Corporations have an innocent and noble aim, to make money.
True corporations are out to make money. And they don't give a damn on who they step on to get it. They would love it if we were to just give them money for existing, or if our sole purpose for existing was to support them. We all want to make money, there's nothing wrong with that until you start breaking moral and ethical boundaries.
They have no interest in advancing political agendas or using that information to harm people.
Mmmm. Sure, they don't. Some large corporations actively participate in politics. Campaign donations are just one way to look at it. Lobbying, there's another form of politics that they do. As far as political agendas they are varied. Restrictions on imports/exports, making tougher environmental laws so people have to use their products, making it illegal to use some distributions. Having laws made to restrict OpenSource stuff. We've seen stuff like this before, and corporations _are_ behind this to make the money flow easier.
Look at the rioting in Cincinati. If policing were private, that would not have happened.
Who's to say that it wouldn't have happened if a police corporation were to try and enforce socially unethical or immoral acts on the people are you sure they would sit around for it? This shooting of an unarmed man could have happened by any corporate cops. The only difference would be that people would be angry with the corporation than with the government.
Data being available publicvally is good, as long as it is not abused.
The only problem with this is that it will get abused. Think of all the information that companies (ie Amazon, etc) collect and how upset people get when they sell that information to other companies. Personally, I don't want my information widely available. Not because I'm a crook or anything, but I fear identity theft. It happens all the time, and is easy to do if you know how.
Corporations have a record of non-abuse, and are owned by the people. The government does not and is not. That is all we need to know.
Is that really all we need to know? If so then we're screwed. We need to become as knowledgeable as possible. We need to know and set our rights. Also, corporations may have a record of non-abuse, but when have they ever been as powerful as today? They wouldn't exist without today's society with the power that they do weild.
By the time I was done reading the question, I totally forgot who the company was...
That is one big hint. You need name recognition. Sure that's not really PR, but in a way it does deal with it. If your company is out there doing all sorts of great things, interacting with the public and so forth, but nobody can remember who you are or what your company is called, then you _are_ just wasting your money on PR. People need someway of tying the two together to realize that it is _you_ and not one of your competitors doing all this great PR.
Maybe the name of the company needs to be changed. Ybos. How do you say that name?? I'm sure someone out there knows how to say it, but how many people in a crowd could look at that and say "Yeah, I know how to say Ybos." In some of the marketing seminars I've gone too they've talked just about why products/companies fail. And this is one of the big reasons. ***No one knows how to pronounce your product/company's name.*** I could come up with a name like Xyxqulmpt and how many of you could correctly pronounce it? (It's pronounced Six-Que-lump-t, or whatever.)
(On a side note, the way I would pronounce Ybos would be Yeh-bos, which sounds like a derivative from a very naughty Russian cussword.8P)
I guess what I'm trying to say is that PR is marketing yourself, selling the good points of your company. People need to realize who you are and what you stand for. They also need to remember your name after a paragraph. The intro to/. was very tiny and some people could not remember who the company was. That should tell you a lot.
Please God, don't let me fuck up.
--What was that?
Uh, everything is A-OK! -- The Right Stuff
That's why we send the space monkeys up there to smooth that thing out and make it into a perfect sphere. Then we can send it shooting towards a tiny town like a marble.
Gagarin ejected from his capsule and parachuted to the Earth while the capsule crashed below him.
So. That is not even close to any point. He was the first man in space! Who gives a Fsck how he got down.
Another point to remind you people is that while Americans were fairly open about what they were doing and the Russians were fairly secretive we still have to look at how they were landing.
Americans, because they were open about it, landed their crews in the oceans. The Russians were landing their crews on dry land. I'm sure I'd jump out too and take my own chance rather than strap myself to a several ton weight and hit the earth at God knows what speed. Besides that there was some sort of malfunction on the craft that forced Yuri Gagarin to eject and land by parachute. Malfunctions happened to Americans too.
Please God don't let me fuck up.
What was that?
Everything is A-OK! -- The Right Stuff
So why don't they go after the larger offenders, rather than pick on the small governments? Why don't they go after the 31337 h4x0rz that have CD images of Win 2k and the like on their FTP sites?
They are easy "public" targets that they can make their point on. If everyone sees that M$ can force money out of a small gov't entity for non-compliance then everyone should be shaking in their boots, because they could be vulnerable too.
Not only that, but they are easy targets. You really don't have to try to track a gov't entity down, unless it's the CIA or the Post Office who delivers your mail. Like you said..
small local governments, that probably have little organization and poor record keeping, as far as IS is concerned anyway.
Only problem is this. Once a company starts getting audited monthly, they say "Screw this".
Even the IRS isn't dumb enough to audit monthly. Not only is it time consuming on their part, but it really pisses people off. These people would tell their congressmen and then these congressmen would come down on the IRS.
Also, even if the software were mission critical, top management would/should say --well, it's time to make some changes in what we are using. We liked NameBrand Software but the costs of auditing it monthly are not worth it. We will switch to BrandB Software that doesn't audit quite so often. (This is all despite the fact that they are in true compliance.) It may be lower quality, but it is better than laying everyone in the company off just to meet these ridiculously stupid requirements.
especially if they continue pestering companies that are honestly trying to comply.
True. And most of the companies that are trying to comply are the big name companies and universities. This is because they have large amounts of money that could, if MS persued, be taken away. And now it seems that MS is going to hound them some more. Oh well. That's why I'm trying to move away from that and get into the open source movement. Don't have to worry that some asshole is going to sue me and take away my money for not having everything liscenced.
Well, hiding booze wasn't the only thing they were doing up there. Remember a little while back they were growing fungus up there too. I'm sure they were all singin' "We all live in a Yellow Space Station..." at some point in time.
Ah, the russians sure knew how to live it up there, unlike their stiff-assed colleages from America.
Etot poezd v ogne, i nam ne na chto bol'she zhat' -- Akvarium
Re:That's not what they mean by "unique."
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And you people think it's unfair that the people who contributed tissue samples don't collect royalties? They're getting a treatment for their condition
The only problem with this is that the patient also has to pay the bills for the medical treatment (or at least the insurance company that the patient uses). So the medical/research field is getting something for nothing. If the doctor/researcher would care to foot some of the bill (or the researchers) when they take the tissues and work on them, then I think it would be a little more equal.
Maybe after reading all the stuff that Taco puts out, this poor soul has degenerated to the point of 'Tacoisms'.
This person just can't help it anymore. Living a life using Taco's mannerisms in writing.
Maybe we should set aside a fund to help those tragic souls who have fallen into this behavior. Please help save another person. All it takes is the price of a cup of coffee and this person could be saved.
This BULLSHIT about war games being a waste of money is amazing
I love to play war games myself!
There's Counter-Strike, my personal favorite. Day of Defeat, a new mod for HL. And Quake! These war games are fun!!!
On the other hand, what if we held a war and everybody came?
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And then he goes on to say that information is dangerous
Information is dangerous. If you go back to the roots of information you will find ou that it directly leads to power.
Man discovers fire. That man now has new information. He can cook meat, ridding it of some of the unpleasant bacteria and stuff (unbeknownst to him). He can frighten large predators. He has power over life and death in a relativistic sense. Now he can share that information with others. Or he can demand payment, becoming a business entity, or he can become a government entity, heed my words! Those without the information, in this case fire, would find that it is beneficial to them to submit themselves to the owner of the informations rules. At least until they can figure it out or steal it or defeat the owner and gain rights to that information.
Now, I understand that all information isn't that crucial like fire. But information is power in one form or another. The discussions that have gone on here relate to "Should we give the power to governments or corporations?" That is a good question.
Giving the power to the people is very dangerous. People are greedy. But we can't trust corporations to act any better. Government loves to keep the power, and the information, away from the prying eyes of the public. What real solutions can we find? What other alternatives can we find?
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Are you saying I'm funny? What do you mean by that?
Corporations have an innocent and noble aim, to make money.
True corporations are out to make money. And they don't give a damn on who they step on to get it. They would love it if we were to just give them money for existing, or if our sole purpose for existing was to support them. We all want to make money, there's nothing wrong with that until you start breaking moral and ethical boundaries.
They have no interest in advancing political agendas or using that information to harm people.
Mmmm. Sure, they don't. Some large corporations actively participate in politics. Campaign donations are just one way to look at it. Lobbying, there's another form of politics that they do. As far as political agendas they are varied. Restrictions on imports/exports, making tougher environmental laws so people have to use their products, making it illegal to use some distributions. Having laws made to restrict OpenSource stuff. We've seen stuff like this before, and corporations _are_ behind this to make the money flow easier.
Look at the rioting in Cincinati. If policing were private, that would not have happened.
Who's to say that it wouldn't have happened if a police corporation were to try and enforce socially unethical or immoral acts on the people are you sure they would sit around for it? This shooting of an unarmed man could have happened by any corporate cops. The only difference would be that people would be angry with the corporation than with the government.
Data being available publicvally is good, as long as it is not abused.
The only problem with this is that it will get abused. Think of all the information that companies (ie Amazon, etc) collect and how upset people get when they sell that information to other companies. Personally, I don't want my information widely available. Not because I'm a crook or anything, but I fear identity theft. It happens all the time, and is easy to do if you know how.
Corporations have a record of non-abuse, and are owned by the people. The government does not and is not. That is all we need to know.
Is that really all we need to know? If so then we're screwed. We need to become as knowledgeable as possible. We need to know and set our rights. Also, corporations may have a record of non-abuse, but when have they ever been as powerful as today? They wouldn't exist without today's society with the power that they do weild.
Just my 2 kopecks worth
We already have the answer, it's the question we're looking for.
Couldn't resist.
Curiosity didn't kill the cat, it was framed by stupidity.
That is one big hint. You need name recognition. Sure that's not really PR, but in a way it does deal with it. If your company is out there doing all sorts of great things, interacting with the public and so forth, but nobody can remember who you are or what your company is called, then you _are_ just wasting your money on PR. People need someway of tying the two together to realize that it is _you_ and not one of your competitors doing all this great PR.
Maybe the name of the company needs to be changed. Ybos. How do you say that name?? I'm sure someone out there knows how to say it, but how many people in a crowd could look at that and say "Yeah, I know how to say Ybos." In some of the marketing seminars I've gone too they've talked just about why products/companies fail. And this is one of the big reasons. ***No one knows how to pronounce your product/company's name.*** I could come up with a name like Xyxqulmpt and how many of you could correctly pronounce it? (It's pronounced Six-Que-lump-t, or whatever.)
(On a side note, the way I would pronounce Ybos would be Yeh-bos, which sounds like a derivative from a very naughty Russian cussword.8P)
I guess what I'm trying to say is that PR is marketing yourself, selling the good points of your company. People need to realize who you are and what you stand for. They also need to remember your name after a paragraph. The intro to /. was very tiny and some people could not remember who the company was. That should tell you a lot.
Please God, don't let me fuck up.
--What was that?
Uh, everything is A-OK! -- The Right Stuff
You're forgetting they got rid of Clippy for WinXP. Isn't that enough reason to get it???
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That's why we send the space monkeys up there to smooth that thing out and make it into a perfect sphere. Then we can send it shooting towards a tiny town like a marble.
Who says we don't need middle monkeys!
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So. That is not even close to any point. He was the first man in space! Who gives a Fsck how he got down.
Another point to remind you people is that while Americans were fairly open about what they were doing and the Russians were fairly secretive we still have to look at how they were landing.
Americans, because they were open about it, landed their crews in the oceans. The Russians were landing their crews on dry land. I'm sure I'd jump out too and take my own chance rather than strap myself to a several ton weight and hit the earth at God knows what speed. Besides that there was some sort of malfunction on the craft that forced Yuri Gagarin to eject and land by parachute. Malfunctions happened to Americans too.
Please God don't let me fuck up.
What was that?
Everything is A-OK! -- The Right Stuff
So Americans built the moon? Kick Ass!!! I'd like to see any other country top that!!
Sorry, had to be done, otherwise we wouldn't have waves.
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...Windows bashing begin!!!
First Planet: God.
Second Planet: ...
Well, that exhausts those possibilities. So much for monotheism.
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This one's 4 whole years late! OMFG!!!! What is slashdot coming to?????
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They are easy "public" targets that they can make their point on. If everyone sees that M$ can force money out of a small gov't entity for non-compliance then everyone should be shaking in their boots, because they could be vulnerable too.
Not only that, but they are easy targets. You really don't have to try to track a gov't entity down, unless it's the CIA or the Post Office who delivers your mail. Like you said..
small local governments, that probably have little organization and poor record keeping, as far as IS is concerned anyway.
Mod me Mad!!
Tune in next time to find out if Batman really is in love with CmdrTaco...
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Even the IRS isn't dumb enough to audit monthly. Not only is it time consuming on their part, but it really pisses people off. These people would tell their congressmen and then these congressmen would come down on the IRS.
Also, even if the software were mission critical, top management would/should say --well, it's time to make some changes in what we are using. We liked NameBrand Software but the costs of auditing it monthly are not worth it. We will switch to BrandB Software that doesn't audit quite so often. (This is all despite the fact that they are in true compliance.) It may be lower quality, but it is better than laying everyone in the company off just to meet these ridiculously stupid requirements.
Just my 2 kopecks.
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True. And most of the companies that are trying to comply are the big name companies and universities. This is because they have large amounts of money that could, if MS persued, be taken away. And now it seems that MS is going to hound them some more. Oh well. That's why I'm trying to move away from that and get into the open source movement. Don't have to worry that some asshole is going to sue me and take away my money for not having everything liscenced.
Kto-to
Kozli! Vezde!
Ah, the russians sure knew how to live it up there, unlike their stiff-assed colleages from America.
Etot poezd v ogne, i nam ne na chto bol'she zhat' -- Akvarium
Sorry, couldn't resist.
or for that matter 56k!
Go Crazy?
Don't mind if I do!
Sorry, I just couldn't resist it.
A little application here don't ya think?
The only problem with this is that the patient also has to pay the bills for the medical treatment (or at least the insurance company that the patient uses). So the medical/research field is getting something for nothing. If the doctor/researcher would care to foot some of the bill (or the researchers) when they take the tissues and work on them, then I think it would be a little more equal.
Maybe after reading all the stuff that Taco puts out, this poor soul has degenerated to the point of 'Tacoisms'.
This person just can't help it anymore. Living a life using Taco's mannerisms in writing.
Maybe we should set aside a fund to help those tragic souls who have fallen into this behavior. Please help save another person. All it takes is the price of a cup of coffee and this person could be saved.
I love to play war games myself!
There's Counter-Strike, my personal favorite. Day of Defeat, a new mod for HL. And Quake! These war games are fun!!!
On the other hand, what if we held a war and everybody came?
Information is dangerous. If you go back to the roots of information you will find ou that it directly leads to power.
Man discovers fire. That man now has new information. He can cook meat, ridding it of some of the unpleasant bacteria and stuff (unbeknownst to him). He can frighten large predators. He has power over life and death in a relativistic sense. Now he can share that information with others. Or he can demand payment, becoming a business entity, or he can become a government entity, heed my words! Those without the information, in this case fire, would find that it is beneficial to them to submit themselves to the owner of the informations rules. At least until they can figure it out or steal it or defeat the owner and gain rights to that information.
Now, I understand that all information isn't that crucial like fire. But information is power in one form or another. The discussions that have gone on here relate to "Should we give the power to governments or corporations?" That is a good question.
Giving the power to the people is very dangerous. People are greedy. But we can't trust corporations to act any better. Government loves to keep the power, and the information, away from the prying eyes of the public. What real solutions can we find? What other alternatives can we find?