Quite odd..other publications that carry more clout than the moniker "Anonymous Coward" disagree with you, as do I. See the most current Slashdot topic for more information...and for the record I find it absurd that you think Apples or Hondas are slow and primitive.
But I don't think that it is as hope-generating as some people might first believe.
Wrong. Just plain wrong. You're assuming (as a home user) that the only front Linux is fighting is on the desktop. It's a huge boon for the industry, that a freely-maintained, open operating system will run a lot of the tech average joe uses at home. Linux is (in most people's opinions) the next big thing® in embedded technology, why make blanket statements about it that only refer to the Desktop war?
Unfortunately, for those of us who graduated high school a few years ago, we no longer feel the need to be validated by staying up late grokking sparse documentation and munging through config files. Most of the intelligent people here have done more than their fair share of that. Once you get otu of school and find yourself spending many a late night at work tinkering all day, then coming home to family, you begin to realize that no, you do not in fact want to stay up even later to get your new sound card to work correctly. Agreed though, the Apple way is not for everyone. If it was, we'd all be driving BMWs that virtually never need maintenance. Still a lot of us though either can't afford one and drive Dodge Shadows, or like tinkering and drive 68' Ford Mustangs...And the AC's are right, no one sells a week old laptop, they return it.
I beg to differ. All the industry is begging for is standards. We have already done that many, many times as a community. It's not the MS Wide Web, IIRC. If we need a monopoly to hold our hand to encode all of our images or documents, explain how in a few years we as a community got hundreds of millions of radically different computers connected on fiber and copper heterogenous networks, all talking in one set of protocols? Pardon me if I think that that's a more noteworthy goal that's been achieved. You and I are both typing this thanks to open and collaborative protocols that have been developed with no surcharges attached. All we need is a way of standardizing a particular media format, and documenting and opening its standard, not a Big Brother to force feed it to us.
I actually live in Schnecksville (zip code 18078, population much lower), and mine does too (I can only get slow one-way cable)..but I'm still not sure what it would help or why people in Alaska should help pay for it. If the people of Schnecksville want computer facilities, they should band together with surrounding communities and set one up, IMO.
While I don't know where your "sleepy little town" is located, I do have a lot of contacts in the Seattle area, which gives me a little insight as to the atmosphere of the area. This is all my own wild speculation, but I'd venture to guess that there is little if any federal government involvement. Seattle is a rather large city, with a lot of revenue coming from the tech sector; the cost of living is moderately high, and most people are tech-friendly (compared to where I come from). The local government also seems to be very active and progressive, which is why it wouldn't surprise me if they were most, if not all, of the public backing. Thus, I'd say that's were most of the funding is coming from. Secondly, as a small-towner myself (and I mean no offense when I say this), I personally don't *want* my federal tax dollars going to fund your sleepy-town-Internet-cafes. There's no reason why Elmyra, NY needs more funding for Public Access Computing than Schnecksville, PA does. At that rate, as a registered voter and taxpayer, I'm simply not going to pay for a PAC center in every small town.
In my eyes, the only feasible way to set up something like this is on a not-for-profit Internet Cafe scheme, or perhaps have it funded by the locals.
A friend of mine in the US Air Force just transferred out to Okinawa, Japan, and he pays ~ $30 a month for something like 200 hours of dialup. The parent node *WAS* talking about dialup, not xDSL (which I don't think was an option to him).
To be perfectly honest, no, I have not yet read Tim's snippet. However, I don't think that "Bashes" should be used..I know that this isn't necessarily an objective news medium, but I think that a lot of Slashdot readers agree with him, as I've noted from recent related articles. He's not bashing the act, just stating that the act is no different than what the software giants were doing previously with their economy of scale. Just because we're on the morally correct side (moreso than say Microsoft, kindly proprietary software vendors do exist) doesn't justify shutting out other solutions.
If you love something, set it free. If the governments proposing similar things would step back from regulating the choice of software solution and let logic prevail, a lot of times they would end up using OS solutions anyway.
About a year ago starting my sophomore year in college, I myself wrote an Im bot. It wasn't amazingly robust, but it was well documented and falls in the realm of their patent. All of the code (and a webpage, and html pages included with the source) was dated September 2001, which was before the patent was granted, but after it was filed. Where does that leave my bot? Am I not allowed to run it without punitive action? Can I still post the source and/or cite it in a resume?
nah, i bet it's Lisp. most perl code requires you to hold down the shift key a lot..have you tried pressing two buttons as a quadraped with no movable digits lately?
...WHAT money? And for the record..why do you keep bashing Microsoft (besides the fact that they're Microsoft)? Like it or not, they ARE profitable, the internal auditors of say WorldCom are who you should be directing your anger at. So please, when you're arguing a point that carries divine consequence: MAKE SENSE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!
They're supposed to be learning the fundamentals of programming, not learning how to write a fuckin' application.
AFAIK, the entire premise of C# was pretty much take everything that was right with Java and mix it with everything that was right with C++. However, it was also created with the specific intent to be used to quickly create applications using VS.NET, and tools such as windows forms. On the educational level (i.e. negating lack of truly scalable I/O, etc.), the only thing wrong Java is that isn't very speedy. Whew, because you know, when I wrote my first linked-list program, I sure could have used those extra 147.8 milliseconds. Java also allows anyone (even say graphic designers or computer animation majors, who may be using an Apple, taking an intro CS course) to write and run their programs just about anywhere. Until Mono is complete (and even then..it won't have out of the box OS X support), that can't be said about C#. My point here is this: Java, C, and other high level languages (there are even better than these two) are *MUCH* better suited for education. C# is very much a language created almost solely for creating enterprise-class interoperable applications, which is in stark contrast to your portrayal of it. As a last note, most colleges and universities have UNIX labs in their CS department, and until Mono becomes enterprise-class as well (Even then, for any graphical apps, they'd have to use Gnome), they'd have to make the MS switch.
I totally disagree. You can't call the most used language on the planet stupid, if it was it wouldn't be the most widely used, (it's different with operating systems, of course, Windows is stupid, but it's widely used, but anyway, I digress).
I don't see how it's different with operating systems at all. Millions of people use Windows (a decidedly "stupid" OS), simply because they're accustomed to it. They've used it probably as long as they've used a computer (millions of people refers to a specific user group here - home users), they were raised on it. Now putting the intelligence of a language aside for a moment, ubiquitousness of a language is determined generally by one thing: heritage. There are many, many people who only speak one language in this world, and they don't choose one based on its ease of use or adaptability; they learn the language that their parents speak. The simple fact that China has well over one billion people, and that Southeast Asia is heavily populated is about enough to make it the most used language, regardless of how "stupid" or not it may be.
IBM (i think?) put out something like that called RobotWars, to promote learning Java. You started with a base robot class, and followed certain guidlines to create your own simple AI for the robot. Certainly an RPG like that would be nothing short of amazing.
You obviously didn't even finish reading his sentence..I really find it hard to believe that Perl with apache could be the best example for why OSS works!
From davorg's commentary, "in chapter 1 Petersen takes a look at the wider world of Open Source Software and in the process presents one of the best arguments I've seen in print for why a company should choose Open Source Software." That does *NOT* mean that Perl/Apache is the best argument for going Open Source, he's merely saying that the book provides good reasoning for doing so. The Mythical Man-Month was written 25 years ago and refers mainly to assembly and PL/I code (which is irrelevant since 95% of coding occurs in a higher level language today, and all's quiet on the PL/I front), but it still remains a definitive reference on software engineering principles and how to manage massive software projects. Good insight comes from the abstract, not the implemenatation.
it's funny how you tell him that he's uneducated, yet all you said in your favor was that your "dicks are bigger", calling Americans retarded, and talk of "stealing american's money".
hmm..you may be Canadian, but Margaret Atwood you're not, eh?
agreed, if he did set up a speed trap, that is illegal, and if not...then contest the ticket and chances are he won't show up. if he does, then he had no means of judging your speed in the first place.
but firstly, of course, there is no way that he can be ticketed, if he only drove on your farm.
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So J2EE and Java in general is scripting? What about C++/C#/J++/VB.NET? Those are all compiled only to an intermediate language, then interpreted.
All I can say is HAH. *I*'m only paying $350 a month for my apartment in beautiful, sunny Rochester, NY.
Quite odd..other publications that carry more clout than the moniker "Anonymous Coward" disagree with you, as do I. See the most current Slashdot topic for more information. ..and for the record I find it absurd that you think Apples or Hondas are slow and primitive.
But I don't think that it is as hope-generating as some people might first believe.
Wrong. Just plain wrong. You're assuming (as a home user) that the only front Linux is fighting is on the desktop. It's a huge boon for the industry, that a freely-maintained, open operating system will run a lot of the tech average joe uses at home. Linux is (in most people's opinions) the next big thing® in embedded technology, why make blanket statements about it that only refer to the Desktop war?
I couldn't find a program for Mac that let me alias screennames.
Look harder. Adium, an OS third party AIM client does that.
Unfortunately, for those of us who graduated high school a few years ago, we no longer feel the need to be validated by staying up late grokking sparse documentation and munging through config files. Most of the intelligent people here have done more than their fair share of that. Once you get otu of school and find yourself spending many a late night at work tinkering all day, then coming home to family, you begin to realize that no, you do not in fact want to stay up even later to get your new sound card to work correctly. Agreed though, the Apple way is not for everyone. If it was, we'd all be driving BMWs that virtually never need maintenance. Still a lot of us though either can't afford one and drive Dodge Shadows, or like tinkering and drive 68' Ford Mustangs. ..And the AC's are right, no one sells a week old laptop, they return it.
I beg to differ. All the industry is begging for is standards. We have already done that many, many times as a community. It's not the MS Wide Web, IIRC. If we need a monopoly to hold our hand to encode all of our images or documents, explain how in a few years we as a community got hundreds of millions of radically different computers connected on fiber and copper heterogenous networks, all talking in one set of protocols? Pardon me if I think that that's a more noteworthy goal that's been achieved. You and I are both typing this thanks to open and collaborative protocols that have been developed with no surcharges attached. All we need is a way of standardizing a particular media format, and documenting and opening its standard, not a Big Brother to force feed it to us.
I actually live in Schnecksville (zip code 18078, population much lower), and mine does too (I can only get slow one-way cable)..but I'm still not sure what it would help or why people in Alaska should help pay for it. If the people of Schnecksville want computer facilities, they should band together with surrounding communities and set one up, IMO.
I bet a six year old could spell "supposedly" right. :P
While I don't know where your "sleepy little town" is located, I do have a lot of contacts in the Seattle area, which gives me a little insight as to the atmosphere of the area. This is all my own wild speculation, but I'd venture to guess that there is little if any federal government involvement. Seattle is a rather large city, with a lot of revenue coming from the tech sector; the cost of living is moderately high, and most people are tech-friendly (compared to where I come from). The local government also seems to be very active and progressive, which is why it wouldn't surprise me if they were most, if not all, of the public backing. Thus, I'd say that's were most of the funding is coming from. Secondly, as a small-towner myself (and I mean no offense when I say this), I personally don't *want* my federal tax dollars going to fund your sleepy-town-Internet-cafes. There's no reason why Elmyra, NY needs more funding for Public Access Computing than Schnecksville, PA does. At that rate, as a registered voter and taxpayer, I'm simply not going to pay for a PAC center in every small town.
In my eyes, the only feasible way to set up something like this is on a not-for-profit Internet Cafe scheme, or perhaps have it funded by the locals.
hey hey hey, let's not make blanket statements, my girlfriend learned after the first time that those trieals aren't free.
A friend of mine in the US Air Force just transferred out to Okinawa, Japan, and he pays ~ $30 a month for something like 200 hours of dialup. The parent node *WAS* talking about dialup, not xDSL (which I don't think was an option to him).
To be perfectly honest, no, I have not yet read Tim's snippet. However, I don't think that "Bashes" should be used..I know that this isn't necessarily an objective news medium, but I think that a lot of Slashdot readers agree with him, as I've noted from recent related articles. He's not bashing the act, just stating that the act is no different than what the software giants were doing previously with their economy of scale. Just because we're on the morally correct side (moreso than say Microsoft, kindly proprietary software vendors do exist) doesn't justify shutting out other solutions.
If you love something, set it free. If the governments proposing similar things would step back from regulating the choice of software solution and let logic prevail, a lot of times they would end up using OS solutions anyway.
About a year ago starting my sophomore year in college, I myself wrote an Im bot. It wasn't amazingly robust, but it was well documented and falls in the realm of their patent. All of the code (and a webpage, and html pages included with the source) was dated September 2001, which was before the patent was granted, but after it was filed. Where does that leave my bot? Am I not allowed to run it without punitive action? Can I still post the source and/or cite it in a resume?
nah, i bet it's Lisp. most perl code requires you to hold down the shift key a lot..have you tried pressing two buttons as a quadraped with no movable digits lately?
...WHAT money? And for the record..why do you keep bashing Microsoft (besides the fact that they're Microsoft)? Like it or not, they ARE profitable, the internal auditors of say WorldCom are who you should be directing your anger at. So please, when you're arguing a point that carries divine consequence: MAKE SENSE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!
They're supposed to be learning the fundamentals of programming, not learning how to write a fuckin' application.
AFAIK, the entire premise of C# was pretty much take everything that was right with Java and mix it with everything that was right with C++. However, it was also created with the specific intent to be used to quickly create applications using VS.NET, and tools such as windows forms. On the educational level (i.e. negating lack of truly scalable I/O, etc.), the only thing wrong Java is that isn't very speedy. Whew, because you know, when I wrote my first linked-list program, I sure could have used those extra 147.8 milliseconds. Java also allows anyone (even say graphic designers or computer animation majors, who may be using an Apple, taking an intro CS course) to write and run their programs just about anywhere. Until Mono is complete (and even then..it won't have out of the box OS X support), that can't be said about C#. My point here is this: Java, C, and other high level languages (there are even better than these two) are *MUCH* better suited for education. C# is very much a language created almost solely for creating enterprise-class interoperable applications, which is in stark contrast to your portrayal of it. As a last note, most colleges and universities have UNIX labs in their CS department, and until Mono becomes enterprise-class as well (Even then, for any graphical apps, they'd have to use Gnome), they'd have to make the MS switch.
I totally disagree. You can't call the most used language on the planet stupid, if it was it wouldn't be the most widely used, (it's different with operating systems, of course, Windows is stupid, but it's widely used, but anyway, I digress).
I don't see how it's different with operating systems at all. Millions of people use Windows (a decidedly "stupid" OS), simply because they're accustomed to it. They've used it probably as long as they've used a computer (millions of people refers to a specific user group here - home users), they were raised on it. Now putting the intelligence of a language aside for a moment, ubiquitousness of a language is determined generally by one thing: heritage. There are many, many people who only speak one language in this world, and they don't choose one based on its ease of use or adaptability; they learn the language that their parents speak. The simple fact that China has well over one billion people, and that Southeast Asia is heavily populated is about enough to make it the most used language, regardless of how "stupid" or not it may be.
But..but I only have 5 digits on each hand, do I need to upgrade my firmware?
IBM (i think?) put out something like that called RobotWars, to promote learning Java. You started with a base robot class, and followed certain guidlines to create your own simple AI for the robot. Certainly an RPG like that would be nothing short of amazing.
s/coagulate bleeding/facilitate coagulation/ then
...would be inpenetrable, thanks to a heavily fortified firewall that spans the length of eastern France, dubbed the "Maginot Firewall".
You obviously didn't even finish reading his sentence..I really find it hard to believe that Perl with apache could be the best example for why OSS works!
From davorg's commentary, "in chapter 1 Petersen takes a look at the wider world of Open Source Software and in the process presents one of the best arguments I've seen in print for why a company should choose Open Source Software." That does *NOT* mean that Perl/Apache is the best argument for going Open Source, he's merely saying that the book provides good reasoning for doing so. The Mythical Man-Month was written 25 years ago and refers mainly to assembly and PL/I code (which is irrelevant since 95% of coding occurs in a higher level language today, and all's quiet on the PL/I front), but it still remains a definitive reference on software engineering principles and how to manage massive software projects. Good insight comes from the abstract, not the implemenatation.
it's funny how you tell him that he's uneducated, yet all you said in your favor was that your "dicks are bigger", calling Americans retarded, and talk of "stealing american's money".
hmm..you may be Canadian, but Margaret Atwood you're not, eh?
agreed, if he did set up a speed trap, that is illegal, and if not...then contest the ticket and chances are he won't show up. if he does, then he had no means of judging your speed in the first place.
but firstly, of course, there is no way that he can be ticketed, if he only drove on your farm.