This was more that "play", for it had multiple harmonizing parts together, was a compiled.com file, and didn't have any libraries. all that I needed to set it was an app called "timing.com" which would change something in "willtell.com" to set the speed of the song for the computer. the problem is that it would max out how it could be set for a mid-grade 486, and wouldn't be able to be heard properly on any new PCs... "Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
I looked through what they had to show, and some of it was interesting, and they almost had me convinced that maybe they were on to something, and then they started pointing out animal shapes... FREAKIN' ANIMAL SHAPES! WHY would someone expend massive amounts of resources to make multiple Kilometre sized animal shapes? Consider the following:
Mars has had this climate for long enough that some of the pretty little animals that are represented didn't exist in the forms that we have of them today when the climate is confirmed to be as it is now. So, this would mean that someone would have been 'artistic' enough to put the shapes on now, and now the climate eats away at them.
Also, if there is intelligent life on Mars right now, they would have to know what these animals look like in order to carve them into the surface of their own planet. They could receive our TV brodcasts, but then wouldn't you expect coca cola signs? they are a helluva lot more common than some quadraped mammal on TV. If they sent some kind of supersensitive probe here to look at what our world looks like so they'd have a picture, it is possible that we would have detected it's orbit, and probably shot it down or at least tried some form of stuff against it.
Basically, my argument is that unless the research is WHOLLY scientific, not "look at the pretty animals", we won't get anywhere with dumbasses like these people trying to publish stuff like this. All credibility of the earlier stuff is destroyed with the later stuff, and I'd be ashamed if I had been someone who contributed work to that and then saw that as the end product. I hope that this gets laughed all the way to/dev/null.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
great... how many ways do we need of sending "beep"?
I remember that I used to have this app for an 8088 that played the complete tonal "William Tell Overture" out of the PC speaker... I wonder what happened to it?
Hiyo Silver... AWAY!!!!
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"Ahem... no, they have patented a system for creating, storing, and using the checksum. An entire system, not just the storage of a checksum..."
Well, If indeed their patent isn't trying to patent a concept and is patenting a specific method, more power to them, but I'm wondering how long it'll take for some lawyer for their company to decide that their patent is strong enough to make the creating of such a system by others be in violation in his own opinion, leading to nice little lawsuits. Remember, IBM patented their BIOS back in the '80s, and when it was reverse engineered there was a lawsuit, and the result of that lawsuit opened up legal reverse engineering. Actions like that of the MPAA are trying to challenge that legal precedent, and unfortunately the DMCA is right smack on their side. We really need that travesty removed from the lawbooks. I can even understand why some points of the DMCA are present, but as it stands it does so much harm that it'll need to be repealed in its entirety and have useful parts passed in pieces, if any of it at all is particularly useful. We did seem to be getting along just fine without it though...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"Well, if that's your definition of 'free', then indeed nothing is ever free, trivially. If I gave you my Mercedes, you'd probably complain 'It's not free: I have to go through the extra work of driving it from your place to mine, and while not 'hard', it's work.'"
Remember, you said "If"... One can theorize all one wants to about how things could be free, but until they actually are, they're still not free. I could surmise that I'll give all of my tech stuff away to everyone, and then it'd be free to them but I'm not going to, so the example doesn't work. If you include the scope of every possible thing that could conceivably occur, you're including possibilities so remote that they probably won't ever happen.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
That would look really cool, especially if we added some multicoloured laser effects, a strobe, and a fog machine... one could host the most awesome goth club nights, all we'd have to do is threaten the neighbours with scare tactics so they don't say anything to anyone!
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"The most information-dense sites on the internet come from academic or hacker volunteers, for free. The New York Times is completely free if you install webwasher. The most flexible computer software is free..."
I have to disagree with you on some of these points. In order to use the NY Times for free, you have go through the extra work of webwasher, and while not 'hard', it's work. you also have to get the most flexible computer software to flex to where you want it... the UNIX Operating Sytems are examples. they may be technically 'free', but the amount of work required can be so complex that some would argue that it's not worth it. I feel it is, but I like that kind of work, it's more play then work.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"So, if advertisements don't work, then we'll have to pay a monthly fee to read slashdot. And go to any geocities page..."
I don't mind the advertisement at the top of Slashdot, it's small, to the point, and it doesn't intrude on my ability to read Slashdot. Sometimes I'm actually curious about what is being advertised, and most of what is listed is stuff I'd buy regardless of the ad. It just provides a convenient medium to get to the manufacturer or distributer. I don't like ads that are in places so far off their target audience (like the Troy-built Lawn tillers that are advertised on the Sci-Fi Channel every 5 freakin' minutes) that they shouldn't even bother to advertise, for they are just annoying people who don't want to hear it.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
If you don't like a site with ads, don't go to that site. If you don't like what is being advertised, don't buy it. Eventually, lack of profits will cause a change. If everyone realises this, the offenders will ultimately be screwed for advertising with no results. It's not rocket science, but if you do want something, you can't get it for nothing, you do have to 'pay' somehow, either through work, through putting up with something, or through money. Almost nothing comes free in this world.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"The article mentions unmanned rovers, not a manned mission."
Damn... I was hoping they'd send one of those annoying engineering professors that is only there because of tenure, so he could serve out his remaining time there...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
... and use it in a way that makes it accessible to people who should not use it, this sounds like a good idea. I've never been fond of people having more information on me then they need to do their jobs, but if it's already there then making it non-public is ALWAYS a good thing.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
... they make it very hard to use the internet. Since our GNP is very low, we don't have very good infrastructure to supply us electricity or give us telephone lines to connect. We also only have one computer in my village, and since we use the village bicycle hooked up to power it, if someone has to go get supplies we cannot be on the internet. We are tending to winning the footraces with the other villages lately though since this internet thing came around. I hope some day our poor village will do better, so we can get a better bicycle to use to power the computer with a more comfortable seat, so we can not get shut off quite so many times in the day.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
... with Shareware BBS software... his door program's creator couldn't be found, and the door software was reporting that the SysOP was committing piracy, for the door had been unregistered for eight years... The problem was quickly solved when the 386's hard disk failed last year, losing the BBS software, a 5 year old TradeWars 2002 game, and lots of fidonet mail. So much for being the last BBS just about in this area... "Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"Anyway, don't think I am some religious nutball. I last went to church over 2 weeks ago, I just feel I have to add my voice to the growing millions who feel video games have gone too far."
Well, the last time that I went to church was sometime in 1993, and I have absolutely no intention of going back, nor do I buy in to people's views that are strongly dictated by religion. I've got friends who are very devout in their FAITH, not in the dogma of a religion. I can respect their beliefs. Also, they don't tell me what to do with myself. This isn't 'do unto others before they do unto you'...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
Sheesh. Yeah, the Oil companies like a dependance on oil - but they know this is coming. You'll note that many of them have been restyling themselves as "energy" companies as opposed to oil companies.
Personally, I don't think that I'd even mind too much if the oil companies themselves branch out into other energy sources and become "energy companies", it'd be less stressful to the economy, easier on employment, and they actually have the money to do sufficient R&D if they'd get off their asses and do it. Look at what happened to watchmakers who wouldn't accept a new paradigm, and entire countries in Europe went into recession when their only form of income was dashed by the quartz crystal... I don't want that to happen here.
The Oil companies are relatively good at distribution, relatively good at transportation (yes, there are notable exceptions, but they thankfully aren't the rule), and do understand how economics work, and they don't want to go out of business. I wouldn't even be too upset if these companies developed the engine systems themselves to get 200 - 300+ miles per gallon on gasoline (or some other combustible) and then licensed the technology to automanufacturers and such to create the cars. They'd still have their profit, the car companies wouldn't have to do nearly as much R&D, and we wouldn't have to depend on one of the most volitale parts of the world so we can keep driving...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
There is an exception to the attorney-client privilege called the "crime-fraud exception" which means that if a client uses his lawyer's services to commit a crime -- e.g., to commit a fraud, to pass a bad check to his creditors -- he has no privilege. But there's got to be some upfront showing that the client did in fact do that before a court will compel the client's attorney to testify.
Maybe the courts felt that the rampant lawsuits flung madly in all directions constitute fraud, hoping that someone would just give in and pay instead of fight and get it dropped. It's kind of along the lines of sending a bill to another company for services never rendered, hoping it'll slip through and get paid anyway. This was considered fraud too.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
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I was wondering what directions you pictured RedHat Software taking, with how best to develop a Linux distribution, be it for home use, commercial use, or server use, or if you had originally had something in mind other than what has developed, and where do you think RedHat, as well as this community, should be heading?
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
I'd rather contribute to something that's concentrating on the skies and can't generate revenue than something that is being twisted into something that it's not, in this case the whole side use the company has for their daemon. All of the things people consider problems with SETI@home aside, its still a free project, and they don't make it very hard to participate at all. I'm lazy, and I like that.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
...based Centris 660AV, I'm using the "Penguin" loader, it's a mac version of loadlin basically. I haven't done it yet, but I'm wondering if I create a boot floppy for the mac with the pengiun app and a kernel on it if I can skip booting to the hard disk entirely, and that's what I'm hoping.
btw, running Debian m68K Linux on a 25MHz 68040 is REALLY SLOW!
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
... is "WTF is the secret service doing protecting the President when they're supposed to be dealing with money?!" Seriously, the Secret Service was drafted into the job after some assassination I think...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
Hooray, Linux kernel x.x.x is released so why the big uproar? No this is not to start a flame war or troll about, but think about this for a second, Linux is releasing kernel revisions daily, yet Linux users complain about Windows fallacies on this subject and on that one, yet its Linux coming out with constant revisions and patches (which to me are equivalent to MS service packs or updates) yet no news is posted when Windows releases a patch.
the difference is that end users can actually FIX IT THEMSELVES if there's a bug, and they won't have to worry about getting their asses sued off...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
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This was more that "play", for it had multiple harmonizing parts together, was a compiled .com file, and didn't have any libraries. all that I needed to set it was an app called "timing.com" which would change something in "willtell.com" to set the speed of the song for the computer. the problem is that it would max out how it could be set for a mid-grade 486, and wouldn't be able to be heard properly on any new PCs...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
I looked through what they had to show, and some of it was interesting, and they almost had me convinced that maybe they were on to something, and then they started pointing out animal shapes... FREAKIN' ANIMAL SHAPES! WHY would someone expend massive amounts of resources to make multiple Kilometre sized animal shapes? Consider the following:
/dev/null.
Mars has had this climate for long enough that some of the pretty little animals that are represented didn't exist in the forms that we have of them today when the climate is confirmed to be as it is now. So, this would mean that someone would have been 'artistic' enough to put the shapes on now, and now the climate eats away at them.
Also, if there is intelligent life on Mars right now, they would have to know what these animals look like in order to carve them into the surface of their own planet. They could receive our TV brodcasts, but then wouldn't you expect coca cola signs? they are a helluva lot more common than some quadraped mammal on TV. If they sent some kind of supersensitive probe here to look at what our world looks like so they'd have a picture, it is possible that we would have detected it's orbit, and probably shot it down or at least tried some form of stuff against it.
Basically, my argument is that unless the research is WHOLLY scientific, not "look at the pretty animals", we won't get anywhere with dumbasses like these people trying to publish stuff like this. All credibility of the earlier stuff is destroyed with the later stuff, and I'd be ashamed if I had been someone who contributed work to that and then saw that as the end product. I hope that this gets laughed all the way to
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
great... how many ways do we need of sending "beep"?
I remember that I used to have this app for an 8088 that played the complete tonal "William Tell Overture" out of the PC speaker... I wonder what happened to it?
Hiyo Silver... AWAY!!!!
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"Ahem ... no, they have patented a system for creating, storing, and using the checksum. An entire system, not just the storage of a checksum..."
Well, If indeed their patent isn't trying to patent a concept and is patenting a specific method, more power to them, but I'm wondering how long it'll take for some lawyer for their company to decide that their patent is strong enough to make the creating of such a system by others be in violation in his own opinion, leading to nice little lawsuits. Remember, IBM patented their BIOS back in the '80s, and when it was reverse engineered there was a lawsuit, and the result of that lawsuit opened up legal reverse engineering. Actions like that of the MPAA are trying to challenge that legal precedent, and unfortunately the DMCA is right smack on their side. We really need that travesty removed from the lawbooks. I can even understand why some points of the DMCA are present, but as it stands it does so much harm that it'll need to be repealed in its entirety and have useful parts passed in pieces, if any of it at all is particularly useful. We did seem to be getting along just fine without it though...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"Well, if that's your definition of 'free', then indeed nothing is ever free, trivially. If I gave you my Mercedes, you'd probably complain 'It's not free: I have to go through the extra work of driving it from your place to mine, and while not 'hard', it's work.'"
Remember, you said "If"... One can theorize all one wants to about how things could be free, but until they actually are, they're still not free. I could surmise that I'll give all of my tech stuff away to everyone, and then it'd be free to them but I'm not going to, so the example doesn't work. If you include the scope of every possible thing that could conceivably occur, you're including possibilities so remote that they probably won't ever happen.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
That would look really cool, especially if we added some multicoloured laser effects, a strobe, and a fog machine... one could host the most awesome goth club nights, all we'd have to do is threaten the neighbours with scare tactics so they don't say anything to anyone!
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"The most information-dense sites on the internet come from academic or hacker volunteers, for free. The New York Times is completely free if you install webwasher. The most flexible computer software is free..."
I have to disagree with you on some of these points. In order to use the NY Times for free, you have go through the extra work of webwasher, and while not 'hard', it's work. you also have to get the most flexible computer software to flex to where you want it... the UNIX Operating Sytems are examples. they may be technically 'free', but the amount of work required can be so complex that some would argue that it's not worth it. I feel it is, but I like that kind of work, it's more play then work.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"So, if advertisements don't work, then we'll have to pay a monthly fee to read slashdot. And go to any geocities page..."
I don't mind the advertisement at the top of Slashdot, it's small, to the point, and it doesn't intrude on my ability to read Slashdot. Sometimes I'm actually curious about what is being advertised, and most of what is listed is stuff I'd buy regardless of the ad. It just provides a convenient medium to get to the manufacturer or distributer. I don't like ads that are in places so far off their target audience (like the Troy-built Lawn tillers that are advertised on the Sci-Fi Channel every 5 freakin' minutes) that they shouldn't even bother to advertise, for they are just annoying people who don't want to hear it.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
If you don't like a site with ads, don't go to that site. If you don't like what is being advertised, don't buy it. Eventually, lack of profits will cause a change. If everyone realises this, the offenders will ultimately be screwed for advertising with no results. It's not rocket science, but if you do want something, you can't get it for nothing, you do have to 'pay' somehow, either through work, through putting up with something, or through money. Almost nothing comes free in this world.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"The article mentions unmanned rovers, not a manned mission."
Damn... I was hoping they'd send one of those annoying engineering professors that is only there because of tenure, so he could serve out his remaining time there...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
Looking at your recent posts, you're not doing any better...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
... and use it in a way that makes it accessible to people who should not use it, this sounds like a good idea. I've never been fond of people having more information on me then they need to do their jobs, but if it's already there then making it non-public is ALWAYS a good thing.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"...his experience in the field will Ximian and GNOME tremendously..."
Uh, I'm confused. is there supposed to be some kind of additional grammar object in there?
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
... they make it very hard to use the internet. Since our GNP is very low, we don't have very good infrastructure to supply us electricity or give us telephone lines to connect. We also only have one computer in my village, and since we use the village bicycle hooked up to power it, if someone has to go get supplies we cannot be on the internet. We are tending to winning the footraces with the other villages lately though since this internet thing came around. I hope some day our poor village will do better, so we can get a better bicycle to use to power the computer with a more comfortable seat, so we can not get shut off quite so many times in the day.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
... with Shareware BBS software... his door program's creator couldn't be found, and the door software was reporting that the SysOP was committing piracy, for the door had been unregistered for eight years... The problem was quickly solved when the 386's hard disk failed last year, losing the BBS software, a 5 year old TradeWars 2002 game, and lots of fidonet mail. So much for being the last BBS just about in this area...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"Anyway, don't think I am some religious nutball. I last went to church over 2 weeks ago, I just feel I have to add my voice to the growing millions who feel video games have gone too far."
Well, the last time that I went to church was sometime in 1993, and I have absolutely no intention of going back, nor do I buy in to people's views that are strongly dictated by religion. I've got friends who are very devout in their FAITH, not in the dogma of a religion. I can respect their beliefs. Also, they don't tell me what to do with myself. This isn't 'do unto others before they do unto you'...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
Sheesh. Yeah, the Oil companies like a dependance on oil - but they know this is coming. You'll note that many of them have been restyling themselves as "energy" companies as opposed to oil companies.
Personally, I don't think that I'd even mind too much if the oil companies themselves branch out into other energy sources and become "energy companies", it'd be less stressful to the economy, easier on employment, and they actually have the money to do sufficient R&D if they'd get off their asses and do it. Look at what happened to watchmakers who wouldn't accept a new paradigm, and entire countries in Europe went into recession when their only form of income was dashed by the quartz crystal... I don't want that to happen here.
The Oil companies are relatively good at distribution, relatively good at transportation (yes, there are notable exceptions, but they thankfully aren't the rule), and do understand how economics work, and they don't want to go out of business. I wouldn't even be too upset if these companies developed the engine systems themselves to get 200 - 300+ miles per gallon on gasoline (or some other combustible) and then licensed the technology to automanufacturers and such to create the cars. They'd still have their profit, the car companies wouldn't have to do nearly as much R&D, and we wouldn't have to depend on one of the most volitale parts of the world so we can keep driving...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
There is an exception to the attorney-client privilege called the "crime-fraud exception" which means that if a client uses his lawyer's services to commit a crime -- e.g., to commit a fraud, to pass a bad check to his creditors -- he has no privilege. But there's got to be some upfront showing that the client did in fact do that before a court will compel the client's attorney to testify.
Maybe the courts felt that the rampant lawsuits flung madly in all directions constitute fraud, hoping that someone would just give in and pay instead of fight and get it dropped. It's kind of along the lines of sending a bill to another company for services never rendered, hoping it'll slip through and get paid anyway. This was considered fraud too.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
I was wondering what directions you pictured RedHat Software taking, with how best to develop a Linux distribution, be it for home use, commercial use, or server use, or if you had originally had something in mind other than what has developed, and where do you think RedHat, as well as this community, should be heading?
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
I'd rather contribute to something that's concentrating on the skies and can't generate revenue than something that is being twisted into something that it's not, in this case the whole side use the company has for their daemon. All of the things people consider problems with SETI@home aside, its still a free project, and they don't make it very hard to participate at all. I'm lazy, and I like that.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
...based Centris 660AV, I'm using the "Penguin" loader, it's a mac version of loadlin basically. I haven't done it yet, but I'm wondering if I create a boot floppy for the mac with the pengiun app and a kernel on it if I can skip booting to the hard disk entirely, and that's what I'm hoping.
btw, running Debian m68K Linux on a 25MHz 68040 is REALLY SLOW!
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
... is "WTF is the secret service doing protecting the President when they're supposed to be dealing with money?!" Seriously, the Secret Service was drafted into the job after some assassination I think...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
Last time I got pumped full of grease, I put on 25 pounds.
Then the doctor told me I was pregnant.
Well, it'd have been even funnier if you were male...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
... like burning out your retinas with overdoing the power is a negative thing too...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
Hooray, Linux kernel x.x.x is released so why the big uproar? No this is not to start a flame war or troll about, but think about this for a second, Linux is releasing kernel revisions daily, yet Linux users complain about Windows fallacies on this subject and on that one, yet its Linux coming out with constant revisions and patches (which to me are equivalent to MS service packs or updates) yet no news is posted when Windows releases a patch.
the difference is that end users can actually FIX IT THEMSELVES if there's a bug, and they won't have to worry about getting their asses sued off...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."