I know someone with one, so that's three for sure. I wouldn't be surprised if they've sold tens of phones.
"This is a Windows Phone. Prime quality. Feel it! And I can promise you it is not the only one we have. In Russia we have ho hooo... dozens of Windows Phones. Dozens! But this is our company's most popular product of all. Blue Screen! Finest quality. Try. By lucky coincidence we have more than 800 billion tons of it."
I think the main question is how much reworking is needed to make the apps run well.
It's pretty straightforward really, you take your iOS app, you throw away everything other than int main( int argc, char **argv ), and then you replace the rest of the code with the Windows 10 equivalent.
>they're probably talking about wanting to run Android/iOS apps on Windows 10 phone.
They are planning on selling only one piece.
No, no, no, that's not true! I once met a guy who had a Windows phone and he said his wife had one too, so they've sold at least two pieces. There may even be a third Windows Phone user out there (although I've never met him/her/it).
Well, the strategy worked so brilliantly for the Amiga (Emulate an Atari ST! Emulate a Mac! Emulate anything that isn't an Amiga!) that obviously Microsoft have decided to give it a go too.
It isn't straight awesome, it's an awesomely expensive techno-toy that'll end up like Excalibur rounds, where you practically need a written order from the president every time you fire one because they're so exotic and expensive. The damn things get delivered in private jets by a butler carrying them on a silk cushion, and there's more brass than gunners standing around when they're used. Given that for the cost of a single $80,000 Excalibur you could get an entire battery to carpet the area with $500 M107's, and then carpet five more targets and still not equal the cost of the one Excalibur, they are at best fancy technology demonstrators/toys. Now scale that down to whatever this thing will be called when it's deployed in 5-10 years time and you're still better off using a 5-10-round burst (with 4,990 rounds left to spare for the cost of one of the trick rounds) than using one of these toys.
(And before the first person leaps in to say "yeah, but give it time and they'll get cheaper", these things never get cheaper, for every development cycle they have more crap larded onto them so that, at best, the cost remains more or less constant, although more frequently it tends to go up).
Good point. I did the same thing, starting from Tripadvisor, and found Google Maps' behaviour pretty annoying, both what you've found (I don't want paid product placement for other hotels, that's what I'm using TripAdvisor for) and the fact that the location marker would randomly disappear (e.g. when scrolling around to find nearby amenities) so I'd have to close the window and go back to the link from TripAdvisor to reset things. I'm not saying Bing maps is perfect (far from it), but it sure sucks a lot less than the new Google maps, and now that Google are shutting down the "?output=classic" capability (which was, in turn, better than Bing) they're not giving you much choice about what to use.
It's, you know, look, I don't need you guys to be fans of the Pinto, I just need to know if there's something we want to keep here, it stays here. We don't need to know that Bucker Tarnhart's in the fucking airport when we haven't spoken to Syle Kipworth. I think we owe that fucking kid the right to be called and told that he's going to be sent down as opposed to reading that Bucker Tarnhart is on his way from Louisville. I just... I don't get it. I don't get why it's got to be this way. Has it always been this way where we just tell fucking everybody everything? So every fucking opponent we have has to know exactly what we have. Which fucking relievers are available, which guys are here and which guys aren't here, when they can play, and what they can do. It's nobody's fucking business. It's certainly not the opponent's business. We have to deal with this fucking bullshit.
I like to talk â" and I have spoken as candidly as I can with you people, if that's not good enough, I won't say a fucking thing. I'll go, 'yes sir, no sir.' And I can do that. But fuck, I've been as candid as I can fucking be about this team and our engineers, and we've got to deal with this shit, every fucking team that we fucking play has to know every fucking guy that's here and what they can and can't do? Fuck me. It's a fucking disgrace. I'm fucking sick of this shit. It's fucking hard enough to fucking win here to have fucking every fucking opponent know exactly what the fuck we bring to the table every day. It's fucking horseshit. I don't like it. It's what I'm saying. To make it very clear, I don't like the way that this shit's going â" at all. I don't like it. I don't think you guys need to know everything. And I certainly don't think you need to see something and tweet it out there and make it a fucking world event. How the fuck do we benefit from them knowing we don't have Mevin Desoraco? How do we benefit from that? They benefit from it. I just want to know how we benefit from these fucking people know we don't have a engineer here. Can you answer that? How is that good for the Pinto?
We've decided it's just not worth it, and would rather explain to users who email our support line that Google shut down the API.
That's something that's always amazed me about Google, if Microsoft did something like this (which they did in the 1990s), the masses would be at the gates with pitchforks and flaming torches screaming for blood. When Google behaves like Microsoft did 20 years ago... well, meh, it's Google, they can do that. What's changed?
Thanks for the link, the VB one contained the info I was after. Looks like a nice piece of work, and definitely a Gatekeeper bypass, just like the Linux repository signing bypasses where they didn't verify metadata.
I'd question that. No systemd based distro has been certified with EAL, FIPS, or Common Criteria yet.
What does that have to do with security? All of the certifications you've mentioned are an evaluation of how desperate a vendor is to bid on government contracts, not of the security of a system.
Allowing unsigned code into the app bundle changes the app bundle and makes the signature invalid. That's how signatures work. The idea here is that a legitimately signed and installed app can then execute code outside the app bundle which will run without additional controls in place.
It depends. If you can add metadata to the bundle without it being detected (a problem that has cropped up with Linux repositories several times) then this is a genuine vuln. If OTOH it's something like "If you install a Python interpreter then you can use that to run arbitrary code that isn't validated by Gatekeeper" then it's a "Code execution results in code execution" issue. In the great tradition of journalists everywhere, the ThreatPost article never provided any links to any original material, so all we have is the writer's interpretation of what's actually going on,
Assuming the previous reply was by the guy who gave the talk, is it online anywhere?
Of course it doesn't, everyone knows that! You cure cancer, and in particular pancreatic cancer, with a strict vegan diet, acupuncture sessions, drinking special fruit juices, hydrotherapy, and visiting spiritualists.
I am more interested in what it produces. Is the produced code fast and correct?
It's sometimes correct. When it's not correct, your bug report that it (for example) produces code that segfaults with -O3 on x86-64 is closed as "by design" because if you stare at the manpage long enough while drunk it could be interpreted as being allowable behaviour under certain circumstances and therefore doesn't need to be fixed.
That was my reaction too. "Latest update of bug-ridden, bloated alternative to LLVM released".
(And no, I couldn't give a toss about Apple, I just want a compiler where, for each new release, I don't have to spend a long-tail of several months identifying new compiler bugs and design "features" and adding code workarounds to deal with them).
Before you lambast Apple for poor engineering decisions, think carefully about the ramifications of using shared third-party libraries. DLLs have their own problems - hence the well known term "DLL Hell".
Uh, yeah, that was an issue for Windows 3.1 more than twenty years ago. There have been a few advances in dealing with this since then. Using Windows 3.1 engineering issues as an excuse for current bad engineering issues doesn't really cut it.
Having heard drunks argue, I can assure you it was not an articulate and well-reasoned discussion. The argument could have been about anything from a favorite phone operating system to a favorite sports team or a favorite color. The fact that they reached for the nearest beer bottle as a weapon is unsurprising.
Good point. I mean, arguing over who has the biggest di..phone and resolving the issue with broken bottles is kinda wimpy, nothing like the real arguments we had about serious issues like whether the Amiga was better than the Atari ST, which often came close to armed conflict. I mean, I personally beat some idiot to death with a VIC20 for suggesting that his Commie 64 was better than my IIgs. Now those were real arguments, none of this cellphone woosiness there.
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I know someone with one, so that's three for sure. I wouldn't be surprised if they've sold tens of phones.
"This is a Windows Phone. Prime quality. Feel it! And I can promise you it is not the only one we have. In Russia we have ho hooo... dozens of Windows Phones. Dozens! But this is our company's most popular product of all. Blue Screen! Finest quality. Try. By lucky coincidence we have more than 800 billion tons of it."
I think the main question is how much reworking is needed to make the apps run well.
It's pretty straightforward really, you take your iOS app, you throw away everything other than int main( int argc, char **argv ), and then you replace the rest of the code with the Windows 10 equivalent.
>they're probably talking about wanting to run Android/iOS apps on Windows 10 phone.
They are planning on selling only one piece.
No, no, no, that's not true! I once met a guy who had a Windows phone and he said his wife had one too, so they've sold at least two pieces. There may even be a third Windows Phone user out there (although I've never met him/her/it).
Why would anybody want this?
Well, the strategy worked so brilliantly for the Amiga (Emulate an Atari ST! Emulate a Mac! Emulate anything that isn't an Amiga!) that obviously Microsoft have decided to give it a go too.
Ah, that makes sense. It'll be interesting to see what snipers make of this, whether it's a help or more extra complexity to get in the way.
It isn't straight awesome, it's an awesomely expensive techno-toy that'll end up like Excalibur rounds, where you practically need a written order from the president every time you fire one because they're so exotic and expensive. The damn things get delivered in private jets by a butler carrying them on a silk cushion, and there's more brass than gunners standing around when they're used. Given that for the cost of a single $80,000 Excalibur you could get an entire battery to carpet the area with $500 M107's, and then carpet five more targets and still not equal the cost of the one Excalibur, they are at best fancy technology demonstrators/toys. Now scale that down to whatever this thing will be called when it's deployed in 5-10 years time and you're still better off using a 5-10-round burst (with 4,990 rounds left to spare for the cost of one of the trick rounds) than using one of these toys.
(And before the first person leaps in to say "yeah, but give it time and they'll get cheaper", these things never get cheaper, for every development cycle they have more crap larded onto them so that, at best, the cost remains more or less constant, although more frequently it tends to go up).
Cute toy though...
Good point. I did the same thing, starting from Tripadvisor, and found Google Maps' behaviour pretty annoying, both what you've found (I don't want paid product placement for other hotels, that's what I'm using TripAdvisor for) and the fact that the location marker would randomly disappear (e.g. when scrolling around to find nearby amenities) so I'd have to close the window and go back to the link from TripAdvisor to reset things. I'm not saying Bing maps is perfect (far from it), but it sure sucks a lot less than the new Google maps, and now that Google are shutting down the "?output=classic" capability (which was, in turn, better than Bing) they're not giving you much choice about what to use.
You want a rant? Here's a rant:
It's, you know, look, I don't need you guys to be fans of the Pinto, I just need to know if there's something we want to keep here, it stays here. We don't need to know that Bucker Tarnhart's in the fucking airport when we haven't spoken to Syle Kipworth. I think we owe that fucking kid the right to be called and told that he's going to be sent down as opposed to reading that Bucker Tarnhart is on his way from Louisville. I just... I don't get it. I don't get why it's got to be this way. Has it always been this way where we just tell fucking everybody everything? So every fucking opponent we have has to know exactly what we have. Which fucking relievers are available, which guys are here and which guys aren't here, when they can play, and what they can do. It's nobody's fucking business. It's certainly not the opponent's business. We have to deal with this fucking bullshit.
I like to talk â" and I have spoken as candidly as I can with you people, if that's not good enough, I won't say a fucking thing. I'll go, 'yes sir, no sir.' And I can do that. But fuck, I've been as candid as I can fucking be about this team and our engineers, and we've got to deal with this shit, every fucking team that we fucking play has to know every fucking guy that's here and what they can and can't do? Fuck me. It's a fucking disgrace. I'm fucking sick of this shit. It's fucking hard enough to fucking win here to have fucking every fucking opponent know exactly what the fuck we bring to the table every day. It's fucking horseshit. I don't like it. It's what I'm saying. To make it very clear, I don't like the way that this shit's going â" at all. I don't like it. I don't think you guys need to know everything. And I certainly don't think you need to see something and tweet it out there and make it a fucking world event. How the fuck do we benefit from them knowing we don't have Mevin Desoraco? How do we benefit from that? They benefit from it. I just want to know how we benefit from these fucking people know we don't have a engineer here. Can you answer that? How is that good for the Pinto?
(Courtesy Bryan Price).
Actually it was a reference to this discussion, but thanks for playing anyway.
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We've decided it's just not worth it, and would rather explain to users who email our support line that Google shut down the API.
That's something that's always amazed me about Google, if Microsoft did something like this (which they did in the 1990s), the masses would be at the gates with pitchforks and flaming torches screaming for blood. When Google behaves like Microsoft did 20 years ago... well, meh, it's Google, they can do that. What's changed?
Nobody in their right mind chooses a Google product as part of their critical infrastructure ..... because Google keeps closing its products down.
Or "improving" them, like Google Bet^H^H^HMaps, where the new version is so bad I've switched to Bing Maps. That's Microsoft's Bing Maps. Over Google.
Thanks for the link, the VB one contained the info I was after. Looks like a nice piece of work, and definitely a Gatekeeper bypass, just like the Linux repository signing bypasses where they didn't verify metadata.
I'd question that. No systemd based distro has been certified with EAL, FIPS, or Common Criteria yet.
What does that have to do with security? All of the certifications you've mentioned are an evaluation of how desperate a vendor is to bid on government contracts, not of the security of a system.
Allowing unsigned code into the app bundle changes the app bundle and makes the signature invalid. That's how signatures work. The idea here is that a legitimately signed and installed app can then execute code outside the app bundle which will run without additional controls in place.
It depends. If you can add metadata to the bundle without it being detected (a problem that has cropped up with Linux repositories several times) then this is a genuine vuln. If OTOH it's something like "If you install a Python interpreter then you can use that to run arbitrary code that isn't validated by Gatekeeper" then it's a "Code execution results in code execution" issue. In the great tradition of journalists everywhere, the ThreatPost article never provided any links to any original material, so all we have is the writer's interpretation of what's actually going on,
Assuming the previous reply was by the guy who gave the talk, is it online anywhere?
It does sound and awful lot like the notorious MS07-052: Code execution results in code execution
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Wait! Eating whole foods *doesn't* cure cancer?!
Of course it doesn't, everyone knows that! You cure cancer, and in particular pancreatic cancer, with a strict vegan diet, acupuncture sessions, drinking special fruit juices, hydrotherapy, and visiting spiritualists.
An application that blows dick stops working on an unsupported operating system that sucks dick?! STOP THE PRESSES!
Well that's not quite correct, while Windows XP may merely suck dick, iTunes actually swallows.
No, he took full responsability for a black op
That's "African-American op", you insensitive clod! If Bush had done it you'd probably be calling it a white op.
Hell, some manufacturers like Lenovo even included malware like Superfish on new laptops. Will Deviceguard prevent that from happening?
Nope. Quoting from TFA
The following OEMs are endorsing the use of Device Guard on their Windows 8 certified devices [...] Lenovo.
So you still get SuperPhished, only now it's DeviceGuarded.
Okay, then artists would release a bunch of shit sequels just to extend copyright. That benefits no one.
How would that differ from current practice, at least in Hollywood? No film franchise is complete until it's had at least two or three shit sequels.
I am more interested in what it produces. Is the produced code fast and correct?
It's sometimes correct. When it's not correct, your bug report that it (for example) produces code that segfaults with -O3 on x86-64 is closed as "by design" because if you stare at the manpage long enough while drunk it could be interpreted as being allowable behaviour under certain circumstances and therefore doesn't need to be fixed.
That was my reaction too. "Latest update of bug-ridden, bloated alternative to LLVM released".
(And no, I couldn't give a toss about Apple, I just want a compiler where, for each new release, I don't have to spend a long-tail of several months identifying new compiler bugs and design "features" and adding code workarounds to deal with them).
multiple families to join together to teach their [unvaccinated] children or participate in independent study programs
a.k.a. "agar dishes for childhood diseases".
Before you lambast Apple for poor engineering decisions, think carefully about the ramifications of using shared third-party libraries. DLLs have their own problems - hence the well known term "DLL Hell".
Uh, yeah, that was an issue for Windows 3.1 more than twenty years ago. There have been a few advances in dealing with this since then. Using Windows 3.1 engineering issues as an excuse for current bad engineering issues doesn't really cut it.
Having heard drunks argue, I can assure you it was not an articulate and well-reasoned discussion. The argument could have been about anything from a favorite phone operating system to a favorite sports team or a favorite color. The fact that they reached for the nearest beer bottle as a weapon is unsurprising.
Good point. I mean, arguing over who has the biggest di..phone and resolving the issue with broken bottles is kinda wimpy, nothing like the real arguments we had about serious issues like whether the Amiga was better than the Atari ST, which often came close to armed conflict. I mean, I personally beat some idiot to death with a VIC20 for suggesting that his Commie 64 was better than my IIgs. Now those were real arguments, none of this cellphone woosiness there.