vi? vi? Do you snap your suspenders and tug your beard as you pine for the days of pine over a 300 baud line?
Since I switch a lot between vi/nvi/vim, depending on what's available (protip: vim usually isn't), yeah, it makes sense to learn the common subset first, which is basically the functionality vi implements. Besides, pine?
Real men/women [...] use VIM.
Real men/women use what's there.
[...] furry creatures from Alpha centauri [...]
Trying to be funny -- you're doing it wrong.
And they use the cursor keys...because they have a keyboard with actual cursor keys instead of a ADM3A terminal.
hjkl are much closer to the rest of the alphanumeric block, since they are, well, on the home row. It's fine if you like constantly switching between there and the cursor keys, or probably the mouse, just don't tell me how I should do things, especially when you're unable to give rationale.
You'd think that terminal makers never used a Selectric.
I can't imagine anyone using the vi shortcuts (k for up and, going clockwise, u l n j b h and y).
Imagine harder then, I don't know anyone who'd play it on the numpad, sounds rather inconvenient because all the other keys are on the main alphanumeric block.
In fact, I originally started to play nethack in order to get comfortable with hjkl for later use in vi. Worked great. (As an unexpected side effect I got horribly addicted though)
If you want the really real deal though, you need a linux/unix machine, and you need to play the ncurses command line version in a terminal.
If you want the really real deal, you,,telnet nethack.alt.org'', which a) works regardless of OS (provided it has a telnet client, which Windows does). Playing locally basically implies cheating;)
The era in which one group of people will be able to control the commercial activities of third parties is coming to a close. Deal with it.
... he said, either forgetting or ignoring the fact that a group of people controlling the commercial activities of third parties is exactly what just happened.
Both top-posting and bottom-posting have advantages. Bottom-posting makes it somewhat easier to read it like a thread summary, but that's not always useful. Top-posting makes it easier to see what the last guy wrote.
"What kind of a fucking idiot are you - you can't even write a decent bug report." is not the correct response to the average contributor.
Indeed, which is why I did not repond that way but offered constructive criticism as to what is missing/what would be expected. Gee I even asked for the link to the original report.
Is it really that hard to imagine that people wouldn't want to scroll down to the bottom of a message every time they get a new email? That it might be more convenient if the new message was the first thing they see?
The idea (which is much older than any of the MUAs you mentioned) is that you trim the original message to the parts relevant to your reply, and answer them in-line, much like we do it here on/., you know? The point is to have the context of a discussion readily available instead of having to backwards dig though miles of fullquotes.
I think any OS will do it once the attacking program can gain root access
Nope, I don't think so. (see securelevel 2)
(and nope, you can't defeat it *that* way. (see RB_HALT)). It's kind of notable that neither Free- nor OpenBSD seem to support an equivalent to the latter (all three do have the securelevel mechanism, though).
unless MBR protection is enabled in the BIOS
Are you living in a distant past where disk i/o still goes via BIOS?
Because maybe the evolution team realized that top-posting is an abomination? Sometimes people refuse to actively support people at doing something wrong.
+1 to the evolution devs for not implementing this.
If this resembles the quality of your bug reports, then what are you susprised about?
You did not accurately (not even roughtly, in fact, not at all) describe what the problem is.
You did not even mention what part of LibreOffice you're talking about, geez. I had to look at your other comment to infer it's about writer.
You omitted the version it (what?!) supposedly happens with.
You omitted to mention what platform/environment you're doing this in.
Just some useless "itdoesntwork" garbage. Needless to point out, It can't be reproduced (screenshot), not even with the rather ancient LibreOffice 3.5.4.2, so "last time I checked" must've been a while huh?
For gedit, it doesn't even say what the 2, 4, or 8 mean
Not trying to defend gedit here , but in a context of "Tab width" (it actually says that), it takes only half a brain to figure out what 8, 4 and 2 could possibly mean.
That being said, I don't care, I've yet to wait for horrible "UX" changes in the programs I care about, which are essentially firefox, gEDA, mutt, vim, gdb and the standard unix set of tools. Therefore it strikes me as wrong to generalize this as a "problem with open source", it's rather a problem in the shiny-GUI niche of open source software.
Now, if you think it'd be sensible to keep embedded systems like that on the bleeding edge, then you should definitely consider the nice bridges I'm selling, a real bargain.
There are very few underground lines here, it's all aerial, and a lot of them.
The last unexpected/unscheduled power outage was.. uh. I don't even remember. A decade ago?
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vi? vi? Do you snap your suspenders and tug your beard as you pine for the days of pine over a 300 baud line?
Since I switch a lot between vi/nvi/vim, depending on what's available (protip: vim usually isn't), yeah, it makes sense to learn the common subset first, which is basically the functionality vi implements. Besides, pine?
Real men/women [...] use VIM.
Real men/women use what's there.
[...] furry creatures from Alpha centauri [...]
Trying to be funny -- you're doing it wrong.
And they use the cursor keys...because they have a keyboard with actual cursor keys instead of a ADM3A terminal.
hjkl are much closer to the rest of the alphanumeric block, since they are, well, on the home row. It's fine if you like constantly switching between there and the cursor keys, or probably the mouse, just don't tell me how I should do things, especially when you're unable to give rationale.
You'd think that terminal makers never used a Selectric.
Uh, whatever.
I can't imagine anyone using the vi shortcuts (k for up and, going clockwise, u l n j b h and y).
Imagine harder then, I don't know anyone who'd play it on the numpad, sounds rather inconvenient because all the other keys are on the main alphanumeric block.
In fact, I originally started to play nethack in order to get comfortable with hjkl for later use in vi. Worked great. (As an unexpected side effect I got horribly addicted though)
If you want the really real deal though, you need a linux/unix machine, and you need to play the ncurses command line version in a terminal.
If you want the really real deal, you ,,telnet nethack.alt.org'', which a) works regardless of OS (provided it has a telnet client, which Windows does). Playing locally basically implies cheating ;)
That's ruining it; also, not possible on a public server (which is the reason many prefer to play there even if the latency is a bit higher).
telnet alt.nethack.org
Seriously-- Gehenna without any genocide scrolls? LOL! As IF!
Filthy casual. I been there, done that, shit was cash
The era in which one group of people will be able to control the commercial activities of third parties is coming to a close. Deal with it.
... he said, either forgetting or ignoring the fact that a group of people controlling the commercial activities of third parties is exactly what just happened.
And how do you handle ads delivered via https?
Is shit, especially as of Feb 2014
Both top-posting and bottom-posting have advantages. Bottom-posting makes it somewhat easier to read it like a thread summary, but that's not always useful. Top-posting makes it easier to see what the last guy wrote.
Top-posting makes it easier to see what the last guy wrote
Nope.
"What kind of a fucking idiot are you - you can't even write a decent bug report." is not the correct response to the average contributor.
Indeed, which is why I did not repond that way but offered constructive criticism as to what is missing/what would be expected.
Gee I even asked for the link to the original report.
Stop making up stuff, okay?
Is it really that hard to imagine that people wouldn't want to scroll down to the bottom of a message every time they get a new email? That it might be more convenient if the new message was the first thing they see?
The idea (which is much older than any of the MUAs you mentioned) is that you trim the original message to the parts relevant to your reply, and answer them in-line, much like we do it here on /., you know? The point is to have the context of a discussion readily available instead of having to backwards dig though miles of fullquotes.
I think any OS will do it once the attacking program can gain root access
Nope, I don't think so. (see securelevel 2)
(and nope, you can't defeat it *that* way. (see RB_HALT)).
It's kind of notable that neither Free- nor OpenBSD seem to support an equivalent to the latter (all three do have the securelevel mechanism, though).
unless MBR protection is enabled in the BIOS
Are you living in a distant past where disk i/o still goes via BIOS?
Because maybe the evolution team realized that top-posting is an abomination? Sometimes people refuse to actively support people at doing something wrong.
+1 to the evolution devs for not implementing this.
If this resembles the quality of your bug reports, then what are you susprised about?
You did not accurately (not even roughtly, in fact, not at all) describe what the problem is.
You did not even mention what part of LibreOffice you're talking about, geez. I had to look at your other comment to infer it's about writer.
You omitted the version it (what?!) supposedly happens with.
You omitted to mention what platform/environment you're doing this in.
Just some useless "itdoesntwork" garbage. Needless to point out, It can't be reproduced (screenshot), not even with the rather ancient LibreOffice 3.5.4.2, so "last time I checked" must've been a while huh?
Link to your original bug report?
For gedit, it doesn't even say what the 2, 4, or 8 mean
Not trying to defend gedit here , but in a context of "Tab width" (it actually says that), it takes only half a brain to figure out what 8, 4 and 2 could possibly mean.
That being said, I don't care, I've yet to wait for horrible "UX" changes in the programs I care about, which are essentially firefox, gEDA, mutt, vim, gdb and the standard unix set of tools. Therefore it strikes me as wrong to generalize this as a "problem with open source", it's rather a problem in the shiny-GUI niche of open source software.
Stars traveling at that speed sound pretty deadly to me.
The name itself is a joke to cyberspace insiders, who regularly use programs with names that start with "x," as in xterm or xwindows.
Make it stop! PLEASE!
Wow... just.. wow. Impressive degree of stupidity.
Who would of thought of that
God dammit. Why do people constantly do this? It makes me rage harder than TFA.
It looks like this
No arguments, duly noted.
Now, if you think it'd be sensible to keep embedded systems like that on the bleeding edge, then you should definitely consider the nice bridges I'm selling, a real bargain.
So what?
Yeah, I'll have to learn how to deal with 'ports', but I won't have to deal with the nightmare that appears to be systemd.
Just because this makes it sound like there was anything difficult about it, here's the typical workflow (installing mutt as an example)
/usr/ports/*/*mutt* /usr/ports/chinese/mutt/ /usr/ports/devel/rubygem-mutter/ /usr/ports/distfiles/mutt/ /usr/ports/japanese/mutt-devel/ /usr/ports/mail/mutt/ /usr/ports/mail/mutt-lite/ /usr/ports/mail/mutt14/ /usr/ports/mail/mutt14-lite/ /usr/ports/mail/mutt_vc_query/ /usr/ports/mail/muttils/ /usr/ports/print/muttprint/ /usr/ports/russian/muttprint/ /usr/ports/x11-fonts/font-mutt-misc/ /usr/ports/x11-wm/mutter/ /usr/ports/mail/mutt
# ls -ld
drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512 Nov 18 19:02
drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Nov 18 19:12
drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Nov 20 02:18
drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512 Nov 18 19:20
drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512 Nov 22 00:07
drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Nov 18 19:21
drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512 Nov 18 19:21
drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Nov 18 19:21
drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Nov 18 19:21
drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Nov 18 19:21
drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512 Nov 18 19:30
drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512 Nov 18 19:30
drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Nov 18 19:42
drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512 Nov 18 19:44
# cd
# make install
There are very few underground lines here, it's all aerial, and a lot of them. .. uh. I don't even remember. A decade ago?
The last unexpected/unscheduled power outage was