i've had internet for over 10 years and never had my service degraded. the only time it sucked was when wifi became popular and i had to go back to ethernet cable. youtube was a little slow after it became popular. after a year or so ISP's upgraded, google made up caching servers and it became better. same here. you have to wait. internet and TCP/IP is a shared medium and big demands in data like this means you have to wait. netflix should have never cancelled their CDN contract
netflix used to pay for so called fast lanes, like CDN's. they stopped paying and problems started. if they want to retain customers they will pay up. contrary to most cord cutters dreams, netflix is a secondary service for most people. people will cancel it and just watch cable TV on demand for cartoons which is getting better all the time. and lots of cable sub services like disney streaming are popping up as well. so there are netflix alternatives
yeah, but it should also be on netflix on then to send their data in a more efficient manner and pay for this if needed. netflix used to pay limelight for CDN until last year
those of us who don't care about netflix that much should not pay higher ISP bills for a small group of people who demand this service
if you think the government owning the fiber will mean instant upgrades next time netflix decides to double their network traffic to upgrade to 4K or 8K or whatever, you're an idiot
because this is what happened. netflix changed their networking topology, killed their CDN contract and doubled their data. since no one can upgrade their network that fast, a few whiny cord cutters are now ranting mad
hey stupid, cogent is not a CDN. they are a tier 1 network they have a huge national fiber backbone with end points in a lot of locations where you can peer with them to upload your data to send to ISP's with smaller network foot prints. that's the whole point of tier 1, most ISP's are still somewhat regional networks and if you're netflix you can't peer with them unless you have a presence in the same facility.
a CDN company has a server inside the ISP's networks with a lot of storage to hold content and media. like when i stream my itunes the data comes from inside time warner's network from an akamai server so a 5GB movie doesn't have to travel a thousand miles and compete with other traffic. or if you watch game of thrones via HBO go, the content is on a limelight server inside your ISP
CDN's and direct peering have been around for many years. networking best practices say to make as direct a path with less hops as possible.
and yet a few bloggers decided the internet needs to work the opposite way, with large content providers sending their content on longer routes through different networks just to comply with someone's idea of a fair internet
the slow lanes are a made up of a small minority of people who cut out cable TV and demand netflix to be crystal clear most cable companies can't even send regular TV in full HD on every channel. even in NYC full HD is only on a few channels. some supposedly HD channels look worse than SD
most people like me don't care. cartoons look fine on netflix and that's good enough for me. i'll take the current cheap service over a more expensive guaranteed speed that a minority demand. ISP's need to make a higher paid tier since only business accounts get guaranteed speed. the people ranting about this on the internet want the same thing as current cable TV super bundles instead in a different form. they want someone else to pay for their top tier service
i'm not going to put a laptop on the kitchen counter or my wife's legs to watch TV while i load the dish washer or make some food or sit with her on the couch
if i want a break i can have my kids play the xbox or stream netflix on the TV and i'll watch HBO Go or baseball on the ipad in the kitchen.
my oldest kid is getting into flight sims and drive/parking games A LOT of flight sims on ipad along with drive parking games. the controls mostly suck but he likes them. the flight sims you can tilt the ipad to control the plane
depends on the games you like but there is more to gaming than FPS and console crap. if you want a running game then there is temple run. he also played jetpack joyride for endless scroller
well it's not DOA for people who spend time away from a traditional computer. i have an ipad 2 and 4
my kids play games on it remote control for apple TV, roku, xbox and other devices i stream live TV via the time warner cable app and netflix and HBO Go. I can watch Got in the kitchen away from my kids. i can sit with my wife while she watches american idol on the TV, i'll watch a game on the ipad i can read a book on it Google docs and Pages i can finally finish that novel i started writing. anywhere i can order airline tickets and check into my flight on the couch dozen other uses that have nothing to do with file systems or geeky stuff
my weekly backups at work are in the 5-6 TB range per week. we have LTO-4 in a 96 slot tape robot with 3 drives
185TB per tape means i can have most of my tapes last all year and just switch one out monthly to send offsite. or instead of sending monthly backups offsite, i can fill the tape with weekly backups and send the same one tape offsite but with 10 times the data
i wouldn't have bought my Note 3 if i had to pay $800 and a high monthly price i call, text, read the news and some books a cheapo phone to text and a kindle or wifi only ipad would be more than enough for me
cellular data is a luxury for most people and not really needed to go about their daily life
yeah, but looking at netflix's financials they pay so little for networking services compared to their other expenses it's not even a rounding error for AT&T and Verizon. and word is comcast gave netflix a cheaper rate than cogent so it's not like they are tolling anyone to make a lot of money. figure comcast collect a few million of $$$ from netflix per year
this was more about not backing down and forcing netflix to be a good corporate citizen
yeah, verizon spent over $100 billion to deploy FIOS and run fiber backbones to their cell towers. all the money was paid by issuing debt. your monthly price has to reflect the cost of paying it off along with paying interest on it
and they still have to send broadcast TV through their network which limits the speed of the internet. cord cutters are still around 5% of the total market
we had a huge consolidation of content over the last few decades into cable TV now we are going to get a cycle of degragmentation which means everyone selling a box and having exclusive content
in a few years we will have another consolidation cycle because most people aren't dumb enough to buy a dozen boxes just to get every show same with computing and the internet in general over the last 50 years. in 10 years watch for the cloud to break up into a sunny day of defragmentation again as people get tired of slow oversubscribed servers
NYC is fairly fast. time warner's slow speeds are 15/1. FIOS is 15/5 time warner is upgrading their network here and my 15/1 will go up to 50/5 some time this year with no extra cost
the low average speed is people out in rural areas who can't get high speeds. they move out there and then complain why no one wants to spend $50,000 to run fiber to their home for $50 a month in revenue
yeah, cogent agreed to deliver a lot of data from netflix knowing they didn't have the bandwidth on the ISP sides of their networks to actually deliver it and if you read the news last year, they refused to upgrade those connections and cried network neutrality
if you sell so much content like netflix does it only makes sense to connect directly to ISP's instead of having your content fight for space with all the other content on the tier 1 networks and netflix had no business pushing out super hd if cogent or any other partner couldn't deliver it
usually one cable company is in a given market a lot of times due to expansion in the 90's some companies will have a town or part of a town where another company owns most of that general area
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i've had internet for over 10 years and never had my service degraded. the only time it sucked was when wifi became popular and i had to go back to ethernet cable.
youtube was a little slow after it became popular. after a year or so ISP's upgraded, google made up caching servers and it became better. same here. you have to wait. internet and TCP/IP is a shared medium and big demands in data like this means you have to wait. netflix should have never cancelled their CDN contract
netflix used to pay for so called fast lanes, like CDN's. they stopped paying and problems started. if they want to retain customers they will pay up.
contrary to most cord cutters dreams, netflix is a secondary service for most people. people will cancel it and just watch cable TV on demand for cartoons which is getting better all the time. and lots of cable sub services like disney streaming are popping up as well. so there are netflix alternatives
yeah, but it should also be on netflix on then to send their data in a more efficient manner and pay for this if needed. netflix used to pay limelight for CDN until last year
those of us who don't care about netflix that much should not pay higher ISP bills for a small group of people who demand this service
if you think the government owning the fiber will mean instant upgrades next time netflix decides to double their network traffic to upgrade to 4K or 8K or whatever, you're an idiot
because this is what happened. netflix changed their networking topology, killed their CDN contract and doubled their data. since no one can upgrade their network that fast, a few whiny cord cutters are now ranting mad
hey stupid, cogent is not a CDN. they are a tier 1 network
they have a huge national fiber backbone with end points in a lot of locations where you can peer with them to upload your data to send to ISP's with smaller network foot prints. that's the whole point of tier 1, most ISP's are still somewhat regional networks and if you're netflix you can't peer with them unless you have a presence in the same facility.
a CDN company has a server inside the ISP's networks with a lot of storage to hold content and media. like when i stream my itunes the data comes from inside time warner's network from an akamai server so a 5GB movie doesn't have to travel a thousand miles and compete with other traffic. or if you watch game of thrones via HBO go, the content is on a limelight server inside your ISP
CDN's and direct peering have been around for many years. networking best practices say to make as direct a path with less hops as possible.
and yet a few bloggers decided the internet needs to work the opposite way, with large content providers sending their content on longer routes through different networks just to comply with someone's idea of a fair internet
the slow lanes are a made up of a small minority of people who cut out cable TV and demand netflix to be crystal clear
most cable companies can't even send regular TV in full HD on every channel. even in NYC full HD is only on a few channels. some supposedly HD channels look worse than SD
most people like me don't care. cartoons look fine on netflix and that's good enough for me.
i'll take the current cheap service over a more expensive guaranteed speed that a minority demand. ISP's need to make a higher paid tier since only business accounts get guaranteed speed. the people ranting about this on the internet want the same thing as current cable TV super bundles instead in a different form. they want someone else to pay for their top tier service
i'm not going to put a laptop on the kitchen counter or my wife's legs to watch TV while i load the dish washer or make some food or sit with her on the couch
if i want a break i can have my kids play the xbox or stream netflix on the TV and i'll watch HBO Go or baseball on the ipad in the kitchen.
my oldest kid is getting into flight sims and drive/parking games
A LOT of flight sims on ipad along with drive parking games. the controls mostly suck but he likes them. the flight sims you can tilt the ipad to control the plane
depends on the games you like but there is more to gaming than FPS and console crap. if you want a running game then there is temple run. he also played jetpack joyride for endless scroller
well it's not DOA for people who spend time away from a traditional computer. i have an ipad 2 and 4
my kids play games on it
remote control for apple TV, roku, xbox and other devices
i stream live TV via the time warner cable app and netflix and HBO Go. I can watch Got in the kitchen away from my kids. i can sit with my wife while she watches american idol on the TV, i'll watch a game on the ipad
i can read a book on it
Google docs and Pages i can finally finish that novel i started writing. anywhere
i can order airline tickets and check into my flight on the couch
dozen other uses that have nothing to do with file systems or geeky stuff
yep
i can stream live TV and read books on my ipad 2 just fine even with the glass cracked
my weekly backups at work are in the 5-6 TB range per week. we have LTO-4 in a 96 slot tape robot with 3 drives
185TB per tape means i can have most of my tapes last all year and just switch one out monthly to send offsite. or instead of sending monthly backups offsite, i can fill the tape with weekly backups and send the same one tape offsite but with 10 times the data
i wouldn't have bought my Note 3 if i had to pay $800 and a high monthly price
i call, text, read the news and some books
a cheapo phone to text and a kindle or wifi only ipad would be more than enough for me
cellular data is a luxury for most people and not really needed to go about their daily life
i think mine are wusthof. there were $500
and they are falling apart in the dishwasher
yeah, but looking at netflix's financials they pay so little for networking services compared to their other expenses it's not even a rounding error for AT&T and Verizon. and word is comcast gave netflix a cheaper rate than cogent so it's not like they are tolling anyone to make a lot of money. figure comcast collect a few million of $$$ from netflix per year
this was more about not backing down and forcing netflix to be a good corporate citizen
yeah, verizon spent over $100 billion to deploy FIOS and run fiber backbones to their cell towers. all the money was paid by issuing debt.
your monthly price has to reflect the cost of paying it off along with paying interest on it
and they still have to send broadcast TV through their network which limits the speed of the internet. cord cutters are still around 5% of the total market
we had a huge consolidation of content over the last few decades into cable TV
now we are going to get a cycle of degragmentation which means everyone selling a box and having exclusive content
in a few years we will have another consolidation cycle because most people aren't dumb enough to buy a dozen boxes just to get every show
same with computing and the internet in general over the last 50 years. in 10 years watch for the cloud to break up into a sunny day of defragmentation again as people get tired of slow oversubscribed servers
NYC is fairly fast. time warner's slow speeds are 15/1. FIOS is 15/5
time warner is upgrading their network here and my 15/1 will go up to 50/5 some time this year with no extra cost
the low average speed is people out in rural areas who can't get high speeds. they move out there and then complain why no one wants to spend $50,000 to run fiber to their home for $50 a month in revenue
yeah, cogent agreed to deliver a lot of data from netflix knowing they didn't have the bandwidth on the ISP sides of their networks to actually deliver it
and if you read the news last year, they refused to upgrade those connections and cried network neutrality
if you sell so much content like netflix does it only makes sense to connect directly to ISP's instead of having your content fight for space with all the other content on the tier 1 networks
and netflix had no business pushing out super hd if cogent or any other partner couldn't deliver it
when i watch netflix, i want my streams crossing every tier 1 network there is. i even do automated traceroutes while i watch a show.
a 2 or 3 hop traceroute? that's like a porn trailer without a money shot
your country is about the size of a neighborhood in NYC
south korea is the size of a small state in the USA
in the army we used to laugh at people who complained of not feeling well or pain
"my pu55y hurts"
to be fair, anything before Windows 95/NT4 was such crap you had to change API's to make the OS somewhat useful
usually one cable company is in a given market a lot of times due to expansion in the 90's some companies will have a town or part of a town where another company owns most of that general area
yeah, and then you spend all your money on 2 cars, gas and whatever else instead of rent or mortgage and property taxes