Location based advertising - Isnt that called billboards?
Or store signs or product displays?
To say you want to claim the right that at X and Y coordinates you control the method of putting up product advertising with *gasp* price information is all silly - they are called signs. Stores use them all the time.
And yes IP specific advertisement has been around before the 2003-2004 patent. Now the IPs move and become mobile shouldnt make a difference.
There are couple of things that make Port-Au-Prince (PAP) unique. Haiti gets regularly hit by hurricanes. They have an abysmal electrical system. During normal times you are lucky to get 10 hours of electricity a day. There are 4 cell phone carriers, 30 percent of the population owns cell phones. If you are cell phone carrier, you always want to have 24 hours of operations. In order to do that in PAP you had to have a very robust generator - fuel supply system and distribution just to handle the "Haiti" normal daily power outages. So post catastrophe - guess what the cell phones came up pretty quick and many got to call the US to relatives to tell them "They are starving and had no water for days". I'm pretty sure no post-apocalyptic fiction writer saw that one possibly happening. Additionally with only one undersea cable a lot of telecom-traffic is handled by satellite and is also why TV/ISPs were able to deliver video and messages immediately after the quake. The water system in PAP was also lousy in normal times so water-trucks, walking 5 miles to a kiosk a large portion of the population was used to that. So when the quake hit and the city lost its mains. The water trucks still worked. So ironically their horrible utilities and the system in place to cope with that saved many in a quake generated catastrophe.
Ham radio does not pretend to replace the phone company / 911 and never did. So you're a little misinformed there. And among the ham radio guys... all 650,000 in the US less than one half percent are trained and have an interest in emergency communications Even then I am being generous.. probably closer to a quarter of percent. Yes the ham radios and antennas can cost from 600-2500 dollars depending on your goals, but the equipment lasts 20 years. So exactly how much money have you spent on computer equipment in 20 years and how much is that biyearly cell phone contract? Ham radio plays a very very small but necessary role in helping route emergency information from point A to point B when all else fails it is the last line of communication. Even in Katrina, the two groups I am credited with helping assist used cell phones to call out to a distant relative, I just completed their call for help to the closest authority. Even in the twitter example it took several hops to find someone who could help.
Ham radios role in Haiti this time can be counted on one hand. I knew one of the two Haitian Ham radio operators that got on air a couple days after the quake. Almost all in the Haitian Radio club had lost a relative to the quake. How many Ham radio operators do think a very impoverished country as Haiti has? Exactly what is that Haitian radio operator going to say on day two after the quake that we didnt already know. We were sending the kitchen sink, the bathroom sink our neighbors sink in an effort to help take away some of the misery.
As a life long computer geek and later radio geek I applaud ANY means of communications method that saves lives and minimizes human misery.
Every disaster is different... if a category three hurricane hit PAP there would be no cell phone, nor satellite dishes... But that undersea cable would still be there and radio always works.
Long before the commercial internet the network of places of interests were held together by *gasp* modem and phone line. Then came ISDN , then DSL... all ran over the same copper.
MUSTANG SOFTWARE wrote a BBS package called Wildcat, which interestingly is still a viable product. Product is now supported by Santronics. They used dialup (network) registration along with an auto-patching and updating for new features. The software would not run unless you registered it via dial up (later the internet) as critical components to running were uploaded at the time of registration. This system ran on DOS and little later Windows NT 3, which I believe predates the 1991"patent". The Wildcat BBS was started in 1986.
The internet connection initiates at the phone jack for all but 3.7 million cable users which means the law and the rules of useage are governed by the phone system....
The best metaphor for port scanning using phone system terminology seeing it starts at the phone system is....
port scanning is equivalent to dialing a phone number to see if anyone is there, or if it is an active connection... and this is very similiar to telemarketing... In the state of Florida there is no law that says I cant have an autodialer dial all phone number to see if a human answers,modem or fax answers. I would be scanning phone ports. Not illegal and no ones property is trespassed.
Connecting to a machine via the internet and I go further and connect to port, this is no different than walking into a open store. However IF I change or modify any function of the machines operation then I have stepped onto someones property and the rules change. And in Florida we do have a law... called computer tampering a 3rd degree felony. I can look anywhere the access is not blocked as long as I dont modify anything.
But back to the phone system analogy... yes I can dial any phone number and all of them if I wish... but I cant do it repeatedly to the same number without running amiss of the law.
ANY comparison to property laws fail... because anyone can walk on your property and not break the law (watch out in Texas though) if the property does not have a POSTED sign... We dont have a very good equivalent on the internet.
The who is obviously from Russia...
After programming for 29 years I can tell you that MS doesnt have any source code that I'd be interested in... What innovated new product (or code) have they produced (notice I said produced instead of developed) that hasnt been done before by someone else??? This is just cracker job.. What "the compitetion steal this"... what competition?
Who'd want it??? WHy'd MS report this anyways... I can not see anything but bad PR coming to MS for reporting this... or they are in cohoots with the govt to get additional snooping laws passed.
As a long time coder of 29+ years, I've had a couple of ideas during my time that I thought would be beneficial to the 'community' as a whole and are not illegal, do not steal others ideas nor violate anyones IP... One idea I had that (involved me making no money from), I wanted to distribute as widely as possible with only some simple anonymous signature to identify authorship.
This idea wouldnt be anything corporations would be concerned about, however by creating and releasing this idea/program would guarantee that I would suddenly become an 'interesting' individual to my own government. To become an interesting individual is not what I recommend when it comes to the govt... I still feel very strongly about this idea.
Another idea I had did target a specific industry not known for organisation. However I knew if I would persue the idea I would have to establish a war chest to battle for the freedom of the product because, the idea would be seen as a threat by the specfic industry as a whole. So if I pursued this idea I would hope I had enough throwing power (distribution) to make enough money from this that I could afford any legal hassles. Only attraction to this idea was the potential money to be made.
So we have two different extremes; one an idea that I thought had very strong social redeeming values where I didnt make any money off of but would put me on 'the list'. Corporations wouldnt care, but someone somewhere in our govt would.
The other where I am creating money making software that would probably piss off the targeted industry (not music) and would be sued and harrassed. Neither of these ideas break ANY laws nor infringe on anyones rights but by their nature and subject matter they would be harshly scrutinized.
Well gentlemen and gentlewomen this current warranted paranoia is not the condition software creation should be in. We are NOW operating under the assumption that anything we create will piss someone off somwhere. This is NOT free speech. And the current legal atmosphere HAS OBVIOUSLY CHILLED THE SOFTWARE INDUSTRY as easily witnessed by the thoughts expressed in this forum. WRITING software is just like writing a book and should enjoy the freedoms that books have. Perhaps book publishing is a way.
The current crop of 'errant' legal renderings does have everyone speaking a little quieter and in hushed terms without ever even breaking any laws. This is not FREE speech nor how I envisioned software creation would be when I started 29 years ago. I have been so disenfranchised with the software industry that I gave up coding a year ago... Maybe its only a sabatical.
You dont believe there is a conspiracy or a creeping of lost rights? Not to increase the paranoia level, I present to you 2 examples that I stumbled on accidentally. I dont know the inside stories on either of these but a thinking person doesnt have to look far... This first site seems to have been 'picked' on because they used too many wrong words and subject matter..
http://www.plans-kits.com/
In this case Im sure its the govt that is applying pressure to this 'interesting' individual.
Let me ask you... did you hesitate at anytime visiting this site or viewing subject matter? If you did that shows you the level of paranoia that has been created. FUD.
This second example (hope it is still there), once again the individual uses the wrong words and attracted attention even though they have broke no laws... But were censored.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem& item=427604573
Its this silent creeping of 'censoring' or squelching of free expression that has me concerned.
It is indeed war... business is war. A multi-level war. (read Sun Tsu; The Art of War and The Five Rings).
The battle for freedom must be won over and over again. Whatever form of freedom you seek.
There is a want and a need that seems to be missing.
Organisation is the first step...
Anyone interested I can offer a mail list service and or message base section to fine tune or expand on any ideas presented here. Just email me.
I dont even own a Linux system...
The color of my skin is digital and you are my kind.
TrenchWarrior
If anyone takes the time and visits RadioShack's website they will see that RadioShack is giving away the CueCat for FREE... It clearly states that . An item that is given away free has no value.
An item that has no value is a poor candidate for court action.
I've seen radio shack paper adds also stating they are giving away the CueCat for FREE. If anyone might be out of line legally it might be RadioShack in reference to Digital Convergences EULA... FREE does not mean that I'm loaning it to you and have the right to take it back if I dont like how you use it... If Digital Convergence is insistant on this amazingly silly tactic, it only make people very irratated at Radio Shack... and with the Christmas Season approaching does Radio Shack want ANY negative consumer actions. If Radio Shack does NOT have Digital Convergence issue an appology then I believe Radio Shack should be held responsible for FALSE ADVERTISING...
Oh yeah the bar code reader is the UGLIEST one I have ever seen... FREE is probably the only way I'd ever hold one.
TW
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The correct patent is patent 7,668,832 granted Feb 23, 2010 as listed http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PTXT&S1=7668832.PN.&OS=pn/7668832&RS=PN/7668832 Thanks ButlerM
Location based advertising - Isnt that called billboards?
Or store signs or product displays?
To say you want to claim the right that at X and Y coordinates you control the method of putting up product advertising with *gasp* price information is all silly - they are called signs. Stores use them all the time.
And yes IP specific advertisement has been around before the 2003-2004 patent. Now the IPs move and become mobile shouldnt
make a difference.
There are couple of things that make Port-Au-Prince (PAP) unique.
Haiti gets regularly hit by hurricanes. They have an abysmal electrical system.
During normal times you are lucky to get 10 hours of electricity a day.
There are 4 cell phone carriers, 30 percent of the population owns cell phones.
If you are cell phone carrier, you always want to have 24 hours of operations.
In order to do that in PAP you had to have a very robust generator - fuel supply system and distribution just to handle the "Haiti" normal daily power outages. So post catastrophe - guess what the cell phones came up pretty quick and many got to call the US to relatives to tell them "They are starving and had no water for days". I'm pretty sure no post-apocalyptic fiction writer saw that one possibly happening.
Additionally with only one undersea cable a lot of telecom-traffic is handled by satellite and is also why TV/ISPs were able to deliver video and messages immediately after the quake.
The water system in PAP was also lousy in normal times so water-trucks, walking 5 miles to a kiosk a large portion of the population was used to that. So when the quake hit and the city lost its mains. The water trucks still worked.
So ironically their horrible utilities and the system in place to cope with that saved many in a quake generated catastrophe.
Ham radio does not pretend to replace the phone company / 911 and never did. So you're a little misinformed there. And among the ham radio guys... all 650,000 in the US less than one half percent are trained and have an interest in
emergency communications Even then I am being generous.. probably closer to a quarter of percent.
Yes the ham radios and antennas can cost from 600-2500 dollars depending on your goals, but the equipment lasts 20 years. So exactly how much money have you spent on computer equipment in 20 years and how much is that biyearly cell phone contract? Ham radio plays a very very small but necessary role in helping route emergency information from point A to point B when all else fails it is the last line of communication.
Even in Katrina, the two groups I am credited with helping assist used cell phones to call out to a distant relative, I just completed their call for help to the closest authority. Even in the twitter example it took several hops to find someone who could help.
Ham radios role in Haiti this time can be counted on one hand. I knew one of the two Haitian Ham radio operators that got on air a couple days after the quake. Almost all in the Haitian Radio club had lost a relative to the quake.
How many Ham radio operators do think a very impoverished country as Haiti has? Exactly what is that Haitian radio operator going to say on day two after the quake that we didnt already know. We were sending the kitchen sink, the bathroom sink our neighbors sink in an effort to help take away some of the misery.
As a life long computer geek and later radio geek I applaud ANY means of communications method that saves lives and minimizes human misery.
Every disaster is different... if a category three hurricane hit PAP there would be no cell phone, nor satellite dishes...
But that undersea cable would still be there and radio always works.
AG4ZG
Long before the commercial internet the network of places of interests were held together by *gasp* modem and phone line. Then ... all ran over the same copper.
came ISDN , then DSL
MUSTANG SOFTWARE wrote a BBS package called Wildcat, which interestingly is still a viable product. Product is now supported by Santronics.
They used dialup (network) registration along with an auto-patching and updating for new features. The software would not run unless you registered it via dial up (later the internet) as critical components to running were uploaded at the time of registration. This system ran on DOS and little later Windows NT 3, which I believe predates the 1991"patent". The Wildcat BBS was started in 1986.
tw
Being an online denizen since 1971. I can assure you that their will be no Faulkneresque writings come from texting or twittering.
What is lost is the ability to socialize in person.
A generation that has become Text Flowers...
tw
The internet connection initiates at the phone jack for all but 3.7 million cable users which means the law and the rules of useage are governed by the phone system.... The best metaphor for port scanning using phone system terminology seeing it starts at the phone system is.... port scanning is equivalent to dialing a phone number to see if anyone is there, or if it is an active connection... and this is very similiar to telemarketing... In the state of Florida there is no law that says I cant have an autodialer dial all phone number to see if a human answers,modem or fax answers. I would be scanning phone ports. Not illegal and no ones property is trespassed. Connecting to a machine via the internet and I go further and connect to port, this is no different than walking into a open store. However IF I change or modify any function of the machines operation then I have stepped onto someones property and the rules change. And in Florida we do have a law... called computer tampering a 3rd degree felony. I can look anywhere the access is not blocked as long as I dont modify anything. But back to the phone system analogy... yes I can dial any phone number and all of them if I wish ... but I cant do it repeatedly to the same number without running amiss of the law.
ANY comparison to property laws fail... because anyone can walk on your property and not break the law (watch out in Texas though) if the property does not have a POSTED sign... We dont have a very good equivalent on the internet.
The who is obviously from Russia... After programming for 29 years I can tell you that MS doesnt have any source code that I'd be interested in... What innovated new product (or code) have they produced (notice I said produced instead of developed) that hasnt been done before by someone else??? This is just cracker job.. What "the compitetion steal this"... what competition? Who'd want it??? WHy'd MS report this anyways... I can not see anything but bad PR coming to MS for reporting this... or they are in cohoots with the govt to get additional snooping laws passed.
As a long time coder of 29+ years, I've had a couple of ideas during my time that I thought would be beneficial to the 'community' as a whole and are not illegal, do not steal others ideas nor violate anyones IP... One idea I had that (involved me making no money from), I wanted to distribute as widely as possible with only some simple anonymous signature to identify authorship. This idea wouldnt be anything corporations would be concerned about, however by creating and releasing this idea/program would guarantee that I would suddenly become an 'interesting' individual to my own government. To become an interesting individual is not what I recommend when it comes to the govt... I still feel very strongly about this idea. Another idea I had did target a specific industry not known for organisation. However I knew if I would persue the idea I would have to establish a war chest to battle for the freedom of the product because, the idea would be seen as a threat by the specfic industry as a whole. So if I pursued this idea I would hope I had enough throwing power (distribution) to make enough money from this that I could afford any legal hassles. Only attraction to this idea was the potential money to be made. So we have two different extremes; one an idea that I thought had very strong social redeeming values where I didnt make any money off of but would put me on 'the list'. Corporations wouldnt care, but someone somewhere in our govt would. The other where I am creating money making software that would probably piss off the targeted industry (not music) and would be sued and harrassed. Neither of these ideas break ANY laws nor infringe on anyones rights but by their nature and subject matter they would be harshly scrutinized. Well gentlemen and gentlewomen this current warranted paranoia is not the condition software creation should be in. We are NOW operating under the assumption that anything we create will piss someone off somwhere. This is NOT free speech. And the current legal atmosphere HAS OBVIOUSLY CHILLED THE SOFTWARE INDUSTRY as easily witnessed by the thoughts expressed in this forum. WRITING software is just like writing a book and should enjoy the freedoms that books have. Perhaps book publishing is a way. The current crop of 'errant' legal renderings does have everyone speaking a little quieter and in hushed terms without ever even breaking any laws. This is not FREE speech nor how I envisioned software creation would be when I started 29 years ago. I have been so disenfranchised with the software industry that I gave up coding a year ago... Maybe its only a sabatical. You dont believe there is a conspiracy or a creeping of lost rights? Not to increase the paranoia level, I present to you 2 examples that I stumbled on accidentally. I dont know the inside stories on either of these but a thinking person doesnt have to look far... This first site seems to have been 'picked' on because they used too many wrong words and subject matter.. http://www.plans-kits.com/ In this case Im sure its the govt that is applying pressure to this 'interesting' individual. Let me ask you... did you hesitate at anytime visiting this site or viewing subject matter? If you did that shows you the level of paranoia that has been created. FUD. This second example (hope it is still there), once again the individual uses the wrong words and attracted attention even though they have broke no laws... But were censored. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem& item=427604573
Its this silent creeping of 'censoring' or squelching of free expression that has me concerned.
It is indeed war... business is war. A multi-level war. (read Sun Tsu; The Art of War and The Five Rings).
The battle for freedom must be won over and over again. Whatever form of freedom you seek.
There is a want and a need that seems to be missing.
Organisation is the first step...
Anyone interested I can offer a mail list service and or message base section to fine tune or expand on any ideas presented here. Just email me.
I dont even own a Linux system...
The color of my skin is digital and you are my kind.
TrenchWarrior
If anyone takes the time and visits RadioShack's website they will see that RadioShack is giving away the CueCat for FREE... It clearly states that . An item that is given away free has no value. An item that has no value is a poor candidate for court action. I've seen radio shack paper adds also stating they are giving away the CueCat for FREE. If anyone might be out of line legally it might be RadioShack in reference to Digital Convergences EULA... FREE does not mean that I'm loaning it to you and have the right to take it back if I dont like how you use it... If Digital Convergence is insistant on this amazingly silly tactic, it only make people very irratated at Radio Shack... and with the Christmas Season approaching does Radio Shack want ANY negative consumer actions. If Radio Shack does NOT have Digital Convergence issue an appology then I believe Radio Shack should be held responsible for FALSE ADVERTISING... Oh yeah the bar code reader is the UGLIEST one I have ever seen... FREE is probably the only way I'd ever hold one. TW