At the last moment however extra pages were added giving the UK armed forces wide powers to board radio ships in international waters and silence them using whatever force was thought appropriate.
Radio Caroline History Of course, the Radio Caroline site is hardly an unbiased source, and IANAIL.
Does Sealand have an Internet suffix?.sl belongs to Sierra Leone, I guess not. Bah, if Tuvalu has a suffix and can rent it (.tv), and Sealand doesn't, then they aren't a country.:^)
Perhaps. I don't recall if any of those radio stations tried the "sovereign nation" defence. Still, Britain did pass a bill making it legal to shut them down in international waters. (In fact, legal for anyone to shut them down, no damages, no erasies.)
When you boil it down, it's just a bunch of guys on a rusting gun platform. Do you really they'd get any kind of status in court other than private citizens? Who recognizes them as a sovereign nation?
Basically the way things work in the UK is that people can pretty much do what they please so long as they appear to be harmless. MI5 probably prefer to have all the HavenCo customers where they can see them and tap them than have them scatterted all over the place.
It'd be easy enough to tap any fibre cables Sealand has (have to find some work for those subs), and a satellite connection without really good encryption might as well be broadcast in clear.
If Sealand wasn't there to provide a "secure" data haven, MI5 would probably have to start their own. (Now there's a thought: Privatize the NSA! [Of course, some might claim that the CIA has already gone partially private-sector.])
*snort*! As I posted nearby, Britain has already done exactly that sort of thing with pirate radio stations. They passed a bill making it legal to shut them down.
If Sealand ever became a pain in the ass, they would do the same thing again. What was it that Machiavelli said about princes always being able to find an excuse? It's still true today.
I seem to recall that Britan raided a few of the "independent" pirate radio stations of the '60's/'70's. Radio Caroline, etc. I'd Google for a ref, but I'm too lazy and I don't need the karma. Ah what the hell: Radio Caroline"At this time all British broadcasting was being overhauled by means of the 1990 Broadcasting Act. Caroline examined the draft document but found only minor reference to marine radio. At the last moment however extra pages were added giving the UK armed forces wide powers to board radio ships in international waters and silence them using whatever force was thought appropriate. To block any possibility of legal redress, such as that which O'Rahilly was already seeking after the 1989 raid, future boarders whoever they may be were to be granted immunity from prosecution. It was a dreadful piece of legislation which one would only expect from a totalitarian state. Caroline fought in the British House Of Lords supported by 29 Peers but the government won. The Broadcasting Act would become law in the first moments of 1991."
I suppose that could be stretched to cover a data haven. (Or just pass another law.)
I can do better than that: I have a telephony app that will read the story of Xenu. However, it's currently broken because Microsoft, in its infinite wizbang, decided that only Win2000 should run telephony apps.
I never did finish the telephone solicitor app that would keep inserting "Yeah", "Uh huh", "Hmmm", etc into the conversation. Could have been fun.
I've only seen the PPG tv show, and I do notice that they toss in some references for adults. For example, when Mojo Jojo says "Three is right out" or when a magician pulls a moose out of the hat, "Are you talking to me?"...
Hell, they even snuck stuff into The Big Guy and Rusty: "Looks like number two hit the fan". There's an art to sneaking things into kids shows -- none of that crude Disney pornography!:^)
Imagine if a significant percentage of XP users shift to NIST. They all sync at the same time every four hours, *thunk*! (I think it was 4 hours, I'm too lazy to go back and check.)
A random (done once and kept as a constant) offset within the four hours for each machine would be more polite.
I normally just set my computers off my old "digital" flip-leaf clock (based on power-line 60 Hz) The computer was fast by 16 seconds when I checked, which is close enough for my needs.
On an off-topic note, Pittsburgh is one of the few places to win the fight when the post office went around "standardizing" the spelling of place names.
So, when will you all just up and block all the evil tier1 providers? Have you at least blocked WorldCom/UUnet? Please, for the sake of everyone's sanity: either shit or get off the pot.
Umm, who's this "you all" that you're talking to? Do you imagine that all of nanae is part of an organized conspiracy or something? (On Usenet?!) Three words: shiny side out. (Mumble, abuse desk Kooks, mumble...:^) (Yes, you did use tinya, points.) I'm a member of the ARSCC [wdne] too.
Completely blocking a tier 1 all at once would be irresponsible, and would cause people who trust the block-lists they use, not to trust them. You should instead expect [ians] to be nibbled to death by ducks. A/24 here, a/16 there, soon or later it adds up to spare change.
Personally, do you like having spammers as long-term clients? Do you see spam as a problem to be blown off as the province of kooks or a long term threat that, alas, is low on the priority ladder?
Source for quote "The stakes are high for aggressive marketers eager to break through the clutter. Companies will blitz consumers with more than 430 billion e-mail advertisements this year. By 2006, that figure is expected to reach more than 960 billion. It is, by any standard, a lot of spam." All that and a bag of chips!
Eh, this has probably gone far enough in Slashdot. If you want to take it further, have your spamtrap email my spamtrap.
Since your "abuse" department is far too busy to get around to dealing with spammers in violation of your TOS, I question your data about user block complaints.
(This assumes that you actually do work for a tier 1 provider, and aren't just trolling. [Hope it's not Worldcom/MCI/UUNET!] *sniff*sniff*, you've posted to nanae before, I recognize that scent.)
"Most of our customers understand that the blacklists are not well run and the info with in them are inaccurate. They call the ISP that is blocking them and explain the situation and those ISP either whitelist them or stop using the black list."
The abuse departments at these companies handle more then spam. They handle child porn, death threats, suicide threats, bomb threats, hacking, DoS attacks, issues with LEOs, and spam. Spam is the least critical issue. I am sorry, but a missing 12 year old girl has priority over your penis enlargement spam.
No worries. And when your customers start calling because a lot of their email is blocked by people who got tired of waiting for you to fix your problem?
Umm, who did you respond to? Almost all the time the spammer forges the From and ReplyTo lines with either a bogus address, or the address of some innocent (or an antispam type person).
If you're not interpreting the Received lines and the info in the body of the spam, you're only adding to the problem.
"Hell if I didn't carry the spammers traffic then someone else would"
The current answer, while tough, seems to work:
Block the spammer's IP, and complain to his ISP. If the ISP takes no action or hops the spam to a new address, block a/24 (256 IPs) of the ISP regardless of which customers of the ISP is using them. If the ISP continues to ignore complains, expand the list. Rinse, Repeat.
If ISPs are given the choice of having either spammers or legit customers, either way, you won't get any more spam from that ISP. The collateral damage isn't pretty, but the block-lists aren't the ones using honest customers as human shields. Spam-friendly ISP will either have to reform or provide intranet service.
Pin-point blocking has been tried for years. Frequently the ISP would just shift the spammers around. This isn't the happy-fun Internet any more, and spammers helped make it that way.
Perhaps 10 years ago, you could have done it, and no one would have complained too much, but times have changed. All the creeps have pissed in the pot and poisoned the well.
The other problem with "legitimate" offers like that is that they don't scale up. What I mean by that is if 10 businesses send me an offer in a year, no big deal. What if 100,000 do it? What if small businesses around the world do it? Even if they all had a valid remove, I'd still be opting out all day long.
And some even with a valid remove, don't keep a "do not email" list, they only remove my record. Then, when they get another "millions" CD and merge it, I'm back on the list.
Slashdot Mirror
Principality of Sealand
c/o Sealand Postmaster
Box 3
Felixstowe, Suffolk IP11 9SZ
UK
Domain Name: SEALANDGOV.COM
So much for sovereignty.
Radio Caroline History Of course, the Radio Caroline site is hardly an unbiased source, and IANAIL.
Does Sealand have an Internet suffix? .sl belongs to Sierra Leone, I guess not. Bah, if Tuvalu has a suffix and can rent it (.tv), and Sealand doesn't, then they aren't a country. :^)
When you boil it down, it's just a bunch of guys on a rusting gun platform. Do you really they'd get any kind of status in court other than private citizens? Who recognizes them as a sovereign nation?
It'd be easy enough to tap any fibre cables Sealand has (have to find some work for those subs), and a satellite connection without really good encryption might as well be broadcast in clear.
If Sealand wasn't there to provide a "secure" data haven, MI5 would probably have to start their own. (Now there's a thought: Privatize the NSA! [Of course, some might claim that the CIA has already gone partially private-sector.])
If Sealand ever became a pain in the ass, they would do the same thing again. What was it that Machiavelli said about princes always being able to find an excuse? It's still true today.
Oops, wrong quote. "...from the barrel of a gun", right?
I suppose that could be stretched to cover a data haven. (Or just pass another law.)
I never did finish the telephone solicitor app that would keep inserting "Yeah", "Uh huh", "Hmmm", etc into the conversation. Could have been fun.
$cientology was looking for Major Domo. I think it had something to do with an FTP server on [127.0.0.1] with copyrighted material.
Huh, if they want to sell some Dells, they should be trying to contact King George III.
They laughed at Galileo, they laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Einstein.
Yeah, but they laughed at Bozo the clown too.
Being riduculed not make one great.
Would it make you happy if you could Mod Parent up?
No, they just ran a program to insert their BBS advert into the zip file which said that they'd checked it.
He'll just sign them up to his fan club. Moby gets his own back on hate emailers
Hell, they even snuck stuff into The Big Guy and Rusty: "Looks like number two hit the fan". There's an art to sneaking things into kids shows -- none of that crude Disney pornography! :^)
A random (done once and kept as a constant) offset within the four hours for each machine would be more polite.
I normally just set my computers off my old "digital" flip-leaf clock (based on power-line 60 Hz) The computer was fast by 16 seconds when I checked, which is close enough for my needs.
Imagine spamming the planet for some crappy (heh)local septic tank company... Why yes, my apartment could use a septic tank!
On an off-topic note, Pittsburgh is one of the few places to win the fight when the post office went around "standardizing" the spelling of place names.
Umm, who's this "you all" that you're talking to? Do you imagine that all of nanae is part of an organized conspiracy or something? (On Usenet?!) Three words: shiny side out. (Mumble, abuse desk Kooks, mumble... :^) (Yes, you did use tinya, points.) I'm a member of the ARSCC [wdne] too.
Completely blocking a tier 1 all at once would be irresponsible, and would cause people who trust the block-lists they use, not to trust them. You should instead expect [ians] to be nibbled to death by ducks. A /24 here, a /16 there, soon or later it adds up to spare change.
Personally, do you like having spammers as long-term clients? Do you see spam as a problem to be blown off as the province of kooks or a long term threat that, alas, is low on the priority ladder?
Source for quote "The stakes are high for aggressive marketers eager to break through the clutter. Companies will blitz consumers with more than 430 billion e-mail advertisements this year. By 2006, that figure is expected to reach more than 960 billion. It is, by any standard, a lot of spam." All that and a bag of chips!
Eh, this has probably gone far enough in Slashdot. If you want to take it further, have your spamtrap email my spamtrap.
(This assumes that you actually do work for a tier 1 provider, and aren't just trolling. [Hope it's not Worldcom/MCI/UUNET!] *sniff*sniff*, you've posted to nanae before, I recognize that scent.)
"Most of our customers understand that the blacklists are not well run and the info with in them are inaccurate. They call the ISP that is blocking them and explain the situation and those ISP either whitelist them or stop using the black list."
Pull the other one, it's got Bell on it.
Who are you redirecting back to? Spammer forge those lines in the headers. You're only adding to the problem.
No worries. And when your customers start calling because a lot of their email is blocked by people who got tired of waiting for you to fix your problem?
If you're not interpreting the Received lines and the info in the body of the spam, you're only adding to the problem.
The current answer, while tough, seems to work: Block the spammer's IP, and complain to his ISP. If the ISP takes no action or hops the spam to a new address, block a /24 (256 IPs) of the ISP regardless of which customers of the ISP is using them. If the ISP continues to ignore complains, expand the list. Rinse, Repeat.
If ISPs are given the choice of having either spammers or legit customers, either way, you won't get any more spam from that ISP. The collateral damage isn't pretty, but the block-lists aren't the ones using honest customers as human shields. Spam-friendly ISP will either have to reform or provide intranet service.
Pin-point blocking has been tried for years. Frequently the ISP would just shift the spammers around. This isn't the happy-fun Internet any more, and spammers helped make it that way.
Perhaps 10 years ago, you could have done it, and no one would have complained too much, but times have changed. All the creeps have pissed in the pot and poisoned the well.
The other problem with "legitimate" offers like that is that they don't scale up. What I mean by that is if 10 businesses send me an offer in a year, no big deal. What if 100,000 do it? What if small businesses around the world do it? Even if they all had a valid remove, I'd still be opting out all day long.
And some even with a valid remove, don't keep a "do not email" list, they only remove my record. Then, when they get another "millions" CD and merge it, I'm back on the list.
My mailbox, my property, my rules.