I agree its hard not to describe "any" joystick as phallic. I have not seen the ad in question but how phallic could it be if the stick has been replaced with dynamite?
Keyboards could be used as primitive shingles for your house. They also make excellent weapons, budgeoning, strangling, whipping, its all in there. The original IBM keyboards can be used as boat anchors. If you need to scale a wall you can throw the keyboard side over the top and then climb up the cord (grapling hook style) most useful for getting into the neighbors fortress at night without being discovered.
Maybe nobody outhere cares enought to do it alone but first we have the old scratching your own itch idea where people would fix something that always bugged them (make the blue screen background configurable mmmm red screen of death) and that would help some. More importantly I assume that there are more than a few companies that are interested in fixing their problems with windows. Theese companies would pay programmers to work on bits of the code that they need fixed / changed. Wether theese changes make it back into the original is up in the air but those that did would help considerably. Also Microsoft can still work on the code just now its visible, no nast surprises (check for ext2 partiton, "accidenially cause error in partiton table and remove ext2 parttion, etc...) So aside from the loss of MS'es IP the opening of the code could be benificial.
I started with the spice girls for my local network. But after Geri left the group I was left with only 4 possible machines. I had to name my FreeBSD box bond just cause the girls were lonley and needed someone to keep them company. My Slackware 4.0 lunchbox computer ended up being named BoB for obvious reasons. and I figured that bond was having too easy a time with Scary(95), Sporty(95), Posh(rh 6.1) and Baby(NetWare 4.11).
It it open source?? if so what we should be figting about it wether it is going to be GPLed' or under the BSD liscence.;) (OW OW Quit throwing stuff at me)
The point that laetus is trying to make is that by adding such devices to schools kids are becoming desensitised to them. The next generation wont question why for example we need soldiers on every street corner to stop violence. Everytime we are subjected to random searches for contraband we are giving up a small amount of freedom. I have no problem with metal detectors in places where they are appropriate.
We started this thread with you saying that there is no security hole that bo(2k) exploits. You have just stated the hole that it is meant to address, the user. By raising awareness in users it has helped to make (some of) them reailise that its a big nasty world out there and that they cant just run any program that someone that they dont know sent them over i(cq/rc). I work for a store that has seen its fair share of computers taken out by trojan horses, and every user leaves knowing that they need to be MUCH more careful online. Hopefully they tell their friends and in the end we get more security concious users.
Microsoft does have a product that allows remote admin of a windows machine. It can hide itself so that there is no visible sign of it running from the console. I believe that is it called SMS. The cDc used this as a rebuttal to anti virus vendors putting bo2k in their databases. I would get you an URL but www.cultdeadcow.com seems to be suffering from the/. effect right now.
You could also consider VNC or Norton's PC Anywhere to be hacking tools because they allow remote access to a computer. Since VNC is GPLed anyone can remove the icon that appears on the system tray to make it effetivley invisible to the user.
...it's definitely not my choice to make for someone else...
You say that you wouldn't make that choice for others, but for a second imagine that you had to choose between the system with locks and keys and the one without for ALL systems in the world. Which would you choose???
As much as we would like to live in a world where security is unesasary we don't. We live in a world where information is power. We must choose wisely who and what can access that information. Since computers are going to be used for storing sensitive information for a long time yet I would prefer that anything that could be done to secure the system would be done.
The cDc didn't choose to break the security model for win9x, trojans existed for a long time before BO. BO just showed how bad a trojan could be. NetBus is comparable in some respects to BO and was not written by the cDc.
If the cDc had not released BO would there be no threat to win9x users, or would the threat still be there just not as well documented? BO was designed (IMHO) to infuriate the users of win9x, and get them to complain to Microsoft about finding a way to circumvent attacks.
I have bee wholly cDc 0wned(1) and operated since 1994. I put a quarter in a bubble gum machine and out came this cool looking temporary tattoo. After applying said tattoo to my bare skin I began to understad the cow.....
Moo..... Bow to the cow.....ooM
"Fuck'em if they cant take a joke" -J.R. "BoB" Dobbs
(1) thats 0wned with a zero in case you wanted to know
I believe it was be franklin who said "anyone who trade essential liberty of temporary security deserves and will recieve niether" (paraphased)
Also it seems to follow that thoses who would trade essential privacy and security for convience is setting themselves up for a fall.
It is easier to not lock the doors on my car and just have push button ignition instead of using keys. Keys are a pain in the butt I might lose them lock them inside the car, etc... It would be easier for me to just do away with keys, security is such a hassle.
I believe that the patch became available after the cd was put on sale. This bothers me greatly at the point that it came out I could only patch 98 by buying a cd even though it would have been easier to download the patch from microsoft directally.
I installed IE 4.0 on one of our NT servers and then I couldn't use some of the web based admin tools anymore. NT directed me to a page to download the update for IE 4.0. I went to the page and couldn't find anything to download. Microsoft did direct me to the page where I could order a cd with the patch for $19.95 or I could wait for the patch to become available on the web.
This is infuriating. If they have the data to put out a bugfix cd why not make it free unless they just want to make a few bucks.
(ps. I removed IE4 replaced it with IE3 and installed Netscape 4 and everyting worked fine)
all it takes is one person to find it and tell their friends about the article for it gain credibility. I have a custome that believes ANYTHING he hears as long as it isn't from us. i swear. We installed the patches to update his server (NW 3.12) for y2k bugs. One week later he told me that he wanted to switch to NT 4.0 (before sp4 was out) because NetWare wasn't y2k compliant even after the patches, but NT was. If we ignore theese and/or don't respond then the great PR blitzkreig called Microsoft marches on.
(we did talk sense to him in the end. 2 of his mission critical apps were NetWare specific)
You have to consider the source on this one. 6th graders aren't all technical wizards. As far as I know there arent many 12 year old kernel hackers, but I could be wrong.
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I agree its hard not to describe "any" joystick as phallic. I have not seen the ad in question but how phallic could it be if the stick has been replaced with dynamite?
Keyboards could be used as primitive shingles for your house. They also make excellent weapons, budgeoning, strangling, whipping, its all in there. The original IBM keyboards can be used as boat anchors. If you need to scale a wall you can throw the keyboard side over the top and then climb up the cord (grapling hook style) most useful for getting into the neighbors fortress at night without being discovered.
Maybe nobody outhere cares enought to do it alone but first we have the old scratching your own itch idea where people would fix something that always bugged them (make the blue screen background configurable mmmm red screen of death) and that would help some. More importantly I assume that there are more than a few companies that are interested in fixing their problems with windows. Theese companies would pay programmers to work on bits of the code that they need fixed / changed. Wether theese changes make it back into the original is up in the air but those that did would help considerably. Also Microsoft can still work on the code just now its visible, no nast surprises (check for ext2 partiton, "accidenially cause error in partiton table and remove ext2 parttion, etc...) So aside from the loss of MS'es IP the opening of the code could be benificial.
I started with the spice girls for my local network. But after Geri left the group I was left with only 4 possible machines. I had to name my FreeBSD box bond just cause the girls were lonley and needed someone to keep them company. My Slackware 4.0 lunchbox computer ended up being named BoB for obvious reasons. and I figured that bond was having too easy a time with Scary(95), Sporty(95), Posh(rh 6.1) and Baby(NetWare 4.11).
We could also have the Geek-American Liberation Army (GALA)
It it open source?? if so what we should be figting about it wether it is going to be GPLed' or under the BSD liscence. ;) (OW OW Quit throwing stuff at me)
The point that laetus is trying to make is that by adding such devices to schools kids are becoming desensitised to them. The next generation wont question why for example we need soldiers on every street corner to stop violence. Everytime we are subjected to random searches for contraband we are giving up a small amount of freedom. I have no problem with metal detectors in places where they are appropriate.
We started this thread with you saying that there is no security hole that bo(2k) exploits. You have just stated the hole that it is meant to address, the user. By raising awareness in users it has helped to make (some of) them reailise that its a big nasty world out there and that they cant just run any program that someone that they dont know sent them over i(cq/rc). I work for a store that has seen its fair share of computers taken out by trojan horses, and every user leaves knowing that they need to be MUCH more careful online. Hopefully they tell their friends and in the end we get more security concious users.
Microsoft does have a product that allows remote admin of a windows machine. It can hide itself so that there is no visible sign of it running from the console. I believe that is it called SMS. The cDc used this as a rebuttal to anti virus vendors putting bo2k in their databases. I would get you an URL but www.cultdeadcow.com seems to be suffering from the /. effect right now.
You could also consider VNC or Norton's PC Anywhere to be hacking tools because they allow remote access to a computer. Since VNC is GPLed anyone can remove the icon that appears on the system tray to make it effetivley invisible to the user.
...it's definitely not my choice to make for someone else...
You say that you wouldn't make that choice for others, but for a second imagine that you had to choose between the system with locks and keys and the one without for ALL systems in the world. Which would you choose???
As much as we would like to live in a world where security is unesasary we don't. We live in a world where information is power. We must choose wisely who and what can access that information. Since computers are going to be used for storing sensitive information for a long time yet I would prefer that anything that could be done to secure the system would be done.
The cDc didn't choose to break the security model for win9x, trojans existed for a long time before BO. BO just showed how bad a trojan could be. NetBus is comparable in some respects to BO and was not written by the cDc.
If the cDc had not released BO would there be no threat to win9x users, or would the threat still be there just not as well documented? BO was designed (IMHO) to infuriate the users of win9x, and get them to complain to Microsoft about finding a way to circumvent attacks.
I have bee wholly cDc 0wned(1) and operated since 1994. I put a quarter in a bubble gum machine and out came this cool looking temporary tattoo. After applying said tattoo to my bare skin I began to understad the cow.....
.....ooM
Moo..... Bow to the cow
"Fuck'em if they cant take a joke" -J.R. "BoB" Dobbs
(1) thats 0wned with a zero in case you wanted to know
I believe it was be franklin who said "anyone who trade essential liberty of temporary security deserves and will recieve niether" (paraphased)
Also it seems to follow that thoses who would trade essential privacy and security for convience is setting themselves up for a fall.
It is easier to not lock the doors on my car and just have push button ignition instead of using keys. Keys are a pain in the butt I might lose them lock them inside the car, etc... It would be easier for me to just do away with keys, security is such a hassle.
I believe that the patch became available after the cd was put on sale. This bothers me greatly at the point that it came out I could only patch 98 by buying a cd even though it would have been easier to download the patch from microsoft directally.
I installed IE 4.0 on one of our NT servers and then I couldn't use some of the web based admin tools anymore. NT directed me to a page to download the update for IE 4.0. I went to the page and couldn't find anything to download. Microsoft did direct me to the page where I could order a cd with the patch for $19.95 or I could wait for the patch to become available on the web.
This is infuriating. If they have the data to put out a bugfix cd why not make it free unless they just want to make a few bucks.
(ps. I removed IE4 replaced it with IE3 and installed Netscape 4 and everyting worked fine)
But does it work on virtual beer or just "real world" beer???
Microsoft had boosted the power and reliablility of IIS by changing the name of Apache to IIS when queried and deployed it instead ;)
all it takes is one person to find it and tell their friends about the article for it gain credibility. I have a custome that believes ANYTHING he hears as long as it isn't from us. i swear. We installed the patches to update his server (NW 3.12) for y2k bugs. One week later he told me that he wanted to switch to NT 4.0 (before sp4 was out) because NetWare wasn't y2k compliant even after the patches, but NT was. If we ignore theese and/or don't respond then the great PR blitzkreig called Microsoft marches on.
(we did talk sense to him in the end. 2 of his mission critical apps were NetWare specific)
You have to consider the source on this one. 6th graders aren't all technical wizards. As far as I know there arent many 12 year old kernel hackers, but I could be wrong.