ to see his image? That's ALL the spammer wants, really, just your eyes, just for a second or so... If you give him that, he wins. For you to even _want_ to see his image is a psychological victory for him.
Either you send your storage provider clear data, in which case he can understand and work with it (including search through it), or you can send him (and ask him to store) encrypted data.
One of the principal characteristics of (well-)encrypted data is that it is essentially random gibberish. Encrypting your search query won't somehow help him understand your encrypted data. The purpose of encrypting it is to keep (all) others out of it.
Am I the only one to notice that this is where Magic Mountain is? "Everybody" knows that the SGC is down in the bottom of that! So it's maybe just possible that the guy was a real Klingon, somehow spacially and literarially misplaced through some Stargate accident?
Hemp was The Reason The British Founded The American Colonies! From the 1500s up to WWII, the British Empire operated the largest navy on the planet. Before the development of steamships (late nineteenth century?) this meant sailing ships with masts and rigging and sails - hundreds of miles of rope and acres of fabric for a big ship. If you used cotton for this it wouldn't last a year. Hemp is superior, you might get a couple of years out of a rig made of hemp. The British navy required the stuff by the ton, to the extent that it was a strategic material. There isn't much farmland in Britain, and they needed it to grow food. On the other side of the pond was America, with a labor shortage to be sure, but comparatively limitless tracts of land. There was a period where British military officers were pensioned with grants of land in the colonies. Colonial farmers were _required_ to keep a (probably generous) fraction of their land cultivated in hemp, producing much more than was needed in the colonies, in order to keep its market price down. By the late eighteenth century, guys like George Washington (and his friends, who were growing dissatisfied with Home Rule) were pulling nasty tricks, like planting their required hemp on the north side of a hill or structure, where, starved for sun, it would grow squatty and flowery and less useful for rope. George Washington's memoirs indicate that he preferred to grow short hemp and to "Let It Go To Pot", rather than grow quality hemp to feed the British navy. He would give the useless hemp to his "niggers", who would smoke it, "dance and sing", and be somewhat easier to manage. Look at Napoleon's motivations for conquering Europe and Russia. One of the things he wanted from Russia was hemp - for the French navy.
It was a guy named Henry Anslinger. He was in charge of a federal outfit called the FBN (Federal Bureau of Narcotics, which went through a couple more names before becoming the DEA in the '60s) and was actually responsible for the production of the movie Reefer Madness. While you'll find it in the Comedy rack today, this was intended as an educational piece to ignite anti-cannabis hysteria among the masses. It _explicitly_ illustrated the tendency for white women to have 'relations' with black men *shudder* and the tendency for white men to commit violent crimes under the influence of marijuana. It _explicitly_ illustrated the tendency of potheads to smoke four or five 'reefers' at once, I suppose to enhance the effect(?)(heck, Hollywood wouldn't film something unless it was _real_, would they?)! It was 1937. Alcohol prohibition was ending. Heroin was at an all-time low in popularity, and Henry was looking at the possibility that his FBN might be defunded. So he set up the boogeyman of marijuana to provide permanent employment for himself and his minions. Federal Marijuana Prohibition is his legacy. IIRC Ness worked for the Treasury, and was solidly focused on alcohol.
"YOU BASTARDS!" I thought it was sad when they killed Cally, and left her baby in the arms of a Cylon... Ellen Tighe's death, too, was just pitiful. It'll be nice to have her back. <Saul>PARTAAAY!!!</Saul>
So how come all the nice (read: human) chicks get killed, with the only one who manages to survive being that slut Stardoe? I suppose with Dualla outta the way she'll get Apollo now. Cylon chicks don't count as 'nice': look at all those headcase sixes - hell they shoot _each_other_!
My favorite character remains the Baltar inside the head of "Caprica Six": we're so used to the way the Six in Baltar's head loves to frack with him, it was highly amusing to see that that cuts both ways, and that he gives back at least as good as he ever got.
in wearying of having to click through a dozen or more pages to read an article that would fit on one or (maybe) two. Surely these morons can tell that we're using AdBlock anyway! This guy was heavily flamed in his discussion comments, 95% of which bitch about how thin his content really is.
There's really only a single outfit (Jeppsen) compiling and keeping all of that "airplane-specific data": airport location/status, runway orientation and -more important- _length_, facilities (haz ILS? fuel? FSS/mechanic?), RADIO COMM FREQUENCIES (a biggie), etc, etc. It's historically been common to see pilots dragging around huge briefcases full of this database (updated about every 60-90(?) days via a binder of replacement pages mailed to subscribers), but this has all probably been supplanted by electronic data in laptops (yes, M$ _only_ *shudder*) and Internet download of updates.
My point is that Jeppsen is a single outfit without competition. They keep the airport database, and license it to all comers. Garmin ( Magellen, Trimble, other avionics GPS mfgrs) license it and package it for download to their gear. For this the customer pays ongoing subscription fees. Without current (90-day?) data, the FAA will NOT let you do IFR navigation or landing approaches.
While they try to make it affordable to all, Jeppsen has to keep a lot of data, their audience is relatively small (compared to, say, Street Atlas), AND they must answer to the FAA (can you say "buearacracy**2"?) for its accuracy.
[Credit card-based identity verification] won't work for anyone who cares about their own privacy. Why would I want to give anyone my credit or debit card number if I wasn't actually buying something from that site at that particular time?
Ask AOL, it worked for them for fuckin years man.
Well it won't work anymore. When I gave a guy a credit card number "which will be used only to create and then remove a $1 charge authorization FOR AGE VERIFICATION PURPOSES ONLY!!!", the asshole created and removed his $1 authorization, to be sure, but he then signed me up for a $40/month subscription which, while related to his free beer sign-up, was NOT mentioned in any fine print anywhere. Just signed me up: "hey, I have a number, let's charge a full-on subscription to it without any permission whatsoever!" By the time I was done shouting, I had a $40 refund from my credit card company as well as from his fulfillment agent.
The bottom line is that you won't get a credit card number until you have something that I'm willing to pay for (if ever). It just takes one asshole pissing in the Jacuzzi to make everyone climb out and _never_ go back in.
...seeing as how I (a live human bean) cannot read the damn things (haven't had access to good enough drugs lately, I guess), and the spambots apparently _can_, then they're counterproductive and totally useless.
Thank goodness I have my Gmail accounts hooked up to my email client via IMAP; if I had to solve a CAPTCHA to send mail I'd be off the air.
No, it's news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting anymore (n.a.n-a.email has been bot-spammed to uselessness), and all they'll get there is (their fair share of) jeers and other verbal abuse. At least for about as long as they (Atrivo)'ve been abusing the email system. And those guys (Morley Dotes & Inigo Montoya) will know how long that's been.
"My name is Inigo Montoya. You spammed my father. Prepare to die."
if they really, honestly test for any of that, because the "interference" that T-Mobile & the other telcos are so horrified by is to their business models ONLY.
Really. T-Mobile wants to charge US$80/month for a wireless Internet connection. Free wireless Internet in ANY form would 'interfere' with that.
And SINCE WHEN were any of the telcos at all interested in the quality of their service? Once they have your signature on their contract, they'd rather that you found their service unusable, so you won't load it with your traffic. You have to pay _anyway_.
Do you mean like Slashdot? To which you must surrender an email address (currently, don't know about the 5-digit era).
Exactly. But I trust Rob. Give him a chance, register a honeypot address. Also, the email address I gave him (and which I've had since the 5-digit era, when I was a n00b) has been exposed in so many other places (domain name registration, for example) that it doesn't make any difference anymore. I use that one for a honeypot.
It's ${MyBank}, ${MyMortgageLender}, CitiBank, Sears, Amazon, eBay, PayPal, YouTube, MyFace, SpaceBook, AdultFriendFinder, Alt.com, etc etc etc that want an email "to send yer password to" just so they can be _sure_ that it's a real, working addy. Which of these guys (if any) can you trust?
Despite their history of ePending and spamming, I didn't really have the option of NOT dealing with Sears when the dishwasher puked all over the floor and needed a new pump seal. They wanted a REAL email, and they wanted to test it.
What I've discovered recently is that Gmail accepts ".whatever" added to your username @gmail.com, so "battyman1.any_damn_thing@gmail.com" not only goes straight to the Gmail honeypot, but also identifies _who_ sent it there (or gave it to their friend to send there). This makes honeypot addresses compellingly easy to create. Mikie likes it!
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Forgot to mention that if you're using the monopoly "OS", the native version doesn't work. Cygwin's does. Right now I'm doing Perl/Tk development (on the PHB's XP system) with Cygwin & emacs. Works well. It also lowers my blood pressure considerably to have bash, grep, find, ls, and other real utilities on that otherwise abominable platform.
Really... is this even a question?
emacs may be many things, but it's not buggy. It's an app which can run for _months_ without trouble. In eleven years I do not believe that I have ever managed to make it crash.
Go read the article. He said "free".
I'm (attempting) working on a slow dial-up connection. By "slow" here, I mean _maybe_ 5 or 10 Kb/s (according to the 'bloze "Task 'Manager'"'s Network meter, which I have no way to fracking calibrate.
This is all that the PHB will shell out for. AOHell works well enough for him (at home, on a different machine and phone line) and he sees no need for anything else. When the Boss comes in and says "hook me up to my email", he's already dismayed that I shun his AOHell, its proprietary dialer, and its (automagically launched!) Internet Exploiter, favoring instead Firefox and an AT&T account (that he got as a freebie with his web hosting deal). He has immense difficulties with the fact that "it doesn't look the same as at home". Hey, at least I got him to upgrade it to unlimited from the original 9 hrs/month. I was able to get that only by fighting him over the AOL connection for a week or so. When I dial up here, it throws him off at home, he'd redial and throw me off, etc. Can you say "counterproductive"?
I digress. My POINT is that AOHell has recently added (their) news to their main email interface webpage, complete with rotating photos to completely saturate my 5Kb connection, making it unusable unless one _immediately_ reloads the optional "low-bandwidth, basic mode" version. If Google does this too, and I cannot shut it off, it will make Google absolutely useless to me.
Excerpts from "Top Ten Things You're Likely To Hear From A Frustrated Digital Engineer":
"You _need_ a REAL Internet connection. Dial-up, particularly AOHell, does not count."
"As your digital technology consultant, I advise you to network together all those old DOS machines. It's their only hope."
"One must be ignorant, misguided, or masochistically insane to expose a Micro$oft system to the Internet."
"NO ONE should use Internet Exploiter."
And I've already been downmodded before for that last one, so flame away.
I'd also express agreement with the chap a few posts back who opined: "I'll pay attention to American news when it quits being a fucking joke".
No, they don't. They haven't. This is a spammer lie.
Do I have to name names?
Try Sears. Guns and Ammo Magazine(more likely Petersen Publishing). The Libertarian Party.
Two of these spammers sent opt-out demands before spamming full tilt. The other simply e-pended me without notice. What part of "permission" do you see there?
Yes, it is useless. No, it's not safe. That's what this discussion has turned to.
CAN-SPAM (it's an acronym) has been totally ineffective, and was misguided in concept. The amount of spam in all my inboxes has increased since its enactment.
They DO NOT. I'm simply disputing what you state as a fact. I have proof.
I fail to see the distinction. If you resort to sneaky means to obtain my "permission", you're no better than the guy who makes a dictionary attack against my provider's server(s).
To say that Expedia is a "bad" spammer is to imply that there is such a thing as a "good" spammer. There is not.
If you think there's some sort of game on to "obtain permission", you're missing the point, which is that we don't _want_ you to spam us. Period. Yes, the 85% market is stupid enough to leave the "Sure, I want spam!" box checked if you hide it at all cleverly, but that's different from anybody actually _wanting_ advertising.
If you're an "honest businessman, just trying to make a buck", I suggest you GET THE HELL OUT OF "DIRECT E-MAIL MARKETING"!!! It now belongs to the hawkers of penis enlargement and erectile dysfunction medications (or, more likely, fake medications). Legitimate business needs to avoid it like leprosey. Advertise elsewhere because spam is such a cesspool that you DO NOT want to be associated with it.
I mean it. All you PR guys are _so_sensitive_ to the the public's moods and fads and attitudes and feelings that surely the thermometer has _got_ to be telling you that SPAM IS BAD PR. Spam is _universally_hated_. It's the _worst_possible_PR_ that you can engage in. I will _never_ patronize anyone who advertises to me in email. Just go away.
Well, the law isn't necessarily the end of the argument. Many, many email recipients feel that it's not legitimate unless it's confirmed opt-in, but the "direct e-mail marketing" industry refuses to meet this standard because they know damn well that only the terminally bored, mentally retarded, and criminally insane would ever actually opt in.
Yet they continue to assert that "people want this shite!!!". I'm not believing it.
On Gmail that's 15,000 a month, because they toss it after thirty days.
15e3 spams / 30 days = 500/day.
That does seem like a lot.
I have 280 in one account and 560 in one that I'm more careless with.
If you have 15,000, you've been giving it away - for a while.
I'll guarantee you that it's a graphic ad, or malware, or maybe both.
Unless it's originator was just so lame that he failed to include his payload.
There's plenty of that going around.
Why would you _want_ to see his image?
That's ALL the spammer wants, really, just your eyes, just for a second or so...
If you give him that, he wins.
For you to even _want_ to see his image is a psychological victory for him.
What?
Really?
Would they do that?
HOW COOL.
'Cuz really, in fairness, I don't click 'spam' on it unless it's spam.
They can blacklist yer IP for all I care.
Either you send your storage provider clear data, in which case he can understand and work with it (including search through it), or you can send him (and ask him to store) encrypted data.
One of the principal characteristics of (well-)encrypted data is that it is essentially random gibberish. Encrypting your search query won't somehow help him understand your encrypted data. The purpose of encrypting it is to keep (all) others out of it.
Sorry.
Am I the only one to notice that this is where Magic Mountain is?
"Everybody" knows that the SGC is down in the bottom of that!
So it's maybe just possible that the guy was a real Klingon, somehow spacially and literarially misplaced through some Stargate accident?
So she deserves to die?
What does Stardoe deserve, after systematically wrecking two marriages?
Hemp was The Reason The British Founded The American Colonies!
From the 1500s up to WWII, the British Empire operated the largest navy on the planet. Before the development of steamships (late nineteenth century?) this meant sailing ships with masts and rigging and sails - hundreds of miles of rope and acres of fabric for a big ship. If you used cotton for this it wouldn't last a year. Hemp is superior, you might get a couple of years out of a rig made of hemp. The British navy required the stuff by the ton, to the extent that it was a strategic material.
There isn't much farmland in Britain, and they needed it to grow food. On the other side of the pond was America, with a labor shortage to be sure, but comparatively limitless tracts of land. There was a period where British military officers were pensioned with grants of land in the colonies. Colonial farmers were _required_ to keep a (probably generous) fraction of their land cultivated in hemp, producing much more than was needed in the colonies, in order to keep its market price down. By the late eighteenth century, guys like George Washington (and his friends, who were growing dissatisfied with Home Rule) were pulling nasty tricks, like planting their required hemp on the north side of a hill or structure, where, starved for sun, it would grow squatty and flowery and less useful for rope. George Washington's memoirs indicate that he preferred to grow short hemp and to "Let It Go To Pot", rather than grow quality hemp to feed the British navy. He would give the useless hemp to his "niggers", who would smoke it, "dance and sing", and be somewhat easier to manage.
Look at Napoleon's motivations for conquering Europe and Russia. One of the things he wanted from Russia was hemp - for the French navy.
Why do you think they call it 'canvas'?
It was a guy named Henry Anslinger.
He was in charge of a federal outfit called the FBN (Federal Bureau of Narcotics, which went through a couple more names before becoming the DEA in the '60s) and was actually responsible for the production of the movie Reefer Madness. While you'll find it in the Comedy rack today, this was intended as an educational piece to ignite anti-cannabis hysteria among the masses. It _explicitly_ illustrated the tendency for white women to have 'relations' with black men *shudder* and the tendency for white men to commit violent crimes under the influence of marijuana. It _explicitly_ illustrated the tendency of potheads to smoke four or five 'reefers' at once, I suppose to enhance the effect(?)(heck, Hollywood wouldn't film something unless it was _real_, would they?)!
It was 1937. Alcohol prohibition was ending. Heroin was at an all-time low in popularity, and Henry was looking at the possibility that his FBN might be defunded. So he set up the boogeyman of marijuana to provide permanent employment for himself and his minions. Federal Marijuana Prohibition is his legacy.
IIRC Ness worked for the Treasury, and was solidly focused on alcohol.
"YOU BASTARDS!"
I thought it was sad when they killed Cally, and left her baby in the arms of a Cylon...
Ellen Tighe's death, too, was just pitiful. It'll be nice to have her back. <Saul>PARTAAAY!!!</Saul>
So how come all the nice (read: human) chicks get killed, with the only one who manages to survive being that slut Stardoe? I suppose with Dualla outta the way she'll get Apollo now.
Cylon chicks don't count as 'nice': look at all those headcase sixes - hell they shoot _each_other_!
My favorite character remains the Baltar inside the head of "Caprica Six": we're so used to the way the Six in Baltar's head loves to frack with him, it was highly amusing to see that that cuts both ways, and that he gives back at least as good as he ever got.
in wearying of having to click through a dozen or more pages to read an article that would fit on one or (maybe) two. Surely these morons can tell that we're using AdBlock anyway! This guy was heavily flamed in his discussion comments, 95% of which bitch about how thin his content really is.
There's really only a single outfit (Jeppsen) compiling and keeping all of that "airplane-specific data": airport location/status, runway orientation and -more important- _length_, facilities (haz ILS? fuel? FSS/mechanic?), RADIO COMM FREQUENCIES (a biggie), etc, etc. It's historically been common to see pilots dragging around huge briefcases full of this database (updated about every 60-90(?) days via a binder of replacement pages mailed to subscribers), but this has all probably been supplanted by electronic data in laptops (yes, M$ _only_ *shudder*) and Internet download of updates.
My point is that Jeppsen is a single outfit without competition. They keep the airport database, and license it to all comers. Garmin ( Magellen, Trimble, other avionics GPS mfgrs) license it and package it for download to their gear. For this the customer pays ongoing subscription fees. Without current (90-day?) data, the FAA will NOT let you do IFR navigation or landing approaches.
While they try to make it affordable to all, Jeppsen has to keep a lot of data, their audience is relatively small (compared to, say, Street Atlas), AND they must answer to the FAA (can you say "buearacracy**2"?) for its accuracy.
Nothing more to see here, move along...
You Insensitive Clod!
Well it won't work anymore. When I gave a guy a credit card number "which will be used only to create and then remove a $1 charge authorization FOR AGE VERIFICATION PURPOSES ONLY!!!", the asshole created and removed his $1 authorization, to be sure, but he then signed me up for a $40/month subscription which, while related to his free beer sign-up, was NOT mentioned in any fine print anywhere. Just signed me up: "hey, I have a number, let's charge a full-on subscription to it without any permission whatsoever!" By the time I was done shouting, I had a $40 refund from my credit card company as well as from his fulfillment agent.
The bottom line is that you won't get a credit card number until you have something that I'm willing to pay for (if ever). It just takes one asshole pissing in the Jacuzzi to make everyone climb out and _never_ go back in.
...seeing as how I (a live human bean) cannot read the damn things (haven't had access to good enough drugs lately, I guess), and the spambots apparently _can_, then they're counterproductive and totally useless.
Thank goodness I have my Gmail accounts hooked up to my email client via IMAP; if I had to solve a CAPTCHA to send mail I'd be off the air.
No, it's news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting anymore (n.a.n-a.email has been bot-spammed to uselessness),
and all they'll get there is (their fair share of) jeers and other verbal abuse.
At least for about as long as they (Atrivo)'ve been abusing the email system.
And those guys (Morley Dotes & Inigo Montoya) will know how long that's been.
"My name is Inigo Montoya. You spammed my father. Prepare to die."
if they really, honestly test for any of that, because the "interference" that T-Mobile & the other telcos are so horrified by is to their business models ONLY.
Really. T-Mobile wants to charge US$80/month for a wireless Internet connection. Free wireless Internet in ANY form would 'interfere' with that.
And SINCE WHEN were any of the telcos at all interested in the quality of their service? Once they have your signature on their contract, they'd rather that you found their service unusable, so you won't load it with your traffic. You have to pay _anyway_.
(Dons flameproof underwear)
Sorry, moderators, if yer PHBs force you to use IE,
but that does NOT legitimize it.
You may go ahead and flame me now, for I am filled with love,
AND I'm wearing my flameproof underwear!
Exactly. But I trust Rob. Give him a chance, register a honeypot address.
Also, the email address I gave him (and which I've had since the 5-digit era, when I was a n00b) has been exposed in so many other places (domain name registration, for example) that it doesn't make any difference anymore. I use that one for a honeypot.
It's ${MyBank}, ${MyMortgageLender}, CitiBank, Sears, Amazon, eBay, PayPal, YouTube, MyFace, SpaceBook, AdultFriendFinder, Alt.com, etc etc etc that want an email "to send yer password to" just so they can be _sure_ that it's a real, working addy. Which of these guys (if any) can you trust?
Despite their history of ePending and spamming, I didn't really have the option of NOT dealing with Sears when the dishwasher puked all over the floor and needed a new pump seal. They wanted a REAL email, and they wanted to test it.
What I've discovered recently is that Gmail accepts ".whatever" added to your username @gmail.com, so "battyman1.any_damn_thing@gmail.com" not only goes straight to the Gmail honeypot, but also identifies _who_ sent it there (or gave it to their friend to send there). This makes honeypot addresses compellingly easy to create. Mikie likes it!