I gone for a year and a half now with nary turning on the T.V. at all. Tuesday morning a buddy called and told me to turn on the T.V. and I've now been glued to the set. I was so fixated on events, I didn't even go to work nor bother even calling in until quite late in the day.
I went through something similar during the Gulf War in new addiction, although back then, it was more paper. It'll pass. Truly.
I've used Lisp professionally for about 18 months. Two major complaints will cause me to never go back:
1. Do a search on the web for various kinds of components, free source, and other third party stuff written in Lisp. The resources are very, very scarce.
2. Emacs. Lisp and emacs are close friends. I don't like emacs. I hate emacs. Any development environment which REQUIRES you to use a particular editor (and many Lisps come perilously close to doing just that) is not for me.
There has been recent legal movement to change the status of ISPs to be more analagous to public communication carriers ala the phone company. Since talk of "rights" makes you feel uncomfortable, what it comes down to is how the people decide to organize themselves and society. Civic society includes a moving SOCIAL CONTRACT in which the terms are occasionally mutated to fit the current view of how society ought to function.
There are arguments in favor of free speech which are leading in the public access direction. While I tend to favor the business contract, free trade, and competition amongst vendors point of view, I can see and understand the other argument and the goodness that it is trying to achieve.
Apple routinely uses Photo Shop to demonstrate the potential of its boxes. That's just plain nonsense. There is a reason Apple avoids the Spec organization like the plague, you know.
>Usually the latter turns out to be some baroque conglomeration of features piled on features, creating a very top heavy feeling to the language, while the former classification languages all have a purity to them, e.g. smalltalk, lisp,....
Have you actually programmed in LISP? There has to be a good dozen and a half unique looping forms in the language. LISP is not "pure," it's the friggin' kitchen sink.
>> shielded by one or two words of the English langugage...
>Um, what exactly does this mean?
Read the U.S. Copyright Code, Criminal Prosecution section and find out yourself. The section which keeps at-home pirates from being criminals isn't the magnitude of the crime, but that they are not doing so for a profit. That's a slim difference indeed, and easily redressed by the small stroke of the legislative pen (which, IMO, it should be).
As for your "we're on oppposite sides" statement: if you are outright against intellectual property, say so. Don't dissemble and misdirect by cloaking yourself in a affectation of fair use.
>> arrogance of redefining a word like "piracy"...
Ignorant! "Piracy" as a word describing intellectual property theft has been around for decades and is in common use.
>...public's right to fair use of copyright materials... [snip]...from the shutdown of Napster...
I've talked with a great many people about their usage patterns and their Napster software. And you know what? Not one -- not a single one! -- was limiting their behavior to "fair use". They were all pirates, engaging in massive civil violations under Title 18 of the U.S. Copyright Code, shielded by one or two words of the English langugage in the code itself from actual criminal violations of the statute.
I'm getting sick and tired -- really sick and tired! -- of hearing all of this whining from people who have a genuine hidden agenda. They just love to exclaim about their "fair use rights" while at the same time massively violating the rights of others. Obviously, these folks are forgetting the other R:
With rgihts, come responsibilities. Perhaps I should spell it: R-E-S-P-O-N-S-I-B-I-L-I-T-Y. There. Is that so hard?
Grow up, child. The adults are getting really tired of wiping your ass, changing your diapers, and wiping snot off your nose. It's well past time to become a contributing member of our society and stop being a leech.
Mr. Manning new damned well what he was doing and deserved what he got.
>Are you saying that your employer pays you 4 cents a second?
I can see you haven't done any costing before.:)
I'm saying I COST my employer about 4 cents a second to employ. It's common for the actual COST OF EMPLOYMENT to the employer to be in the 1.5-3X range for an employee's salary. In some industries this even creeps up to 4X, although that's rare. Please keep in mind that vacation, holiday, sick leave, health insurance, social security, bonuses, 401K, office space, and so forth aren't actually all FREE.
And yes, you did your math right. I easily cost in the $288k per year range. A little more, probably.
>Say you're paying a developer who does such stuff $2K/week...
Of course you're right; but you've actually understated your case. For example, it's typical for a software developer to COST THE COMPANY from anywhere from 1.5 to 3 times their annual salary in terms of overhead, hidden expenses, bonuses, 401K, social security, medical, vacation, sick
leave, holiday. and so on. So that developer who is being paid $2K/week may very well cost the company a full $5K a week to employ. A quarter-million per year total cost of employment for a software developer isn't unusual at all.
Even for expensive processors, it doesn't take long at all to recoup the additional hardware investment in productivity gains. Assuming that your developer isn't goofing off on Slashdot, of course.:)
I cost my employer a little more than 4 cents
a second to employ. So, if a CPU costs 40
dollars more, a mere 17 minutes saving to my
time pays for the difference.
"After reading the article it looks like Intel is much better at making compilers then it is at making it's processor."
----
Well, consider what they are doing with Itanic, and you will realize that they absolutely *HAVE* to have a world-class compiler team. Itanic would otherwise fall flat on its face, the way it moves all of the branch-prediction and parallelism code over to the compiler.
"they run asynchronously in real-time."
----
That would lead one application to vastly outpace another, and furthermore introduce an entire category of entropy related problems.
In some ways, however, the problems are LESS severe, because in federations of HLA systems, one always trusts the other system to do what it's supposed to do and not cheat.
In case anyone is wondering by the way, HLA is nothing more than a glorified way of communicating TIME-SYNCHRONIZED data to and from the peers and having each agree about when the event occurred. Primitives are also included to make certain that the peers themselves stay lock-stepped in time and agree about what time it is.
While you're analysis is correct, it's not far-seeing; for example, many GPL efforts are collaborative, and GPL licensors collect revisions to their base during development. These revisions are most often destributed back to them under the GPL; this can forever bind the particpants together as mutual licensors. The product goes forever into the GPL and cannot escape.
"Yet, they shell out well over $200,000 a year to MS for licensing fees. Hmm, that's anywhere from 2 to 5 IT professionals' salaries".
----
Actually, it's barely one. You're forgetting the "overall cost of employment". It's often 3x salary or more.
"Every $80,000 employee costs the corporation over $120,000 in salary, taxes, benefits, etc, PER YEAR."
----
It's actually quite a bit more than this. The overhead costs of a particular IT employee typically venture into the 2,3, and even (although rarely) 4x base salary range. Where I work is close to 3x.
West Germany on one side, East German on the other. The same people, with the same social background, the same social mores, the same education levels. Practically a controlled scientific experiment:
"I hold firm that integrating the video card onto the motherboard is, for the most part, "silly".
--
Yes and no. There will be *tons* of demand for this part, and it will help AMD and Nvidia both make major headway into the laptop community in particular, which could be an outstanding volume market for them. READ: "Economies of scale."
That said, I personally would have preferred a solution where they took the entire silicon budget for the on-die graphics and replaced it with a large L3 cache. They might also have sped up the EV6 interconnect to the chipset (not to memory, to the chipset). With a very large L3 on-chipset-die, and a high CPU-chipset bus frequency, this thing would be an incredible workstation solution. Particularly if they supported MP with it.
--
"Now, if you can put the CPU, videocard, soundcard, and ethernet adaptor all on the main processor..."
I can see why you think that, but really. Ethernet's ethernet, and to many people, so is sound. There is coming a day where ALL of these things will be integrated onto a single die for <$100. If you want to upgrade to get new features, you spend $100. Whoopdie, doo dah.
Slashdot Mirror
Geothermal plants in the Aleutians: create
hydrogen, and transport it to where it needs to
be used.
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I gone for a year and a half now with nary turning on the T.V. at all. Tuesday morning a buddy called and told me to turn on the T.V. and I've now been glued to the set. I was so fixated on events, I didn't even go to work nor bother even calling in until quite late in the day.
I went through something similar during the Gulf War in new addiction, although back then, it was more paper. It'll pass. Truly.
C//
I've used Lisp professionally for about 18 months. Two major complaints will cause me to never go back:
1. Do a search on the web for various kinds of components, free source, and other third party stuff written in Lisp. The resources are very, very scarce.
2. Emacs. Lisp and emacs are close friends. I don't like emacs. I hate emacs. Any development environment which REQUIRES you to use a particular editor (and many Lisps come perilously close to doing just that) is not for me.
I'll never willingly use Lisp again.
C//
There has been recent legal movement to change the status of ISPs to be more analagous to public communication carriers ala the phone company. Since talk of "rights" makes you feel uncomfortable, what it comes down to is how the people decide to organize themselves and society. Civic society includes a moving SOCIAL CONTRACT in which the terms are occasionally mutated to fit the current view of how society ought to function.
There are arguments in favor of free speech which are leading in the public access direction. While I tend to favor the business contract, free trade, and competition amongst vendors point of view, I can see and understand the other argument and the goodness that it is trying to achieve.
Hopefully, you can too.
C//
Apple routinely uses Photo Shop to demonstrate the potential of its boxes. That's just plain nonsense. There is a reason Apple avoids the Spec organization like the plague, you know.
C//
>Usually the latter turns out to be some baroque conglomeration of features piled on features, creating a very top heavy feeling to the language, while the former classification languages all have a purity to them, e.g. smalltalk, lisp, ....
Have you actually programmed in LISP? There has to be a good dozen and a half unique looping forms in the language. LISP is not "pure," it's the friggin' kitchen sink.
C//
It's Title *18* which establishes criminal penalties for copyright violation, *not* 17.
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>> shielded by one or two words of the English langugage...
>Um, what exactly does this mean?
Read the U.S. Copyright Code, Criminal Prosecution section and find out yourself. The section which keeps at-home pirates from being criminals isn't the magnitude of the crime, but that they are not doing so for a profit. That's a slim difference indeed, and easily redressed by the small stroke of the legislative pen (which, IMO, it should be).
As for your "we're on oppposite sides" statement: if you are outright against intellectual property, say so. Don't dissemble and misdirect by cloaking yourself in a affectation of fair use.
>> arrogance of redefining a word like "piracy"...
Ignorant! "Piracy" as a word describing intellectual property theft has been around for decades and is in common use.
C//
>...public's right to fair use of copyright materials... [snip] ...from the shutdown of Napster...
I've talked with a great many people about their usage patterns and their Napster software. And you know what? Not one -- not a single one! -- was limiting their behavior to "fair use". They were all pirates, engaging in massive civil violations under Title 18 of the U.S. Copyright Code, shielded by one or two words of the English langugage in the code itself from actual criminal violations of the statute.
I'm getting sick and tired -- really sick and tired! -- of hearing all of this whining from people who have a genuine hidden agenda. They just love to exclaim about their "fair use rights" while at the same time massively violating the rights of others. Obviously, these folks are forgetting the other R:
With rgihts, come responsibilities. Perhaps I should spell it: R-E-S-P-O-N-S-I-B-I-L-I-T-Y. There. Is that so hard?
Grow up, child. The adults are getting really tired of wiping your ass, changing your diapers, and wiping snot off your nose. It's well past time to become a contributing member of our society and stop being a leech.
Mr. Manning new damned well what he was doing and deserved what he got.
Joe Kraska
San Diego
CA
Nope. I meant 4 cents a second, just what I said.
It's quite common for software developers to cost at or more than $250,000 a year to employ.
C//
>Are you saying that your employer pays you 4 cents a second?
:)
I can see you haven't done any costing before.
I'm saying I COST my employer about 4 cents a second to employ. It's common for the actual COST OF EMPLOYMENT to the employer to be in the 1.5-3X range for an employee's salary. In some industries this even creeps up to 4X, although that's rare. Please keep in mind that vacation, holiday, sick leave, health insurance, social security, bonuses, 401K, office space, and so forth aren't actually all FREE.
And yes, you did your math right. I easily cost in the $288k per year range. A little more, probably.
C//
>Say you're paying a developer who does such stuff $2K/week...
:)
Of course you're right; but you've actually understated your case. For example, it's typical for a software developer to COST THE COMPANY from anywhere from 1.5 to 3 times their annual salary in terms of overhead, hidden expenses, bonuses, 401K, social security, medical, vacation, sick
leave, holiday. and so on. So that developer who is being paid $2K/week may very well cost the company a full $5K a week to employ. A quarter-million per year total cost of employment for a software developer isn't unusual at all.
Even for expensive processors, it doesn't take long at all to recoup the additional hardware investment in productivity gains. Assuming that your developer isn't goofing off on Slashdot, of course.
C//
I cost my employer a little more than 4 cents
a second to employ. So, if a CPU costs 40
dollars more, a mere 17 minutes saving to my
time pays for the difference.
C//
"After reading the article it looks like Intel is much better at making compilers then it is at making it's processor."
----
Well, consider what they are doing with Itanic, and you will realize that they absolutely *HAVE* to have a world-class compiler team. Itanic would otherwise fall flat on its face, the way it moves all of the branch-prediction and parallelism code over to the compiler.
C//
"they run asynchronously in real-time."
----
That would lead one application to vastly outpace another, and furthermore introduce an entire category of entropy related problems.
C//
In some ways, however, the problems are LESS severe, because in federations of HLA systems, one always trusts the other system to do what it's supposed to do and not cheat.
In case anyone is wondering by the way, HLA is nothing more than a glorified way of communicating TIME-SYNCHRONIZED data to and from the peers and having each agree about when the event occurred. Primitives are also included to make certain that the peers themselves stay lock-stepped in time and agree about what time it is.
C//
The folks who rated this "Troll" have no sense of humor at all; can no one understand dry humor? Boggle me.
C//
Ideas cannot be owned, so they cannot be stolen.
C//
While you're analysis is correct, it's not far-seeing; for example, many GPL efforts are collaborative, and GPL licensors collect revisions to their base during development. These revisions are most often destributed back to them under the GPL; this can forever bind the particpants together as mutual licensors. The product goes forever into the GPL and cannot escape.
C//
Transistor packing on such a processor would be so tight, you could have 256 MB right on the CPU, *EASY*.
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http://www.openmap.net/
"Yet, they shell out well over $200,000 a year to MS for licensing fees. Hmm, that's anywhere from 2 to 5 IT professionals' salaries".
----
Actually, it's barely one. You're forgetting the "overall cost of employment". It's often 3x salary or more.
C//
"Every $80,000 employee costs the corporation over $120,000 in salary, taxes, benefits, etc, PER YEAR."
----
It's actually quite a bit more than this. The overhead costs of a particular IT employee typically venture into the 2,3, and even (although rarely) 4x base salary range. Where I work is close to 3x.
C//
Hmmmm.
West Germany on one side, East German on the other. The same people, with the same social background, the same social mores, the same education levels. Practically a controlled scientific experiment:
On one side, communism.
On the other, the free market.
On one side, misery and tyranny.
On the other, a land of plenty and progress.
I rest my case.
C//
p.s. paraphrasing Milton Friedman
"I hold firm that integrating the video card onto the motherboard is, for the most part, "silly".
--
Yes and no. There will be *tons* of demand for this part, and it will help AMD and Nvidia both make major headway into the laptop community in particular, which could be an outstanding volume market for them. READ: "Economies of scale."
That said, I personally would have preferred a solution where they took the entire silicon budget for the on-die graphics and replaced it with a large L3 cache. They might also have sped up the EV6 interconnect to the chipset (not to memory, to the chipset). With a very large L3 on-chipset-die, and a high CPU-chipset bus frequency, this thing would be an incredible workstation solution. Particularly if they supported MP with it.
--
"Now, if you can put the CPU, videocard, soundcard, and ethernet adaptor all on the main processor..."
I can see why you think that, but really. Ethernet's ethernet, and to many people, so is sound. There is coming a day where ALL of these things will be integrated onto a single die for <$100. If you want to upgrade to get new features, you spend $100. Whoopdie, doo dah.
C//