I am a Debian user. I like the old day, at least as far back as I go in Linux (1999). I use the terminal for a file manager and for all sysadmin jobs. I use CLI/TUI apps for atom/rss feeds, music, irc and IM (xmpp).
However, I think udev is great, and upstart looks very promising. Hal has some problems, but mostly in implementation, hopefully DeviceKit will fix that.
I usually recommend Ubuntu for new Linux users, but I can't stand it personally.
Some of the Bebop songs with lyrics: Mushroom Hunting Green Bird Rain The Real Folk Blues Fantaisie Sign Want It All Back Don't Bother None The Singing Sea Words That We Couldn't Say Call Me Call Me See You Space Cowboy...
Because they aren't craptacular, and not all 2d-only?
nv is 2d, but pretty good within that realm, and Radeon and RadeonHD are excellent 2d drivers, and are excellent 3d drivers for the cards they currently support (which is a pretty large number). And Intel 2d and 3d drivers are also excellent, as far as the integrated chips allow.
Yes, clearly Debian should change the defaults to Vim instead of OO.o/KOffice, Newsbeuter instead of Liferea/Akregator, xmms2 instead of Rhythmbox/Amarok, SeaMonkey/IceApe instead of Firefox/Iceweasel and Awesome instead of Gnome/KDE
Ah, a real world RadeonHD user! Until I recently got an Intel MB with a GMA x3500, I was using Radeon and a Radeon 9550, which was great for my desktop and Quake III.
I was wondering how the high-end, modern cards were working. Does that card have any 3d yet? If so, have you used it? Does it work well?
>Without 3D acceleration you won't even have xvideo or opengl video output.
Baloney. XV works fine without 3d.
And even if you have 3d that doesn't mean it supports offloading the processing to the GPU. Only a few of the most recent drivers with recent Xorg and Mesa support any GPU offloading for video.
nv will never have 3D. nv is OSS, but it is put out by Nvidia and the source is obfuscated. The reverse engineered Nouveau driver, on the other hand, will have 3D eventually.
Anyway, I found the OSS Radeon driver works fine for my 3d needs (admittedly that is mostly limited to Quake III, but whatever).
I don't care who the cast is, it still sounds like a bad idea.
I think I am going to go watch the entire series right now to wash the very idea out of my mind.
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The "gnome" (2.24) package in Debian Sid/Experimental does not depend on anything that uses Mono. The closest it comes is a "recommends" for Tomboy.
I don't feel that lacking a feature-stuffed note application makes it not a full Gnome Desktop.
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Evolution's hook isn't optional.
from the Evo bug report: --enable-mono=no
The other do not have Mono hooks, they are written in Mono.
Mono is more embedded in Gnome with every passing month and I've yet to see any evidence whatsoever that the trend will reverse.
I have yet to see any evidence that "Mono is more embedded in Gnome with every passing month"
All Miguel Icaza talks about is how Mono is the future of Gnome. As a major Gnome developer, I'll take his word over yours.
He is one of very few who think that. If you read Planet Gnome and some of the mailing lists, you will quickly see that Gnome is not going to depend on Mono anytime soon, and probably not ever.
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Oh Noes! There are *optional* *hooks* for Mono in many apps! The horror!
Evo can support Mono plugins (but no default plugin is Mono) and this bug (now fixed) forced the main Evolution package to require Mono when built with Mono plugin support.
So Evo is not, in fact, dependent on Mono.
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>Fact is, KDE 4, even 4.2, still has some horrendous UI issues [kde.org] that the developers just dismiss.
I am not seeing a real problem in that bug report...
I also don't see why you would move from Gnome to KDE to avoid Mono. There are only about 3 or 4 well known Gnome apps that use Mono, and all have alternatives. It is easy to run a full Gnome desktop without having any Mono installed.
>behaves in weird and freaky ways unlike any other desktop environment.
I would say different, rather than weird and freaky, and really that is the point of Plasma et al - to be different, and try new ideas.
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I just started Psi (cold start) in less than 2 seconds (profile loaded, connected to server). Granted, this is a C2D @ 2.66 GHz with DDR2 800, but I remember it being quick on my Athlon XP @ 1.8 GHz with DDR 333.
In general, I have found KDE4 apps to start up fast, faster than the KDE3 counterparts. Starts are very reasonable even when all the KDE background services need to be stared first (most of the time, since I use Awesome, not KDE).
4-5 second start for background + Konqueror just now.
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I am a Debian user. I like the old day, at least as far back as I go in Linux (1999). I use the terminal for a file manager and for all sysadmin jobs. I use CLI/TUI apps for atom/rss feeds, music, irc and IM (xmpp).
However, I think udev is great, and upstart looks very promising. Hal has some problems, but mostly in implementation, hopefully DeviceKit will fix that.
I usually recommend Ubuntu for new Linux users, but I can't stand it personally.
Ein is 3rd or 4th most awesome character, after Spike, Ed and maybe Vicious.
Some of the Bebop songs with lyrics:
Mushroom Hunting
Green Bird
Rain
The Real Folk Blues
Fantaisie Sign
Want It All Back
Don't Bother None
The Singing Sea
Words That We Couldn't Say
Call Me Call Me
See You Space Cowboy...
>use craptacular 2D support only "free" drivers?
Because they aren't craptacular, and not all 2d-only?
nv is 2d, but pretty good within that realm, and Radeon and RadeonHD are excellent 2d drivers, and are excellent 3d drivers for the cards they currently support (which is a pretty large number). And Intel 2d and 3d drivers are also excellent, as far as the integrated chips allow.
You can do the same with Radeon
>playing games through WINE, or someone interested in graphics performance?
those people use Radeon
Yes, clearly Debian should change the defaults to Vim instead of OO.o/KOffice, Newsbeuter instead of Liferea/Akregator, xmms2 instead of Rhythmbox/Amarok, SeaMonkey/IceApe instead of Firefox/Iceweasel and Awesome instead of Gnome/KDE
Most of us are smart enough not to buy nvidia
>2009
no, 2007 was
Debian user here
participating
Why does my Tesla Roadster (Debian) not feel like my broken down old 1980s Civic (Windows)?
hmmm, even 173.14 (unstable, I guess) says it supports up to 7800 GTX
>unstable
For me, aptitude has 180.22 available. I guess that might be Experimental, though.
aptitude install nvidia-glx
Fixed
Ah, a real world RadeonHD user! Until I recently got an Intel MB with a GMA x3500, I was using Radeon and a Radeon 9550, which was great for my desktop and Quake III.
I was wondering how the high-end, modern cards were working. Does that card have any 3d yet? If so, have you used it? Does it work well?
>Without 3D acceleration you won't even have xvideo or opengl video output.
Baloney. XV works fine without 3d.
And even if you have 3d that doesn't mean it supports offloading the processing to the GPU. Only a few of the most recent drivers with recent Xorg and Mesa support any GPU offloading for video.
>nv driver does not yet support 3D Acceleration
nv will never have 3D. nv is OSS, but it is put out by Nvidia and the source is obfuscated. The reverse engineered Nouveau driver, on the other hand, will have 3D eventually.
Anyway, I found the OSS Radeon driver works fine for my 3d needs (admittedly that is mostly limited to Quake III, but whatever).
The non-gui, expert mode of the current Debian installer is still pretty good.
I don't care who the cast is, it still sounds like a bad idea.
I think I am going to go watch the entire series right now to wash the very idea out of my mind.
The "gnome" (2.24) package in Debian Sid/Experimental does not depend on anything that uses Mono. The closest it comes is a "recommends" for Tomboy.
I don't feel that lacking a feature-stuffed note application makes it not a full Gnome Desktop.
Evolution's hook isn't optional.
from the Evo bug report:
--enable-mono=no
The other do not have Mono hooks, they are written in Mono.
Mono is more embedded in Gnome with every passing month and I've yet to see any evidence whatsoever that the trend will reverse.
I have yet to see any evidence that "Mono is more embedded in Gnome with every passing month"
All Miguel Icaza talks about is how Mono is the future of Gnome. As a major Gnome developer, I'll take his word over yours.
He is one of very few who think that. If you read Planet Gnome and some of the mailing lists, you will quickly see that Gnome is not going to depend on Mono anytime soon, and probably not ever.
Oh Noes! There are *optional* *hooks* for Mono in many apps! The horror!
Dunno why that would be the case in SuSE, but here in Debian Sid, Evolution 2.22 has no Mono dependency.
Looking into it a bit more it is a simple bug:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=549025
Evo can support Mono plugins (but no default plugin is Mono) and this bug (now fixed) forced the main Evolution package to require Mono when built with Mono plugin support.
So Evo is not, in fact, dependent on Mono.
>Fact is, KDE 4, even 4.2, still has some horrendous UI issues [kde.org] that the developers just dismiss.
I am not seeing a real problem in that bug report...
I also don't see why you would move from Gnome to KDE to avoid Mono. There are only about 3 or 4 well known Gnome apps that use Mono, and all have alternatives. It is easy to run a full Gnome desktop without having any Mono installed.
>behaves in weird and freaky ways unlike any other desktop environment.
I would say different, rather than weird and freaky, and really that is the point of Plasma et al - to be different, and try new ideas.
I just started Psi (cold start) in less than 2 seconds (profile loaded, connected to server). Granted, this is a C2D @ 2.66 GHz with DDR2 800, but I remember it being quick on my Athlon XP @ 1.8 GHz with DDR 333.
In general, I have found KDE4 apps to start up fast, faster than the KDE3 counterparts. Starts are very reasonable even when all the KDE background services need to be stared first (most of the time, since I use Awesome, not KDE).
4-5 second start for background + Konqueror just now.