The radio station pays rolyalty to the record company, that's the difference. thanks for playing.
Actually, in the US, they don't pay royalties. It's different in most other countries though, but not in the US. I've actually heard this directly from the "source" (RIAA) on a TV show back in October.
Like the article says though, they're a fan of the BSD-style license. The BSD-license allows them to incorporate any or all portions of the code, w/o the "un-american" implications of the GPL. I think the Mozilla thing was more out of fear of the Anti-trust litigation.
I agree w/ a previous poster that there is no objective proof of this statement (regarding the TCP stack), but on the other hand, there is no reason why microsoft couldn't and wouldn't do this.
But taking a second look, the Win32 TCP stack doesn't compare to the BSD stack, so I don't even know where this comment is coming from.
If you don't believe me try it for yourself.
He refers to ssh as a protocol, but in the same e-mail refers to ssh as a protected trademark. HTTP is a protocol, and companies/groups have come out with different protocols of HTTP on both the client and daemon ends, however, no one has ever claimed to own the http trademark or brand.
Either he needs to choose to name his company something else, lay off, or attempt the change the protocol's name (hah!).
I've always claimed in order to fix up these e-commerce breakins a certification system would be necessary. Ideally one would think the credit card companies would be interested in this, but unfortunately they actually make money off break-ins or at least the fear of break-ins.
What i'd propose is that someone (some company more like it) draft up a list of guidelines which it deems necessary to protect consumer privacy. Conditions like not storing credit card numbers on publicly available servers (or not at all as someone suggested;)), firewall implementation, etc. You'd have to make it non-OS specific, since the market is fragmented whether you like it or not. A company beleiving that they met the standard can have an audit done by such a company, and upon successful completion (and passing) of the audit, the site would be deemed "Company X Secure." It seems obvious to me, however I wouldn't be surprised if there is a liability issue involved. But if you look at most sites, you often see claims as "100% secure" anyways, so I'm not quite sure.
If the standard were publicly available, geeks like us could check them over, and decide if their protection is deemed adequete. This would allow companies to keep their security policies private, and yet have the verification of a third party to say, "Yeh, they are ok." But then again, I'm not sure if it'd make a difference to the lay-person.
I honestly don't know if this has been done already. Like I said earlier, it seems obvious that the Credit Card companies would jump all over it, but they haven't. Next I would think one of the bigwig "Security" companies would do it. But I don't know.
A Response to whether you think this can be done, would be interesting.
No offense man, but your post is totally misinformed. The success of BSD is way harder to gauge than linux/windoze because you can't base it totally off of cds sold, or oem licenses. I'd say the majority of BSD users don't bother w/ CD installs, and all that jazz, and just do an FTP install, and then cvsup their src tree. Theo is probably estimating that figure based on the number of cd orders they've had. Most of your post is complete BS. BSDi continues to get Venture capital, and people keep on trying to convince Theo to commercialize OpenBSD.
None of the BSDs are dead. Just because there aren't multi-billion (maybe only multimillion now) dollar *BSD companies, doesn't necessarily mean it's a poor OS or that no one is using it. BSD has taken a different approach, and please don't deem that as an unsuccessful "dead" OS.
while win2k is a lot stablier than people give it credit. the "crashes everyday" thing is the exception, and not the rule. however, if you look at the uptime charts on netcraft or uptimes.net, you'll notice that win2k doesn't even compare to some of the *ix based OSes.
Take a look for yourself:
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html
Cheers.
Unlike many of you, I do not think that Linux will hit the mainstream hard, and wipe out windows. But there is a certain segment of the population that are "power-users." Ultimately they may consider Linux an option at one time. Mac OS doesn't really supply the power to many of this segment of users (mainly thinking of no command line, etc), but it does appeal to people who like guis, etc. I ultimately don't think the two are the same group, and therefore, won't hurt Linux all the much, however I don't think the Mac-evangelist will just have more to brag about to their windows/unix friends.
I was just eluding to the fact that Americans think the most sacred and indpendant process is their electoral system. I don't disagree with what you stated about corporations being in everypart of our lives, but most people still beleive that while their votes may not count, they at least are free to choose who they want to vote. what assurances can these companies make that my vote will even count? (read properly as voted)
Blah,
Does anyone else find this wierd? No one has really stated that a new voting system is needed (after Florida, I agree, we probably need one, but there is no gov't mandate whatsoever), and yet these huge multinationals are already making a new system.
Who's running the gov't? The people or the corporations?
SRI's EMERALD is capable of detecting the type of website attacks that plagued Yahoo!, E*TRADE and eBay in real-time.
Is that really that hard to do? Detection is easy, dealing with it is the hard part. There isn't a whole lot that detection will help you with. Just sounds like a bunch of hype to me, to lure business executives.
Jr
While I agree that it is more complicated, I look at the amount of promenient used books in University Bookstores. Textbooks are a big industry, and the majority of them get sold at this locations, and yet I have yet to hear an author complain about the fact that they exist. In all fairness, this is probably because they put out a new edition every couple of yrs, but still, they could easily double their money if used textbooks were made illegal. Amazon is actually getting into selling textbooks online, and I think that the author's guild sees this as an opportunity where it can control a regulatable store, whereas getting all the Uni Bookstores to comply with such a task would be impossible.
It makes you wonder also if the authors guild actually represents the authors, and is just another name for whatever the Publisher's association is.
Yet another attack against fair use. (YAAAFU)
Cheers
And these are just the ones we know about. That's scary. Just to be completely objective, has there been any *ix breakins involving credit card lifts of any of those orders. I can't think of one off the top of my head, but there's gotta be.
Linux distros are too big, and often have stuff they don't need on them. I think *BSD got it right. Make the base installs small, and then have a ports collection which will enable a user to bloat up his system if he or she wishes.
Cheers.
While lots of you will disagree when I say this, but I think that the largest potential for linux is in the server market, and not the desktop. I'm not saying linux doesn't make a good desktop OS, however the only way to get it into corporations initially is via the server angle.
Seeing how Be wasn't intended to be a network(read server) Operating system, but rather a desktop one, this wouldn't preclude any linux growth. The possibility to share code both ways is quite advantageous though. Looking at Be's OpenGL stats makes me drool.
Look at it from this perspective though.
A writer commits a murder. The writer rights a book that claims to be non-fiction, but has a disclaimer at the front "Truth in this book is true, but can't be used against me, if you flip to the next page."
I'm assuming if the evidence matched up with the murder that he committed, and this book could be linked to him, would he be prosecuted using this evidence. I've seen people's diaries, poetry, etc be admitted as evidence in trials.
Why not this?
I dunno...I just think that companies (especially if you're paying for the software) should be responsible if you can show careless disregard.
Cheers.
If they're copyrighting the bugfix page, isn't that some sort of acknowledgement of legal responsibility for the bug, and therefore should be liable for damages it causes?
I may be way off base.
Unreal Tournament released had just the windows (and possibly mac, i dunno), and just released patches for the linux version. Saves space on shelves, and solves most of the problems I saw above.
Just my 2 cents,
wigg
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The radio station pays rolyalty to the record company, that's the difference. thanks for playing.
Actually, in the US, they don't pay royalties. It's different in most other countries though, but not in the US. I've actually heard this directly from the "source" (RIAA) on a TV show back in October.
Like the article says though, they're a fan of the BSD-style license. The BSD-license allows them to incorporate any or all portions of the code, w/o the "un-american" implications of the GPL. I think the Mozilla thing was more out of fear of the Anti-trust litigation.
I agree w/ a previous poster that there is no objective proof of this statement (regarding the TCP stack), but on the other hand, there is no reason why microsoft couldn't and wouldn't do this.
But taking a second look, the Win32 TCP stack doesn't compare to the BSD stack, so I don't even know where this comment is coming from.
If you don't believe me try it for yourself.
He refers to ssh as a protocol, but in the same e-mail refers to ssh as a protected trademark. HTTP is a protocol, and companies/groups have come out with different protocols of HTTP on both the client and daemon ends, however, no one has ever claimed to own the http trademark or brand.
Either he needs to choose to name his company something else, lay off, or attempt the change the protocol's name (hah!).
I've always claimed in order to fix up these e-commerce breakins a certification system would be necessary. Ideally one would think the credit card companies would be interested in this, but unfortunately they actually make money off break-ins or at least the fear of break-ins. ;)), firewall implementation, etc. You'd have to make it non-OS specific, since the market is fragmented whether you like it or not. A company beleiving that they met the standard can have an audit done by such a company, and upon successful completion (and passing) of the audit, the site would be deemed "Company X Secure." It seems obvious to me, however I wouldn't be surprised if there is a liability issue involved. But if you look at most sites, you often see claims as "100% secure" anyways, so I'm not quite sure.
What i'd propose is that someone (some company more like it) draft up a list of guidelines which it deems necessary to protect consumer privacy. Conditions like not storing credit card numbers on publicly available servers (or not at all as someone suggested
If the standard were publicly available, geeks like us could check them over, and decide if their protection is deemed adequete. This would allow companies to keep their security policies private, and yet have the verification of a third party to say, "Yeh, they are ok." But then again, I'm not sure if it'd make a difference to the lay-person.
I honestly don't know if this has been done already. Like I said earlier, it seems obvious that the Credit Card companies would jump all over it, but they haven't. Next I would think one of the bigwig "Security" companies would do it. But I don't know.
A Response to whether you think this can be done, would be interesting.
No offense man, but your post is totally misinformed. The success of BSD is way harder to gauge than linux/windoze because you can't base it totally off of cds sold, or oem licenses. I'd say the majority of BSD users don't bother w/ CD installs, and all that jazz, and just do an FTP install, and then cvsup their src tree. Theo is probably estimating that figure based on the number of cd orders they've had. Most of your post is complete BS. BSDi continues to get Venture capital, and people keep on trying to convince Theo to commercialize OpenBSD.
None of the BSDs are dead. Just because there aren't multi-billion (maybe only multimillion now) dollar *BSD companies, doesn't necessarily mean it's a poor OS or that no one is using it. BSD has taken a different approach, and please don't deem that as an unsuccessful "dead" OS.
Cheers.
while win2k is a lot stablier than people give it credit. the "crashes everyday" thing is the exception, and not the rule. however, if you look at the uptime charts on netcraft or uptimes.net, you'll notice that win2k doesn't even compare to some of the *ix based OSes.
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Take a look for yourself:
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.htm
Cheers.
Unlike many of you, I do not think that Linux will hit the mainstream hard, and wipe out windows. But there is a certain segment of the population that are "power-users." Ultimately they may consider Linux an option at one time. Mac OS doesn't really supply the power to many of this segment of users (mainly thinking of no command line, etc), but it does appeal to people who like guis, etc. I ultimately don't think the two are the same group, and therefore, won't hurt Linux all the much, however I don't think the Mac-evangelist will just have more to brag about to their windows/unix friends.
Cheers.
I was just eluding to the fact that Americans think the most sacred and indpendant process is their electoral system. I don't disagree with what you stated about corporations being in everypart of our lives, but most people still beleive that while their votes may not count, they at least are free to choose who they want to vote. what assurances can these companies make that my vote will even count? (read properly as voted)
Blah,
If pro is the opposite of con, what's the opposite of progress?
Cheers.
Does anyone else find this wierd? No one has really stated that a new voting system is needed (after Florida, I agree, we probably need one, but there is no gov't mandate whatsoever), and yet these huge multinationals are already making a new system.
Who's running the gov't? The people or the corporations?
Cheers
SRI's EMERALD is capable of detecting the type of website attacks that plagued Yahoo!, E*TRADE and eBay in real-time.
Is that really that hard to do? Detection is easy, dealing with it is the hard part. There isn't a whole lot that detection will help you with. Just sounds like a bunch of hype to me, to lure business executives.
Jr
Here's the bugtraq id on securityfocus:
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/2162
Cheers
While I agree that it is more complicated, I look at the amount of promenient used books in University Bookstores. Textbooks are a big industry, and the majority of them get sold at this locations, and yet I have yet to hear an author complain about the fact that they exist. In all fairness, this is probably because they put out a new edition every couple of yrs, but still, they could easily double their money if used textbooks were made illegal. Amazon is actually getting into selling textbooks online, and I think that the author's guild sees this as an opportunity where it can control a regulatable store, whereas getting all the Uni Bookstores to comply with such a task would be impossible.
It makes you wonder also if the authors guild actually represents the authors, and is just another name for whatever the Publisher's association is.
Yet another attack against fair use. (YAAAFU)
Cheers
I wonder if that is a reference to /.
Cheers
Let's see:
CDUniverse ~ 10^6 cc#s
Creditcards.com ~10^4 cc#s
Eggheads.com ~ 10^6 cc#s
Salesgate.com ~ 10^5 cc#s
And these are just the ones we know about. That's scary. Just to be completely objective, has there been any *ix breakins involving credit card lifts of any of those orders. I can't think of one off the top of my head, but there's gotta be.
Linux distros are too big, and often have stuff they don't need on them. I think *BSD got it right. Make the base installs small, and then have a ports collection which will enable a user to bloat up his system if he or she wishes.
Cheers.
While lots of you will disagree when I say this, but I think that the largest potential for linux is in the server market, and not the desktop. I'm not saying linux doesn't make a good desktop OS, however the only way to get it into corporations initially is via the server angle.
Seeing how Be wasn't intended to be a network(read server) Operating system, but rather a desktop one, this wouldn't preclude any linux growth. The possibility to share code both ways is quite advantageous though. Looking at Be's OpenGL stats makes me drool.
Cheers.
heh
The article states "Someone." This is scary since human cover a very small percentage of the earth's surface.
Cheers.
Why put something in the kernel that doesn't need to be in the kernel, and is just going to open a bunch of security issues later on.
Anyone who's read "Secrets and Lies" knows what this is leading into. Linux becoming as bad as windows.
Cheers.
Look at it from this perspective though.
A writer commits a murder. The writer rights a book that claims to be non-fiction, but has a disclaimer at the front "Truth in this book is true, but can't be used against me, if you flip to the next page."
I'm assuming if the evidence matched up with the murder that he committed, and this book could be linked to him, would he be prosecuted using this evidence. I've seen people's diaries, poetry, etc be admitted as evidence in trials.
Why not this?
I dunno...I just think that companies (especially if you're paying for the software) should be responsible if you can show careless disregard.
Cheers.
If they're copyrighting the bugfix page, isn't that some sort of acknowledgement of legal responsibility for the bug, and therefore should be liable for damages it causes?
I may be way off base.
Unreal Tournament released had just the windows (and possibly mac, i dunno), and just released patches for the linux version. Saves space on shelves, and solves most of the problems I saw above. Just my 2 cents, wigg