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iTunes Stops Working For Windows XP Users
An anonymous reader writes: iTunes users who still run Windows XP started to experience connectivity issues this week. As documented in an Apple Support Communities thread, they can't log into the iTunes store, meaning functions like buying content, watching already purchased movies and TV shows, playing DRM-protected content, backing up, updating, and syncing all do not work.
This is precisely why you should never OWN your digital content, but rather LEASE it from trustworthy companies like Apple... Oh wait! =)
Has iTunes ever NOT been broken for Windows? It's atrocious. Count your blessings, XP users.
Maybe that will get people to finally upgrade.
Just so you know, nothing lasts forever.
... why this "licensing" crap that content owners want to push is a lot of manure, and why sites like the Pirate Bay will continue to exist. Content owners: You are a bunch of greedy morons, so stupid that you are willing to make less for the sake of attempting (and failing) to control everything. Suit yourselves, you clowns.
Yes, away from Windows, and away from Apple.
iTunes continues to work horribly for ALL other Windows operating systems...
This could be related to encryption ciphers not supporter with xp.
As in that they disabled the one xp support
From TFA: playing DRM-protected content ... [does] not work.
Did that ever happen to anyone who downloaded something from the Pirate Bay?
This is the thing with piracy it is in a wide variety of ways a better product. So they're not competing with "free" they're competing with "free AND better". Even if they make it free, people STILL go to TPB. I found it easier to get stuff off TPB than I did from 4 on demand.
So I went there even though I'd paid my TV license becuase the streaming crap was flakey.
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Long live XP!
Hail to the king!
[The Universe] has gone offline.
It seems unlikely that development support of XP is more costly than the revenue generated by XP users. And Apple has plenty of cash. But this may still be shrewd - let's see if there's a bump in Mac sales this quarter. These users represent existing Apple customers running an OS that Microsoft abandoned. They don't need to know about how fast Apple abandons hardware, but to be fair Apple does upgrades pretty nicely. They can blame MS and gain the customer, all by hosing said customer. Devious and clever.
My God, it's Full of Source!
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Don't 16% or so of all Microsoft desktop users still run Windows XP? Even in the US, I remember is was somewhere around 5%. That's an awful lot of people to disenfranchise.
More than likely this is some kind of error that Apple is working on. I can't imagine they'd just nix support for XP in stealth mode.
So Apple is supposed to continue supporting their app on an OS that the publisher of doesn't even support anymore.
Good to know.
The XP login issue has been fixed.
As the anti-piracy crap is going by, and then the mandatory previews, I say to myself "If I had only pirated this, I'd already be watching the movie."
Whenever I go to itunes store, I say to myself "this would be so much easier to pirate than to buy. Less time, and I'd already be listening."
It's not about the cost. It's about the convenience.
If it's worth doing, it's worth doing for money.
This may well have less to do with Apple being mean and cutting off XP users from their fix and more with Apple dropping support for ciphers that are anything but secure anymore, with XP simply not supporting the more current ciphers with better algorithms and more robustness (like forward secrecy). If they didn't, the rant would not go away but simply shift to "Apple's sloppy handling of security puts your content at risk".
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
To be fair, Apple supported XP longer than Microsoft did. Microsoft has already stated that if you choose to continue using XP, you do so at your own risk. That not only means potential exposure to malware, but also the distinct possibility that third party stuff may at any time stop working. I don't see this a fault of Apple in any way whatsoever.
Welcome to the cloud.
So Apple is supposed to not purposefully break their app on an OS that the publisher of doesn't even support anymore.
Good to know.
FTFY
Did iTunes ever really work on Windows?
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
Windows?
iTunes works horribly on all operating systems its available for, especially and including OS X.
Doesn't that imply that iTunes ever worked for Windows XP users? That wasn't my experience.
So if one sucked and the other blew, did it equalize pressure and result in the only known stable configuration of Windows and / or iTunes?
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
Hey, XP users. Windows XP was first released in 2001. It was completely retired 12 months by Microsoft, a 13-year support cycle you will never see from Apple. Take XP out back and put it out of its misery.
They are doing this solely to help sell Windows 8.1.
XP is supported until 2019 by changing identity to POSReady, which requires a single registry key change. I get monthly security updates as I always have.
Lots of people pointing out the failure that piracy doesn't have.
That takeaway is a bit inaccurate though. What they've identified is the advantage of not having to ASK FOR FUCKING PERMISSION TO USE YOUR PROPERTY.
Every time. Forever. Anywhere in the universe.
Oops network connection not found. You can't read it, watch it, listen to it, touch it, load it, play it, because you don't actually have it. You never did.
The software works fine as far as I know. It's interacting with Apple's online services that doesn't work anymore.
Funnily enough, the iPod which did not work as a removable HD is the thing that made me switch away from apple, some 12 years ago.
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The software probably works just fine. It's interacting with Apple's online services that doesn't work anymore.
Yes, because I am very anxious to buy more shit from the company that just locked me out of content I purchased from them prior with a forced upgrade.
Oh wait...
Providing legacy support is in the best interests of Apple and content providers because there are still a large number of users out there with older systems who will buy content if they can easily access it. Making it hard or impossible is a hurdle that kills the sale and encourages piracy. Legacy support makes cents.
Darn. I guess I'll never experience the bullshit of iTunes. Fuck Apple.
I've had iTunes since my Rio MP3 and I've never paid anything to an online music store, ever.
I buy my CDs and DVDs from the artist or band in person, then they get half of the money instead of 0.02 cents.
You old guys on slashdot have heard of podcasts, right?
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Sure, and why is that, exactly? Did some invisible sky wizard change the gravitational constant of the universe on any PC running XP or something? No. Apple updated their services to exclude those clients, probably to fix an SSL exploit by turning off older SSL protocols for all clients. If Apple really wanted to, they could have left that version of SSL running only for XP clients and updated iTunes to not use that protocol on any non-XP OS, but they didn't. Poor customer service if you ask me.
That's a distinction without a difference.
When people buy stuff from you that requires "phoning home", no one should let you off the hook for dropping "legacy support". People whine about things like "support" but this isn't a computing frame of reference here. This is consumer media.
The idea that your copy of the White Album suddenly stops working should not be tolerated.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Herd immunity requires XP isolation.
How fast Apple abandons which hardware, exactly? We're talking computers here, not phones. My 6 year old MBP still runs Mavericks fine, and I just sold it for $500, because it's still a damn nice computer for the majority of users (8GB of RAM, 240GB SSD, and a 15" screen).
DO NOT USE CLOUD SERVICES.
Take control, take ownership, OWN your stuff.
I have sympathy, but it begins to wane as time and experience show corporate behavior patterns indicate a psychopathic mental profile. There is no trusting them, there is no reasoning with them, there are few if any realistic legal resources against such large entities.
Most cloud services are just a web server with a fancy interface to the data.
Perhaps instead of ranting I can be of service.
Set aside (or virtualize) a machine. Install a turnkey copy of nodeJs with webmin at http://mirror.turnkeylinux.org/turnkeylinux/images/iso/ (if virtual use http://mirror.turnkeylinux.org/turnkeylinux/images/vmdk/).
Step 2, from command line, install npm (node package manager) //web server operational //clientserver data operational //database operational (as you can see this is simpler and superior to mysql server) //I'm leaving out loading the directory maps, but it's not hard, just takes too much space
step 3, install nedb (this is an object oriented database, no time to explain, but it allows data nested inside of data which is vital to viewing and logic flow).
step 4, install socketIO (this allows serverclient data communication, it's the replacement for get/post[except webhooks])
step 5, install 'express' via npm (node package manager) [npm install express]
step 6, setup your index.js file
---
var express= require('express');
var app = express();
var http = require('http').Server(app).listen(80);
var io=require('socket.io')(http);
var DataBase = require('nedb');
var musicIfuckingCONTROL_IO=io.of('/music');
musicIfuckingCONTROL_IO.on('connection',function(socket){
var musicDatabase=new DataBase({filename:'/var/www/music.db',autoload:true});
musicDatabase.find({},function(err,musicList){
musicIfuckingCONTROL_IO.emit('music list',musicList);
});
});
---
After this you just make a website that launches the socket which immediately gets the music list and from there you can figure out.
Many of our problems occur because we believe someone else will fix it and we do not take control and act as our own actor, someone else is smarter than us, or the problems are beyond our abilities. These are all lies, the only person who will ever care about our problem, help us, or do ANYTHING on our behalf is us.
And sometimes, even on a more modern OS, Apple's stuff can fail for no obvious reason.
I recently swapped out my Vista box for Windows 8 (yeah, yeah, whatever) .. on both platforms I had the problem of getting an HTTP Error when trying to lookup tracks to rip the CD. No fix can be found for this which I can identify as working.
I gave up and busted out the evil Windows Media Player to rip a bunch of CDs I'd bought .. and then magically iTunes started being able to look up track names. How this could work, I have no idea.
Honestly, I'm not 100% sure Apple knows how their software works or why it fails.
I miss my old iPod classic, which didn't have an OS to update ... because it would never get upgraded to the point of broken with the assumption I'll just go out and spend a few hundred bucks on a new device.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
People still on Windows XP would be terrible Apple customers. Mostly:
1) They are cheap.
2) They have basic needs
3) Quality of hardware and software doesn't matter much to them. They likely don't care about thin and light.
4) They don't like change.
5) As much as they care they like the Windows pre-Aero interface.
XP was only supported that long because nobody wanted to upgrade into Vista.
Apple OS upgrade rates are much better (for iOS and OSX).
That's why you don't see the decades-long support cycles with Apple. Cupertino doesn't view it as necessary.
And yes, let's "Old Yeller" XP and be done with it.
This is exactly it. XP doesnt support the DRM they want.
Good-bye
Apple stopped selling music with DRM over six years ago. But it would seem that the problem is connecting to the Apple Store and purchasing (which hurts mostly Apple) and playing music and videos with DRM _on that computer_. Everything should continue to work phone on iPod, iPhone and iPad.
Anyone here who has actually listened to or viewed DRM protected content from Apple on Windows XP in the last year?
Mavericks is not the latest OSX, and the creep in system requirements for OSX is fucking ridiculous. Yosemite is completely unusable with 4GB of RAM, though that doesn't stop them from selling machines with 4GB of non upgradeable, soldered to the fucking motherboard RAM and Yosemite preinstalled. I seriously do not understand how they get away with this shit, people still go apeshit that Windows 7/8 don't run all that well with 2GB of RAM.
I don't understand all the fanatics on Slashdot. Apple's only doing whats best for me. I'm not equipped to manage my own stuff. And do we really want piracy? We should all be supporting artists by buying from itunes. Stealing is wrong. The tubes should have gates on them to prevent this stuff from getting through.
The "New MacBook" is just the thing for people with basic needs. Before you argue, sit and consider who else it might be a good fit for. When you can't come up with another answer, ask yourself which you'd rather admit: that I'm right or that Apple released a product line with no target market.
And re #5, OSX is as close as they're going to get to that if they have to move away from XP.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
Well, Apple knows how many XP users use iTunes. They know how much those XP users spend and can easily determine if they're just a tiny fraction of those using Vista or later, or significant enough to continue supporting them. Apple has all that data.
And I've seen it too as my main machine is XP. I'd love to upgrade it if I had the cash (I do have a Win 7 machine used for other purposes so I'm not SOL). Thing is, iTunes still does work, it's just crapping out randomly a bit more than usual - Monday was plagued with the inability to log in (but closing and restarting iTunes several times fixed it), and app updates seem to be an on and off thing (mostly off).
And how fast Apple abandons hardware? Maybe for iOS where you get 50% more support time than the main competition (at least in cases where you get supported updates). Macs that can run Yosemite date back to 2010 or so.
Apple though, does abandon older software a lot faster - they only do support the last two versions of OS X and iOS in general.
Here's the thing - iTunes runs on a virtual version of OS X - one of the reasons it's so big is that it brings with it a bunch of OS X libraries adapted for Windows. Things like ciphers and SSL and all that, Apple already has ported versions of the OS X libraries for that they update - it doesn't use the OS libraries for it.
And in fact, there's nothing wrong with iTunes itself - my version of iTunes worked perfectly until the past week or so - and no, I didn't install any new version of iTunes. So Apple changed something that broke iTunes on its end because iTunes worked before and it wasn't changed
If they are too cheap to upgrade from XP they won't be shelling out for a new Mac. Vista came out in 2007, so their computers must be at least 7-8 years old, and probably older.
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Eh? XP doesn't support *any* of the HTTPS ciphers that haven'te been utterly and completely proven worthless. This has nothing to do with DRM; the software works just fine locally (including playback of DRM'd media), the only thing it can't do now is connect back to Apple's servers via HTTPS.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
Funny. It was probably fixed before this was even posted on Slashdot.
the rant would not go away but simply shift to "Apple's sloppy handling of security puts your content at risk".
You mean people would be furious Apple is not making sure nobody else can listen to the songs they have bought? Whenever someone is ranting about a particularly "bad DRM" they sure as hell don't mean it is not secure enough.
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Apple updated their services to exclude those clients, probably to fix an SSL exploit by turning off older SSL protocols for all clients. If Apple really wanted to, they could have left that version of SSL running only for XP clients and updated iTunes to not use that protocol on any non-XP OS, but they didn't. Poor customer service if you ask me.
The services fail intermittently, which means they still work intermittently. That strongly implies that this wasn't an intentional change by Apple, but instead is a bug introduced with some other change. Said bug was likely not caught, in my opinion, due to limited access to test equipment running XP. Apple, like my employer, likely has IT policies that exclude XP machines from the common intranet, and it's a hassle to set up, maintain, and access the separate XP test lab. A bug that only occurs when an XP machine tries to access an online service is exactly the kind that would be missed by such a test farm setup.
It doesn't hurt to be nice.
You locked yourself out when you were too stupid, incompetent, or lazy to stop using an OS that was EOL'ed last year. Newsflash: Not only is it true that companies aren't going to support your incompetence in perpetuity, it is further true that they have been somewhat irresponsible for allowing XP users access to their systems for this long. Perhaps nobody told you that your OS was already a petri dish for viruses prior to all security updates ceasing a year ago.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Should be "Itunes stops crashing for XP users"
I haven't ever bought media from the iTunes store (because they still (?!!?!?!) don't have it working with web browsers yet, so you have to use weird special software, the iTunes application, to make a purchase) so forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought they didn't use DRM anymore. That's not true? I totally thought there was an enormous story several years ago, that the DRM had gone away, so while it might be technically difficult for a user to make a purchase, once they get the file they can easily play it. No?
I thought they didn't use DRM, and that therefore if they ever manage to get their store onto the web, they would eventually become a formidable presence (and a potentially useful service, from a user perspective) but they they just weren't there yet. If I'm all wrong about the DRM being gone, then it sounds like Apple isn't even threatening to seriously enter the media market. (With the exception of people who use mobile computers for media playback, where Apple is still fairly popular. But I'm talking about the wider picture.)
Is this DRM issue just for extremely old sales, maybe? Like, where someone bought something from iTMS back in 2004 or something like that?
No reason other than, clearly it requires a code change to support it, and hence requires investment and money to do so. "We would need to write code to support this" is a completely valid reason to choose not to support something old and crufty.
so I just moved iTunes to the windows laptop and will have to re-rip the material not bought on the iStore. my iPod mini's third battery is about gone, so I'm picking up a Shuffle on the way home from work.
you know, it's funny, shit dies. my Atwater Kent 20C works, but the newer stuff dies.
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
So what you're saying is that Apple should leave people using old clients silently having an insecure connection to the server? That sounds... dubious at best ;)
A lot of people bought XP machines after Vista came out because of all the driver issues. Until 7 came along XP was the best Windows version.
It does still show an unwillingness to upgrade, since Win 7 came out in 2009, and is far superior to XP.
I still have an XP machine at work, but I only use it for software than won't run on my Win 7 PC, and no longer use it to connect to the Internet due to security concerns. At this point no XP machine should be connected to the Internet, so lack of iTunes support is irrelevant.
Using iTunes *and* XP? Wow. Are these people wearing hair shirts too?
The New MacBook is a very expensive laptop for the performance that makes tremendous sacrifices to achieve an almost unparalleled degree of thin and light. That is a luxury good. I'd say this very much like the MacBook Air in 2008, an extremely expensive laptop designed for people with light needs who are willing to spend a lot for thin and light. Given Apple's history I'd assume overtime that the performance of the MacBook becomes comparable to the Air (i.e. they can mostly compensate for the lost pound) and the Air gets dropped.
I know lots of people who paid $4k for the Air when it came out, I can easily see them buying this thing over 1lb less of weight. People still on XP are not buying a $1300-2k laptop, when there are laptops available for $300 with better performance / storage / features.
They don't DRM music anymore but it's still present on things like Movies and TV shows. Apple, like everyone else (Amazon, Google, etc) are at the mercy of the studios that create the content who demand DRM on their content.
I browse on +1 so AC's need not respond, I won't see it.
Not entirely true.
I don't use iTunes. I use surplus Windows XP machines to host security cameras around the house.
I still get updates for my Windows XP machines. I applied a registry hack that makes them appear to be embedded machines, like an ATM or stuff.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
I, along with many others I know, only "upgraded" from Snow Leopard (10.6) because Apple dropped support for it. 3 days after I paid to upgrade to Mountain Lion in order to continue receiving support, Apple announced that future versions of OS X (including the then soon-to-be-released Mavericks) would be free. <sarc>That didn't leave a bad taste in my mouth or anything.</sarc>
No version of OS X since Snow Leopard has been as stable or performant. Because of this, I know a number of people who actually still use it despite the lack of security updates. Of them, only a couple use it in an offline-only capacity. I'm sure that's lightyears better than the decade-long support you say isn't necessary, though. Right?
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
Music has no DRM, but the studios still insist on it for movies and TV stuff.
This.
You can't have an app that uses secure SSL/TLS protocols on XP SP2 or older. It likely won't be long until the same applies to SP3 (i.e. if they disable TLS1.0 - a good idea).
I suppose they could write their own TLS stack into the iTunes product for XP, but that just seems overkill. If an app relies on the system-wide security libraries then you are out of luck supporting this (officially unsupported) OS.
I have no clue if this is the problem at hand but it's a good candidate.
Macs that can run Yosemite date back to 2010 or so.
I think you meant 2007. I had an '07 iMac that ran Yosemite OK.
If you're going to mandate that everybody upgrade, then cough up the cash. I have no reason to trash a perfectly functional machine.
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People still on XP are not buying a $1300-2k laptop, when there are laptops available for $300 with better performance / storage / features.
Unless they care about point #5.
But you still seem to have missed my point. There really is no market for the new MacBook. You're absolutely right that there are better machines available for 1/4 the price. Even people who buy luxury for the sake of luxury aren't complete morons and they'll seldom pay more than 2x the price of the "common person's" equivalent version of something, so this isn't even targeted at that crowd. It's the absolute most basic of basic needs machines, coming to you at a mobile workstation price; I'm too lazy to search out sales figures for it, but I'd be surprised if they've covered R&D at this point.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
Eh? XP doesn't support *any* of the HTTPS ciphers that haven'te been utterly and completely proven worthless.
I'm dumbfounded that itunes uses the native windows encryption functionality instead of using their own.
Firefox on XP uses Mozilla's encryption code, not windows.
If you leave insecure connections open for XP clients, you are leaving insecure connections open for anyone as it's likely trivial for the client to say "Yeah, i'm using XP honest, gimme the insecure shit so I can hack away"
Even if you do find a way to leave the insecure protocols in place, it won't do much help as when TLS certificates expire from now onwards, you need to replace them with SHA-2 certificates (The main certificate vendors will no longer create SHA-1 certs for you going forwards). Good luck using an SHA-2 certificate with the XP SP2 SSL libraries :)
Hopefully all the XPs out there are on SP3 and this won't be an issue, but who knows. We are finding plenty of clients still using SP2 and we are just having to cut them off.
This stuff needs to be turned off, sucks to be an XP user. (I loved XP too, but all good things must come to an end).
You think it was intentional? Maybe so (I don't know), but that seems rather unlikely. Even if for some strange reason they wanted to discontinue support for XP, they wouldn't just switch it off.
i can't imagine all these XP windows surviving without such a great apple piece of software.
Oh, no. I assure you. It is entirely true. You are applying updates that weren't designed for the OS you are running, and you use a kludge to do it. That in no way suggests that Microsoft didn't EOL XP last year. I assure you. They did. If you don't believe me, maybe you'll believe them?
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
And that has precisely what to do with the point I was countering? It's a basic needs machine. Yes, it's a luxury item, so we'll call it a luxury basic needs machine, but it's still a basic needs machine, plain and simple. You didn't even attempt to argue, you only agreed with me without realizing it.
People still on XP are not buying a $1300-2k laptop, when there are laptops available for $300 with better performance / storage / features.
Unless they care about point #5.
But you still seem to have missed my point. There really is no market for the new MacBook. You're absolutely right that there are better machines available for 1/4 the price. Even people who buy luxury for the sake of luxury aren't complete morons and they'll seldom pay more than 2x the price of the "common person's" equivalent version of something, so this isn't even targeted at that crowd. It's the absolute most basic of basic needs machines, coming to you at a mobile workstation price; I'm too lazy to search out sales figures for it, but I'd be surprised if they've covered R&D at this point.
It isn't a basic needs laptop. It is a specialized needs laptop: a customer who needs the absolute minimum amount of weight and thin. As for OSX being closer to Windows XP than Windows 8, I'd say that's not true.
There is nothing like this. There is nothing at 2lbs that offers anywhere near this level of performance. That's the point. The custom is someone for whom 2 vs. 3 lbs is worth a lot of money. That's the feature they want.
As for sales figures. Apple is currently 6 weeks backordered on the new MacBook. They've sold every laptop they can make for the very least all through this quarter. But the sales figures aren't going to be what's critical. This laptop represents the future of their lower end product. They are going to get all their consumer laptops down to 2lbs over the next few years. The whole thing is R&D for the change to the product line.
Yes. You are right. You just don't understand what you said. Apple made security improvements. XP no longer makes security improvements. Ergo, it is reasonable to believe they improved security in a way that means XP can't access the system with the new security, since XP only has the old garbage. Understand now? It really isn't that complicated. Seriously.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
A petri dish for viruses? I haven't heard of a computer virus in what, ten, fifteen years? Or is that the version of "virus" that just means "malicious software"?
Funnily enough, the iPod which did not work as a removable HD is the thing that made me switch away from apple, some 12 years ago.
Just throwing this out there but you might want to actually check your facts before saying something publicly that can be shown to be completely false by spending 10 seconds on Google's search engine.
You've been able to use iPods as removable hard drives as far back as I can remember. I've done it myself.
So do you use iTunes?
Can you test if yours is fully functioning?
That might be helpful for many people.
As for sales figures. Apple is currently 6 weeks backordered on the new MacBook. They've sold every laptop they can make for the very least all through this quarter.
You know, there are no numbers in your statement. Maybe it's more they're limiting how many they make in order to make it seem like they're selling more. It's not like they've ever done that before, or anything, right?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not poking and prodding at Apple out of hatred, I'm doing so because, as an Apple user, I want them to succeed, but I also want them to keep going in a direction that is useful to me. As I see them shifting in a direction that is anything but, I prod them back in the direction that benefits not only myself, but also the largest number of users.
Of course, they're free to (and will) do whatever they want, but that doesn't mean they'll succeed if they do. They've got so much capital on hand that it will take decades of failure and moving in the wrong direction before they actually go out of business; I suppose that's a good thing, as it gives them plenty of time to try a few different CEOs and maybe save themselves. What you're seeing now is the last of Steve's momentum, things really are slowing down for Apple and I have a distinct feeling we're about to see them start losing their market in the next 2 or 3 years.
When that happens, I don't think they're necessarily done for. I'll take that opportunity to buy their stock cheap, though, knowing they'll either find another CEO like Steve Jobs or get bought by another company that will add value to their stock.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
I saw that.
It's bullshit. I've been dealing with Microsoft since they were born and they are the worst source of information regarding practices that hit their bottom line.
Windows XP enjoys second place in market share for operating systems.
Microsoft is motivated to:
1.) Supply embedded machines with updates
2.) Convince those people to buy new stuff.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
New MacBook??
Is... is that what you're talking about? $1300 for at best a 1.3 GHZ dual-core Intel M (I don't care about "turbo" freq)? Dell has a comparable one for $200 and that gets you a 2.5 GHz dual-core Celeron at worst. The Dell is what fills options 1,2, and 3 above. The Mac breaks 1 & 3. 4 & 5 can most likely be fixed for another $100-400 to pay someone to either rip out 8.1 or skin it to look like XP. You're right in that Apple is Targeting the basic need user. But they're not targeting the basic need user with a limited budget ( the kind of Customer jbolden is talking about above), they're targeting people with more money than sense and a distinct need for "New Shiny"...as they've always done.
And to your last point... Do you really honestly believe that OSX is even CLOSE to XP's interface? The Closest Windows UI that anyone says OSX replicates best is Windows 7, and even then...there's no Start Menu. I've worked with computer illiterate people that had to migrate from XP for one reason or another. The Start Menu has always been critical to the flow they've been comfortable with for 20 years and you wouldn't believe how much teeth pulling was involved to get them to understand the concept of the Aero Taskbar. I mean seriously, have you ever worked with a Windows 9x+ box? Ever? The only MS created interface that even remotely looked or behaved like Mac OS and later OSX was Progman of 3.x fame.
You seem to have missed the point of my post. Don't worry, I understand that sarcasm doesn't come through very well in text.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
I think I have about six songs in itunes that are in "protected AAC" format, as I stopped buying stuff in that format early on, as soon as I realized the limitations. I still have a (gen3) ipod in the truck but the sound system in the other car and in the motorcycle understand thumb drives, and once you have that why the heck would you use an ipod? Most phones these days will play music and have removable storage -- why would you carry an extra device?
Once you realize that only Apple products will play "protected AAC" files, why the heck would you buy content in that format?
I guess the point I'm making is that if you lost access to content you paid for because itunes no longer supports your OS, this might be a good time to at least re-evaluate how you purchase content. If you must use itunes, it'll rip CDs just fine, and used CDs are available, often for a pittance, at Amazon and other places.
I can't believe in 2015 we're still saying "just say no to DRM content". That question should have been settled a long time ago.
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
I've had iTunes since my Rio MP3 and I've never paid anything to an online music store, ever.
Do you think anyone really cares if you've never bought anything from an online music store? Do you think that makes you superior in some way? The term hipster is stupid and usually used poorly but I think it might apply here.
I buy my CDs and DVDs from the artist or band in person, then they get half of the money instead of 0.02 cents.
Those of us with actual jobs and real life obligations have better things to do than track down random artists in person so we can throw an extra $5 at them in person.
You old guys on slashdot have heard of podcasts, right?
And my hipster theory is confirmed. Do you have a point to make or are you just trying to be smug?
I've never had trouble getting itunes to work on windows. Lots of cry babies in here..
That's bullshit. I can keep a working system imaged. So, it's basically screw you. My system works. It's clean. I don't need any damn upgrade. I don't use iTunes.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
>If you leave insecure connections open for XP clients, you are leaving insecure connections open for anyone as it's likely trivial for the client to say "Yeah, i'm using XP honest, gimme the insecure shit so I can hack away"
If you already own the client box, why are you bothering to listen in to their iTunes connection? Surely you can do something far more productive like mine for bitcoin or scan the hard drive for credit cards or encrypt pictures of their mistress and hold the decryption key for ransom or similar?
And a certificate expiring doesn't make the protocol stop working, but sure there would need to be a bit of extra code for XP in iTunes to allow the expired cert. Still doable.
Again, in this case it's largely a customer service question. And it seems Apple decided that it was easier just to cut off all their paying XP users than spend a modest amount of resources to accommodate them.
I very well could be a victim of Poe's Law and didn't realize it. Re-reading your post with the knowledge that you were being sarcastic...yeah. It's subtle. Very subtle if you're not paying attention (like I wasn't). Good play.
I see that a lot. Then again, I'm one sarcastic MFer, so...
In all honesty, the direction Apple is moving in today saddens me. I was just becoming an Apple user in as Steve Jobs was dying and I began to see the signs of change shortly thereafter. I'm seeing it happening even more quickly now.
Some will say it's a good thing that Apple is branching out in other directions. I would agree with those people, except that Apple is not branching out, they're abandoning the direction that saved them from utter ruin over a decade ago ago, a direction that is proven and profitable, in favor of a new direction. I'm all for branching out, especially when talking about a company with plenty of capital to reach in multiple directions at once, and if that's what Apple was doing I'd be more than happy to see it. They're playing a dangerous game right now, though, and they have enough capital on hand that I fear they might not notice impending failure until they've been running full-speed ahead in the wrong direction for a decade or longer.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
Proofreading... apparently I don't do it. Please excuse the added "in" in the 2nd paragraph and the extra "ago" in the 3rd.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
You just priced yourself out of your argument. The people still holding onto XP machines are not buying, as you amended it to say, luxury basic needs machines. They're buying the $300 Windows machine, which really is a basic needs machine because it has what your luxury basic needs machine lacks: a low price point. If you think they really need a New MacBook, lobby for a subsidy or start splashing your own cash to help these poor deluded people.
That they must be absolute (you own all Apple products) or not.
So you say. By your logic there is nothing wrong with me using Windows 2000 or OS 9 either.
I'm starting to think GNU is the problem with "GNU/Linux" these days.
There really is no market for the new MacBook. You're absolutely right that there are better machines available for 1/4 the price.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
No mostly (or ever) they haven't done that before. That would be stupidly expensive for almost no benefit. The numbers will be out in July. Apple is going to want April-June sales to be high not low when they release numbers.
As for hatred, I don't think your comments sounded like you are hating Apple. I just don't think you understand the product line and how Apple is evolving it. Like I said above look at how the Air evolved 2008-2011 that's the pattern they likely follow. The need to get the weight down to make the advantages of OSX for battery life clear, they need to get retina and they need to not lose the $800 price point on the low end. They can't do all those things at once so they have forking lines.
I don't see that. What I've seen from Apple for the last 6 years or so has been a shift towards massive innovations in manufacturing and logistics and a move away from a focus on "insanely great" software. Manufacturing and logistics is Tim Cook's baby. The 2015 MacBook may not be your or my cup of tea, but I can unquestionably say its the most complex laptop to manufacture on the market today bar none. I can't really think of much that's even close to that level of complexity. The Microsoft Surface 1, and the Chrome Books are about the only product I can think of that's pushing the envelope in manufacturing even close to the degree Apple is.
As far as being useful. In a world in which PC sales have been slipping for 6 years they have grown their sales. The results on marketshare are pretty good. http://cdn.macrumors.com/artic... That graph is the unit numbers. The ASP gap has been growing till it is approaching almost 3x what it is for PCs, and of course in terms of margin Apple has consistently pulled 85-92% of the margin from PCs sales for many years running.
They aren't failing to be useful they are exceptionally useful to end users. That doesn't mean they fit everyone.
Have to wonder if this has something to do with the interposing https phased rollout by Comcast for their CloudFlare based CDN that they use for web acceleration to reduce their peering overhead. It was preventing me from getting to e.g. LinkedIn and Amazon.com for a couple of days, until they had the kinks worked out. I'm told that I was in one of the "early rollout areas".
Obviously, no one complaining about this gives ISP or other useful diagnostic information in their postings, so it's impossible to give them a good technical answer for their problems, since the problem statements are all lacking in technical information.
This may help; I'd suggest a rename, rather than a delete on the cache stuff, though - in case that's not it:
https://support.apple.com/en-u...
I *do* get updates to the "malicious software removal tool" on my stock, unbuggered XP SP3 installation. Other security updates, no, but I do get this minimal update from time to time.
I don't see that. What I've seen from Apple for the last 6 years or so has been a shift towards massive innovations in manufacturing and logistics and a move away from a focus on "insanely great" software.
As someone who cares more about how a machine works than how it looks, this is what I have a problem with. I spend hours a day using the software, seconds a day looking at the fit and finish of the machine, and minutes, at most, over the lifetime of the machine looking at the packaging and giving a shit about the logistics of how it got to me. Jobs was focused on the whole experience; today's Apple is focused on "ooh look, shiiiiiiiiny". How can you say were not seeing the loss of Jobs' momentum?
We'll have to wait and see what happens over the next few years; no amount of argument between us will matter.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
The new Macbook is a netbook without the VGA, RJ45 and USB plugs. Can you even plug headpgones or speakers in? If they want to use both a mouse and a printer, they even need to plug a dongle into the dongle. If the mouse is a wireless 2.4GHz one, that will be a dongle in the dongle in the dongle.
I think you missed my meaning about the cert. When they renew the cert for the online service, it will have to be an SHA-2 cert.
The Win XP SP2 network stack does not support SHA-2 certs, you cannot connect.
I've seen dongle in a dongle before. Looked painful. And yes, there's a headphone port. That and the USB-C, that's what you get. Did you read the last sentence of my first paragraph, or did you decide you needed to tear that new MacBook apart after my first 12 words? You missed a lot by not reading my whole post, my friend.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
These are users who didn't shell out for Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8, or Windows 8.1. Do you really think they're going to pay the oh-shiny-apple-tax?
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
So you say. By your logic there is nothing wrong with me using Windows 2000 or OS 9 either.
Maybe you;d have an argument if t weren't for the fact that even supported OSes get b0rked on a regular basis.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Apple under Jobs was often a software company where they sold their software in a hardware / software bundle. Apple under Cook is more of a hardware company where software doesn't play as much of a role.
First off Jobs made a lot of sacrifices. There were many things far worse about Apple products during Job's tenure. Cook fixed a lot of the unbalanced aspects that Apple machines weren't particularly good in many ways.
I see Apple's momentum as coming from Cook. iPhone beat Android by being 2nd or 3rd in almost every hardware category: battery life, screen quality, weight, thinness... Software wise the OS and widgets are probably behind Android. I'd say that OSX is behind Windows in most areas. The most important reason people buy Apple is the culture of customer base their demand for high quality experiences leads to better applications. Apple is able to maintain their hold on those customers through the excellent hardware. Apple is able to get almost all the people willing to pay more.
You don't see ads like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
because Apple isn't selling better 1st party applications anymore (though they have become incredibly dominant especially on iPad for 3rd party applications).
iTunes also stopped working on my abacus. I blame Apple.
So basically, they're pulling a Steve Balmer?
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
I have systems running XP. They have some relatively expensive applications on them which are locked to those systems; if I change the hardware (or in all likelihood the OS) they'll probably stop working on the assumption I have violated their licenses and moved them to a new machine (gotta love DRM). These machines are on an isolated network (i.e. they're on a net that is NOT attached to the internet) and they are working PERFECTLY well - just as well as when they were first setup years ago.
WHY should my business have to spend a small pile of cash for each machine to buy a newer Windows for each that will provide nothing more than what XP does (Just because Win7 or 8 or whatever HAS a new feature, that does not mean I need that feature) and as a bonus risk creating a whole raft of licensing issues and destroyed productivity as workstations potentially become unusabe thanks the the "upgrade" that I do not need?????
I get it: Microsoft needs to pump-out a new OS every few years to trick lots of users into thinking they NEED to buy it, thereby boosting profits and making shareholders happy - but that does not mean that MY, or any other user's, needs are aligned with THEIRS. Most PC users simply do not need any of the new "features" that have been added to Windows since XP.
As long as XP works fine, it's certainly NOT dead.
I blame Obama for all of this... If he had not been catering to the communists companies like microsoft and apple would still be "Mom's Garage" operations and the real professionals like Xerox and IBM would still be in command and jobs would still be plentiful in America.. FOR AMERICANS!
You do? What, you have late night heart-to-hearts with Tim, him spilling his hopes and fears, you providing a shoulder to cry on and gentle guidance from your decades of experience in product development and operations?
I forget what 8 was for.
And after July 14th?
I find it odd that there isn't a well known man in the middle SSL-> TLS 1.2 proxy for XP that can fake things enough to work for most programs.
The entire XP TCP/IP stack can be replaced and there are replacement WINSOCK versions for XP.
With the large number of programs that talk to specific hardware that simply won't run on anythign newer than XP, combined with how many machines are still functional for their users, it will be around for a very long time. Remember that Microsoft has only dropped free support for the consumer version of XP and paid support (and some free support) will be going on for another 4 years.
The Win XP SP2 network stack does not support SHA-2 certs, you cannot connect.
We have stopped supporting our code-signed applications on Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 (all SP levels) as, though the latest SP levels support SHA2 certificates for SSL/TLS connections, they don't work with SHA2 certificates for code signing at all. You can't get SHA1 code signing certificates from any (reptuable) CAs any more.
It doesn't work on 64-bit Windows XP for starters. And then specific security updates will never make it to WEPOS either, such as support for SHA2 certificates for code signing (as opposed to SHA2 certificates for SSL/TLS connectivity).
Sorry, I don't have the new naming scheme internalized. It runs 10.10 just fine, which is Yosemite, and not Mavericks.
You already admitted that you had to hack the registry douchebag.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Maybe you wouldn't be an idiot if you could figure out that if "supported OSes get b0rked on a regular basis" then you'd have to be a real moron to venture into the wild with one that hadn't been receiving regular security fixes for a year.
Of course, you are full of shit, because the only OS that gets borked on a regular basis is Windollars.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
For movies I routinely purchase moves from Vudu, CinemaNow and Cineplex and since they are all UltraViolet compatible I can dl or stream any movies purchased from any of those stores through whichever app I happen to like best
Apple's iTunes Store sold 1 million videos by October 2005, and the UltraViolet system didn't come out until six years later. Apart from iTunes, what lawful download store for Hollywood movies were people using during this period?
10 out of 10 virus writer's agree! You are too stupid to figure out that while it is working for you, it is probably working as well or better for the botmaster(s) who own your computer.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Platform support alone makes both of those better options than iTunes.
Which still means you need to re-buy every movie in your iTunes collection, especially those you bought in iTunes before Google Play and Amazon movie stores even existed.
An application that blows dick stops working on an unsupported operating system that sucks dick?! STOP THE PRESSES!
Well that's not quite correct, while Windows XP may merely suck dick, iTunes actually swallows.
Which "better players" lawfully support iTunes purchases? Or from which store should one have lawfully purchased movies instead?
I buy all of my music through my web browser
My goalpost was movies since my first comment to this story.
Or it could be related to "Digital Rights Management", which is code for "we don't trust you enough to let you have your own copy, and instead you must rely on us and hope we never go out of business, make a mistake, or decide your purchase is obsolete".
Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
Ripping DVDs has always been an option
Only for those rich enough to emigrate from the United States and other countries with legislation analogous to the DMCA. See Universal v. Reimerdes.
Everything seems OK to me. :/
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
I didn't admit to applying a registry hack. I posted that I applied a registry hack, along with a complementary link.
I have four (4) XP boxes that are doing security camera duty and all of them continue to receive updates from Microsoft. They are in the class WEPOS (Windows Embedded for Point of Service).
As to your rude characterization, we regret to inform you that the "douchebag" and "you must be gay" and "your momma wears combat boots" buttons are all nonfunctional since, oh, about the 3rd grade.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
The Malicious software removal tool is an application. It is not part of the XP OS. They can provide updates ad infinitum for the MSRT application (which runs on XP as well as other versions) and it won't change the fact that the XP OS is EOL'ed.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Windows Embedded for Point of Service has nothing to do with XP, which is a desktop OS, and you have no need to wait for malicious software to bork your system, as you are quite adept at fscking it up yourself (clearly.) For the record I don't give a shit if you put from the rough; there are hetero-douchebags and homo-douchebags. Clearly you could go either way.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Even earlier: Yosemite runs on iMacs and MacBook Pros from as far back as 2007.
Maybe you wouldn't be an idiot if you could figure out that if "supported OSes get b0rked on a regular basis" then you'd have to be a real moron to venture into the wild with one that hadn't been receiving regular security fixes for a year.
Of course, you are full of shit, because the only OS that gets borked on a regular basis is Windollars.
Another idiot post from another idiot fanboi - iOS bug allows remote reboot of all devices in area and methds for bypassing all osx security protections on the front page in just the last 7 hours ... and no stories of windows hacks in the last 24 hours.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
I doubt that very much. I regularly reinstall the image. And besides fuck you if you are demanding that I buy an upgraded system. What I have works.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
That's right. Win 2000 and OS9 are perfectly operational systems, except for the upgrade treadmill that assures planned obsolescence. That what this is all about, and it's BS
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
OK, school is in session.
1.) My Windows XP machines think they are embedded because I applied a registry hack.
2.) That's why they routinely get Microsoft updates.
3.) We can use the word, "fuck," here.
Ring ...
You are dismissed.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
I experienced none of these issues in any version of OS X released while Jobs was active within the company. Lion was released while he was still alive, but his condition had become such that he was no more than a figurehead at that point.
You're absolutely right, though, that Apple's current momentum is coming from Cook. As I said, we're seeing the loss of the last of Jobs' momentum right now. My Jobs-era 17" MBP is absolutely brilliant, despite the GPU defect I had to repair (yes, I work on these machines at that level, so I literally know them inside and out) which is the result of AMD supplying a faulty part. It was even better running Snow Leopard, because if was fast and stable. It has since been replaced as my primary machine, by a 15" MBP Retina, but it's still very much in active use and, upgraded to 16GB or RAM and an SSD, still quite a performant machine. I wish Apple still offered a 17" line, screen real-estate is king for developers and graphic artists. That machine still has better battery life than most mid to mid-high end PC laptops today.
Care to give any examples of what was un-balanced about Apple's machines under Jobs?
As for the iPhone beating Android... 2nd or 3rd in every category isn't beating Android. The players are iPhone, Android, Windows Phone, and Blackberry. Blackberry isn't winning in any of those categories, so placing 3rd means placing behind Android and Windows. Windows isn't pacing ahead of Android anywhere, so placing 2nd means placing behind Android. As for screen quality, Apple hasn't lead that metric for the past 3 years. Yeah, they're winning in thinness (bendability) and weight, for those who like having to check their pocket every couple minutes to make sure they didn't lose their phone; personally, I've switched from lighter prones to heavier ones for that reason. If a weight difference of less than 2 ounces is making your arm tire out any faster, you should go get checked out. Also, really, the extra
The point I'd really like to drive home, though, is this:
The most important reason people buy Apple is the culture of customer base their demand for high quality experiences leads to better applications.
Of course! That's why the OS is rapidly becoming slow and unstable, and major apps that exist on both platforms (like Adobe's suite) are routinely found to perform better on Windows. Wait, no, that's a problem for the kind of user who buys Apple products for what we both agree is the most important reason.
This is what Jobs did for Apple and what Cook is throwing away. As I said earlier, we're losing the all-around experience that people buy Apple for and seeing it replaced with "ooh look, shiiiiiiiiiiiiiny"! We disagree on why that's a good thing; I think it's great that I'll have another chance to buy cheap Apple stock in a few years, since I missed
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
Also, really, the extra <4mm of thickness my Nexus 6 brings over the iPhone 6 Plus (my wifes is next to me for comparison) is only in the middle if the curved (to fit your hand) back. A benefit, as it helps you grip it better, the only point my Apple fanboi best frend of over a decade has ever let me have over Apple. Your opinion is welcome (and likely) to differ, but keep in mind that it's only opinion and not fact; it is neither right nor wrong.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
>it's a hassle to set up, maintain, and access the separate XP test lab
A testlab should always be separated from the normal corporate network. Allowing them to be connected is a big no-no.
Quite wrong. Before Windows 7, XP was the best OS Microsoft ever made. Bad experience with Vista made people careful about updating to Windows 7, and when XP support was dropped, Windows 10 was close enough that updating to Windows 7 would be a stupid thing to do.
(And yes, they avoid Vista 8.1 with good reason).
Well clearly it is not the best OS in 2015. Yet they continued using it for years. Ergo...
That's just false. OSX stability and performance in 10,10 is far far better than say 10.4-6. Take for example the complexity of the video subsystems required to overlay 3 different screens for retina displays. The video subsystem handling of high performance video cards wasn't finished until 10.4 And wasn't stable or usable then. 10.7 is when what 10.7 does became possible. The memory handling for battery life requires a tremendously complex kernel. 10.10 is advanced over 10.9 over 10.8 and really before that you don't have anything remotely as complex.
So I'm going to throw it out this way. What subsystem is less stable or lower performance today and say 5 years ago? Let's hit your list:
That's a bug that gets fixed soon. Apple had bugs in 10.2, 10.3, 10.4...
There were many more bugs in Job’s day. You sound like you have a worm or something, that isn’t OSX.
Sure.
The G4 had terrible throughput for memory and hard drives relative to CPU speed. The result was that the machine pulled a lot of no-ops. It was a bad CPU in a period when Intel CPUs were cheap and much more powerful. The G5 was excellent but then Jobs wouldn’t commit to a laptop version so just as his CPU problems were fixed he migrated away.
Another area where Jobs made sacrifices was on his memory sourcing. Apple customers often had to pay 5x or more street price for memory.
By 2nd or 3rd I meant compared to individual phones. i.e. HTC One M9, Samsung Galaxy S6, HTC Desire Eye, Motorola Moto X, Lumia 1520
While the opposite is true on Android vs. iOS. If this were about Tim Cook that shouldn’t be happening.
In the end we disagree that there has been slippage in the software to any great degree. I don’t disagree with your point philosophically: were OSX’s all around experience worse than Windows the hardware wouldn’t make up for that. What I disagree with you on is a matter of fact, that OSX’s experience is worse.
You're assuming that Apple gets significant revenue from XP users. People who still run an ancient OS that no longer gets security updates are not likely to be good customers for anything computer-related. Apple probably has good figures, and I suspect there was a revenue vs. costs analysis before they dropped support.
Not to mention that Microsoft pulled its support last year, while Apple continued its support until this year. Apple drops support for its MacOSX machines a bit faster than I like, but other than that they're pretty good.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
So as long as you don't care about stuff like (mostly) guaranteed OS updates you can get a ad card slot -- which you still can't always use to store apps....
That's just false. OSX stability and performance in 10,10 is far far better than say 10.4-6.
My experience (consistent across multiple machines, not just the one I'm typing on right now) and many, many users posting with stability and performance issues that were introduced with Lion and have persisted since. Yes, Apple had bugs before lion, but none that were both performance/stability-affecting and persisted through multiple versions of the OS. That's a new development under Cook, and a very bad sign for those of us who use our machines professionally.
Let's hit your list
... and let's also realize I didn't list every issue. If you want that, I can certainly do it; it'll be one of the longest posts I've ever made here, though.
That's a bug that gets fixed soon. Apple had bugs in 10.2, 10.3, 10.4...
It's been an issue since 10.7. What usability bugs can you point out, pre-10.7, that persisted for multiple releases? I'm honestly asking, since 10.6 was the first version I used.
There were many more bugs in Job’s day.
Shall I provide my comprehensive list? I only listed a handful of the more aggravating issues I've dealt with in the past couple days.
You sound like you have a worm or something, that isn’t OSX.
Then that work shipped on this machine, as the issue persisted when migrating from another machine, despite installing only trusted binaries direct from the developer (e.g. Firefox, Chrome, Adobe stuff, really not a whole hell of a lot else). Considering that this has been an issue for me since the early Yosemite betas (and not before then) and Avast hasn't picked anything up I'm gonna have to say it's not a worm. Especially considering that everyone I know who uses messages and doesn't reboot every other day has the same issue. It's not like it *immediately* uses all of that RAM; in fact, that I refer to it as a memory leak should indicate to you that it behaves as one. It's very well-behaved right now because I just killed and restarted Messages last night, but in a few days it'll be right back up there.
The G4 had terrible throughput for memory and hard drives relative to CPU speed.
And that has what to do with Jobs? He didn't design the CPU; in fact, nobody at Apple did, it was designed and manufactured by IBM, with some manufacturing also being done by Freescale. IBM started making the chips in 1990, 6 years before Jobs' return to Apple. The company was not in a position to pull off an architecture switch in 1996, so the move from G3 to G4 was a logical one; switching to Intel at that time would have killed Apple.
The G5 was excellent but then Jobs wouldn’t commit to a laptop version so just as his CPU problems were fixed he migrated away.
Jobs wouldn't commit to a laptop version because the performance-per-watt just wasn't there. It's hard to sell a laptop with a 45min battery life because the CPU chugs rather than sipping. To top it off, the G5 ran extremely hot and no laptop cooling solution seemed to be able to keep it stable. The final nail in the coffin was IBM's failure to deliver faster chips as they had promised, coupled with their inability to supply enough parts. Freescale wasn't making these chipe, they were all coming from IBM, and IBM wasn't making them fast enough (in either sense of the word) for the desktop sales Apple was seeing; just imagine how things would have gone had they also tried putting them in laptops. Actually, it probably wouldn't have been much of a problem as very few people would have wanted a laptop that melted its casing, overheated, and became unstable; assuming you had it plugged in, as the battery wouldn't have lasted long enough to cause those problems.
The CPU issues were solved when Jobs pushed everyone over to Intel.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
My experience (consistent across multiple machines, not just the one I'm typing on right now) and many, many users posting with stability and performance issues that were introduced with Lion and have persisted since, would seem to disagree with this statement.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
... Windows users, either. Ba dum bum.
Agreed, but we are talking about content, not apps. Ram is dirt cheap these days -- the cost of ram in portable devices is largely artificial. There's no reason why a large amount of ram couldn't be provided at a reasonable price for apps, and still have a slot for content.
The reasons you want a slot for content are (a) the amount of storage needed for content tends to vary by individual (some of us only put a few songs on there, some don't use it at all, and some think they should carry around the library of congress) (b) the amount of storage needed for content tends to vary with time. (IE, when I realized how much more convenient my Bionic (for instance) was than my ipod touch, I just got a larger chip, transferred the music to the Bionic and retired the Touch.)
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
From the FAQ: "For best results, you should feed HandBrake unprotected video." Yet the vast majority of DVDs and all BDs are protected.
I think it refers to the fact that not all builds of HandBrake for all variants of all platforms include the DVD and BD decryption code. This page states that Windows users have to install Kodi (formerly XBMC) and dig the CSS library out of that. On which platform are you running HandBrake?
Are you completely ignorant of history, or merely pretending to in order to try to dig yourself out of a hole of stupidity?
The number of stories about vulnerabilities on Slashdot in the last 24 hours, the last week, or the entire lifetime of Slashdot is in no manner, way, shape or form an indicator of which platform is the Petri Dish.
The fact remains that Windows is by far worse than OS X or Linux.
When you see articles about OS X or Linux vulnerabilities they are always based on a condition that, if true, means you already were owned: ""Gatekeeper doesn't verify an extra content in the apps. So if I can find an Apple-approved app and get it to load external content, when the user runs it, it will bypass Gatekeeper," As you can see there is a magical requirement. All I have to do is somehow get ahold of an approved app, modify it, and then somehow resubmit it with the modifications. Now all that needs to happen is that when Apple notifies the app author his new submission was approved that he is too stupid to know that he didn't make such a submission and fail to notify Apple of said fact.. See. Super Easy!!!
It's likess almost every Linux vulnerability you see: "If an attacker can somehow gain local access to the machine at a console, and the version of Linux he is running happens to be vulnerable, then it is possible that someone could use a privilege escalation exploit to gain root.
Another huge Linux vulnerability is the rm command: "rm is a huge security flaw! If a cracker somehow gains root access to the system, rm makes it possible to delete critical files!"
Show me one Linux vulnerability in the last year that didn't require a highly skilled attacker combined with a set of highly unlikely conditions, or rely on the system to be poorly configured. Hell, forget the year limit. Show me one from within the last decade. Good Luck!
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
You are so stupid that you can't figure out that the time you spend reinstalling images and waiting for your antiquated shitstack of an OS easily offsets any cost of making the switch to a modern OS. Mind you, I'm no fan of Windows, but Windows 7 is much, much, much better than XP.
In any case, thanks for thinking you are smart and staying with XP without any thought of social responsibility. We all really appreciate that you are contributing to the overall insecurity of the Internet. Bravo!
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Sit down little boy. I haven''t dismissed you from class yet. As you just openly admitted, you don't get updates for Windows XP, you get it for WIndows XP Embedded. In other words, you are a phenomenally stupid moron regularly applying patches for the wrong OS to your system, hoping / assuming that changes made for a different version of the OS are safe and actually fix the vulnerability. It really takes the mystery of why you have to keep reinstalling (ROTFLMAO)
... yes I could write fuck, but on Slashdot the word fuck is spelled fsck. If you weren't a Windows douchebag who doesn't belong here in the first place, you'd know why the adults use fsck rather than fuck when posting on Slashdot.
... and go fsck yourself.
Don't even bother to come to school tomorrow. You have no hope of making it through the school year with anything better than a big F.
Which reminds me
Now off you go
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Oh please! You pontificating is nauseating. You can buy me the copy of Windows 7 if you want to obligate me to use it, and make sure it's the Ultimate edition! And the hardware to run it. Let's see... Intel board is fine, with dual zeon processors, at least 32 GB of RAM, 2TB enterprise quality SSD, 4K video with two 40in monitors, with wide gamut, ASIO/MIDI box, I'll send the rest of the list later. Thanks in advance!
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Actually, reading this, I see that I was wrong. For most people in the world it is true, but the years it would take you to learn how to use Windows 7 need to be taken into account, so you might be one of the few people on the planet for whom it is cheaper to keep using antiquated software on your antiquated hardware.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Nice troll!
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
I'm starting a car company, our cars will be well built, stylish, full of popular bells & whistles that the public will like & uber expensive...Oh one tiny catch...you have to buy your gas at the dealership, air your low tires at the dealership, in fact everything is so proprietary that you will need to use the dealership for everything; and if you don't not only is your warranty void, we reserve the right to prosecute you...but of course our fanbois will come out in droves to defend us & line up for days when the next years model comes out.
"If stupid things work...then they are not stupid."
You poor soul, that was $19.95 (if memory serves) down the drain. I bought a Mac with OS X 10.1. I had to spend $129 on the Jaguar 10.2 update to be able to burn CDs again (OS 9 had this functionality from launch but until 10.2, OS X did not).
$29.95, actually.:(
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
You're a bit behind the times. Both Linux and OS X are now more vulnerable operating systems than Windows.
Show me one Linux vulnerability in the last year that didn't require a highly skilled attacker combined with a set of highly unlikely conditions, or rely on the system to be poorly configured. Hell, forget the year limit. Show me one from within the last decade. Good Luck!
I guess you've forgotten about this. Or you can search for ShellShock or Heartbleed. And then there are the kernel bugs that cause race conditions last December, or last May's bug that allows users to get privileged access or do a DoS, not too good in a shared hosting / shared server environment. This bug has nothing to do with a "poorly configured system". It's a flaw.
Here's the security vulnerability list for the linux kernel for 2014, with 133 bugs.
Some of these bugs made the evening news, so I don't know how you missed them all,
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
I apologize.
I thought you were giving ME a hard time.
Then it occurred to me to look you up and you're a troll.
So my first thought was to tell you to fsck off, but, instead:
Fuck off.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
If you bought non-DRM stuff, it's not impacted by this.
Where did I say "there's a DRM-free movie store"?
"If you bought non-DRM stuff" implied to me that you were aware of someone selling said "non-DRM stuff".
Also, very few people were buying movies from iTunes. People were using Netflix, Amazon or still going to video stores.
Netflix streaming launched in the fourth quarter of 2008. Amazon Unbox (now Amazon Instant Video) launched in September 2006. iTunes preceded both, selling a million videos by October 31, 2005. Or did you mean that the use of all lawful Internet video services was still a rounding error compared to DVD?
Never considered an Apple product since, and only touched them on occasions (to move them out of the way).
Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
That's funny. Not realistic, and funny.