so why is it better for the sender of 30% of the internet's traffic to send their traffic through a third party network rather than directly to customers?
L3 and Cogent have done plenty of shady things in the past when they had the upper hand in the business. now they don't and are crying network neutrality
drpeering.net says $2.50 per megabit for small companies, less than a $1 for big ones like google and apple so netflix is getting a huge deal
there are dozens of content streaming companies out there. if comcast picks a fight they will have a lot of others against them. even then a strong streaming market is in their best interests because they pay a lot of money for their pay TV customers and want to decrease that
Netflix even said Comcast is charging them very little for the connections and its not material to earnings. i've seen estimates of $.30 to $.50 per megabit per second which is A LOT less than standard transit prices and an estimate that the netflix will pay $18 million per year for this. out of almost $5 billion in revenues this year and a current tech budget which includes transit of over $100 million
this is another blogger crisis. they scream for better internet speeds and when a deal to enable this finally happens they scream fraud and extortion
all you have to do is get off wifi and get your modem switched out to a DOCISS 3 modem
i'm in a city and being on wifi is a path to shitty internet with 20 people around me streaming netflix at the same time. went to ethernet and everything works with no more disconnects
while true, L3 and Cogent both knew the maximum bandwidth of their settlement free peering connections and still took on the netflix business. against their existing contacts. if they didn't have the ability to deliver the traffic they should have bought the special ports on the ISP's side like they were supposed to
back in the day they would make you pay up if you sent too much traffic to them against the settlement agreement
yes, long line of businesses out there willing to spend thousands of $$$ per customer to run fiber in places where there already is a network run just to capture at best a 50% ratio of a $50 per month revenue business
and now verizon and comcast are going to take a lot of Level 3's business along with Cogent's because they refused to upgrade their part of the network and ran to the blogs
they are losing the blogging war but not the money war netflix is peering with comcast and verizon google is peering with ISP's figure the ISP's will start to peer with other content providers as well
the point is that comcast is doing this not to kill netflix, but to kill L3 and Cogent to grab their business. comcast and verizon want the transit business as well. ISP's used to do hosting until amazon took it away. taking the transit business is a way to get hosting back as well
so? netflix is now sending directly to comcast and verizon and that's a huge piece of revenue lost for L3 and Cogent figure MLB, NBA, NHL and other big video providers will jump ship as well if they get cheaper rates from verizon and comcast
why? there are dozens of streaming services out there that compete with pay TV and the ISP's all give them access to their network and data centers via third party CDN's at reasonable prices
the largest senders of data on the internet, netflix and google already peer with the largest ISP's. if L3 de-peered from them what is that going to do?
take over their business? 20 years ago we had dozens of small ISP's and large backbone networks were needed to connect them today we have a few huge ISP's. two of them are national wireless carriers with huge fiber backbone networks of their own to every corner of the USA. one of them is about to be a national network once they buy a competitor
5 years ago netflix had to peer with third party peering companies to distribute content. now Comcast and Verizon are connecting directly to Netflix at cheaper rates than L3 and Cogent and taking away their business. figure all big senders of data to follow soon
Level 3 has been awesome, but the ISP's now have national footprints and transit prices are dropping fast. Verizon and AT&T have it because of the wireless business. Comcast will be a national network once they buy time warner.
figure that as transit prices drop L3 and Cogent have to carry more and more data to pay the bills but they don't have enough money left to upgrade the links and want the ISP's to upgrade them. maybe the ISP's are being dicks and trying to run L3 and Cogent out of business by denying them more links and then taking their business like what happened with netflix
at this level there is no more need of transit providers as more and more content sellers will connect directly to the ISP's. so L3 and Cogent are crying network neutrality to save their business
how did the bully them? every one except for netflix paid for CDN's or for transit providers other than cogent. MLB and NBA use Level 3 to stream games and i've never heard complaints about those.
there are lots of streaming services who compete with pay TV and they run their business to provide good service. netflix is wants free internet access to get a competitive edge
just look at the NYC subway, takes them decades to meet increases in demand in parts of the system same with electric and water. no one upgrades until they have a few years of increased demand and then it takes years of higher rates and blackouts until the system is updated
google it chase closed a few accounts the porn people went on twitter and a lot of their friends closed their chase accounts in protest in reality it was a few accounts
thousands? are all of their accounts being closed? there are probably hundreds of porn stars at any time being that they go through girls like baseballs at a game. plus all the people behind the scenes. is there suddenly a stop to all porn production? because that's what would happen if people can't get paid or companies lose access to banking
you're an idiot. content providers PAYING FOR THEIR DATA has been around for many years. this is how the internet works. CDN's have been sending content for almost 20 years.
netflix is only changing WHO THEY PAY. instead of Level 3 or Cogent it's directly to ISP's since a few now have huge coast to coast backbones.
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so why is it better for the sender of 30% of the internet's traffic to send their traffic through a third party network rather than directly to customers?
L3 and Cogent have done plenty of shady things in the past when they had the upper hand in the business. now they don't and are crying network neutrality
drpeering.net says $2.50 per megabit for small companies, less than a $1 for big ones like google and apple so netflix is getting a huge deal
there are dozens of content streaming companies out there. if comcast picks a fight they will have a lot of others against them. even then a strong streaming market is in their best interests because they pay a lot of money for their pay TV customers and want to decrease that
Netflix even said Comcast is charging them very little for the connections and its not material to earnings.
i've seen estimates of $.30 to $.50 per megabit per second which is A LOT less than standard transit prices and an estimate that the netflix will pay $18 million per year for this. out of almost $5 billion in revenues this year and a current tech budget which includes transit of over $100 million
this is another blogger crisis. they scream for better internet speeds and when a deal to enable this finally happens they scream fraud and extortion
Edward Snowden fled there to escape US tyranny
all you have to do is get off wifi and get your modem switched out to a DOCISS 3 modem
i'm in a city and being on wifi is a path to shitty internet with 20 people around me streaming netflix at the same time. went to ethernet and everything works with no more disconnects
while true, L3 and Cogent both knew the maximum bandwidth of their settlement free peering connections and still took on the netflix business. against their existing contacts. if they didn't have the ability to deliver the traffic they should have bought the special ports on the ISP's side like they were supposed to
back in the day they would make you pay up if you sent too much traffic to them against the settlement agreement
yes, long line of businesses out there willing to spend thousands of $$$ per customer to run fiber in places where there already is a network run just to capture at best a 50% ratio of a $50 per month revenue business
and now verizon and comcast are going to take a lot of Level 3's business along with Cogent's because they refused to upgrade their part of the network and ran to the blogs
they are losing the blogging war but not the money war
netflix is peering with comcast and verizon
google is peering with ISP's
figure the ISP's will start to peer with other content providers as well
and how hard would it be to peer directly with verizon or comcast if they started to allow it? like they did with netflix?
the point is that comcast is doing this not to kill netflix, but to kill L3 and Cogent to grab their business.
comcast and verizon want the transit business as well. ISP's used to do hosting until amazon took it away. taking the transit business is a way to get hosting back as well
so?
netflix is now sending directly to comcast and verizon and that's a huge piece of revenue lost for L3 and Cogent
figure MLB, NBA, NHL and other big video providers will jump ship as well if they get cheaper rates from verizon and comcast
why? there are dozens of streaming services out there that compete with pay TV and the ISP's all give them access to their network and data centers via third party CDN's at reasonable prices
the largest senders of data on the internet, netflix and google already peer with the largest ISP's. if L3 de-peered from them what is that going to do?
take over their business?
20 years ago we had dozens of small ISP's and large backbone networks were needed to connect them
today we have a few huge ISP's. two of them are national wireless carriers with huge fiber backbone networks of their own to every corner of the USA. one of them is about to be a national network once they buy a competitor
5 years ago netflix had to peer with third party peering companies to distribute content. now Comcast and Verizon are connecting directly to Netflix at cheaper rates than L3 and Cogent and taking away their business. figure all big senders of data to follow soon
Level 3 has been awesome, but the ISP's now have national footprints and transit prices are dropping fast. Verizon and AT&T have it because of the wireless business. Comcast will be a national network once they buy time warner.
figure that as transit prices drop L3 and Cogent have to carry more and more data to pay the bills but they don't have enough money left to upgrade the links and want the ISP's to upgrade them. maybe the ISP's are being dicks and trying to run L3 and Cogent out of business by denying them more links and then taking their business like what happened with netflix
at this level there is no more need of transit providers as more and more content sellers will connect directly to the ISP's. so L3 and Cogent are crying network neutrality to save their business
there are lots of streaming services with no relation to an ISP that work just fine
the others pay for CDN access for better performance
netflix paid for access and were oversold by cogent as well
they all said they had no problem with netflix on other CDN's
netflix refuses to pay any money to ISP's to host their CDN, unlike other CDN's
they are trying to get a better deal than their competition
how did the bully them?
every one except for netflix paid for CDN's or for transit providers other than cogent. MLB and NBA use Level 3 to stream games and i've never heard complaints about those.
there are lots of streaming services who compete with pay TV and they run their business to provide good service. netflix is wants free internet access to get a competitive edge
just look at the NYC subway, takes them decades to meet increases in demand in parts of the system
same with electric and water. no one upgrades until they have a few years of increased demand and then it takes years of higher rates and blackouts until the system is updated
how is that?
there are dozens of streaming services in the USA and they all worked fine the last 6 months, except for netflix
maybe for you, but for a lot of people you have to pay them more to live in a place with no Starbucks, no Whole Foods Market, no sushi, no thai food
and generally any place where the only kinds of restaurants are american food
google it
chase closed a few accounts
the porn people went on twitter and a lot of their friends closed their chase accounts in protest
in reality it was a few accounts
thousands? are all of their accounts being closed?
there are probably hundreds of porn stars at any time being that they go through girls like baseballs at a game. plus all the people behind the scenes.
is there suddenly a stop to all porn production? because that's what would happen if people can't get paid or companies lose access to banking
you're an idiot. content providers PAYING FOR THEIR DATA has been around for many years. this is how the internet works. CDN's have been sending content for almost 20 years.
netflix is only changing WHO THEY PAY. instead of Level 3 or Cogent it's directly to ISP's since a few now have huge coast to coast backbones.