I think this will be the first Apple I won't buy. I can understand locking the OS from running on generic, but once you throw a chip in there that can do more than just lock out the OS, that scares me
This is just it. Sure the OS could be cracked, but what about all those other countless apps that will need to phone home and stop working when the license holder decides?
I wouldn't buy this machine on principal alone. Forget whether it could be cracked or not.
AMD semiconductor manufacturer petitioneed the NRC for a rule change to allow small home use nuclear reactors, saying in the application "consumers will need it".
Also, they announced the acquisition of the frigidaire refrigeration company for an undisclosed amount, saying that "our product lines have a mutual synergy".
"In zeeury, ve-a cun releese-a un updete-a veet a petch fery qooeeckly, boot thet's a beeg meesteke-a. Oone-a ooff zee theengs coostumers demund is qooeleety petches. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Zeey dun't vunt tu deel veet foolty petches thet breek zeeur eppleeceshuns und zeey dun't vunt tu deel veet ell zee essuceeeted truooble-a," he-a seeed
rest assured that all it will take is a compatibility layer, akin to what FreeBSD has for running Linux binaries unchanged, to make any part of OSX execute on any PC
I'm sure that dozens (if not hundreds) of programmers were thinking the same thing when the Apple/x86 announcement was made.
I'm sure that it can be done, but I bet whatever it is it won't be a commercially viable product. I suspect that you will see mac-mini like Apple computers priced the same as a low-end dell. People will expect it (esp. now that it's x86), and they will get it. I bet there is somethiong in the $400 price range (less than the mac-mini's current $485). It will be put in some cute box and everybody will want one. They'll sell zillions of them.
At that price, it's just not worth the trouble to hack a compatibility layer. If you buy the OS at $110 (the current price of tiger) plus $300 for all the hardware you will end up at the same cost.
I think that is what apple is banking on, to stop their computer from being a marginalized dongle.
Yes, but the speed increase you describe will be marginal in the eyes of their most important customer - the one who buys an apple computer as an appliance.
You and me buy motherboards in pretty boxes and build tricked out systems. Joe Bloe Mac user has always liked Macs and always will even though they are running at 4.0 Ghz and intels latest is at 4.2
I also bet that mac systems start coming with a cpu socket too.
Another thing - everyone agrees that Moores law is reaching limits, and we are already seeing dual core chips. So speed really won't be as big as deal, as buyers look for the "intel inside" logo anyway.
You have to realize that when you bought an apple computer, you bought into the "apple mythos" as well.
In this mythos, the average user is not that inclined to even know what processor their machine runs (let alone browsing slashdot - why aren't you running linux BTW??). So, today's annoucement had little effect if any on them.
The big mistake you made is not realizing that buying a new computer is like buying a new car. The minute you get it home its value quickly evaporates, and there is nothing you can do about it. If there is anything worse than buying a car or computer, that would be software. Which is like buying fish, which turns stinky when you get it home. This is the reason why you see so many open source advocates around here. But I digress.
Which is the reason why I run linux on crappy old hardware cobbled from junk piles everywhere because I refuse to spend a lot on computers.
In a couple years from now, microsoft is going to expect everyone to upgrade their current PC so that it can run lamehorn^H^H^H^Hlonghorn. So, actually you are in a slightly better boat than all of the PC users out there. Besides that, you really are using state-of-the-art equipment right for this moment, and that's what you really wanted, right??
Plus the lifecycle of your machine is probably more like four years, probably because programs will run on both platforms for the switchover. Then by that time you will want to upgrade anyway. Just don't buy new stuff. Just pop for the slightly used anyway. Also, it will be a lot clearer what the fallout of the new platform will exactly be by that time as well.
When you decide that the computer in front of you has turned into a pile of crap, you can do what I do - run linux on it. By then linux guis should be considerably more polished so that even a Mac user could learn to like it.
You will also find that living life on the back slope of computer technology is actually more enjoyable and less frustrating than a trip to the bleeding edge.
The small time developer (from which many good apps have come from) are indeed in the dark. I wouldn't go so far as saying screwed, because they can still compile using xcode.
Good Windows emulation is probably what killed OS/2, it can kill OS X too..
You forget one thing grasshopper. Windows is full of so many security holes it's like the sinking of the titanic. Nobody I know of likes windows just for window's sake. They like it because it runs the apps they bought. Contrast this with the Mac which people 'like' as an OS.
If Apple OS can run some of those same apps at a competitive price, I personally feel like that people will flock to Apple.
There is another post earlier in the thread that makes the argument why Apple switched, that being that they will never be behind in intel in speed again. That a draw sometimes is the same as a win.
If the hardware business becomes unprofitable, Apple can always become a software company at a moment's notice.
I was thinking (as I'm sure countless others were too) what it would take to engineer a translation layer to be able to run Mac OS on PC hardware.
I came to the realization that the economics will never work out, because I bet Macminis (or similar) end up the same price as a low end Dell computer.
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You heard it here first.
Don't the big ones (SuSE, Fedora, Gentoo, etc) already support AMD64
It's news because slackware *is* one of the big ones that has been around since pretty much the beginning of Linux.
In my opinion, urban public spaces and surfaces belong to the public.
Yes, and your opinion is wrong. The notion of "private property" is a well established legal principle.
If you owned the property, you wouldn't want people painting whatever they wanted on it, art or not.
But your opinion does not matter, as you fall under the "rule of law." And most places have laws against vandalism.
Graffiti is not art, it is vandalism. Anything that encourages it should be outlawed.
I know that their are possible legitimate uses, but vandalism centric services really should not exist.
Eye-spam is just as bad as other spam.
I think this will be the first Apple I won't buy. I can understand locking the OS from running on generic, but once you throw a chip in there that can do more than just lock out the OS, that scares me
This is just it. Sure the OS could be cracked, but what about all those other countless apps that will need to phone home and stop working when the license holder decides?
I wouldn't buy this machine on principal alone. Forget whether it could be cracked or not.
As Timothy Leary said, "Tune in, Turn on, Drop out".
It seems to have worked for him. Maybe that's how he got the idea for all those fruity iMacs.
Did they give it a fruit name?
You mean like "lemon".
but this seemed really strange considering 98% of us never are in a position to where we interact with the outside world..
That's not the point. It really is distracting to watch a coworker reach for something and you see her butt-crack tatt.
How is this tech not obvious to someone skilled in the art?
When they work for the patent office??
AMD semiconductor manufacturer petitioneed the NRC for a rule change to allow small home use nuclear reactors, saying in the application "consumers will need it".
Also, they announced the acquisition of the frigidaire refrigeration company for an undisclosed amount, saying that "our product lines have a mutual synergy".
Microsoft's first two versions of any product always sucks. Why should this be any different.
So it can blow?
No silly, they bork their patches. From TFA;
"In zeeury, ve-a cun releese-a un updete-a veet a petch fery qooeeckly, boot thet's a beeg meesteke-a. Oone-a ooff zee theengs coostumers demund is qooeleety petches. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Zeey dun't vunt tu deel veet foolty petches thet breek zeeur eppleeceshuns und zeey dun't vunt tu deel veet ell zee essuceeeted truooble-a," he-a seeed
Isn't that about what Bill Gate's recycled snot is worth??
I think it will still be possible, I just don't think it's going to be as easy as some of you think
They(hackers) actually have MacOS running on x86 now through an emulation layer. But the sound doesn't work at all.
I bet it's that way with the future hacked versions of x86. It will work, though kinda crappy and will be missing major features.
rest assured that all it will take is a compatibility layer, akin to what FreeBSD has for running Linux binaries unchanged, to make any part of OSX execute on any PC
I'm sure that dozens (if not hundreds) of programmers were thinking the same thing when the Apple/x86 announcement was made.
I'm sure that it can be done, but I bet whatever it is it won't be a commercially viable product. I suspect that you will see mac-mini like Apple computers priced the same as a low-end dell. People will expect it (esp. now that it's x86), and they will get it. I bet there is somethiong in the $400 price range (less than the mac-mini's current $485). It will be put in some cute box and everybody will want one. They'll sell zillions of them.
At that price, it's just not worth the trouble to hack a compatibility layer. If you buy the OS at $110 (the current price of tiger) plus $300 for all the hardware you will end up at the same cost.
I think that is what apple is banking on, to stop their computer from being a marginalized dongle.
What's the deal wiht this roland guy
They're trying to decode his genome to find the missing link.
Which will lead to his website, of course.
- optimize seamless communities
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engage e-business content
Perfect solution
I will believe it when I either see this in a powerpoint presentation or hear it come out of the mouth of a funny sock puppet.
Yes, but the speed increase you describe will be marginal in the eyes of their most important customer - the one who buys an apple computer as an appliance.
You and me buy motherboards in pretty boxes and build tricked out systems. Joe Bloe Mac user has always liked Macs and always will even though they are running at 4.0 Ghz and intels latest is at 4.2
I also bet that mac systems start coming with a cpu socket too.
Another thing - everyone agrees that Moores law is reaching limits, and we are already seeing dual core chips. So speed really won't be as big as deal, as buyers look for the "intel inside" logo anyway.
You have to realize that when you bought an apple computer, you bought into the "apple mythos" as well.
In this mythos, the average user is not that inclined to even know what processor their machine runs (let alone browsing slashdot - why aren't you running linux BTW??). So, today's annoucement had little effect if any on them.
The big mistake you made is not realizing that buying a new computer is like buying a new car. The minute you get it home its value quickly evaporates, and there is nothing you can do about it. If there is anything worse than buying a car or computer, that would be software. Which is like buying fish, which turns stinky when you get it home. This is the reason why you see so many open source advocates around here. But I digress.
Which is the reason why I run linux on crappy old hardware cobbled from junk piles everywhere because I refuse to spend a lot on computers.
In a couple years from now, microsoft is going to expect everyone to upgrade their current PC so that it can run lamehorn^H^H^H^Hlonghorn. So, actually you are in a slightly better boat than all of the PC users out there. Besides that, you really are using state-of-the-art equipment right for this moment, and that's what you really wanted, right??
Plus the lifecycle of your machine is probably more like four years, probably because programs will run on both platforms for the switchover. Then by that time you will want to upgrade anyway. Just don't buy new stuff. Just pop for the slightly used anyway. Also, it will be a lot clearer what the fallout of the new platform will exactly be by that time as well.
When you decide that the computer in front of you has turned into a pile of crap, you can do what I do - run linux on it. By then linux guis should be considerably more polished so that even a Mac user could learn to like it.
You will also find that living life on the back slope of computer technology is actually more enjoyable and less frustrating than a trip to the bleeding edge.
I haven't seen the video, but I am sure that what ever x86 hardware that is released will be heavily dependant on a custom bios and/or fpgas.
Also, it looks like the have some more work to do.
The small time developer (from which many good apps have come from) are indeed in the dark. I wouldn't go so far as saying screwed, because they can still compile using xcode.
Good Windows emulation is probably what killed OS/2, it can kill OS X too..
You forget one thing grasshopper. Windows is full of so many security holes it's like the sinking of the titanic. Nobody I know of likes windows just for window's sake. They like it because it runs the apps they bought. Contrast this with the Mac which people 'like' as an OS.
If Apple OS can run some of those same apps at a competitive price, I personally feel like that people will flock to Apple.
There is another post earlier in the thread that makes the argument why Apple switched, that being that they will never be behind in intel in speed again. That a draw sometimes is the same as a win.
If the hardware business becomes unprofitable, Apple can always become a software company at a moment's notice.
I was thinking (as I'm sure countless others were too) what it would take to engineer a translation layer to be able to run Mac OS on PC hardware.
I came to the realization that the economics will never work out, because I bet Macminis (or similar) end up the same price as a low end Dell computer.
It could very well need some proprietary Mac hardware to run on.
Maybe Mac hardware is nothing more of a dongle for the Mac operating system to run.