the exploiting, the conquering, the war is bad. slavery is none of that. slavery is nothing more than controlling someone else's life. it's often paid, sometimes isn't, and is always optional to both parties. slaves can leave at any time.
I think you're confusing slavery with forced slavery. that's imprisonment and slavery. it's the imprisonment part that's bad.
That makes zero sense. It's illegal for me to pay them, but you want me to pay them and be jailed. It's illegal for them to take money, but you want them to take it and get deported. Nothing about their presence was illegal until they got paid. and you're forcing that very situation.
a) it's not slavery when they can leave at any time b) slavery is not a bad thing. your country was built on it. you had a civil war for it too. c) slavery is only bad when you abuse your slaves -- as in bodily harm.
we just disagree on how to describe the counting. When I program the sorting algorithm to sort these applicants, I have all of the 100 interns beating all of the 52 non-interns who didn't get hired. so it's not 52 beating out 50. It's 100 beating out 52. and because my sorting algorithm is going to intermix the non-interns too, I get something like: AbAbAbAAbAbAbAbAAb. Which means that the very first intern hired beats out all 199 others. Th every last intern hired beats out 1 non intern hired, plus 52 non interns not hired, plus 48 interns not hired. You need to remember that those 52 interns who got hired beat out way more than just 50. They beat out 98, some beat out the other interns too.
there are countless activities which consume vast quantities of time and thus are only feasible for a select few. Painting comes to mind. Cooking comes to mouth. I love cooking. It takes very little time to learn how to bake fancy desserts at home.
go grocery shopping at farms. that's a pleasure in itself. aside from supporting farmers, the food is just so much better.
if you've got a motorcycle or a convertible, learn the pleasure of long relaxing drives on spectacular roads -- go find those roads near you.
learn to work on your own car. if you like that sort of thing.
learn to work on your house. learn to work on your neighbour's house.
good thing then that your voting system is specifically designed against that. All you need to do is to organize the poor, and get them to all vote the same way. again, remember, that how your country was built in the first place -- it's also why.
and that's rediculous. That's what makes the basic laws of the land retarded. Basic laws of the land: you can't be gay, have more than 2 children, make more than N dollars per year, have more than 1 car, have more than 1 wife, have more than 1 house, let your women show their faces, let your women wear clothing. How many more would you like?
You seem to forget that the laws are there to keep people from killing each other. Not to make things optimally efficient. I'm still a wild animal. I'm allowed to pee in the woods with all of the other wild animals.
I can agree to a contract below minimum wage laws. If you want your government to get in the way of two consenting adults, then you've got other problems. It's a contract, we both agreed. And you'll note that minimum wage laws are for employees, not contractors, and not interns.
Interviews can include useful work. Welcome to many competitions.
And yeah, they promissed to not pay me. I was welcomed to refuse. Refusing has consequences. They wouldn't want me around. There's nothing wrong with that. It's not embarrassing.
actually, I'm the third. I'm the business owner who spend about a decade being underpaid because I was a young and small company. It's called paying your dues. I've become a well-off and successful small business. Young people don't deserve to be paid for their labour. They aren't any good at it. They don't deserve anything, they don't know anything and they aren't taking any risk. they don't DESERVE anything because no one does. You don't have the right to a job.
they have the right to create their own business, take their own risks, and sign their own pay-cheques. If they aren't willing to be responsible for their own income, and they want me to pay them whether or not they earn any money for the company, (because you're not going to let me penalize them for being slow), then they'll go through whatever process I choose, or they won't get MY MONEY. It's that simple. I'm not forcing them to work for me. They are choosing to do so.
As I said, they can always start their own company. I did. I sign my own pay cheques. Welcome to independence. Have you ever signed your pay cheque?
I agreed to it going in. that's no illegal. for the company to give me a four month interview is not immoral. For me to take advantage of it, and wind up competing with six other interns is not illegal. For me to get the job offer when others did not is not immoral.
They didn't refuse to pay me. They promissed that they wouldn't pay me.
What's your problem here? Someone who didn't expect to get paid, and could leave at any time if they didn't like the work, stuck around and didn't get paid. They never needed to do the work. They could have walked out the door at any time. They literally had nothing to lose.
so if there are 200 graduates 100 non-interns, 100 interns 98 jobs exist 48 non-interns get hired 48 interns get hired another 2 interns get hired -- the extra 2% being discussed here.
those 2 extra interns beat out the 102 graduates who did not get any job. of those 102 graduates, 52 of them were non-interns. According to the 50% vs 48% that you mentioned, those 2 extra intern graduates who got hired automatically beat out the 52 non-interns, thus were only ever competing with the 50 intern graduates, because the fact that they interned mean that they instantly beat out 52 graduates who did not intern and didn't get hired.
so I stand by my comment, plus or minus 2 applicants.
you don't need to understand statistics when you're discussing absolute and countable numbers. there they are.
Umm, pearl harbor? You might want to remember that japan didn't bomb pearl harbor for no reason. you might want to notice what you did the day before.
and if you think that anything you do can stop another country from attacking you, then you didn't play enough cops and robbers as an eight year old. learn harder my friend, learn harder.
And stop quoting others. if you've got nothing innovative to contribute, I don't need to listen to you. I've an education of my own, I've come across all of the historical advice that you have, and then some.
you're incorrect. in canada, there are loads of options with which to do exactly what you're saying. but you're missing the bigger picture -- there's no money with which to do so. The fact that twice a year specific scenarios result in doing it for specific missions is irrelevant. The e-mail that I send through my canadian servers to my neighbour doesn't get used by any canadian government agency. It can be. And it isn't. The technology exists, the laws exist, the actual action does not.
That's a very important distinction, and I think you're missing it.
umm, I think you screwed up. Your number 1) is totally false. You said "They don't run for office." What you meant to say was that you don't run for office.
If you aren't happy with the candidates, you're expected to roll your own -- either you run, or back your friend into running. You have the right to free assembly. Get together with everyone else in this thread who agrees with your number 1, and start a new party.
That's a big part of the system. In fact, it's the very basis of your system. Those who sit and complain, are doomed to continue to sit and complain.
There are countless clubs in this world, car clubs, cooking clubs. Start a political club, and start changing your culture. You don't even need to get all the way to a full fledged party -- which wouldn't take long, by the way, about 8 years -- you just need to reach a status where existing parties respect your voice.
You're staring at a system in which the participants are happy and you are not. Get in there and fight. And if no one agrees with you, and you con't get any votes, then that means your country likes things as they are, and you should find another country that better aligns with your ideals.
no lost wages. I didn't qualify for anything. you don't take an internship when you can get a job. You take an internship when you can't get a job.
that is all that it needs to be. if you can get paid, then go ahead and get paid. you don't need the internship. congrats. but some people use the internship process specifically to skip being qualified for the real job. And that's a good thing. It lets people who are fantastic at the work involved skip the education system in which they may not be so fantastic.
It's simply another way to compete with the same crowd. You can choose to get better grades in school, better degrees, or internship experience. same crap, different angle.
so how much did you pay for your edication in lost wages? oh yeah, and in the actual cost of the education. oh yeah, and in the student loans.
wow, a great point. you're right, the secret stuff will just get even more intricate. but hey, this is why I'm pulling all of my money and business and tourism out. I'm just not interested in funding such a waste of money.
one adjusts the seatbelt when the belt gets stuck between one's belly and one's belt. cruise control impairs driver focus whilst the driver is pressing the button. cruise control also specifically impairs driver focus because that's exactly what it's designed to do -- to allow the driver to relax a leg.
a) your opportunity doesn't mean it's a big opportunity b) 2% is quite a lot. that means you instantly beat out 1 in every 50 applicants. how many resumes do out-of-work people usually send out? More than 50. c) it's not a lie, it worked for me at the time. You need to actually prove yourself. It's not easy. That's the point. But it is possible. It's not possible to prove yourself without being there.
Just because you sucked at your internship, doesn't mean that I did. My first internship got me one employee who vouched for my second internship. That second internship got me a great job offer -- that I turned down to start my own business because I didn't like working for someone else.
It's the opportunity to impress people. It's not any guarantee that you will. It's just a long and dragged out interview that lasts for months. That's all it is. And that's all it needs to be.
the one and only purpose of interning is to have the opportunity to shine. It's difficult to get hired as an employee -- there's a lot to prove and a lot of competition. It's way easier as an intern. And it's the foot in the door. You do have the opportunity to do really well, get noticed, and eventually get hired. And all you need to do is to work for free until that happens. That's pretty swell.
So let me get this straight. You've got a military that spends trillions of dollars. You've got eight national defence organizations screwing with your own citizens. And a) you think that you can dodge an organization that has spent that many dollars purely to find you, and b) you think that you don't have a cultural problem?
Where do you think all of those funds come from? For every tax dollar that you spend, how much goes to military, para-military, and anti-crime organizations? How much of it winds up in actual crime? Are you spending more on anti-crime than you would on crime in the first place?
Maybe you should solve the actual problem. Maybe you should start electing officials who spend your money on things that you like, instead of things that you dislike. I can't vote for you.
And correct me if I'm wrong -- you see, my country earned its independence by asking nicely -- doesn't your country believe in violently fighting your own government to break free of restrictions to your freedoms? Have you forgotten how to do that? Your right to fight would seem to be the only freedom for which you do fight, and then you don't use that right to protect your other freedoms.
One of these days, you'll wake up to realize that you've kept the right, but eliminated the opportunity. What good is the right to bear arms when you can't get away with using it?
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the exploiting, the conquering, the war is bad. slavery is none of that. slavery is nothing more than controlling someone else's life. it's often paid, sometimes isn't, and is always optional to both parties. slaves can leave at any time.
I think you're confusing slavery with forced slavery. that's imprisonment and slavery. it's the imprisonment part that's bad.
That makes zero sense. It's illegal for me to pay them, but you want me to pay them and be jailed. It's illegal for them to take money, but you want them to take it and get deported. Nothing about their presence was illegal until they got paid. and you're forcing that very situation.
I've been looking for an excuse to make the switch. And this does it for me. I'll be switched by the end of the year.
like I said, sorting algorithm would be written very differently.
a) it's not slavery when they can leave at any time
b) slavery is not a bad thing. your country was built on it. you had a civil war for it too.
c) slavery is only bad when you abuse your slaves -- as in bodily harm.
I was going with any illegal alien. The term doesn't specify origin, it only specifies an unlawful destination.
we just disagree on how to describe the counting. When I program the sorting algorithm to sort these applicants, I have all of the 100 interns beating all of the 52 non-interns who didn't get hired. so it's not 52 beating out 50. It's 100 beating out 52. and because my sorting algorithm is going to intermix the non-interns too, I get something like: AbAbAbAAbAbAbAbAAb. Which means that the very first intern hired beats out all 199 others. Th every last intern hired beats out 1 non intern hired, plus 52 non interns not hired, plus 48 interns not hired. You need to remember that those 52 interns who got hired beat out way more than just 50. They beat out 98, some beat out the other interns too.
Do you believe that alients deserve to be paid for their labour?
there are countless activities which consume vast quantities of time and thus are only feasible for a select few. Painting comes to mind. Cooking comes to mouth. I love cooking. It takes very little time to learn how to bake fancy desserts at home.
go grocery shopping at farms. that's a pleasure in itself. aside from supporting farmers, the food is just so much better.
if you've got a motorcycle or a convertible, learn the pleasure of long relaxing drives on spectacular roads -- go find those roads near you.
learn to work on your own car. if you like that sort of thing.
learn to work on your house. learn to work on your neighbour's house.
good thing then that your voting system is specifically designed against that. All you need to do is to organize the poor, and get them to all vote the same way. again, remember, that how your country was built in the first place -- it's also why.
replace "young people" with "aliens" and it's totally acceptable. why are we replacing my words?
and that's rediculous. That's what makes the basic laws of the land retarded. Basic laws of the land: you can't be gay, have more than 2 children, make more than N dollars per year, have more than 1 car, have more than 1 wife, have more than 1 house, let your women show their faces, let your women wear clothing. How many more would you like?
You seem to forget that the laws are there to keep people from killing each other. Not to make things optimally efficient. I'm still a wild animal. I'm allowed to pee in the woods with all of the other wild animals.
I can agree to a contract below minimum wage laws. If you want your government to get in the way of two consenting adults, then you've got other problems. It's a contract, we both agreed. And you'll note that minimum wage laws are for employees, not contractors, and not interns.
Interviews can include useful work. Welcome to many competitions.
And yeah, they promissed to not pay me. I was welcomed to refuse. Refusing has consequences. They wouldn't want me around. There's nothing wrong with that. It's not embarrassing.
actually, I'm the third. I'm the business owner who spend about a decade being underpaid because I was a young and small company. It's called paying your dues. I've become a well-off and successful small business. Young people don't deserve to be paid for their labour. They aren't any good at it. They don't deserve anything, they don't know anything and they aren't taking any risk. they don't DESERVE anything because no one does. You don't have the right to a job.
they have the right to create their own business, take their own risks, and sign their own pay-cheques. If they aren't willing to be responsible for their own income, and they want me to pay them whether or not they earn any money for the company, (because you're not going to let me penalize them for being slow), then they'll go through whatever process I choose, or they won't get MY MONEY. It's that simple. I'm not forcing them to work for me. They are choosing to do so.
As I said, they can always start their own company. I did. I sign my own pay cheques. Welcome to independence. Have you ever signed your pay cheque?
I agreed to it going in. that's no illegal. for the company to give me a four month interview is not immoral. For me to take advantage of it, and wind up competing with six other interns is not illegal. For me to get the job offer when others did not is not immoral.
They didn't refuse to pay me. They promissed that they wouldn't pay me.
What's your problem here? Someone who didn't expect to get paid, and could leave at any time if they didn't like the work, stuck around and didn't get paid. They never needed to do the work. They could have walked out the door at any time. They literally had nothing to lose.
so if there are 200 graduates
100 non-interns, 100 interns
98 jobs exist
48 non-interns get hired
48 interns get hired
another 2 interns get hired -- the extra 2% being discussed here.
those 2 extra interns beat out the 102 graduates who did not get any job. of those 102 graduates, 52 of them were non-interns.
According to the 50% vs 48% that you mentioned, those 2 extra intern graduates who got hired automatically beat out the 52 non-interns, thus were only ever competing with the 50 intern graduates, because the fact that they interned mean that they instantly beat out 52 graduates who did not intern and didn't get hired.
so I stand by my comment, plus or minus 2 applicants.
you don't need to understand statistics when you're discussing absolute and countable numbers. there they are.
now what percent of your milk is fat?
really wish I could mod you up. that's super-concise, I like it.
Umm, pearl harbor? You might want to remember that japan didn't bomb pearl harbor for no reason. you might want to notice what you did the day before.
and if you think that anything you do can stop another country from attacking you, then you didn't play enough cops and robbers as an eight year old. learn harder my friend, learn harder.
And stop quoting others. if you've got nothing innovative to contribute, I don't need to listen to you. I've an education of my own, I've come across all of the historical advice that you have, and then some.
you're incorrect. in canada, there are loads of options with which to do exactly what you're saying. but you're missing the bigger picture -- there's no money with which to do so. The fact that twice a year specific scenarios result in doing it for specific missions is irrelevant. The e-mail that I send through my canadian servers to my neighbour doesn't get used by any canadian government agency. It can be. And it isn't. The technology exists, the laws exist, the actual action does not.
That's a very important distinction, and I think you're missing it.
umm, I think you screwed up. Your number 1) is totally false. You said "They don't run for office." What you meant to say was that you don't run for office.
If you aren't happy with the candidates, you're expected to roll your own -- either you run, or back your friend into running. You have the right to free assembly. Get together with everyone else in this thread who agrees with your number 1, and start a new party.
That's a big part of the system. In fact, it's the very basis of your system. Those who sit and complain, are doomed to continue to sit and complain.
There are countless clubs in this world, car clubs, cooking clubs. Start a political club, and start changing your culture. You don't even need to get all the way to a full fledged party -- which wouldn't take long, by the way, about 8 years -- you just need to reach a status where existing parties respect your voice.
You're staring at a system in which the participants are happy and you are not. Get in there and fight. And if no one agrees with you, and you con't get any votes, then that means your country likes things as they are, and you should find another country that better aligns with your ideals.
no lost wages. I didn't qualify for anything. you don't take an internship when you can get a job. You take an internship when you can't get a job.
that is all that it needs to be. if you can get paid, then go ahead and get paid. you don't need the internship. congrats. but some people use the internship process specifically to skip being qualified for the real job. And that's a good thing. It lets people who are fantastic at the work involved skip the education system in which they may not be so fantastic.
It's simply another way to compete with the same crowd. You can choose to get better grades in school, better degrees, or internship experience. same crap, different angle.
so how much did you pay for your edication in lost wages? oh yeah, and in the actual cost of the education. oh yeah, and in the student loans.
wow, a great point. you're right, the secret stuff will just get even more intricate. but hey, this is why I'm pulling all of my money and business and tourism out. I'm just not interested in funding such a waste of money.
one adjusts the seatbelt when the belt gets stuck between one's belly and one's belt.
cruise control impairs driver focus whilst the driver is pressing the button. cruise control also specifically impairs driver focus because that's exactly what it's designed to do -- to allow the driver to relax a leg.
a) your opportunity doesn't mean it's a big opportunity
b) 2% is quite a lot. that means you instantly beat out 1 in every 50 applicants. how many resumes do out-of-work people usually send out? More than 50.
c) it's not a lie, it worked for me at the time. You need to actually prove yourself. It's not easy. That's the point. But it is possible. It's not possible to prove yourself without being there.
Just because you sucked at your internship, doesn't mean that I did. My first internship got me one employee who vouched for my second internship. That second internship got me a great job offer -- that I turned down to start my own business because I didn't like working for someone else.
It's the opportunity to impress people. It's not any guarantee that you will. It's just a long and dragged out interview that lasts for months. That's all it is. And that's all it needs to be.
the one and only purpose of interning is to have the opportunity to shine. It's difficult to get hired as an employee -- there's a lot to prove and a lot of competition. It's way easier as an intern. And it's the foot in the door. You do have the opportunity to do really well, get noticed, and eventually get hired. And all you need to do is to work for free until that happens. That's pretty swell.
So let me get this straight. You've got a military that spends trillions of dollars. You've got eight national defence organizations screwing with your own citizens. And a) you think that you can dodge an organization that has spent that many dollars purely to find you, and b) you think that you don't have a cultural problem?
Where do you think all of those funds come from? For every tax dollar that you spend, how much goes to military, para-military, and anti-crime organizations? How much of it winds up in actual crime? Are you spending more on anti-crime than you would on crime in the first place?
Maybe you should solve the actual problem. Maybe you should start electing officials who spend your money on things that you like, instead of things that you dislike. I can't vote for you.
And correct me if I'm wrong -- you see, my country earned its independence by asking nicely -- doesn't your country believe in violently fighting your own government to break free of restrictions to your freedoms? Have you forgotten how to do that? Your right to fight would seem to be the only freedom for which you do fight, and then you don't use that right to protect your other freedoms.
One of these days, you'll wake up to realize that you've kept the right, but eliminated the opportunity. What good is the right to bear arms when you can't get away with using it?