Right click on toolbars, customize, select extended formatting, click close. Then click on the 2x space (or 1.5x space) button. This works on Word 2000, probably very similar on any other version of Office.
So it's 5 clicks only the first time you use it, and from then on, it's 1 click. I've never used it before, and it took me approximately 45 seconds to figure it out. I still, however, cannot figure out how to insert images into OO docs without leaving them default size or distorting them all to hell. OO is just too frustrating and clunky for me, and I don't do much beyond text and images - sometimes a little line drawing.
I quoted from the article you referenced, BTW - I didn't think that was too hard to follow.
Perhaps my initial post was overstated (as are yours, BTW, even moreso) - but again, more precisely, all that *I* had heard from the news was (generally speaking) larger margins for Gore, and it turned into a statistical dead heat - and similar errors in the many other issues at hand during previous elections. My links "prove" that you are a liar (or dishonest) by your logic....even with your subsequent artificial constraint about weighting later polls more heavily, and focussing exclusively on the popular vote for the president.
Are you being dishonest now, because I dug up evidence to the contrary? Hmmm....
Obviously, the polls are often off by more than their statistical margin of error. Sometimes significantly so. Perhaps I was factoring in more local, and other national issues - I did not constrain my observation to national polls of the presidential popular vote. Even still, it is easy to dig up plenty of polls that support that.
I have no intent to deceive, and I am also not a Bush supporter.
The latest Reuters/MSNBC/Zogby tracking poll has the contest at 45 percent for Gore and 43 percent for Bush. I guess those got far more play in the news that I saw, because Gore was up well more than that. I'm also talking about the overall message, rather than each and every individual source, if that wasn't clear.
You could be a tad bit less of a jackass about it (it works on so many levels!), but YMMV. You haven't 'proven' anything other than the fact that there is a large amount of variability from one poll to the next.
The other funny thing is that the last several elections have offered polls which tended CONSISTENTLY several points to the left of reality. I'm talking off by 5-10 points just before the election - and always to the left.
Clearly, there is an issue with the polling methodology, but it isn't ignoring all the 'younger, hipper, quicker, and smarter' cell phone devotees.
I wonder what makes them automatically overlook Kerry's lies?
Yeah. We need a return to the iron fisted, monopoly-shredding DOJ we had under Clinton. MS was on the ropes in 2000 and everything was highly competitive and beautiful back then. Then the evil Republicans got elected, and MS's market share soared from its well-watched 10-15% to well over 90%. The sky grew dark, and....
I play a little game whenever stuff like this comes up. I call it 'spot the fascist.'
I like to play a little game whenever stuff like this comes up. I call it, 'spot the ultraliberal who has shut their brain off.' They're usually ones who start falsely labelling people like me facists, and adding me to their enemy lists.
Clearly, how could I want something as insidious as voters who care enough to register who will probably keep their ballots out of the hands of cheaters and be anything other than a facist?
Facists, facists, everywhere. You sure know how to call 'em.
I hope you don't think that's where I'm coming from. I think the bigger problem is the potential for abuse by people stealing ballots and even re-registering addresses for people who aren't likely to notice.
There certainly is the aspect you point out and the above reply does: trying to encourage voters favorable/unfavorable to you to vote/not vote.
My bad, it seems to vary by state. In CA, it is illegal - apparently, some people might apparently feel intimidated by having to present identification to prove who they are, so they can't ask for it.
This is a terrible idea, for the same reason the Motor Voter Bill was. Get a bunch of people registered who were otherwise too lazy to do so, when it's illegal to ask for ID at the polls, and not even required for absentee ballots? Great. Just what we need. More ballots floating around for people who can't be bothered to sign up to vote. I'm sure they'll keep track of their ballots and not let other people steal them because they might WIN FREE STUFF.
What exactly am I wrong about? We had cable before they had any sort of broadband at any reasonable cost. We even had dial up access before most countries. The rate of adoption has nothing to do with who had what and when.
The rate of adoption difference (which I didn't argue with) is also exaggerated because we had cable very early on before most people were tech savvy enough to care about a fat pipe. By the time it was "cool," we'd had it for years, and they just barely gotten it installed. Theirs is also newer tech, and not surprisingly, faster. They were behind, now they're ahead - in both tech and adoption. That's called leapfrogging.
Coincidentally, I just got back from South Korea a few weeks ago. The density of population there cannot be overstated. 25M of the country's 45M live in the Seoul metropolitan area.
...would be that we had far more broadband years before most (all?) of these other countries, and the ISP portion was even built without the luxury of huge government subsidies. These other countries finally decided to invest in some broadband technology a few years ago, and the years-newer installation is faster. Duh.
Ours will need to be upgraded at some point - and it will - and the leapfrogging will continue. We're also probably not going to see an incremental 2x or 4x improvement to keep up with the Joneses, but a 10x leap - but it probably won't happen for a few years.
I wonder if their news services will publish "OMG! We aer teh technakal bak watar!11!" articles, or if they had done so several years ago when the US was pretty much the only place you could get affordable broadband for personal use?
Wow, this is a first for me. See any of my other comments regarding issues I've had with Linux - it's the first thing people suspect, then when I report that it works fine in Windows and didn't work fine in multiple Linux setups, then they call me a liar and blame the hardware again. Or me, because, you know, when I clicked 'install now,' and it detected my SBLive! and installed the fucked up drivers, I did something wrong.
It makes me boggle too - as with the previous article, it's 2004, and sound cards are still a sizable issue. FC2 actually worked for me right away, too - I don't recall what the last RH version that did.
True, but the gripe as stated in the story summary is often that the hardware vendors haven't released drivers or specs, and that isn't always the reason the parts don't work. Creative released open source drivers, and while it certainly has (from time to time) worked, and works fine out of the box for *some* people, it has consistently been an issue for me and several other people. Mine was PCI, and I tried it (several SB Lives through work and home) with several mobos, and hardly ever had a good configuration out of the box. Sometimes I got it working, but a lot of the time, I just gave up, and waited for the next release or another distro to hopefully fix the problem.
The typical caveats: I've always used good quality hardware, I've tried Intel/AMD and several mobos, almost always the same result: no/bad sound. I can't seem to ever convince a lot of people here that the issue is real, and they instead attack me or blame the hardware, which (yikes!) works fine in Windows. As evidenced by the Achilles Heel articles and replies from other people, I'm not alone.
It would also probably be easier to convince manufacturers to release more information if they knew it would be well cared for and not make them look dumb, since a lot of people aren't going to understand why a card doesn't work and just return it to the store saying it's broken. The SBLive! driver sets a bad precedent for this.
...of hardware that has released open source drivers several years ago and *still* doesn't work reliably in Linux. Take the Soundblaster, for example - a very common item, that still doesn't work a lot of the time, across multiple (all major ones, certainly) distributions. I duplicated this time and time again with my Soundblaster Live! card. IIRC, Fedora Core 2 and Mandrake 10 Official finally started working again, but I gave up on them after the myriad of other problems I had (none of which were driver-related). See the Linux's Achilles Heel article and the follow up.
Since the problem is not stability of the OS, but the vendor not verifying patches to work with the application, you have solved nothing.
You think GE Medical Systems, Philips Medical Systems and Agfa are suddenly going to test the shit out of Linux patches (which are just as plentiful) because....?
I'm sure all the IT directors are ready to take the patients' lives in their own hands and do some kernel hacking and beta testing on site, though.
nVidia's always done a good job there in my experience. I just find it tiresome to hear about how the manufacturers are at fault, and when they not only release drivers but open source drivers for a very common device such as a SoundBlaster card, the drivers still don't work with any regularity. Across multiple installs. Multiple machines.
What else is there for it to do? Get it to work right, maybe? The SB Live drivers are not great. At all, even the ALSA version.
The whole gist of the article is that SB drivers don't work very well (not at all for the author through many distros). I have had the same experience - open source drivers, and they don't work, and all I hear are complaints that the manufacturers won't release specs, yadda yadda. What more could you ask for in this case? Developers still dropped the ball.
That's why I gave up on Linux after 5 or more years of this. Too much hassle, not enough stuff that works. SBLive! drivers don't work right a lot of the time (almost never for me, several sets of hardware, several distros), in addition to all sorts of other annoyances.
How about starting with the SoundBlaster soundcard? It has full open source drivers from the manufacturer (at least for the SBLive!), and support is flaky at best. If the Linux community doesn't take the ball and run with it, hardware manufacturers will have no incentive to support anything.
I keep hearing that all that is needed is support from the manufacturers, but that isn't apparently enough. Not even open source drivers FROM the manufacturer are enough, at least in the case of a simple sound card, which is incredibly common and not right off the manufacturing line or so old you can't get them any more.
See here and here for more info, and don't forget to call me a liar and a troll for good measure, and don't address the problem.
IT'S NOT HARDWARE ISSUES, unless Windows somehow has added some hardware error correction code that Linux lacks. Same hardware, almost never crashes in Windows, crashes more often in Linux....Hmmm.....
No I WOULDN'T know how to find the kernel panic log because I'm not a Linux expert. As I explained, I keep trying it, and I've gotten fairly good at navigating all the myriad of problems getting it installed, but when it keeps crashing despite all the efforts, I usually just 'shrug and reboot' and wait until the next distro release to see if any of these issues have been fixed./var/logs? Yeah, that would have been my first choice, but getting help from elitist condescending assholes on how to interperet the data and fix these issues after spending hours and days fucking with it, vs. rebooting into Windows and not having to deal with any of this crap? Tough choice.
This has happened on several boxes, as I've mentioned, all running XP quite stably. One I just finally broke down and installed some patches and rebooted after 45 days - it's been up for longer before. No, I don't give a shit if someone had their Linux box up for 46 days, I only bring this up because it's clearly stable, and somehow weathers these alleged "hardware issues" without crashing.
The reaction I get when I try to get help is much the same as it is here when I point out shortcomings, so I think I'm done with Linux for a while. Thanks for the extra little push, guys. Oh yeah, about 1/3 of the time lilo just ignores my keyboard (like this morning), and boots to the default setting. Fortunately for me, it's Windows.
Proof? Sorry, hasn't panicked today so far. I know, I should really be shocked.
I call "asshole" on you and the rest of the detractors who with zero proof call me a liar. Fuck you. Fuck Linux. Fuck the Linux zealots who can't understand that it isn't perfect.
Default settings, quality hardware (no not a fucking laptop) and Linux has over 10x the crash/freeze/panic rate that Windows does, at least for me. Silly me, I just install the default settings and don't screw with it, and of course it doesn't work, I didn't enter the secret code!
Just for next time (even though, after repeated frustrating fuckwits like yourself insulting me rather than helping me) just in case I do actually reboot into Linux again, to enjoy the non-productivity, how do I save my crash information so that I can shove it down your throat, you smug arrogant prick?
The only time I've gotten any use out of Linux is when I reformat the WHOLE drive to NTFS and recover that useless 5G I always set aside for getting frustrated and getting called a liar for it not working perfectly.
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Right click on toolbars, customize, select extended formatting, click close. Then click on the 2x space (or 1.5x space) button. This works on Word 2000, probably very similar on any other version of Office.
So it's 5 clicks only the first time you use it, and from then on, it's 1 click. I've never used it before, and it took me approximately 45 seconds to figure it out. I still, however, cannot figure out how to insert images into OO docs without leaving them default size or distorting them all to hell. OO is just too frustrating and clunky for me, and I don't do much beyond text and images - sometimes a little line drawing.
http://www.zogby.com/search/ReadNews.dbm?ID=259 Gore up 5.4%
a gerty_predicts_gore_win.htm UC Davis "statistical analysis" predicts Gore win
6 /184917.shtml Zogby predicts Gore win (Nov. 6, 2000)
/ 11/06/daily19.html Online (yeah, I know) Harris poll predicts Gore win
http://www.zogby.com/search/ReadNews.dbm?ID=276 Gore now up 7%
http://www.gsm.ucdavis.edu/visitors_center/news/h
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2000/11/
http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/stories/2000
http://www.apsanet.org/PS/march01/lewisbeck.cfm Gore post-mortem off by almost 7%
It's not that hard to dig this stuff up.
I quoted from the article you referenced, BTW - I didn't think that was too hard to follow.
Perhaps my initial post was overstated (as are yours, BTW, even moreso) - but again, more precisely, all that *I* had heard from the news was (generally speaking) larger margins for Gore, and it turned into a statistical dead heat - and similar errors in the many other issues at hand during previous elections. My links "prove" that you are a liar (or dishonest) by your logic....even with your subsequent artificial constraint about weighting later polls more heavily, and focussing exclusively on the popular vote for the president.
Are you being dishonest now, because I dug up evidence to the contrary? Hmmm....
Obviously, the polls are often off by more than their statistical margin of error. Sometimes significantly so. Perhaps I was factoring in more local, and other national issues - I did not constrain my observation to national polls of the presidential popular vote. Even still, it is easy to dig up plenty of polls that support that.
I have no intent to deceive, and I am also not a Bush supporter.
The latest Reuters/MSNBC/Zogby tracking poll has the contest at 45 percent for Gore and 43 percent for Bush.
I guess those got far more play in the news that I saw, because Gore was up well more than that. I'm also talking about the overall message, rather than each and every individual source, if that wasn't clear.
You could be a tad bit less of a jackass about it (it works on so many levels!), but YMMV. You haven't 'proven' anything other than the fact that there is a large amount of variability from one poll to the next.
The other funny thing is that the last several elections have offered polls which tended CONSISTENTLY several points to the left of reality. I'm talking off by 5-10 points just before the election - and always to the left.
Clearly, there is an issue with the polling methodology, but it isn't ignoring all the 'younger, hipper, quicker, and smarter' cell phone devotees.
I wonder what makes them automatically overlook Kerry's lies?
Yeah. We need a return to the iron fisted, monopoly-shredding DOJ we had under Clinton. MS was on the ropes in 2000 and everything was highly competitive and beautiful back then. Then the evil Republicans got elected, and MS's market share soared from its well-watched 10-15% to well over 90%. The sky grew dark, and....
OH JANET RENO, WHERE ARE YOU WHEN WE NEED YOU?
I play a little game whenever stuff like this comes up. I call it 'spot the fascist.'
I like to play a little game whenever stuff like this comes up. I call it, 'spot the ultraliberal who has shut their brain off.' They're usually ones who start falsely labelling people like me facists, and adding me to their enemy lists.
Clearly, how could I want something as insidious as voters who care enough to register who will probably keep their ballots out of the hands of cheaters and be anything other than a facist?
Facists, facists, everywhere. You sure know how to call 'em.
I hope you don't think that's where I'm coming from. I think the bigger problem is the potential for abuse by people stealing ballots and even re-registering addresses for people who aren't likely to notice.
There certainly is the aspect you point out and the above reply does: trying to encourage voters favorable/unfavorable to you to vote/not vote.
I replied to the first person who asked, but it's buried in the thread. Sorry for the confusion - I thought it was nationwide.
My bad, it seems to vary by state. In CA, it is illegal - apparently, some people might apparently feel intimidated by having to present identification to prove who they are, so they can't ask for it.
This is a terrible idea, for the same reason the Motor Voter Bill was. Get a bunch of people registered who were otherwise too lazy to do so, when it's illegal to ask for ID at the polls, and not even required for absentee ballots? Great. Just what we need. More ballots floating around for people who can't be bothered to sign up to vote. I'm sure they'll keep track of their ballots and not let other people steal them because they might WIN FREE STUFF.
Vote early, vote often.
What exactly am I wrong about? We had cable before they had any sort of broadband at any reasonable cost. We even had dial up access before most countries. The rate of adoption has nothing to do with who had what and when.
The rate of adoption difference (which I didn't argue with) is also exaggerated because we had cable very early on before most people were tech savvy enough to care about a fat pipe. By the time it was "cool," we'd had it for years, and they just barely gotten it installed. Theirs is also newer tech, and not surprisingly, faster. They were behind, now they're ahead - in both tech and adoption. That's called leapfrogging.
Coincidentally, I just got back from South Korea a few weeks ago. The density of population there cannot be overstated. 25M of the country's 45M live in the Seoul metropolitan area.
...would be that we had far more broadband years before most (all?) of these other countries, and the ISP portion was even built without the luxury of huge government subsidies. These other countries finally decided to invest in some broadband technology a few years ago, and the years-newer installation is faster. Duh.
Ours will need to be upgraded at some point - and it will - and the leapfrogging will continue. We're also probably not going to see an incremental 2x or 4x improvement to keep up with the Joneses, but a 10x leap - but it probably won't happen for a few years.
I wonder if their news services will publish "OMG! We aer teh technakal bak watar!11!" articles, or if they had done so several years ago when the US was pretty much the only place you could get affordable broadband for personal use?
I don't think anyone was blaming the hardware.
Wow, this is a first for me. See any of my other comments regarding issues I've had with Linux - it's the first thing people suspect, then when I report that it works fine in Windows and didn't work fine in multiple Linux setups, then they call me a liar and blame the hardware again. Or me, because, you know, when I clicked 'install now,' and it detected my SBLive! and installed the fucked up drivers, I did something wrong.
I quit using Linux. Problem solved.
It makes me boggle too - as with the previous article, it's 2004, and sound cards are still a sizable issue. FC2 actually worked for me right away, too - I don't recall what the last RH version that did.
True, but the gripe as stated in the story summary is often that the hardware vendors haven't released drivers or specs, and that isn't always the reason the parts don't work. Creative released open source drivers, and while it certainly has (from time to time) worked, and works fine out of the box for *some* people, it has consistently been an issue for me and several other people. Mine was PCI, and I tried it (several SB Lives through work and home) with several mobos, and hardly ever had a good configuration out of the box. Sometimes I got it working, but a lot of the time, I just gave up, and waited for the next release or another distro to hopefully fix the problem.
The typical caveats: I've always used good quality hardware, I've tried Intel/AMD and several mobos, almost always the same result: no/bad sound. I can't seem to ever convince a lot of people here that the issue is real, and they instead attack me or blame the hardware, which (yikes!) works fine in Windows. As evidenced by the Achilles Heel articles and replies from other people, I'm not alone.
It would also probably be easier to convince manufacturers to release more information if they knew it would be well cared for and not make them look dumb, since a lot of people aren't going to understand why a card doesn't work and just return it to the store saying it's broken. The SBLive! driver sets a bad precedent for this.
...of hardware that has released open source drivers several years ago and *still* doesn't work reliably in Linux. Take the Soundblaster, for example - a very common item, that still doesn't work a lot of the time, across multiple (all major ones, certainly) distributions. I duplicated this time and time again with my Soundblaster Live! card. IIRC, Fedora Core 2 and Mandrake 10 Official finally started working again, but I gave up on them after the myriad of other problems I had (none of which were driver-related). See the Linux's Achilles Heel article and the follow up.
Since the problem is not stability of the OS, but the vendor not verifying patches to work with the application, you have solved nothing.
You think GE Medical Systems, Philips Medical Systems and Agfa are suddenly going to test the shit out of Linux patches (which are just as plentiful) because....?
I'm sure all the IT directors are ready to take the patients' lives in their own hands and do some kernel hacking and beta testing on site, though.
nVidia's always done a good job there in my experience. I just find it tiresome to hear about how the manufacturers are at fault, and when they not only release drivers but open source drivers for a very common device such as a SoundBlaster card, the drivers still don't work with any regularity. Across multiple installs. Multiple machines.
The problem isn't the manufacturers.
What else is there for it to do? Get it to work right, maybe? The SB Live drivers are not great. At all, even the ALSA version.
The whole gist of the article is that SB drivers don't work very well (not at all for the author through many distros). I have had the same experience - open source drivers, and they don't work, and all I hear are complaints that the manufacturers won't release specs, yadda yadda. What more could you ask for in this case? Developers still dropped the ball.
That's why I gave up on Linux after 5 or more years of this. Too much hassle, not enough stuff that works. SBLive! drivers don't work right a lot of the time (almost never for me, several sets of hardware, several distros), in addition to all sorts of other annoyances.
How about starting with the SoundBlaster soundcard? It has full open source drivers from the manufacturer (at least for the SBLive!), and support is flaky at best. If the Linux community doesn't take the ball and run with it, hardware manufacturers will have no incentive to support anything.
I keep hearing that all that is needed is support from the manufacturers, but that isn't apparently enough. Not even open source drivers FROM the manufacturer are enough, at least in the case of a simple sound card, which is incredibly common and not right off the manufacturing line or so old you can't get them any more.
See here and here for more info, and don't forget to call me a liar and a troll for good measure, and don't address the problem.
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Isn't that a specific model of pillow at Ikea? :)
IT'S NOT HARDWARE ISSUES, unless Windows somehow has added some hardware error correction code that Linux lacks. Same hardware, almost never crashes in Windows, crashes more often in Linux....Hmmm.....
/var/logs? Yeah, that would have been my first choice, but getting help from elitist condescending assholes on how to interperet the data and fix these issues after spending hours and days fucking with it, vs. rebooting into Windows and not having to deal with any of this crap? Tough choice.
No I WOULDN'T know how to find the kernel panic log because I'm not a Linux expert. As I explained, I keep trying it, and I've gotten fairly good at navigating all the myriad of problems getting it installed, but when it keeps crashing despite all the efforts, I usually just 'shrug and reboot' and wait until the next distro release to see if any of these issues have been fixed.
This has happened on several boxes, as I've mentioned, all running XP quite stably. One I just finally broke down and installed some patches and rebooted after 45 days - it's been up for longer before. No, I don't give a shit if someone had their Linux box up for 46 days, I only bring this up because it's clearly stable, and somehow weathers these alleged "hardware issues" without crashing.
The reaction I get when I try to get help is much the same as it is here when I point out shortcomings, so I think I'm done with Linux for a while. Thanks for the extra little push, guys. Oh yeah, about 1/3 of the time lilo just ignores my keyboard (like this morning), and boots to the default setting. Fortunately for me, it's Windows.
Proof? Sorry, hasn't panicked today so far. I know, I should really be shocked.
I call "asshole" on you and the rest of the detractors who with zero proof call me a liar. Fuck you. Fuck Linux. Fuck the Linux zealots who can't understand that it isn't perfect.
Default settings, quality hardware (no not a fucking laptop) and Linux has over 10x the crash/freeze/panic rate that Windows does, at least for me. Silly me, I just install the default settings and don't screw with it, and of course it doesn't work, I didn't enter the secret code!
Just for next time (even though, after repeated frustrating fuckwits like yourself insulting me rather than helping me) just in case I do actually reboot into Linux again, to enjoy the non-productivity, how do I save my crash information so that I can shove it down your throat, you smug arrogant prick?
The only time I've gotten any use out of Linux is when I reformat the WHOLE drive to NTFS and recover that useless 5G I always set aside for getting frustrated and getting called a liar for it not working perfectly.
Nope. Tried it. Didn't work. Thanks, though.