Oh please, copying Cd's or sampling music for free from Napster is not stealing. It if anything increases sales of music because MP3's sound like crap compared to CD's or even vinyl for that matter.
If I hear an MP3 I like I buy the music at the store.
I spent nearly 200 to 300 $ a month on new music. These greedy fools in the RIAA, The MPAA and the SBA
are shooting themselves in the foot. BTW I am also a musician so I don't buy their stupid arguments that music is only made for a profit.
Just because you do what you do with Mp3's it doesn't mean everyone does. The only way to empirically prove your anectdote would be to do a survey and some research on significant sample of people who use p2p. For everyone of you there are probably 10 people who download an mp3 from napster or gnutella, like the music and go buy the whole CD.
But Mcdonald's is trademarking idioms and phrases.
Maybe the English speaking people of the world can sue Mcdonald's for attemtping to control the literary commons?
"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words."
-Philip K. Dick (1928-1982)
The submitter's intro is full of misinformation and half cocked conclusions. The Maori are not suing Lego. They are CONSIDERING a suit against Lego.
The basis of the suit is somewaht understandable it is not in my opinoion- ridiculous. Lego is copyrighting and trademarking the Maori's words like McDonalds is doing to the english language.
If lego uses and copyrights their words then there is an even greater possibility that Lego will sue the Maori for using their words freely since large corporations are more litigous then any tribe or indigenous people have ever been.
Also if the you are considering this suit without the legal document of the Hague convention ratified it has very little to do with the Hague Convention however odious the Hague Convention may be.
"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words."
-Philip K. Dick (1928-1982)
Before a court ruling in 1876 that gave corporations the right of naturalized persons under the 14th amendment, all corporate charters were subject to revocation and they were only meant to last for the duration of their narrowly defined stated purpose and mission. If a company violated
1) Their purpose or mission
or
2) Violated their charter
They were subject to the revocation of their charter.
This is still possible in this day and age but many large corporations have been attempting to get laws passed that prevent the revocation of charters or that strike the laws for revocation of charters from the books.
Charters are and were meant to limit FINANCIAL risk not as a mask for illegal practices. They were originally social intruments meant to be used for the undertaking of large projects fundamentally for the good of the people.
It is my belief that many corporations are or have taken the priviledge of their charters well beyond their intended purpose. In other words corporations are a priviledge but not a right and as such they should be treated that way.
One example of how this priviledge has been abused is Union Carbide complicity in the Bhopal incident.
Of course there are thousands of examples on a lesser and greater scale than this one. All the way from the cartels represented by the RIAA and the MPAA,
to the atrocities in Burma.
The Program on Corporations Law and Democracy has a large array of articles on Corporate charters their history in the United states and the power that citizens have to retain their authority as sovereign agents over corporations.
As a side note also read this
and start thinking about the role of banks.
I hope we shall take warning from the example and crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
(Letter to Logan, 1816). THOMAS JEFFERSON ON DEMOCRACY 138 (S. Padover Ed. 1953).
it's very convenient to invoke an abstract concept like the IP of other countries and companies when they are not around to speak for themselves to pimp your products like Microsoft.
The point is these scientists shared their findings freely without the expectation of being rewarded. Same as open source. If you can't infer the connections maybe you need to take a class in critical thinking.
I agree
If you are going to show up. Infilterate don't separate yourself from those attending.
Don't make a scene
Wear a suit and tie or nice clothes, ask questions that are well thought out (MAybe bring a cue card). Stay calm put yourself in their shoes and bust MS's the arguments from the inside out.
When in Rome do as the Romans do.
Save the street actions for other situations.
Every day it gets worse. I mean scientists not being able to express their research.
Independent sources of media facing intimidation.
I know this is may not be completely relevant bto the story above but it relates to all of our rights concerning freedom of speech . Basically a gag order has been placed on Indymedia by some law enforcement agency. The EFF has taken an interest in the case. It's basically like the NYT getting investigated by the government and not being able to publish anything about about it.
The story about it is at Wired.
It looks like our right to publish and speak freely are getting more and more limited by the day.
I am getting very tired of corporate consortiums and the government consistantly working to limit our ability to express ideas.
This point in history is very important if you believe in freedom. I encourage everyone to do whatever is in their power to fight censorship and
the limitation of the expression of ideas no matter what form the ideas take.
You expect me to take you seriously?
Spooging, Cum-Wanker, please. BTW no one asked you to participate so you can leave yourself out of being led into the "depths of bullshit". If you did even cursory research you would note that the report on the raid was reported in the Seattle Post intelligencer ntot by Indymedia .
I am curious what do you think about the federal mandate requiring all cell phones to have a GPS?
That piece of info reported by Fox News no less not exactly the paragon of anarchism .
For that matter Mr spooge, maybe we can put a chip in the back of your head Mr. "Spooging Cum Wanker" and force you to clean up your horrible language and learn some manners.
.
WTF? I am just stating the facts. If I can't say 2+2 is 4 I am not free. Sorry to see someone with such an extensive vocab doesn't like the truth being shared.
The Indymedia center in Seattle was raided by the FBI. Not only that but the federal government has required that all phones have a tracking device by 2005
We should not support a government that hacks into the citizens of other countries computers.
It is only matter of time before they do it to us.
If they haven't already started.
Welcome to the corporate police state.
Who cares who started it, both paries have supported it throughout the years.
Do you think GWB is going to end it? If you think that he is, you are seriously delusional.
It really isn't an issue based on the liberal/conservative, left/right, republican/democrat dichotomy. The issue really is those who wish to control the behavior and dictate the moral's of others vs. those who love freedom and cherish the responsibility that accompanies liberty.
Hopefully we will win. ( Lovers of freedom that is)
The liberal/conservative dichotomy is just a distraction.
I have known hundreds of people who have taken ecstacy and they have not gone through the "cycle" you describe. I am not promoting E here I am just pointing out the misinformation your view propegates. As far as I know there is NO scientific proof for your claim, and my personal experience directly contradicts yours.
So who is right?
So, I say tough shit to you buddy, because there is very little evidence supporting your contetion other then a few of your personal experiences.
I think your overeacting to a bad experience and trying to moralize for everyone else.
From the list of side effects and warnings for Ritalin
STIMULANT ANTIDEPRESSANT DRUGS
Depression may also be treated with drugs called psychostimulants. Use of such drugs is reserved for only two situations: (1) patients who have failed to respond to at least two other antidepressants and psychotherapy and who are seriously depressed, and (2) patients with serious and usually terminal medical illnesses such as cancer or AIDS who are depressed and too sick to take other kinds of antidepressants.
The reason for these restrictions is that the stimulant drugs are addictive. They include amphetamines, sometimes called "speed" or "uppers," methylphenidate (Ritalin), and pemoline (Cylert). The drugs produce a short-term mood elevation even in people who are not depressed. College students take them to stay awake all night and finish term papers.
So why is Ritalin legal while marijuana isn't?
The hypocrisy of our nation's drug laws are nothing short of absurd.
Geez,guy jsut litle reactioanry aren't you? It sounds like you took this speech straight from the former drug Czar Barry McCafrey.
Anyway, have you ever thought about why they call the Drug czar the Drug czar? Czar makes it sound like we are in a totalitarian state, hmm.., maybe we are...
Ecstacy is not addictive. As for the additives you mention, the quality of the drug would be regulated if it were legal. Also your experence is not the end all and be all of the matter.
What you are saying about E, is like saying that all pizza causes sickness because pizza caused sickness in YOU several times.
Another observation. I am not personally against the ads I actually think that it was a good idea and I think they are cool. But, If the proverbial "little guy" was caught doing this on the sidewalks in S.F. they would be arrested, fined and charged with a crime.
So that blows your whole stupid argument. Just for good measure- how about I come to your neighborhood and spray paint on your sidewalks?
Nevermind the fact that if the big companies pull all of the tech shops out of the area, SF would be bankrupt in less than a year. Punish the producers.
Gee exagerating a little huh? As if San Francisico's economy depends completely on big tech companies. The fact is that S.F.'s economy relies heavily on tourism and trade not just big technology companies. So if all of the large tech firms pulled out, San Francisco would do just fine, after all it is one of the most beautiful cities in the U.S.
As for how some big companies have acted towards S.F lately, check out how they are attempting to ream S.F. with a stupid lawsuit even after the city offered to settle.
Don't get me wrong I am not against technology or tech companies per say, but your appraisal of the situation is just as jilted and biased as you accuse S.F. and the posters to Slashdot as being. Life is not that black and white.
Oh one of noble but misguided intentions.
Before dispensing of wisdom one must learn wisdom.
After slaking thy thirst at the fount of freely available knowledge.
Go forth and
spread thy wisdom and your newly aquired conception of liberty throughout the mind of humanity.
Slashdot Mirror
Oh please, copying Cd's or sampling music for free from Napster is not stealing. It if anything increases sales of music because MP3's sound like crap compared to CD's or even vinyl for that matter.
If I hear an MP3 I like I buy the music at the store.
I spent nearly 200 to 300 $ a month on new music. These greedy fools in the RIAA, The MPAA and the SBA
are shooting themselves in the foot. BTW I am also a musician so I don't buy their stupid arguments that music is only made for a profit.
Just because you do what you do with Mp3's it doesn't mean everyone does. The only way to empirically prove your anectdote would be to do a survey and some research on significant sample of people who use p2p. For everyone of you there are probably 10 people who download an mp3 from napster or gnutella, like the music and go buy the whole CD.
Maybe you will get a clue first?
No it was the other way around. McDonalds sued someone from the MCdonalds clan for ahving a store named McDonalds.
But Mcdonald's is trademarking idioms and phrases. Maybe the English speaking people of the world can sue Mcdonald's for attemtping to control the literary commons?
NO LOGO
"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words." -Philip K. Dick (1928-1982)
The submitter's intro is full of misinformation and half cocked conclusions. The Maori are not suing Lego. They are CONSIDERING a suit against Lego.
The basis of the suit is somewaht understandable it is not in my opinoion- ridiculous. Lego is copyrighting and trademarking the Maori's words like McDonalds is doing to the english language. If lego uses and copyrights their words then there is an even greater possibility that Lego will sue the Maori for using their words freely since large corporations are more litigous then any tribe or indigenous people have ever been.
Also if the you are considering this suit without the legal document of the Hague convention ratified it has very little to do with the Hague Convention however odious the Hague Convention may be.
NO LOGO
"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words." -Philip K. Dick (1928-1982)
Before a court ruling in 1876 that gave corporations the right of naturalized persons under the 14th amendment, all corporate charters were subject to revocation and they were only meant to last for the duration of their narrowly defined stated purpose and mission. If a company violated
1) Their purpose or mission
or
2) Violated their charter They were subject to the revocation of their charter.
This is still possible in this day and age but many large corporations have been attempting to get laws passed that prevent the revocation of charters or that strike the laws for revocation of charters from the books. Charters are and were meant to limit FINANCIAL risk not as a mask for illegal practices. They were originally social intruments meant to be used for the undertaking of large projects fundamentally for the good of the people. It is my belief that many corporations are or have taken the priviledge of their charters well beyond their intended purpose. In other words corporations are a priviledge but not a right and as such they should be treated that way. One example of how this priviledge has been abused is Union Carbide complicity in the Bhopal incident. Of course there are thousands of examples on a lesser and greater scale than this one. All the way from the cartels represented by the RIAA and the MPAA, to the atrocities in Burma.
The Program on Corporations Law and Democracy has a large array of articles on Corporate charters their history in the United states and the power that citizens have to retain their authority as sovereign agents over corporations.
As a side note also read this and start thinking about the role of banks.
I hope we shall take warning from the example and crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
(Letter to Logan, 1816). THOMAS JEFFERSON ON DEMOCRACY 138 (S. Padover Ed. 1953).
NO LOGO
it's very convenient to invoke an abstract concept like the IP of other countries and companies when they are not around to speak for themselves to pimp your products like Microsoft.
The point is these scientists shared their findings freely without the expectation of being rewarded. Same as open source. If you can't infer the connections maybe you need to take a class in critical thinking.
I agree
If you are going to show up. Infilterate don't separate yourself from those attending.
Don't make a scene
Wear a suit and tie or nice clothes, ask questions that are well thought out (MAybe bring a cue card). Stay calm put yourself in their shoes and bust MS's the arguments from the inside out.
When in Rome do as the Romans do.
Save the street actions for other situations.
Every day it gets worse. I mean scientists not being able to express their research. Independent sources of media facing intimidation. I know this is may not be completely relevant bto the story above but it relates to all of our rights concerning freedom of speech . Basically a gag order has been placed on Indymedia by some law enforcement agency. The EFF has taken an interest in the case. It's basically like the NYT getting investigated by the government and not being able to publish anything about about it. The story about it is at Wired. It looks like our right to publish and speak freely are getting more and more limited by the day. I am getting very tired of corporate consortiums and the government consistantly working to limit our ability to express ideas.
This point in history is very important if you believe in freedom. I encourage everyone to do whatever is in their power to fight censorship and the limitation of the expression of ideas no matter what form the ideas take.
Thanks. I know I feel stupid.
Mr Spooge,
Thanks for the lively conversation. I will shut up now.
peace..
You expect me to take you seriously?
Spooging, Cum-Wanker, please. BTW no one asked you to participate so you can leave yourself out of being led into the "depths of bullshit". If you did even cursory research you would note that the report on the raid was reported in the Seattle Post intelligencer ntot by Indymedia .
I am curious what do you think about the federal mandate requiring all cell phones to have a GPS?
That piece of info reported by Fox News no less not exactly the paragon of anarchism .
For that matter Mr spooge, maybe we can put a chip in the back of your head Mr. "Spooging Cum Wanker" and force you to clean up your horrible language and learn some manners.
.
WTF? I am just stating the facts. If I can't say 2+2 is 4 I am not free. Sorry to see someone with such an extensive vocab doesn't like the truth being shared.
The Indymedia center in Seattle was raided by the FBI. Not only that but the federal government has required that all phones have a tracking device by 2005 We should not support a government that hacks into the citizens of other countries computers. It is only matter of time before they do it to us. If they haven't already started. Welcome to the corporate police state.
I have had the fortune of dealing with it. I thought it was funny.
So what is your problem with it?
Who cares who started it, both paries have supported it throughout the years.
Do you think GWB is going to end it? If you think that he is, you are seriously delusional.
It really isn't an issue based on the liberal/conservative, left/right, republican/democrat dichotomy. The issue really is those who wish to control the behavior and dictate the moral's of others vs. those who love freedom and cherish the responsibility that accompanies liberty.
Hopefully we will win. ( Lovers of freedom that is)
The liberal/conservative dichotomy is just a distraction.
I have known hundreds of people who have taken ecstacy and they have not gone through the "cycle" you describe. I am not promoting E here I am just pointing out the misinformation your view propegates. As far as I know there is NO scientific proof for your claim, and my personal experience directly contradicts yours.
So who is right?
So, I say tough shit to you buddy, because there is very little evidence supporting your contetion other then a few of your personal experiences.
I think your overeacting to a bad experience and trying to moralize for everyone else.
From the list of side effects and warnings for Ritalin
STIMULANT ANTIDEPRESSANT DRUGS Depression may also be treated with drugs called psychostimulants. Use of such drugs is reserved for only two situations: (1) patients who have failed to respond to at least two other antidepressants and psychotherapy and who are seriously depressed, and (2) patients with serious and usually terminal medical illnesses such as cancer or AIDS who are depressed and too sick to take other kinds of antidepressants. The reason for these restrictions is that the stimulant drugs are addictive. They include amphetamines, sometimes called "speed" or "uppers," methylphenidate (Ritalin), and pemoline (Cylert). The drugs produce a short-term mood elevation even in people who are not depressed. College students take them to stay awake all night and finish term papers.
So why is Ritalin legal while marijuana isn't? The hypocrisy of our nation's drug laws are nothing short of absurd.
Geez,guy jsut litle reactioanry aren't you? It sounds like you took this speech straight from the former drug Czar Barry McCafrey.
Anyway, have you ever thought about why they call the Drug czar the Drug czar? Czar makes it sound like we are in a totalitarian state, hmm.., maybe we are...
Ecstacy is not addictive. As for the additives you mention, the quality of the drug would be regulated if it were legal. Also your experence is not the end all and be all of the matter.
What you are saying about E, is like saying that all pizza causes sickness because pizza caused sickness in YOU several times.
Another observation. I am not personally against the ads I actually think that it was a good idea and I think they are cool. But, If the proverbial "little guy" was caught doing this on the sidewalks in S.F. they would be arrested, fined and charged with a crime.
So that blows your whole stupid argument. Just for good measure- how about I come to your neighborhood and spray paint on your sidewalks?
Nevermind the fact that if the big companies pull all of the tech shops out of the area, SF would be bankrupt in less than a year. Punish the producers.
Gee exagerating a little huh? As if San Francisico's economy depends completely on big tech companies. The fact is that S.F .'s economy relies heavily on tourism and trade not just big technology companies. So if all of the large tech firms pulled out, San Francisco would do just fine, after all it is one of the most beautiful cities in the U.S.
As for how some big companies have acted towards S.F lately, check out how they are attempting to ream S.F. with a stupid lawsuit even after the city offered to settle.
Don't get me wrong I am not against technology or tech companies per say, but your appraisal of the situation is just as jilted and biased as you accuse S.F. and the posters to Slashdot as being. Life is not that black and white.
Thanks.
I use Slackware.
Oh one of noble but misguided intentions. Before dispensing of wisdom one must learn wisdom. After slaking thy thirst at the fount of freely available knowledge. Go forth and spread thy wisdom and your newly aquired conception of liberty throughout the mind of humanity.