I just downloaded and ran the Linux version of Sublime Text 2. All German characters as well as all dead keys on my keyboard are ignored. Nothing happens when I press those keys. So I can't type the text I need to type. This is a text editor that you can't write actual text with. Am I right? What use is that? No other programs in my computer have problems with those characters.
"The point is that you quickly come up with short forms of long words, in whatever language, so that in itself is a poor argument against switching to metric."
Yes, that is true. In Swedish and German "kilo/Kilo" is used for "kilogram", but "kilometer" is always in the full form in Swedish. In Korea they mostly use "kilo" for "kilometer", but they use it for "kilogram" as well! I guess context helps al lot.
"in casual speech, people in metric countries say "k" for kilometres"
We do???
I've lived most of my life in metric Sweden, and for years in Germany and in Korea (both metric). I've never ever heard anything like "k" for "kilometers", except for the abbreviation "kmh" - "ka em ha" - that the Germans often use in speech, but I've never heard any German use "5 k" for "5 Kilometer".
Everyone seems to be stuck on the idea of MP3s. That's all we ever hear, when it's about distributing music on the net. MP3, MP3, MP3... So when the CDs disappear completely, all we will have will be MP3s? No WAV files? No actual original full quality source files? Just crappy low quality MP3s? No way to make FLAC files?
Sounds... not so great...
It's only a matter of time before this is figured out. Heads will roll - in some cases figuratively and in some cases literally.
You must be new here. And I don't mean "new on Slashdot". I mean "new in the real world". No heads will roll. Nothing will happen. Life and corruption will go on just like before. Business as usual.
Brilliant! The WT page states that WT "Generates standards compliant HTML or XHTML code". But the page itself is not valid, and the gorram "Hello world"-example is also not valid, and - as it seems - the same goes for all other WT examples on that site!
No, I don't think I will use WT.
is there a single person here who has trouble downloading a pirated song today?
Trouble finding songs I want to download? Absolutely. There are hundres of songs that I'd like to download but can't find anywhere. The torrent sites have a very thin and boring choice of music. Only the most popular stuff is easy to find.
The word Sony is mentioned a lot here. I'm puzzled. Didn't we all agree that we shouldn't buy Sony anymore? Or was that in an alternate universe where Sony actually uses root kits?
It works for UTF-8 or any other encoding, but only if the message uses Base-64 or QP to reencode everything as ASCII. If the message uses "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit", then it gets mangled. Those messages are OK if you use the web interface, but they are destroyed in IMAP transfer.
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I've submitted a bug report now. Thanks for your help!
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Please go to here ("http://mail.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact=1&ctx=contact-us") to contact the gmail team with this issue
Sorry. There is no contact link (e-mail or other) in that page, and no other suggestion on how to reach the Gmail programmers. I think there used to be a contact address there, but it was removed for some reason...
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!!! Thanks for your reaction. This is the first time I've received any reaction from Google to bug reports (or similar complaints).
Please go to here to contact the gmail team with this issue
That hasn't worked before. Maybe Slashdot is better. But I'll try again.
I personally have tried this with foreign emails written in KOI8-R, UTF-8, GB2312, and ISO-8859-1 charsets.
Maybe they were all encoded with BASE-64 or QP. Such messages seem to survive.
This is the point where I should probably mention that messages in UTF-8 (Unicode) re-encoded with BASE-64 get mangled by Gmail when sent through the ordinary Web interface. It's not as bad as the IMAP bug, but still annoying. What happens is that all line endings are encoded in the wrong way. Most e-mail programs can handle the non-standard line endings, but some can't (e.g. Outlook and Eudora). Users of those programs get my Unicode messages as one long string with no line breaks. Not very readable. I've already reported that bug to the Gmail team, but there was no reaction. Maybe they think that the bug is in Outlook and Eudora. That is however wrong. The bug is in Gmail.
The reason I use Gmail through Thunderbird is that bug. I send lots of mail to users of Outlook and Eudora. They can hardly read my mails if I use the Web interface, but when I send them from Thunderbird everything's OK, since the BASE-64 reencoding does not happen.
Rant off...
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But it's not all broken as you said.
True. After searching through my messages I managed to find a few that have not been totally destroyed. But it's still broken enough, I'd say, like "several thousand e-mails turned into garbage"-broken.
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I just tried the new shiny IMAP support in Gmail. All my messages seemed to download quickly and easily, and all seemed well. But a closer look revealed the horrible truth: All non-ASCII characters in all messages (received or sent) have turned into question marks (two or more for each character). So beware!
It seems that Google have fired all employees that know anything about character encoding issues. Google used to do such things very well, but that is falling apart in a very ugly way. Google Groups was the major example, but now Gmail IMAP has probably taken its place as the major Google character encoding debacle. If it weren't for the fact that the Google Groups character encoding bugs (major bugs!) have remained unsolved (with no reaction whatsoever from the programmers) for a very long time now, I would have supposed that these IMAP bugs will quickly be solved. But I'm not very optimistic, actually.
Of course, there are improvements and additional features, but nothing really really *really* major.
Most modern office software can handle Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Russian - sometimes even Arabic - and loads of other languages, even mixed in the same documents. Thats a really, really, really, *really* major improvement.
Germany didn't all of a sudden tank because of re-unification. Neither will South Korera.
You really can't talk about East Germany and North Korea in the same month or even year. They're really really different cases. In comparison East Germany was a pretty normal and sane country. I know, because my wife grew up there (and we have our second home there). No one went hungry in East Germany. In North Korea they are starving. There are North Korean refugees living in the South now. They have a very hard time getting used to living on a different planet. In general they don't really manage. Now think about the whole North trying to get into the South all at once trying get something to eat!
Only a person without understanding of Korean history and sentiment would make such a wildly false blanket statement.
Oficially the do want re-unification. And there are lots of sentiments in that direction. But from a practical point of view (that's the only that counts), re-unification is the last thing they want right now. The South Koreans have had an incredible economic upswing, and they now lead very comfortable lives. They don't want any re-unification sentiments to interfere with that economic paradise. Especially the young Koreans see the North as a different world. They want their DVDs and Computer games, and they want to have fun. A re-unification would destroy all that.
If I were the premier of China, I'd make a secret deal with SK to put a military sqeeeze on the place, since NK would probably be overwhelmed by a Chinese invasion. The Chinese could really come out looking like good guys if they then turned it over to SK for re-unification ala Germany.
South Korea would probably pay China not to do that. Noone in South Korea - not the politicians, not the ordinary people - wants a re-unification. A re-unificatiion would be an absolute disaster for the South Korean economy. I know. I happen to live there (Seoul).
Besides, the blame is probably on a few individuals who will be gone eventually.
Why would they go? They have probably been promoted already.
Look. What they did was criminal and immoral. Why should we let them get away with it? Why should we buy the products of a criminal company? I know there are heaps of people who do that all the time, and who don't care one way or the other. But I'm not one of them.
Yahoo Mail is worthless. It can only handle mail in Latin 1 encoding.
Self-correction: The old interface can't handle Unicode. The new beta however seems to do it correctly. Sorry about that. As it turned out the beta is not automatically available for everyone. My account was set to Sweden, and for some reason Swedes are not invited to the party. When I switched to UK, I immediately got invited to use the beta.
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I just downloaded and ran the Linux version of Sublime Text 2. All German characters as well as all dead keys on my keyboard are ignored. Nothing happens when I press those keys. So I can't type the text I need to type. This is a text editor that you can't write actual text with. Am I right? What use is that? No other programs in my computer have problems with those characters.
"The point is that you quickly come up with short forms of long words, in whatever language, so that in itself is a poor argument against switching to metric."
Yes, that is true. In Swedish and German "kilo/Kilo" is used for "kilogram", but "kilometer" is always in the full form in Swedish. In Korea they mostly use "kilo" for "kilometer", but they use it for "kilogram" as well! I guess context helps al lot.
"in casual speech, people in metric countries say "k" for kilometres"
We do???
I've lived most of my life in metric Sweden, and for years in Germany and in Korea (both metric). I've never ever heard anything like "k" for "kilometers", except for the abbreviation "kmh" - "ka em ha" - that the Germans often use in speech, but I've never heard any German use "5 k" for "5 Kilometer".
Everyone seems to be stuck on the idea of MP3s. That's all we ever hear, when it's about distributing music on the net. MP3, MP3, MP3... So when the CDs disappear completely, all we will have will be MP3s? No WAV files? No actual original full quality source files? Just crappy low quality MP3s? No way to make FLAC files? Sounds ... not so great...
No. Actually those figures indicate that the world has improved a lot. It used to be something like 0.001% valid pages. So 4% is a huge step forward.
I don't know, but I know that there are people who voted the current politicians into power. Blame them for everything that is happening!
You must be new here. And I don't mean "new on Slashdot". I mean "new in the real world". No heads will roll. Nothing will happen. Life and corruption will go on just like before. Business as usual.
Brilliant! The WT page states that WT "Generates standards compliant HTML or XHTML code". But the page itself is not valid, and the gorram "Hello world"-example is also not valid, and - as it seems - the same goes for all other WT examples on that site! No, I don't think I will use WT.
The word Sony is mentioned a lot here. I'm puzzled. Didn't we all agree that we shouldn't buy Sony anymore? Or was that in an alternate universe where Sony actually uses root kits?
It works for UTF-8 or any other encoding, but only if the message uses Base-64 or QP to reencode everything as ASCII. If the message uses "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit", then it gets mangled. Those messages are OK if you use the web interface, but they are destroyed in IMAP transfer.
I've submitted a bug report now. Thanks for your help!
Sorry. There is no contact link (e-mail or other) in that page, and no other suggestion on how to reach the Gmail programmers. I think there used to be a contact address there, but it was removed for some reason...
!!! Thanks for your reaction. This is the first time I've received any reaction from Google to bug reports (or similar complaints).
That hasn't worked before. Maybe Slashdot is better. But I'll try again.
Maybe they were all encoded with BASE-64 or QP. Such messages seem to survive.
This is the point where I should probably mention that messages in UTF-8 (Unicode) re-encoded with BASE-64 get mangled by Gmail when sent through the ordinary Web interface. It's not as bad as the IMAP bug, but still annoying. What happens is that all line endings are encoded in the wrong way. Most e-mail programs can handle the non-standard line endings, but some can't (e.g. Outlook and Eudora). Users of those programs get my Unicode messages as one long string with no line breaks. Not very readable. I've already reported that bug to the Gmail team, but there was no reaction. Maybe they think that the bug is in Outlook and Eudora. That is however wrong. The bug is in Gmail.
The reason I use Gmail through Thunderbird is that bug. I send lots of mail to users of Outlook and Eudora. They can hardly read my mails if I use the Web interface, but when I send them from Thunderbird everything's OK, since the BASE-64 reencoding does not happen.
Rant off...
True. After searching through my messages I managed to find a few that have not been totally destroyed. But it's still broken enough, I'd say, like "several thousand e-mails turned into garbage"-broken.
I just tried the new shiny IMAP support in Gmail. All my messages seemed to download quickly and easily, and all seemed well. But a closer look revealed the horrible truth: All non-ASCII characters in all messages (received or sent) have turned into question marks (two or more for each character). So beware!
It seems that Google have fired all employees that know anything about character encoding issues. Google used to do such things very well, but that is falling apart in a very ugly way. Google Groups was the major example, but now Gmail IMAP has probably taken its place as the major Google character encoding debacle. If it weren't for the fact that the Google Groups character encoding bugs (major bugs!) have remained unsolved (with no reaction whatsoever from the programmers) for a very long time now, I would have supposed that these IMAP bugs will quickly be solved. But I'm not very optimistic, actually.
"Guilty until proven innocent?, Innocent until proven guilty.
So which one is applied by the modern court system?"
None of them. The rule currently in force is "The one with
the most money is right".
South Korea would probably pay China not to do that. Noone in South Korea - not the politicians, not the ordinary people - wants a re-unification. A re-unificatiion would be an absolute disaster for the South Korean economy. I know. I happen to live there (Seoul).
Edschurr:
Fat chance.
Why would they go? They have probably been promoted already.
Look. What they did was criminal and immoral. Why should we let them get away with it? Why should we buy the products of a criminal company? I know there are heaps of people who do that all the time, and who don't care one way or the other. But I'm not one of them.
Edschurr wrote:
That's not the point of my boycott. My goal is not to change Sony's behaviour. My goal is to destroy Sony. They are criminals.
This is a Sony product. Remember what Sony did? (Think "rootkit").
So it doesn't matter how good the product is. I will not buy
anything from Sony, _ever_. The boycott is eternal.
Not that I have many illusions about the length of the
collective memory...
I wrote:
Self-correction: The old interface can't handle Unicode. The new beta however seems to do it correctly. Sorry about that. As it turned out the beta is not automatically available for everyone. My account was set to Sweden, and for some reason Swedes are not invited to the party. When I switched to UK, I immediately got invited to use the beta.
Still to many ads though...