Actually, Mandrake 8.2 for PPC is a *great* system, far better than Yellow Dog. The most surprising is it makes no difference with Mdk 8.2 for x86, which is particularly impressing, especially for installation! I think TerraSoft would have been more inspired to ship with Mandrake.
Thank you, it's interesting, but I'm still doubting because I didn't see that anywhere in the payment process. Furthermore when I'm asked how much money I want to pay to Mr. X, I don't imagine anytime Mr. X won't get all the money I want to pay him. If you are right, I think I will consider contacting PayPal to suggest them to be more transparent about the real payment amounts.
It seems PayPal offer $1 to every new account. If all Linux users open a PayPal account and wire the $1 to LWN, they will get millions dollars. I just wired my free $1!
I'm back from 10 days holidays, and I'm very sad to learn that Linux Weekly News is going to end. It's really one of the best Linux news site, and deserves to stay alive until they can find a real business model so they can pay all the contributors. Why wouldn't they provide paying archives or provide extra services (instant Linux news or rumours, Linux people connecting (for business for instance)...). It seems Mandrake found its way to profitability, so I'm sure Linux Weekly News can also do it!
The Linux community *needs* LWN, so please stay alive! I'm going to provide them right now my $5 paypal & a wire transfert of 50 Eur.
It's not comparable. If you want to compare, add Microsoft Office (StarOffice 6.0), IIS (Apache), SQL server (MySQL, PostgreSQL...), Photoshop (Gimp), Money (GnuCash)... etc.
There have been Mandrakes for SPARC & Alpha but apparently the market for these machines is very limited. I can remember a Linux expo with an Internet Café full of UltraSPARC running Mandrake 7.0, that was impressing!
Anyway I think it's interesting to notice the move of Mandrake towards the corporate market. They started as a desktop distribution, and now, as they are known as a desktop distribution, they start to release products targeted to corporates (see the Mandrake Prosuite, the Single Firewall, or the very recent Advantech Firewall Plus (apparently only in Europe). I think it's an excellent strategy because as they have an "easy to use" image, it a big advantage to convince corporations to use their products.
I'm amazed about such ignorance. It's been _3_ years that Mandrake comes compiled for i586 and more (it comes with gcc optimizations for pentium instructions set), so you can't run a Mandrake on a i386 or a i486 machine (they released a version of Mandrake 7.0 for i486 but it seems that as the demand for these processors is very low, they abandonned it).
>I often takes trains in England surbubs, and I never yet been deaded by it.
But many of Her Majesty's Subjects have. You know perfectly what I'm talking about.
>I takes train every day in France, and it slowly killing me!
I have to admit there are a bit too many strikes, but without any doubt, french trains are fast and very secure. TGV has been around here since 1981, and now very common on the french territory, and there were neither killed or injured as far as I know.
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I have to say I have never any problem with Mandrake 8.2 and URPMI while I use packages repositories made for 8.2 (= the 8.2 RPMS + 8.2 RPMS contribs + third party packages made for 8.2). So in this way it's really the same as Debian. Of course, sometimes when I try to install a development package from Cooker it will lead to issues, but as a normal user I'm not supposed to do that. And it's really very clean, see:
1- Install a single package:
# urpmi koffice % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Curr. Dload Upload Total Current Left Speed 100 8461k 100 8461k 0 0 61958 0 0:02:19 0:02:19 0:00:00 63912 installation de/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/koffice-1.1.1-14mdk.i586. rpm Preparing... koffice /* note: status bar removed because of the Slashdot junk chars filter */ [root@europe ]#
2- Install a package with dependencies:
# urpmi php Pour satisfaire les dépendances, les paquetages suivants vont être installés (1 Mo): php-common-4.1.2-1mdk.i586 php-4.1.2-1mdk.i586 Est-ce correct ? (O/n) o % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Curr. Dload Upload Total Current Left Speed 100 481k 100 481k 0 0 56191 0 0:00:08 0:00:08 0:00:00 63824 100 23587 100 23587 0 0 23469 0 0:00:01 0:00:01 0:00:00 59532 installation de/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/php-common-4.1.2-1mdk.i58 6.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/php-4.1.2-1mdk.i586.r pm Preparing... php-common php [root@europe ]#
3- Uninstall a package with depencies:
# urpme php-common Pour satisfaire les dépendances, les paquetages suivants vont être désinstallés (1 Mo): php-common-4.1.2-1mdk php-4.1.2-1mdk Est-ce correct ? (O/n) o [root@europe ]#
...is the best way to eat all the memory on a server and end into a complete freeze. That's what I can see everyday on servers running different CGI apps written in Perl. On the other hand, PHP is fast and doesn't eat your memory. Of course I'll be answered that well-programmed Perl CGI apps don't eat the memory. Maybe, maybe not. The fact is I can see all those Perl CGI apps designed by more or less experienced programmers, and all those PHP apps designed by the same people. And the consequences of each ones are (very) different.
Let me doubt about the UK figure: there are many train accidents in the UK which lead to many deads and injuried. The UK railway system is one of the unsafiest in the world. Just take a surbubs English train and you'll think you're back to the 19th century. They only have one modern and safe train which is Eurostar from LondonParis under the sea, and it's french technology.
The March 98' dream, when Netscape announced that Netscape's sources would be released, this dream finally transformed into reality. Many doubted about the calpability of the project to give something valuable, and there was much FUD about the project, but now we have the proof that a big Free Software project such as Mozilla has a sense.
I've been using Mozilla 0.9.x under Mandrake 8.2 for a while, and when I compare it to Internet Explorer, I have to say Mozilla is simply better. And I have to say, Mozilla-mail is also better than Outlook in many aspects.
CNET: So UnitedLinux will remain an open-source project?
CEO of Caldera: Absolutely. The only difference is that the UnitedLinux binaries will not be freely distributed. People will be able to download the source code and compile their own binaries, but they will not be able to use the UnitedLinux brand.
Merging free-software and proprietary software is already a shame, but here we are a step higher!
Because their results are available publicly on their website. They aren't profitable yet but their income has increased much the last year, and their expenses have been reduced significantly. Just have a look at: http://www.mandrakesoft.com/company/investors/news letter
>May I say bulls**t... I'd like to remind you of how Mandrake >came to be.. They where RedHat+KDE ans why didnt RH >already integrate KDE? Because it was based on non-free >software.
It was because Red Hat has started to finance GNOME before, and they wanted to kill KDE/Qt at the time. And can I remind you that Red Hat included KDE/Qt early in 1999 _long time before Qt became GPLed?
>There are in my opinion only two major distribution that are >true defenders of Free Software, RedHat and Debian.
Red Hat patents...
>Mandrake is just like TurboLinux, Suse and Caldera... They >are doing nothing innovative, they are just trying to survive >because they didnt move fast enough out of the "sell boxes" >market.. Which was also rh's market a few years back (but >they moved to offer much more because its a fairly limited >market.
Mandrake is the most innovative Linux distribution for a long time: they have introduced many new great tools such as remote updates, the best Linux installer available, security levels, automatic hardware configurator, and so many things. Most those things have been introduced in Linux distros after Mandrake started to introduce them.
I want to remind you that Mandrake started from nothing (not even a company) three years ago, long time after SuSE and Red Hat, and now they are #2, with more users than SuSE + Caldera + Turbo Linux. It's not financial power to market their product, they don't have.
It's funny to see the different approaches of Linux distributors to solve the issue "how to make money with a free product".
Red Hat bases everything on their strong image and the fact that they are #1. They base most their business on services while remaining very open-source-spirit oriented.
MandrakeSoft, which more and more appears to be now #2 in term of installed user base, is the biggest defender of Free Software after Debian. They sell boxes, and start to offer business-orieted services such as Red Hat does, but they also had a great idea: they offer extra services to their users (individuals & enterprises) with the Mandrake Club which provides them many subscriptions and a good income.
SuSE, Caldera, TurboLinux... Their deep wish would actually be sell their products "a la Microsoft" with one license per seat, without providing ISO images and so on. They actually have a very "proprietary" ideal, so they try to offer a not too bad image to the Linux community while acting against its ideals in reality.
In my opinion, Red Hat is lucky because they can stay open and make real business, MandrakeSoft is *extremely* innovative in inventing a real business model for Free Software while being a fervent defender of its rules. And SuSE, Caldera... didn't understand anything to Linux/Free Software and are going to be banned by the Linux community, and see their revenues decrease.
Mandrake can stay independant regarding United Linux. I know that they are a really open Linux distribution and I hope they can do another United Linux-like with smaller players, but a free and open one. This would create a major and killer alliance.
>Basically, there already is a standard distro. It's called Red Hat. >Like it or not, Red Hat is a de facto standard in the all-important >workstation and server markets. Mandrake and other popular >distros are already based on it.
Where did you see Mandrake is based on Red Hat? did you try it? Not the same install, not the same environments... Your statement is pure lie.
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Actually, Mandrake 8.2 for PPC is a *great* system, far better than Yellow Dog. The most surprising is it makes no difference with Mdk 8.2 for x86, which is particularly impressing, especially for installation! I think TerraSoft would have been more inspired to ship with Mandrake.
Thank you, it's interesting, but I'm still doubting because I didn't see that anywhere in the payment process. Furthermore when I'm asked how much money I want to pay to Mr. X, I don't imagine anytime Mr. X won't get all the money I want to pay him. If you are right, I think I will consider contacting PayPal to suggest them to be more transparent about the real payment amounts.
I hope you will be moderated at the lowest possible score. Actually, I donated my remaining $1 paypal:
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And I wired them $70 by VISA card. And I'll do it everymonth to support them. Will you?
I don't think so:
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And I don't see anywhere during the payment process that I would be charged $.30 later...
It seems PayPal offer $1 to every new account. If all Linux users open a PayPal account and wire the $1 to LWN, they will get millions dollars. I just wired my free $1!
I'm going to donate every month.
I'm back from 10 days holidays, and I'm very sad to learn that Linux Weekly News is going to end. It's really one of the best Linux news site, and deserves to stay alive until they can find a real business model so they can pay all the contributors. Why wouldn't they provide paying archives or provide extra services (instant Linux news or rumours, Linux people connecting (for business for instance)...). It seems Mandrake found its way to profitability, so I'm sure Linux Weekly News can also do it!
The Linux community *needs* LWN, so please stay alive!
I'm going to provide them right now my $5 paypal & a wire transfert of 50 Eur.
It's not comparable. If you want to compare, add Microsoft Office (StarOffice 6.0), IIS (Apache), SQL server (MySQL, PostgreSQL...), Photoshop (Gimp), Money (GnuCash)... etc.
:-)
What the price now?
Having Mandrake 8.2 running on the XBox would be *great* !!
There have been Mandrakes for SPARC & Alpha but apparently the market for these machines is very limited. I can remember a Linux expo with an Internet Café full of UltraSPARC running Mandrake 7.0, that was impressing!
Anyway I think it's interesting to notice the move of Mandrake towards the corporate market. They started as a desktop distribution, and now, as they are known as a desktop distribution, they start to release products targeted to corporates (see the Mandrake Prosuite, the Single Firewall, or the very recent Advantech Firewall Plus (apparently only in Europe). I think it's an excellent strategy because as they have an "easy to use" image, it a big advantage to convince corporations to use their products.
I'm amazed about such ignorance. It's been _3_ years that Mandrake comes compiled for i586 and more (it comes with gcc optimizations for pentium instructions set), so you can't run a Mandrake on a i386 or a i486 machine (they released a version of Mandrake 7.0 for i486 but it seems that as the demand for these processors is very low, they abandonned it).
>I often takes trains in England surbubs, and I never yet been deaded by it.
But many of Her Majesty's Subjects have. You know perfectly what I'm talking about.
>I takes train every day in France, and it slowly killing me!
I have to admit there are a bit too many strikes, but without any doubt, french trains are fast and very secure. TGV has been around here since 1981, and now very common on the french territory, and there were neither killed or injured as far as I know.
...is the best way to eat all the memory on a server and end into a complete freeze. That's what I can see everyday on servers running different CGI apps written in Perl. On the other hand, PHP is fast and doesn't eat your memory. Of course I'll be answered that well-programmed Perl CGI apps don't eat the memory. Maybe, maybe not. The fact is I can see all those Perl CGI apps designed by more or less experienced programmers, and all those PHP apps designed by the same people. And the consequences of each ones are (very) different.
Let me doubt about the UK figure: there are many train accidents in the UK which lead to many deads and injuried. The UK railway system is one of the unsafiest in the world. Just take a surbubs English train and you'll think you're back to the 19th century. They only have one modern and safe train which is Eurostar from LondonParis under the sea, and it's french technology.
is "Opteron" (see http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInforma tion/0,,30_118_4699,00.html)
The March 98' dream, when Netscape announced that Netscape's sources would be released, this dream finally transformed into reality. Many doubted about the calpability of the project to give something valuable, and there was much FUD about the project, but now we have the proof that a big Free Software project such as Mozilla has a sense.
I've been using Mozilla 0.9.x under Mandrake 8.2 for a while, and when I compare it to Internet Explorer, I have to say Mozilla is simply better. And I have to say, Mozilla-mail is also better than Outlook in many aspects.
Long live to Mozilla!
Please read http://news.com.com/2008-1082-929697.html
CNET:
So UnitedLinux will remain an open-source project?
CEO of Caldera:
Absolutely. The only difference is that the UnitedLinux binaries will not be freely distributed. People will be able to download the source code and compile their own binaries, but they will not be able to use the UnitedLinux brand.
Merging free-software and proprietary software is already a shame, but here we are a step higher!
Because their results are available publicly on their website. They aren't profitable yet but their income has increased much the last year, and their expenses have been reduced significantly.s letter
Just have a look at: http://www.mandrakesoft.com/company/investors/new
>May I say bulls**t... I'd like to remind you of how Mandrake >came to be.. They where RedHat+KDE ans why didnt RH >already integrate KDE? Because it was based on non-free >software.
It was because Red Hat has started to finance GNOME before, and they wanted to kill KDE/Qt at the time. And can I remind you that Red Hat included KDE/Qt early in 1999 _long time before Qt became GPLed?
>There are in my opinion only two major distribution that are >true defenders of Free Software, RedHat and Debian.
Red Hat patents...
>Mandrake is just like TurboLinux, Suse and Caldera... They >are doing nothing innovative, they are just trying to survive >because they didnt move fast enough out of the "sell boxes" >market.. Which was also rh's market a few years back (but >they moved to offer much more because its a fairly limited >market.
Mandrake is the most innovative Linux distribution for a long time: they have introduced many new great tools such as remote updates, the best Linux installer available, security levels, automatic hardware configurator, and so many things. Most those things have been introduced in Linux distros after Mandrake started to introduce them.
I want to remind you that Mandrake started from nothing (not even a company) three years ago, long time after SuSE and Red Hat, and now they are #2, with more users than SuSE + Caldera + Turbo Linux. It's not financial power to market their product, they don't have.
It's funny to see the different approaches of Linux distributors to solve the issue "how to make money with a free product".
Red Hat bases everything on their strong image and the fact that they are #1. They base most their business on services while remaining very open-source-spirit oriented.
MandrakeSoft, which more and more appears to be now #2 in term of installed user base, is the biggest defender of Free Software after Debian. They sell boxes, and start to offer business-orieted services such as Red Hat does, but they also had a great idea: they offer extra services to their users (individuals & enterprises) with the Mandrake Club which provides them many subscriptions and a good income.
SuSE, Caldera, TurboLinux... Their deep wish would actually be sell their products "a la Microsoft" with one license per seat, without providing ISO images and so on. They actually have a very "proprietary" ideal, so they try to offer a not too bad image to the Linux community while acting against its ideals in reality.
In my opinion, Red Hat is lucky because they can stay open and make real business, MandrakeSoft is *extremely* innovative in inventing a real business model for Free Software while being a fervent defender of its rules. And SuSE, Caldera... didn't understand anything to Linux/Free Software and are going to be banned by the Linux community, and see their revenues decrease.
Was "originally" based on Red Hat but is not anymore, at all... Please don't spread false informations...
Mandrake can stay independant regarding United Linux. I know that they are a really open Linux distribution and I hope they can do another United Linux-like with smaller players, but a free and open one. This would create a major and killer alliance.
>Basically, there already is a standard distro. It's called Red Hat. >Like it or not, Red Hat is a de facto standard in the all-important >workstation and server markets. Mandrake and other popular >distros are already based on it.
Where did you see Mandrake is based on Red Hat? did you try it? Not the same install, not the same environments... Your statement is pure lie.