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Man Robs Convenience Stores With Klingon "Batleth"
mnovotny writes "Colorado Springs police are looking for a man who hit two 7-Eleven convenience stores, armed with a Klingon 'Batleth' sword inspired by the Star Trek science fiction series.
They did appear more human in the original series."
only outlaws will have batleths...
He should be stripped of his land and titles.
...and trying a little too hard to break the stereotype. And it still wont land him chix0r's
is one of the Rites of Ascension. While it is inevitable that a boy becomes a man, what is not inevitable is whether a man becomes a warrior. That is, until he robs a 7-eleven.
It's not a "Batleth", it's a "Bat'leth". Without the apostrophe it just looks ridiculous.
Spelling mistakes, grammatical errors, and stupid comments are intentional.
Sooo many jokes to make!
Don't know where to start!
WWAKD (What Would A Klingon Do?)
Why is this in "Entertainment?" Is this some publicity stunt? Some TV show? No. It's a robbery. Crime. I am not entertained.
Yes, we must ban replica weapons that are only made for killing large numbers of people! Protect the children!
These "assault swords" have features like extra cutting edges, and allow the evil person using one to swing it in both directions, thereby killing more people.
The user's hands are placed a little differently than on traditional swords, meaning the user can swing with more power and hit more people at once.
They're made of cheap metal, which is more dangerous than regular steel because it's more powerful and stronger than a real sword!
And they have engravings in an unknown foreign terrorist language, which tells the user how to be deadly assassin. And there's obviously no need for engraving on a sword.
And obviously, if we ban them, they'll all magically go away, because we know that criminals who like to commit acts of violence will be scared of the law that bans their swords. Nobody will ever make one themselves, or sneak one in through the black market, and there are no legitimate uses (such as movie props and reenactments) for these weapons.
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...and I never will. I can never forgive them...for robbing my 7-11.
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I wonder if the investigating police showed up in Enterprise Uniforms. 'This is highly illogical, Leutenant'
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Everybody knows the way to stop a Klingon speaking geek is by applying an atomic wedgie.
it seems that the two clerks were big enough nerds to identify the weapon as a Batleth!
Unfortunately it seems that the robber was masked so they weren't able to tell if he was a swarmy Klingon.
Some great writing in the story: "The clerk did not give him any money and the suspect transported himself out of the store"
So the suspect ummm.. "left" the store? Oh wait... "transported himself", dude got beamed up!
Does it seem surreal to anyone else that, according to the article, both clerks recognized what a Bat'leth was? Colorado Springs: where Trek nerds control all the local convenience stores. For best results, RTFA while listening to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyhhFzE5O5U
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Both clerks described the weapon as a Star Trek Klingon type sword, called a "Batleth."
I'm not sure whether to think that since both guys knew a "Bat'leth" on sight, it indicates that geeks are more prevalent than previously thought... or that convenience store clerks tend to be geeks.
1. Buy Klingon Bat'leth
2. ????
3. Profit!
Obviously the unknown in this algorithm is "Hold up a convenience store.
Maybe it's just me, but as amusing as it is that this guy robbed two stores with this thing, it's funnier that both of the store clerks knew exactly what it was!
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100 Darsek says his getaway car was a cloaked FireBird of Prey.
I was hoping to make a big impact when I start robbing stores with my lightsaber, but it looks like some trekkies stole my thunder.
The line about transporting has been removed from the article.
most times you must have said weapon sheathed if it is not sheathed it is considered that you are ARMED, htus you WILL get arrested, unless your at a trek convention then by all means ATTACK
From yesterday's local news on the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7864982.stm
The police want to talk to his donkey. Afterwards, they want the donkey to shut the fuck up.
Qapla'!
No problem look for the glow of video game screens coming from mom's basement and you will find the culprit.
"Kam'cha chime CHEK!"
(If he were a TRUE Klingon, he could reply with, "You swear WELL in Klingon, human clerk...")
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Both clerks described the weapon as a Star Trek Klingon type sword, called a "Batleth."
2 out of 2 7-11 store clerks can recognize Star Trek paraphernalia. Michael Dorn should be proud.
Also:
The clerk did not give him any money and the suspect left on foot.
I wonder if this clerk would have given the money to a guy with a gun? Or a guy with a human sword? I wonder if the average bat'leh wielder is more or less desperate or murderous than the average gun/sword wielder? Perhaps the robber didn't know the proper Klingon curse words.
*he* has brought nothing but *dishonor* upon his family and himself.
his heart must not be *truly* klingon.
A better class of criminal Joker promised us.
At last someone with some style.
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This is just more proof that they charge too much for seasons of Star Trek. Perhaps he's starting early on getting money for the blue-ray releases...
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will he be considered and "Ex-KAHN!"?
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I'm rather disappointed he just wore a plain black mask and regular clothes...
The story would have sounded a lot better if he had gone in a full klingon costume.
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Anybody? Anobody? Bueller? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weapons_in_Star_Trek#Bat.27leth
We don't have the technology to track his outbound transporter trail.
Every convenience store should have a few Tribbles around.
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I think there's a size limitation to knives and similar weapons.
Pretty easy to armchair quarterback in total safety what you think you would have done in the same situation, but the truth is you would never know until you were in that situation. I don't think the plane was full of extraordinarily "unaverage" people - they were average joes. Odds are you would have sat right there with them scared out of your wits as well. The funny thing is, if as many people who claimed they would be a hero in situations such as this actually did step up and be a hero, stuff like that would not happen as much as it does in reality.
P.S. It would be fairly trivial to kill someone with what you call a "kid's knife". A box cutter is a razor blade with a handle. Would you like to be slashed with a razor?
"But this one goes to 11!"
*BEGINS CHANNELING JACK THOMPSON*
This proves that watching Star Trek makes a person violent! We must ban all Star Trek in order to protect our children and our 7-11's.
*ENDS CHANNELING JACK THOMPSON*
And now, if you'll excuse me, I need to wash out my brain... with some hydrochloric acid.
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The passengers of flight 93 certainly weren't afraid of the 4 guys with box cutters.
Insert funny smart-ass comment here.
Did you miss the part where Wikipedia is the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit?
P.S. It would be fairly trivial to kill someone with what you call a "kid's knife". A box cutter is a razor blade with a handle. Would you like to be slashed with a razor?
As opposed to being smashed into a skyscraper? Yes.
But hindsight is 20/20, and they didn't know it just a typical "take the plane to cuba" deal until it was too late.
It comes down to the information available to the respective passengers. The standard approach is to assume that the hijackers want money or the release of prisoners and probably won't kill the passengers. With that in mind you just sit in your seat, shut up, and hope that when the SWAT team kills the hijackers you don't get injured. When the passengers realized those people were going to turn them into a missile (because of phone calls informing them of their impending deaths) they weren't going to have any of that shit. The passengers of the other planes would have clawed the eyes out of their attackers if they had any idea what was going to happen. People will readily die for a higher purpose (see soldiers, religious crazies, people that try to rescue children/pets/the elderly from fires), they just have to see the purpose of dying.
At least your government should stop with the hypocrisy off calling those passengers "heroes" ... this is just media bullshit made to inspire some crappy patriotic feeling and use it to shut anyone that was against the subsequent invasions that USA did on behalf of those "heroes".
Who has a Wikipedia account with editing rights? Anybody? Anobody? Bueller? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weapons_in_Star_Trek#Bat.27leth
That would be you. And every other single person on the face of the planet with an internet connection. They don't even make you log in first.
You are awash in a sea of fiercely stated opinions. Obvious exits are: 'File->Quit', 'Reply', and 'Page Down'.
But it should be "Qapla'"!!
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You are making HUGE assumptions now. I never once called them "heroes" or thought anything along those lines. (Hint - a lot of Americans also think what their government says is mostly bullshit too.) I was merely pointing out it is easy to speculate what one might do in a similar situation, but that is all it is - speculation. Those people had no idea what was going on, and hindsight is 20/20. If they had all the information that you have now about what was happening, it may have turned out different.
"this is just media bullshit made to inspire some crappy patriotic feeling"
Sorry to have to inform you of this, but the USA doesn't have a monopoly on that market. If you really want to see how the pros do it, take a look China's way.
"But this one goes to 11!"
The saddest part is that in both robberies, the clerk recognized the weapon as not just unusual, but specifically Klingon. Geeks fer sure. Hey guys, are you on Slashdot???
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It has nothing to do with bravery or "averageness". Prior to 9/11 the best thing a hostage could do was stay calm and obedient -it ensured not only your own safety, but the safety of others. Hostage-taking was nothing new and almost always resolved safely on the ground. Going cowboy was an act of foolish endangerment.
The reason the passengers on the flight over PA fought back was because they heard what happened with the other planes and realized the previous rules didn't apply this time. I have little doubt the people on the early flights would've tried the same thing if they had known.
The other possibility (though admittedly, less likely) is that the star trek geeks are the ones who work in the 7-11; having a limited knowledge of other (earth) cultures' weapons, they saw something that wasn't a sword, and assumed it was a Batleth. If it REALLY was a batleth then I suspect it wasn't a star trek fan, but just someone who got hold of a batleth and liked it's potential as a weapon. I doubt there are many geeks so oblivious to their geekiness that they don't realise robbing a store with such an exotic and rare item might help police to track them down.
damn laptop keyboard.
"...didn't know it wasn't just a typical..."
And it looks it would take a good bit of effort to "cut" a stick of butter with it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirpan
(Also see the legality section further down)
I'd be surprised if these got a second look pre-9/11...but these days a picture of a giant cartoon robot with a cartoon gun on your T-shirt is too dangerous to take on a plane.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
If someone came at me with a Bat'leth all I'd be thinking is 'Is today a good day to die?'
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They were not afraid of 'box cutters'.
The reason for this is that there are no reports or evidence of any kind anywhere that the hijackers had box cutters.
It's far more likely they were carrying combat knives. The box cutter myth was started to explain how they carried the knives through airport security.
See:
http://edwardjayepstein.com/nether_fictoid9.htm
Firstly, isn't it odd that the store clerks recognized it as a Batleth? That should help reinforce the nerdy 7-11 store clerk stereotype. Seriously... how would a bank teller have described this sword?
Secondly, the choice to use the batleth was either inspired or insanely stupid. Inspired in that the batleth would draw attention to itself and away from other identifying characteristics of the robber. Insanely stupid in that... how many Colorado Springs residents own a batleth anyway? Kinda reduces the suspect list by a bunch.
We actually have a good story on Idle. Well, I guess there's a first time for everything.
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That's a pretty bad laptop keyboard you have there :).
Yeah, blame the keyboard for your brain-fart. You fit right in here in the US.
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Well, now, if Enterprise returns, they'll have to revise that history to:
"There once was an intelligence report indicating a Xindi-dispatched Klingon imitation popped up in a convenience mart. He probably had reviewed archive footage of old-fashioned advertisements with what they called a "jingle": "Oh thank Heaven for 7-Eleven", and thought he could find a Xindi contact there... But, he found Daniels working the purchasing counter."
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Why did he used a weapon to break-in? Was the transporter pad malfunctioning because of the non-calibrated Heisenberg compensators that were not alligned with the verteron matrix containment field? He should reversed the polarity, for crying outloud!
It's a maxim of the old west,
"Never bring a knife to a gun fight."
In other words, he's OK until he runs into a clerk with a gun.
He'll probably either get killed or arrested.
Since pain sticks weren't available for his initiation he had to settle for brain freeze.
And armed with better knowledge, it's much easier to decide between doing nothing (which leads to death), and doing anything else (which has a slightly lesser chance of death). It's not 100% inconceivable that passengers could've retaken the plane and maybe even managed an assisted emergency landing.
Either one can cut/harm/kill you potentially. That was my point. It's like asking "Would you rather get shot by a .357 or a .44?" The only answer I could give would be "neither" because either option would not be pleasant.
"But this one goes to 11!"
I suppose there is one thing though. Preventing everyone from bringing on weapon-like objects disarms the terrorist to the point where they have to resort to silly match lit shoe bombs (and now we all have to submit to shoe inspection .. "No fuse - your fine, move on")
Meanwhile we all keep our fists and our brains and there many of us to few of them.
thats because they were notified in flight that two hijacked planes slammed into the WTC
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Dudes, I know. I thought the over-the-top part "with editing rights" gave it away. Next time I'll use smilies again.
I thought I remembered that some of the cellphone transcripts from the hijacked planes said that the hijackers claimed to have bombs on board.
If they were telling passengers that, coupled with the fact that most hijacked planes up to that point were just flown to a unfriendly nation and held for ransom, the passengers really had no way to know that risking their lives would have saved thousands.
I don't get it honestly. I don't know if my hand is hitting the touchpad or what, but my cursor actually jumps backwards and I end up typing over what I just wrote.
(An HP laptop, if anyone is wondering)
4 guys with box cutters and a BOMB.
granted the bomb turned out to be a fake. Why people insist on forgetting that part is beyond me.
Not allowing the general public to carry weapons only mean criminals who get around security will have control.
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Back in college, I had a friend who was into the Society for Creative Anachronism thing. He got burgled one night while he was home, and sent the intruder to the hospital with wounds from a broadsword. You don't see that every day.
Apparently he was stark naked when he attacked, too. Dunno if he bothered to cover himself with woad before the battle.
Give a man a fish and you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish, and he'll say "WHERE'S MY FISH, YOU IDIOT?"
You can have my batleth,..
But I'll be damned if you try to take away my
T5 disrupter.
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If you work in a convenience store, you never ever try to stop a robbery. It doesn't matter if the guy has a gun, a Bat'leh, or an attack gerbil.
Your job is to get this guy out of your store as fast as possible with as few injuries as possible. I knew someone who worked in HR at Southland Corporation (the people who run 7-11s). They train their workers to help the robbers.
Most robbers have little idea of what they should do once they run into a convenience store and demand all of the money. The clerks are trained to not make sudden moves and to keep their hands visible.
The clerks ask the robber if they want their money in a sack and if the robber would like them to lie down behind the counter until they leave. The clerk's job at that point is to get the robber out of the store as quickly as possible.
Most of the time, there is less than $50 in the till. If someone comes in with a bat'leh, you don't know if they may also have a gun on them. You have no idea what this person might be capable of doing or whether they have a few friends outside who may try to help out if you put up a fight.
It simply isn't worth the fuss over $50. You give the money to your assailants, wish them a nice day, and hope they leave as quickly as they came.
you're a fucking idiot. Bikers wear leather jackets, the value of a leather jacket is found when hitting the concrete at 60+ MPH or equally when getting into a knife fight. Many bikers/hookers and other street denizens carry straight blades (used for shaving) and razor blades, because they are practically guaranteed to get through the leather. Regular knives either have to be sharpened (knowledgeably) for long hours and saved for such occasions.
Violence is no different than any other profession, you have to use the right tool for the job.
Officers are reviewing the surveillance tapes from inside the store but Lt. David Whitlock said he does not plan to release the video or photographs "at this time."
The video will probably be on "America's Dumbest Criminals" soon, if not on YouTube.
Passengers of the three planes which reached their objective are not normally referred to as heroes in the media, they are called victims. Certainly the rebelling Flight 93 passengers are rightly called heroes as are the firefighters and police who went up into the towers to rescue people, but I haven't noticed that label being liberally applied to the victims as well.
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Am I the only one to notice that this is where Magic Mountain is?
"Everybody" knows that the SGC is down in the bottom of that!
So it's maybe just possible that the guy was a real Klingon, somehow spacially and literarially misplaced through some Stargate accident?
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How much does it happen in reality? I don't hear about it very often, in a country (USA) of 300 million. Of course, flying-jets-into-buildings only happened once, but even other large-scale (more than a few deaths) random violence only happens, what, annually? Less? That's very rare. We live in an exceedingly safe society, even as it is an open and free society (mostly). Other societies have even lower crime, but they have less freedom and openness (cf England or something).
Me, I would have run to the back of the plane and browned my underwear.
That is precisely the reason why no airliner will ever again be usable as a weapon, so long as the passengers are able to get to and lay hands on the attackers. Every one of us will assume that the plane is on its way to be destroyed, and will fight hard to make sure it doesn't get used as a weapon. Bring a metal pen with you on your flights, or a mechanical pencil or two.
It was fear, not the lack of box cutters that was the problem. 100 people, even a mix of unarmed women and children, could take down only four people armed with box cutters if they were so inclined. Some might die in the process but a good number would live.
This is why if terrorist ever tried the same thing again it would likely not succeed now. Before 9/11 most similar cases were hijackings, not mass forced suicide.
I am in now way trying to say any of the 9/11 victims were cowards. However there have been cases of housewives who draw enough adrenalin to lift a car off their child. With a mindset set more on group survival rather than personal injury I can not see how 4 people with box cutters would have a chance against that many people.
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" Franklin
This man clearly has no honor. If I were to meet him I would not hesitate to disembowel him.
... how do you disarm people who are trained to kill with bare hands?
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This is actual news. Person attempting robbery is news. Police looking for person attempting robbery is extra newsworthy, because people might know something. That a Bat'leth was used makes this News for Nerds in two ways: It was neat to hear about (the idleispants way), and because nerds in the area might know someone who owns a Bat'leth and is hard up for cash, or maybe a nerd got a Bat'leth stolen from him recently and it's the same criminal (although the police might already know about that).
I like how both clerks knew exactly what type of weapon it was.
did he grab any prune juice while on the way out of the store.
Why do you honour them as heroes then? Because they all sat there and their plane crashed against WTC killing thousands? ... this is just media bullshit made to inspire some crappy patriotic feeling and use it to shut anyone that was against the subsequent invasions that USA did on behalf of those "heroes".
At least your government should stop with the hypocrisy off calling those passengers "heroes"
Maybe you should shut your fucking mouth and stop nitpicking the manner in which we choose to honor the victims of that horrible day?
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
The reason that the UK has a low violent crime rate (at least compared to the USA) is because they have very strict firearm policies and very few people are allowed to carry a gun.
In Northern Europe, the reason they have much lower crime rates, is simply because they are more socially oriented, there is much less unbalance both economically and socially and so people have less motives to commit crimes.
Exactly. 'Box cutters' has no basis in reality whatsoever. There is absolutely no evidence or reports of 'box cutters'.
Box cutters was picked by the airlines because it was one of those things that it actually was legal to bring on an airplane, and they wanted it to be a failure of regulations.
In reality, they probably, indeed, had combat knives. But the airlines didn't like that, because it would be their failure to keep illegal weapons off airplanes.
In fact, there's not actually any evidence they didn't have guns. The passengers on Flight 93 thought they only had knives, but considering their attack failed, it's entirely possible it failed because, duh, they got shot. And even then, no guns on 93 didn't mean there weren't guns elsewhere.
But 'box cutters' is now ingrained on American mythos.
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
For the record, during the entire period of flight in which they alleged to have received and made calls, they were out of cell phone range and no passengers had satellite phones.
The heroic story sounds great, but there is no way any of the calls in question could have been made. All we have to go by are the black box recordings. It is a very human desire to add a glimmer of hope to a tragedy, and we have extrapolated all kinds of meanings from admittedly cryptic and brief bursts of information that we do have.
This is quite similar to the 'heroic' rescue of Jessica Lynch, in which all the heroism was fabricated to make an epic story that would boost morale and justify our position in the war.
Yeah, the Compaq C712NR does the same thing... maybe you got the HP version of my laptop? It's frakkin' annoying.
I'm sorry, I was a bit confused. Somehow I thought /. was for stuff that matters. Now I will have to go Batleth crazy on your arse.
Or order a beer in the lounge once you past the security checkpoint, open the bottle (so it doesn't pop on you when the pressure changes) and drink it, and put the empty in your carry on. You've already passed the security checks so from there on it's good times.
And yeah, they were still selling beer in bottles at the airport the last time I flew a few months ago.
The world you experience is only a close approximation of reality.
Higher purpose? They didn't even need that. Their choices were:
1 - Do nothing and die
2 - Do something and have a chance of living
...this was a *real* Klingon trying to raise some cash to repair his Bird of Prey?
I just *knew* we would screw up our initial First Contact opportunity!!!!
You are a moron.
At 40,000 feet you are less than 8 miles away from the ground which is well in range of a cell phone tower. What limits most cell phone towers is obstructions to line of sight. The biggest reason why cell phones are not allowed on airplanes is that 1) they are fucking annoying and 2) it makes a mess of the cell phone companies because TOO MANY cell phone tower can see a single phone and they have to pass off the signal quickly as the airplane blasts on. They work just fine. For shits and giggles, try using one in an airplane bathroom some time.
Jesus, you don't even need to be a crazy conspiracy nut... just try turning a fucking phone on in an airplane and see that you can take the tinfoil hat off.
As noted in your linked wikipedia reference, people check in their sgian dubh when travelling on planes even though its legal to wear one when dressed up in the full rig back home. Quite funny when you see wedding parties travelling out to USA or elsewhere checking in a dozen or more knives into a bag on the ticket counter, ready to be stashed on the flight deck for the duration.
Mind you when you rent the whole wedding outfit the sgian dubh they put in is some little plastic and tin thing that you'd have a hard time opening letters with :-)
My first reaction is that it was shot down. The small amount of official data does not rule that out. Unfortunately the investigation was blocked by splitting it into two parts and canceling the last one. So it will be a while before we find out what did go on, if ever.
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
...welcome our new Klingon overlords.
I think they had halberds, specifically the Sempach model but with shortened hafts. And I have just as much evidence as you do for your crackpot theory.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Star Wars isn't even real, man.
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He's not a moron. He's an asshole who should be put to death in front of his immediate family. He needs his mug of smug of the day otherwise he can't fulfill his OCD obligations of pointing out people wrong on the internet without doing basic fact checking. He's also probably one of the "towers imploded" cunts.
I'd like to free up some jobs in America by implementing a federal extermination program of these inbred conspiracy wackos and historical revisionists. It's good for the country - it's good for the economy.
That someone recognized it as a Klingon Bat'leth. Who was the trekkie who recognized it? A cop?
Box cutters was picked by the airlines because it was one of those things that it actually was legal to bring on an airplane, and they wanted it to be a failure of regulations. In reality, they probably, indeed, had combat knives. But the airlines didn't like that, because it would be their failure to keep illegal weapons off airplanes.
Yeah, that seems sadly accurate.
In fact, there's not actually any evidence they didn't have guns. The passengers on Flight 93 thought they only had knives, but considering their attack failed, it's entirely possible it failed because, duh, they got shot. And even then, no guns on 93 didn't mean there weren't guns elsewhere.
Their attack did not fail. It was about to succeed, which is why the terrorists rolled the plane and made it crash rather than have the passengers regain control. If their attack had failed, the terrorists would have remained in control, and the plane would have reached its destination.
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I don't think I said I had any evidence at all for anything.
I said there wasn't evidence that they had box cutters, or combat knives, or six Bismarck class battleships hidden in their socks. Nor was there any evidence they didn't have those things.
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
at first glance, the headline looked like 'Man Robs Convenience Store With Klingon Breath'.
Boy, I've been accused of having bad breath in the morning, but I can't imagine how bad this guy's must have been!!
Sure, that knife/gun/whatever-wielding guy would only be able to hurt one or two people before they go down.
It all looks straightforward until you realize that *no one* wants to be the one that gets stuck/shot/whatever.
I've read about that looong time ago.
I even remember that they added wooden fins to the torpedoes which allowed their use in the shallow water.
And that the torpedo nets were referred to as crinolines.
I just couldn't for the life of me remember WHERE the battle took place. OR who was actually doing the fighting. XD
Like I said... I was... maybe 10 when I read about it.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
Except that Edward Jay Epstein is wrong when he says that no witnesses reported the hijackers having box cutters.
The 9-11 Commission Report states: "At some point between 9:16 and 9:26, Barbara Olson called her husband, Ted Olson, the solicitor general of the United States. She reported that the flight had been hijacked, and the hijackers had knives and box cutters. She further indicated that the hijackers were not aware of her phone call, and that they had put all the passengers in the back of the plane. About a minute into the conversation, the call was cut off. Solicitor General Olson tried unsuccessfully to reach Attorney General John Ashcroft."
In fact, Epstein later says that Barbara Olson indeed did call her husband and tell him that the terrorists had knives and box-cutters.
He also argues that since we've not found the remains of plastic knives and box cutters in the rubble (and how would we know that those weren't in the building and not the plane?) and that somehow casts doubt that the terrorists had them. Then he mentions how they may have had guns and bombs, but we didn't find the remains of those either, and yet the earlier doubts don't apply in that situation?
Is it just me or is he holding that Bat'leth backwards in the picture?
Dammit, one misclick and i have to post and wipe out all my other moderations.
Stupid web 2.0 shit. Give my my damn dropdown and confirmation box back!
Rant over.
Sorry, that redundant mod was not intentional.
For large sets, this will be our guide even unto death, for the LORD will work for each type of data it is applied to...
"OK... if you can say 'Give me all your money' in Klingon, you can have it!"
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
>>It comes down to the information available to the respective passengers.
You are absolutely right. It does come down to the information that the passengers have.
In the case of the heroes on Flight 93, they knew about the WTC - having gotten the information when calling for help or to say goodbye to their families.
Once the people on that plane knew what the deal was, they set the example for how to deal with hijackers going forward.
God bless them.
Huh?
Well, with combat knives, and using these knives to grievously injure, but more likely ending up killing a flight attendant and IMO, most likely the pilot, co-pilot and flight engineer were also killed. Also, there was the application of some kind of liquid noxious chemical agent in the first class section. I'm not sure if it was determined ever if this chemical was lethal, or just an irritant for instance something similar in effects to tear gas. This is what I vaguely remember from published sources when the recorded conversations were released a few years ago. The one much of this comes from I think was a conversation with a flight attendant from the second collision in the World Trade Center. I don't feel like finding sources right now, and may be wrong in places, so go to Wikipedia or get the transcripts from the FAA, NTSB, or whomever.
Impersonating Tycho from Penny Arcade since before there was a PA.
You are over-reacting... We don't need to ban all replica's... we can just require that all replica's have the tips painted with day-glo orange paint so they can be quickly determined to be replicas or real...
Why do you honour them as heroes then?
Why don't you spell "honor" properly? We might take your half-baked opinion more seriously.
NOT!
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
As Worf said, those more human-looking Klingons are a branch of the Klingon genome that other Klingons do not speak of... Still, they swing a mean batleth.
My God! you're right! I'm petitioning Obama to outlaw these dangerous bags immediately! We must make our airways safe!
If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
It did fail - the passengers didn't regain control and land safely. But given that the terrorists did not reach their intended target, I think we can call it a tie.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Thanks for showing your American ignorance to the world.
In Europe we learn to write proper English you know, the one that is written and talked by the ones that actually "invented" the language?
It's written honour not honor!
and everyone knows going to cuba tops being slashed with a razor.
Actually it's a Compaq F700 but since the merge I don't bother differentiating between them and HP. :)
At least I know it's nomet just.
At least I know it's nomet just.
Motherfucker... ...not just me...
Offtopic, but mine does too. Can't figure out what's going on. Also HP.
...it sounds much better in the original Klingon.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Maybe it's your touchpad/trackpad? Say while typing you accidentally brush the touchpad and thus move the cursor?
Is it possible to turn it off and use a mouse instead, and then see if the problem still happens?
It is the touchpad, it's got crazy different sensitivity settings. Sometimes is VERY uber responsive, like his typing, and other times it's sluggish, skittish and in general pretty misbehaving. I think it's crap manufacturing, but maybe that's just me. It was a black friday $300 special. :-D
The sword nerds have been heard from. After further analysis of the surveillance video, it's been determined that the weapon was not a Batleth, but a Valdris. It's not a useless two-handed sword like the Batleth, it's a large, single-handed, double-ended knife. Retails for $49. More for intimidation than actual use.
This robber isn't a Trekkie. He's a knife nut.
Ahahaha.
Thanks for showing your American ignorance to the world.
In Europe we learn to write proper English you know, the one that is written and talked by the ones that actually "invented" the language?
It's written honour not honor!
I'm perfectly well aware of the variations between American English and Queen's English. My fiancee is African, as it happens: she's multilingual anyway, and she learned Queen's English in childhood. I, on the other hand, am an American and consequently learned American English. You're obviously one of those people who look down upon those who speak other than your "approved" dialect: that's just ridiculous and more than a little arrogant. I'd take pity on you, but you're just too unpleasant.
In Europe we learn to write proper English you know, the one that is written and talked by the ones that actually "invented" the language?
Other Europeans may but you do not, at least, not well. Language is written and spoken, for example, not "talked". You would do well to look to your own linguistic skills before deriding mine. Furthermore, it hardly matters who "invented" the language (it's not like languages are copyrighted.) Like most languages that are in widespread use over a significant amount of time, numerous variations appear. American English is one of them, and is arguably the most popular lingua franca ever introduced. My understanding is that China has more people learning American English than the entire population of the United States. That's kind of unnerving, actually, but it means that my variant of English isn't going away anytime soon.
The fact that I spell honor without the 'u' does not make my language "wrong" or "unacceptable" unless you're a snob, or happen to be feeling inferior to Americans for some reason.
But that's your problem.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
The fact that I spell honor without the 'u' does not make my language "wrong" or "unacceptable"
Well, I didn't say it, in fact you said the opposite:
Why don't you spell "honor" properly? We might take your half-baked opinion more seriously.
You would do well to look to your own linguistic skills before deriding mine
It's ok, you just answer me in Portuguese, Spanish or French then (or even Italian), and we can all see who has linguistic problems here, ok? Were I come from, people tend to try and be educated ... that also means that you are supposed to learn other languages, not just for the sake of being able to communicate with other people from around the globe (otherwise we would just stick to English), but to actually try and understand a bit more about other cultures.
unless you're a snob, or happen to be feeling inferior to Americans for some reason.
And don't worry, nobody in Europe (or at least European Union) feels inferior to Americans in anyway possible, we may have our own problems, but pining to be like Americans would be the last thing in our mind ... we may not have as much money, but at least we have this thing called culture that goes along with another thing called history ... but you probably don't know what that is.
Oh that is rich. Europeans don't try to emulate Americans. Good one.