Wow... I usually don't take advantage of the +1 karma bonus, but I will this time even if it is modded offtopic later.
Someone tell me how the parent to this comment is a Troll?
I have no problem with Overrated moderation (since I'm usually not the one that caused the rating to be high) and I happily live with offtopic moderation but I never intentionally post Trolls or Flamebait.
Therefore I would like to see a cogent argument about how that was a troll when it is factual and directly related to the thread it was posted in.
Should keylogging a co-worked be illegal? Yes (though if it is done by your employer and you signed consent then no, just like phone monitoring... free will works both ways).
Should keylogging be considered wiretapping? NO. It is a distinctly different technology and all lumping things together does is make it easier to confuse the issue the next time someone wants a warrant to do something -similar-.
Keylogging, network interception and a whole host of other things are still quite different from basic phone taps. They should be given a distinct category that can be properly defined.
If anything, the expectation of privacy on the line between your computer and your keyboard is MUCH higher than any expectation people have today for phones (when was the last time you started typing and realized someone else was typing on your computer as well... VNC not included:).
Plus, you can't expect that by listening in on a phone you are going to regularly hear someone's social security # (my bank uses it for my login id... idiots), their credit card # (amazon), or their root password. Keylogging is far more invasive.
In the end I think the guy should be penalized more than wiretapping, but not -as- a wiretapper.
HP announced Novell/SuSE desktop bundling the other day. IBM announced Novell/SuSE server bundling yesterday. Both have been doing RedHat for awhile. Sun, Microtel and Wal-Mart have started selling JDS on Wal-Mart.com.
It may not be high visibility, but it's definitely there and on big name brands.
Do you know if AT&T has roaming agreements on GSM850 for other carriers? I might give my wife my T610 (she needs it at work where GSM900 works fine) if I can find a 850/900/1800/1900 phone so I can use it from home.
One was a key methodology change that affected Microsoft's channel business. The other was a public slap in the face that gives Big Business a wake-up call about MS's practices.
Both were required to get the job done. The DOJ did one but not the other, the EU did the other in response.
OEMs were only -part- of Microsoft's stranglehold. I was in Australia last year and Ireland this year to talk about competitive products to Microsoft (overseas Microsoft is just as reliant on direct sales as it is OEMs, OEMs are often much more regional outside of the states) and it was quite clear that people feel that the US government is in bed with MS because everything seemed to have gone away so quietly and MS is still exercising monopolistic attitudes with many groups because of it.
Even though $613,000,000 may be only a couple of percent of what MS can afford, it is a public statement of injury and will have at least as much of an affect in the longterm as the OEM issue did.
Nothing highlights the amazing cost that has been aquiring HDTV like this.
$1000 then / $4000 now for the first round of color TVs?
It was something like $10000-20000 for the first round of HDTVs. In the last year they were just now coming down to the $4000 range, especially if you count the cost of the HDTV tuner as part of the TV cost.
Today you can get them for sub-$1000 but not with a tuner so far, which puts it at a minimum of $1200 for full HDTV.
How long did it take before the broadcast networks considered color to be "it"? I know in the early 80's I was still watching on a B&W tv about 1/2 the time. -Good- color quality didn't really happen until the late 80's.
That is 30 years for a full transition.
Makes the time it has taken to get HDTV adopted (2 years before it is considered defacto, probably 10 more before you get rid of the majority of old color boxes that are using downscan converters) to be alot less painful than people usually make it sound.
For people who used RedHat because in the end it did still have a support option but was cheap/free if you didn't end up needing that support, FC1 is a non-option. In other words, they often still need the reassuring thought that they -could- buy support if it got down to it.
Had the DOJ followed through on it's case properly earlier, I don't think that the EU ruling would have been so harsh. The EU felt they had to send a message that someone was going to stand up.
Hell, if the DOJ had pursued real resolution there might not have been a case in the EU as Media Player might have been unbundled then.
Media Player is not the biggest anti-competitive piece they have anyway.
btw I doubt even the referer->GoogleCache mechanism would save most sites from the inadvertant DDOS that Google provided by that image link. Just more argument to Google and/. being better citizens.
Perhaps/. could wait to publish a story until Google had it cached and then give the -option- in a user pref to allow links to be rewritten to the Google cache...
Perhaps Google could add a new piece to the stale robots.txt standard like "cache-link-only" so that Google would know the author was only interested in being in the Google engine if Google directed all links to it's own cache for that particular site.
Both are opt-in programs that allow the rest of us to have good conscience when viewing tiny sites via links from beasts like Google and/.
BTW, I don't want people to get me wrong... I might not have a -job- without/. or Google since I use them for research and learning every day along with a host of other sites. I don't want them -gone- I just want them to be a bit more responsible for their actions. To paraphrase J. Depp, they're "something like big dumb pupp"ies... in this case we like to pet them and they're usually sweet but sometimes they can bite the hand that pets them when they get overzealous.
Depends on if you care if people see your site... I know one guy who takes all traffic referred by Google,/. and a couple of other sites (he occasionally publishes tech goodness) to the Google cached version of his page.
Most people can't afford to keep their personal servers ready to handle 1% of the load that Google's image fiasco or 10% of a popular article on/. can throw at them.
Should those people be penalized by not being able to have their own site (rather than surrendering control to a bunch of web farm monkeys)? No, sites like/. and Google, which espouse the idea of being good net citizens on principle should realize that often they are some of the worst net citizens out there.
Wow... wasn't expecting it to turn into a rant, oh well:)
Sorry, a bit more reading makes it look like AT&T's "GSM 850" is really a replacement of their analog 850MHz but running on 800MHz.
The T610 should be a GSM 900 / 1800 / 1900... to get AT&T's converted area (and AT&T also runs on one of the standard bands for their first round of PCS/GSM service, they're just converting their analog towers to GSM on a different freq) you'd need 800 / 900 / 1800 / 1900... ie a quadband phone. I doubt that any of the non-AT&T phones will support GSM 800 right now and not all of AT&T's phones do either.
If you research it it is far less restrictive, you just have to pick the right carrier.
I went to Ireland earlier this month and so I picked up a T-Mobile T610 and away I went. I didn't have it long enough to experiment with swapping the SIM with a prepaid, but all of T-Mobile's phones have the SIM card.
Apparently if you call 611 after having had the phone at least 2 weeks (I hadn't when I went) there are people who report online that T-Mobile will unlock your phone so that you can use a pre-paid.
I was a T-Mobile customer in the past (I had a couple years where a cellphone didn't make sense) and my wife and I both had phones. When my battery was down while we were travelling if I needed to make a call that would be billable to work I just swapped our chips for a bit.
While T-Mobile is a European company, I was a Voicestream customer before T-Mobile bought them and a Powertel customer before Voicestream bought -them- and all had SIM cards.
As for reception, the T610 worked perfectly over there. I think it is a tri-band phone so you'll get reception in GSM 800, GSM 1800 and GSM 1900 markets if I remember right. I was roaming on Vodaphone, Orange and O2 just fine. Each had their quirks (I couldn't check voicemail the normal way on one, another had to dial for awhile to connect to a WAP server instead of having an almost instant "ON") but nothing that stopped me from service. WAP worked everywhere as did SMS.
AT&T is converting their analog 850MHz to GSM, so there is another band out there that is GSM 850. I wish my T610 handled the AT&T GSM 850 frequencies since AT&T is the only carrier in my small neck of the woods. I don't know if the AT&T T616, which is basically the same phone but there are always differences, has a SIM card... if it does see if it handles the GSM 850 stuff and if so call AT&T to see if they will unlock the phone for you. If AT&T matches all of those criteria, they may work better for you. Otherwise I highly recommend T-Mobile for international solutions.
Oh and a hint if anyone is going to be in Ireland and gets a phone number from someone in N. Ireland... N. Ireland is part of the UK so their code is +44, not +77. That one got me for a day or so of trying to contact a friend since all they mailed was their number without the code.
Is the pre-release for 2.0 the same as saying 1.3.x (ie, odd versions are prerelease)? If so I don't need to worry about compiling 2.0 just to see the major differences, but if not I'll start compiling:)
Clinton was, as far as I can find, officially impeached by the House, however it was never voted on in the Senate and so impeachment did not proceed. I consider it "partially" impeached.
Nixon was a similar situation. Had he not resigned he -would- have been impeached by the House (first step), but he decided to avoid that and so was never actually impeached and so Clinton was closer to impeachment
Andrew Jackson was censured for refusing to extend the Bank of the United States (impeachment was considered and this was the basis for the consideration of censure for Clinton). Censure was later revoked by Congress after he had ended his term.
The only US president to be impeach was Andrew Johnson. While it was for a number of issues, the key to forcing the impeachment was Johnson's removal of Edwin Stanton (a long past relative and the reason I paid attention to the other possible impeachments from curiousity) from the office of Secretary of War. I won't bore with the details, they're available on Google if interested.
In the end Johnson, while being the only impeached president in history, was not removed from office and Stanton resigned. No US president has ever been successfully removed from office though if I guess correctly I think that Nixon -would- have been had he not resigned (which is a big reason for him to have resigned when he did).
Yeah, all off topic from Looking Glass, but a little history is a good thing now and then. I wonder if I'll get more -1 offtopics or more +1 informatives?
Unfortunately that doesn't do much good when almost no one uses that feature.
My domain gets NAILED by people who forged spam with as from it. I ended up doing the Bad Thing where I now simply filter out any MAILER-DAEMON-like address before it gets to my system. Only local daemon messages get to me.
I'm not kidding when I say I was getting 100+ bounced messages every single day because of other sites rejecting the SPAM that was forged with my address.
I guarrantee that I haven't got any DNS entries for IPs that are hosted overseas. Which means every single mail server that has been passing this SPAM -or- bouncing it has not been checking to see that the DNS is proper on the originator -or- the method is so sorely lacking as to be useless.
it's the difference between theory and practice... and in this case practice breaks the theory.
Any author who has any even remotely possibly interesting-to-geek material on their site who is not on a dedicated box with a full T3 who doesn't reject any request that is referer'ed by/. is behind the times anyway.
Free or not it would build "Zane's" product brand which means it has implicit value. That's what people in this thread often don't seem to be realizing.
If I give away a free meal with my name on the label, I am certainly expecting to retain credit for it (can you say "GNU"?). Maybe I'm a new vendor on the block and I want to show people how good my stuff is, or maybe I am only giving a free sandwich to 1 person in groups of 2 or more to draw them in to my store (which is very similar to giving away WiFi to draw people in).
Someone who takes my free sandwich, puts their label on it and then gives it away to another person weakens my brand. Money transferring or not, that is insulting at best and monetarily damaging at worse.
Besides, how many times has the argument against (SPAM|popups|etc) been that bandwidth is never free? If AMD were cosponsoring any location they were co-branding then that would be different, but the point of contention here is that there are places where AMD is "co-branding" (more like co-opting) -without- agreement and -without- chipping in for that pay-for bandwidth.
Ummm, you don't see someone putting a "Shell" gas station sticker on the window of a Conoco (or I would guess at least not without it being ripped off and the station owner mad).
You don't see bands (at least not ones with any class) putting up their sticker on the garage of the band next door.
From what I'm seeing these stickers don't advertise AMD hardware, they make it appear that AMD has something to do with a service that they really don't do anything to provide.
That's just misleading crap. I'm with others who hope that AMD didn't realize this was going to happen and that it is a marketing organization that AMD will quickly fire.
Funny, I've just got three direct friends on there, too, but I also have over 150,000 connections. Looks like we got the same gregarious rogue somewhere in the list. Did yours balloon from 2,000 to 150K+ in the span of a week or so?
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No kidding, I finally bothered to look at a Python script last week.
Wow ... I usually don't take advantage of the +1 karma bonus, but I will this time even if it is modded offtopic later.
:)
Someone tell me how the parent to this comment is a Troll?
I have no problem with Overrated moderation (since I'm usually not the one that caused the rating to be high) and I happily live with offtopic moderation but I never intentionally post Trolls or Flamebait.
Therefore I would like to see a cogent argument about how that was a troll when it is factual and directly related to the thread it was posted in.
Otherwise, dear moderator, you need a clue
Should keylogging a co-worked be illegal? Yes (though if it is done by your employer and you signed consent then no, just like phone monitoring ... free will works both ways).
... VNC not included :).
... idiots), their credit card # (amazon), or their root password. Keylogging is far more invasive.
Should keylogging be considered wiretapping? NO. It is a distinctly different technology and all lumping things together does is make it easier to confuse the issue the next time someone wants a warrant to do something -similar-.
Keylogging, network interception and a whole host of other things are still quite different from basic phone taps. They should be given a distinct category that can be properly defined.
If anything, the expectation of privacy on the line between your computer and your keyboard is MUCH higher than any expectation people have today for phones (when was the last time you started typing and realized someone else was typing on your computer as well
Plus, you can't expect that by listening in on a phone you are going to regularly hear someone's social security # (my bank uses it for my login id
In the end I think the guy should be penalized more than wiretapping, but not -as- a wiretapper.
HP announced Novell/SuSE desktop bundling the other day. IBM announced Novell/SuSE server bundling yesterday. Both have been doing RedHat for awhile. Sun, Microtel and Wal-Mart have started selling JDS on Wal-Mart.com.
It may not be high visibility, but it's definitely there and on big name brands.
Do you know if AT&T has roaming agreements on GSM850 for other carriers? I might give my wife my T610 (she needs it at work where GSM900 works fine) if I can find a 850/900/1800/1900 phone so I can use it from home.
One was a key methodology change that affected Microsoft's channel business. The other was a public slap in the face that gives Big Business a wake-up call about MS's practices.
Both were required to get the job done. The DOJ did one but not the other, the EU did the other in response.
OEMs were only -part- of Microsoft's stranglehold. I was in Australia last year and Ireland this year to talk about competitive products to Microsoft (overseas Microsoft is just as reliant on direct sales as it is OEMs, OEMs are often much more regional outside of the states) and it was quite clear that people feel that the US government is in bed with MS because everything seemed to have gone away so quietly and MS is still exercising monopolistic attitudes with many groups because of it.
Even though $613,000,000 may be only a couple of percent of what MS can afford, it is a public statement of injury and will have at least as much of an affect in the longterm as the OEM issue did.
Nothing highlights the amazing cost that has been aquiring HDTV like this.
$1000 then / $4000 now for the first round of color TVs?
It was something like $10000-20000 for the first round of HDTVs. In the last year they were just now coming down to the $4000 range, especially if you count the cost of the HDTV tuner as part of the TV cost.
Today you can get them for sub-$1000 but not with a tuner so far, which puts it at a minimum of $1200 for full HDTV.
How long did it take before the broadcast networks considered color to be "it"? I know in the early 80's I was still watching on a B&W tv about 1/2 the time. -Good- color quality didn't really happen until the late 80's.
That is 30 years for a full transition.
Makes the time it has taken to get HDTV adopted (2 years before it is considered defacto, probably 10 more before you get rid of the majority of old color boxes that are using downscan converters) to be alot less painful than people usually make it sound.
Nope.
Over 10 years they are down over all. As with many companies you would have only made significant money if you sold right before the crash.
10 year chart
For people who used RedHat because in the end it did still have a support option but was cheap/free if you didn't end up needing that support, FC1 is a non-option. In other words, they often still need the reassuring thought that they -could- buy support if it got down to it.
Red Hat would counter that they asked people to do just that for years and VERY few people ever put their money where their mouth was.
Had the DOJ followed through on it's case properly earlier, I don't think that the EU ruling would have been so harsh. The EU felt they had to send a message that someone was going to stand up.
Hell, if the DOJ had pursued real resolution there might not have been a case in the EU as Media Player might have been unbundled then.
Media Player is not the biggest anti-competitive piece they have anyway.
I use 'em all the time, but that doesn't make analogies any more accurate.
Comparing RFID to bar codes is close in that that is what most retailers want them for.
However, that doesn't change the fact that bar codes DO NOT TRANSMIT and CAN NOT BE SEEN unless you put them in plain site.
It's like the difference in security between an ethernet cable and an open WiFi signal. Same -intended- purpose, but one is far more prone to abuse.
btw I doubt even the referer->GoogleCache mechanism would save most sites from the inadvertant DDOS that Google provided by that image link. Just more argument to Google and /. being better citizens.
/. could wait to publish a story until Google had it cached and then give the -option- in a user pref to allow links to be rewritten to the Google cache ...
/.
... I might not have a -job- without /. or Google since I use them for research and learning every day along with a host of other sites. I don't want them -gone- I just want them to be a bit more responsible for their actions. To paraphrase J. Depp, they're "something like big dumb pupp"ies ... in this case we like to pet them and they're usually sweet but sometimes they can bite the hand that pets them when they get overzealous.
Perhaps
Perhaps Google could add a new piece to the stale robots.txt standard like "cache-link-only" so that Google would know the author was only interested in being in the Google engine if Google directed all links to it's own cache for that particular site.
Both are opt-in programs that allow the rest of us to have good conscience when viewing tiny sites via links from beasts like Google and
BTW, I don't want people to get me wrong
Depends on if you care if people see your site ... I know one guy who takes all traffic referred by Google, /. and a couple of other sites (he occasionally publishes tech goodness) to the Google cached version of his page.
/. can throw at them.
/. and Google, which espouse the idea of being good net citizens on principle should realize that often they are some of the worst net citizens out there.
... wasn't expecting it to turn into a rant, oh well :)
Most people can't afford to keep their personal servers ready to handle 1% of the load that Google's image fiasco or 10% of a popular article on
Should those people be penalized by not being able to have their own site (rather than surrendering control to a bunch of web farm monkeys)? No, sites like
Wow
And who cares about being modded down? *laugh*
"GSM 850" (AT&T) appears to actually run at 800MHz from some of the articles I've seen ... anyone know why the misleading name or is my info wrong?
Sorry, a bit more reading makes it look like AT&T's "GSM 850" is really a replacement of their analog 850MHz but running on 800MHz.
... to get AT&T's converted area (and AT&T also runs on one of the standard bands for their first round of PCS/GSM service, they're just converting their analog towers to GSM on a different freq) you'd need 800 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 ... ie a quadband phone. I doubt that any of the non-AT&T phones will support GSM 800 right now and not all of AT&T's phones do either.
The T610 should be a GSM 900 / 1800 / 1900
If you research it it is far less restrictive, you just have to pick the right carrier.
... if it does see if it handles the GSM 850 stuff and if so call AT&T to see if they will unlock the phone for you. If AT&T matches all of those criteria, they may work better for you. Otherwise I highly recommend T-Mobile for international solutions.
... N. Ireland is part of the UK so their code is +44, not +77. That one got me for a day or so of trying to contact a friend since all they mailed was their number without the code.
I went to Ireland earlier this month and so I picked up a T-Mobile T610 and away I went. I didn't have it long enough to experiment with swapping the SIM with a prepaid, but all of T-Mobile's phones have the SIM card.
Apparently if you call 611 after having had the phone at least 2 weeks (I hadn't when I went) there are people who report online that T-Mobile will unlock your phone so that you can use a pre-paid.
I was a T-Mobile customer in the past (I had a couple years where a cellphone didn't make sense) and my wife and I both had phones. When my battery was down while we were travelling if I needed to make a call that would be billable to work I just swapped our chips for a bit.
While T-Mobile is a European company, I was a Voicestream customer before T-Mobile bought them and a Powertel customer before Voicestream bought -them- and all had SIM cards.
As for reception, the T610 worked perfectly over there. I think it is a tri-band phone so you'll get reception in GSM 800, GSM 1800 and GSM 1900 markets if I remember right. I was roaming on Vodaphone, Orange and O2 just fine. Each had their quirks (I couldn't check voicemail the normal way on one, another had to dial for awhile to connect to a WAP server instead of having an almost instant "ON") but nothing that stopped me from service. WAP worked everywhere as did SMS.
AT&T is converting their analog 850MHz to GSM, so there is another band out there that is GSM 850. I wish my T610 handled the AT&T GSM 850 frequencies since AT&T is the only carrier in my small neck of the woods. I don't know if the AT&T T616, which is basically the same phone but there are always differences, has a SIM card
Oh and a hint if anyone is going to be in Ireland and gets a phone number from someone in N. Ireland
Is the pre-release for 2.0 the same as saying 1.3.x (ie, odd versions are prerelease)? If so I don't need to worry about compiling 2.0 just to see the major differences, but if not I'll start compiling :)
+1 Sarcastic :)
Almost.
Clinton was, as far as I can find, officially impeached by the House, however it was never voted on in the Senate and so impeachment did not proceed. I consider it "partially" impeached.
Nixon was a similar situation. Had he not resigned he -would- have been impeached by the House (first step), but he decided to avoid that and so was never actually impeached and so Clinton was closer to impeachment
Andrew Jackson was censured for refusing to extend the Bank of the United States (impeachment was considered and this was the basis for the consideration of censure for Clinton). Censure was later revoked by Congress after he had ended his term.
The only US president to be impeach was Andrew Johnson. While it was for a number of issues, the key to forcing the impeachment was Johnson's removal of Edwin Stanton (a long past relative and the reason I paid attention to the other possible impeachments from curiousity) from the office of Secretary of War. I won't bore with the details, they're available on Google if interested.
In the end Johnson, while being the only impeached president in history, was not removed from office and Stanton resigned. No US president has ever been successfully removed from office though if I guess correctly I think that Nixon -would- have been had he not resigned (which is a big reason for him to have resigned when he did).
Yeah, all off topic from Looking Glass, but a little history is a good thing now and then. I wonder if I'll get more -1 offtopics or more +1 informatives?
Unfortunately that doesn't do much good when almost no one uses that feature.
... and in this case practice breaks the theory.
My domain gets NAILED by people who forged spam with as from it. I ended up doing the Bad Thing where I now simply filter out any MAILER-DAEMON-like address before it gets to my system. Only local daemon messages get to me.
I'm not kidding when I say I was getting 100+ bounced messages every single day because of other sites rejecting the SPAM that was forged with my address.
I guarrantee that I haven't got any DNS entries for IPs that are hosted overseas. Which means every single mail server that has been passing this SPAM -or- bouncing it has not been checking to see that the DNS is proper on the originator -or- the method is so sorely lacking as to be useless.
it's the difference between theory and practice
Any author who has any even remotely possibly interesting-to-geek material on their site who is not on a dedicated box with a full T3 who doesn't reject any request that is referer'ed by /. is behind the times anyway.
Free or not it would build "Zane's" product brand which means it has implicit value. That's what people in this thread often don't seem to be realizing.
If I give away a free meal with my name on the label, I am certainly expecting to retain credit for it (can you say "GNU"?). Maybe I'm a new vendor on the block and I want to show people how good my stuff is, or maybe I am only giving a free sandwich to 1 person in groups of 2 or more to draw them in to my store (which is very similar to giving away WiFi to draw people in).
Someone who takes my free sandwich, puts their label on it and then gives it away to another person weakens my brand. Money transferring or not, that is insulting at best and monetarily damaging at worse.
Besides, how many times has the argument against (SPAM|popups|etc) been that bandwidth is never free? If AMD were cosponsoring any location they were co-branding then that would be different, but the point of contention here is that there are places where AMD is "co-branding" (more like co-opting) -without- agreement and -without- chipping in for that pay-for bandwidth.
Ummm, you don't see someone putting a "Shell" gas station sticker on the window of a Conoco (or I would guess at least not without it being ripped off and the station owner mad).
You don't see bands (at least not ones with any class) putting up their sticker on the garage of the band next door.
From what I'm seeing these stickers don't advertise AMD hardware, they make it appear that AMD has something to do with a service that they really don't do anything to provide.
That's just misleading crap. I'm with others who hope that AMD didn't realize this was going to happen and that it is a marketing organization that AMD will quickly fire.
Funny, I've just got three direct friends on there, too, but I also have over 150,000 connections. Looks like we got the same gregarious rogue somewhere in the list. Did yours balloon from 2,000 to 150K+ in the span of a week or so?