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Microsoft's DNS Down
Everybody and their brother has submitted what has to be the least
interesting story in months. Microsoft's DNS server is down. I haven't visited their web site in months and I don't care
in the slightest, but if I don't post this, I'm going to spend the next 48 hours deleting 2,000 submissions about it as zillions of people somehow think that this matters. Yup. Its down. Ye haw. Do you people actually visit microsoft.com? It didn't
even render under Netscape for the longest time. I can't remember the last time I intentionally went to that site. There's just no need. (Well, I guess if you run windows you gotta get your service packs every few minutes ;)
Go, taco, go! Throw in a few more pot-shots you asshole.
Here's the really funny part. Just a few months ago he was claiming that slashdot is just like Microsoft. Once it got so popular it became fashionable to bash it, so everybody does.
Hey taco, do you need a fucking compressor for your ego? Or is it all natural? Your head is gonna explode if you don't watch it. Asshole!
The answer I listed was the answer from the gTLD servers, and from the A root server. If you can't reach any of the nameservers that are listed in the .COM zone, you can't get the NS Set for the other nameservers. It doesn't matter how many nameservers they have in the microsoft.com zone. At least one of the nameservers has to be reachable.
Also, because of the way Windows 2000 doesn't handle negative caching for lame nameserver delegations, anyone using a Windows 2000 server for DNS resolution is probably also fighting their choked network pipes.
Microsoft may know how to do some things, but DNS definitely isn't one of them.
From what I can tell Hotmail does use other dns servers but all requests to hotmail.com get forwarded to Microsoft's Passport site which is on the main microsoft dns server... So any outages on their dns would affect all of microsoft's sites which uses the passport system (for authentication purposes)
Luckily I resolved microsoft.com
:-)
Click here
or here
Watch these sleezy moderators, mod me down to -1 for giving you all helpful information
Support microsoft.com, the closed source revolution 2001!
Hint:
Guess where
4.2.2.1 and
4.2.2.2
live.
This stuff is not rocket science.
Try learning how the DNS/registrar system works first.
Yeah, I "cracked" Ranger Rick magazine because my nickname is Ranger Rick! Whoa! You "cracked" Huffy because your name is the same as a bicycle spoke! Or perhaps you "cracked" the english language!
Having a silly hostname for your DNS so it shows up in the internic host records is not a crack, it's not even a hack. It's just a silly prank. It's funny, but people blow it way out of proportion.
1st Law Of Networking: Loose ends are bad, termination is good.
WWJD? JWRTFM!!!
*DOH* I am slow today aren't I? =) But that doesn't change the fact that the page itself did load really slow.
Their homepage is reacting slowly too, and I can hardly even get any of the images on it (and it's usually quite fast). A DoS attack doesn't sound to improbable. The question is what it's hitting? Since the DNS servers are almost totally down but the homepage only partially? Are they attacking both or is the fact that the homepage is slow only a side effect?
Slashdot is down quite frequently. Very often I can't connect to the server, only to get through again after a minute. Once someone's network was down (can't recall which one, a few weeks back) and Slashdot was unavailable to a large number of users for over a day. I assume this affected lots of people, it was a fairly major provider quite close to Slashdot's server judging from the traceroute hop count. As far as reliability goes, Slashdot is definitely not an example to follow.
"Hot lesbian witches! It's fucking genius!"
I honestly wouldn't care either, except I use MSN Messanger out of need, I use Hotmail to get e-mail and I play Asheron's Call online which is exclusively available for play online through the Zone. Actually - the two other things are a byproduct of the latter, but I can't stop playing. I guess the chances that they'll port to Linux are zero to none.
On a similarly funny note, Asheron's Call had a bug last night and had to have an emergency patch installed. They *have* been verified to be NT Boxen. The bug allowed users with a sniffer and a DoS attack to kill servers, causing the characters attached to that box to reset to their previous save point. Interesting bug, more interesting that M$ / Turbing forgot to patch. I'm just wondering if the two were related...
Secret windows code
Clinton made me a Republican. Bush made me a Libertarian. Trump is making me question reality.
I for one miss the days when /. was just "a bunch of..".
/mill
The last 2+ years it has gone downhill with trolls and people that don't bother to actually read the articles before posting. Some who shouldn't be posting at all (reading or not) because they don't know what they are talking about.
So give me the good ole days when CmdrTaco expressed his own opinion and no one whined about him not adhering to some journalistic standard (which is laughable in itself).
Actually, I can download the OS from there - MSDN Universal Subscription is fun.
Key management is a big issue, check. I suspect that Network Solution(TM) (A Verisign(TM) company) would be happy to step in as a CA, ("We sold you your domain, now lets sign your key"), at which point I assume they would charge as much for that service as they do for signing your SSL key.
Currently I do not believe that there is a key-management solution in place for Secure DNS, leaving it in the same "exchange key information out-of-band" situation as PGP.
Or maybe he's overtired of that vapid, vacuuous non-entity of a corporation with their non-refunding, scare tactic, buggy software, screwing with standards, charging in with lawyers, and EULA a mile long ways.
--
(sourceCode == freeSpeech)
What's funny about this is that this is exactly what they tell their MCSE trainees *not* to do. ;) I ought to know - I'm studying for that AND my Sair Linux, A+, and CCNA. You wonder why I'm going crazy? ;)
les
CNA, MCP
Micro$oft got slashdotted? :-)
Jack
That's funny. I get:
Guess it just depends on your tools..
t_t_b
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Sorry to take the fun out of all this...
t_t_b
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About the only motivation for posting a "story" with such inflamatory wording is to get you sheep to post to /. in the thousands...
Get a clue, folks.
The only thing that matters around here is the volume of posts -- which seems to be dropping off in the last month or so...
The more posts, the more justification for keeping the advertising rates up.
And you sheep just keep playing right into their hands...
I'm browsing at +2, and the vast majority of posts at *that* level are pure drivel.
But you folks are giving 'em what they want: volume.
t_t_b
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I'm on PJ's "enemies" list! Are you?
In Europe, the RIPE would have rejected this design.
--jochen
He wasn't running it by choice. Older NT4 cds include only IE2 as the bundled browser. So when you go to download service packs and a newer IE, you're out of luck, since IE2 can't display microsoft.com.
Yes, you should probably have the service pack on cd, seperate download locations, etc.However, the fact still stands that this is the way a lot of people will default to patching a new NT4 install.
In a nutshell: Yup. Right on my brother.
I just thought it was slashdotted!
and hope they aren't using HTTP/1.1 virtual hosts?
It doesn't affect me because I read the web with telnet, but it might be a problem for some.
"don't fall into the fallacy of believing that Perl can solve social problems. Maybe Perl 6 can, but that's a ways off"
Sorry, should have read NT _4_
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
The wheel is turning, but the hamster is dead.
I see you've never heard of Microsoft's hotfixes. We used to have to install SP3 (for NT3), the intel adminpack up to a certain level and then 4 individual hotfixes in order to have our NT Workstations function properly (ie, Java that works). Microsoft has more hotfixes than any Linux distribution I've ever seen; that you haven't heard about them/don't use them says a lot about your Windows experience...
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
The wheel is turning, but the hamster is dead.
I don't know about other times (I've seen this before), but yesterday afternoon the US routing went to hell at least twice. I was able to reach from my cable modem to work, but unable to get to /. or gamespot. I started downloading some fairly large files, and they failed twice (damn Netscape's lack of Resume/FTP); each time I was unable to reconnect for like 15 minutes to these sites, but others seemed just fine. Perhaps the Gnutella effect is catching up with IP in general?
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
The wheel is turning, but the hamster is dead.
Don't fucking post it and don't bitch about it if it's so irrelevant.
Instant Karma's gonna get you...
Hmm, I justed checked with netcraft ... seems they
really did the job. Hotmails seems to be running Win2K.
The last I heard about that thing was that they didn't cope to do it with NT 4.0, even not after consulting the (inhouse) experts for NT 4.0 and the different servers.
But seems as if Windows is becoming better.
You never finish learning.
Michael Bergbauer (michael.bergbauer@gmx.net)
Try feeling that way when you have your helpdesk phones ringing off the hook for a service you don't even support.
And that's what I think.
Now might be a good time to d/l all those service packs ;-)
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DWR is Ajax for Java
> whois microsoft.com
.com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
- BY BIRTH.ARTISTICCHEESE.COM
. CO M
. OR G
S .N U
T IO N.COM
R OR ISTS.NET
T .J IMPHILLIPS.ORG
T IS TICCHEESE.COM
. CO M
V ES .NET
W OR K.COM
I S. FRANCS.DOUZE.ORG
N ET
.COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and
[whois.crsnic.net]
Whois Server Version 1.3
Domain names in the
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
MICROSOFT.COM.WILL.LIVE.FOREVER.BUT.LUNIX.SUCKS
MICROSOFT.COM.SHOULD.GIVE.UP.BECAUSE.LINUXISGOD
MICROSOFT.COM.SE.FAIT.HAX0RIZER.PAR.TOUT.LE.ZOY
MICROSOFT.COM.OWNED.BY.MAT.HACKSWARE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.N-AIME.BILL.QUE.QUAND.IL.N-EST.PA
MICROSOFT.COM.MUST.STOP.TAKEDRUGS.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SOON.GOING.TO.THE.DEATHCORPORA
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SECRETLY.RUN.BY.ILLUMINATI.TER
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NOTHING.BUT.A.MONSTER.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NO.MATCH.FOR.THE.UEBER-GEEKS.A
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.GOD.BUT.LINUX.SUCKS-FOREVER.AR
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.BORING.COMPARED.TO.TEENEXTREME
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.AT.THE.MERCY.OF.DETRIMENT.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.INSPIRES.COPYCAT.WANNABE.SUBVERSI
MICROSOFT.COM.HAS.NO.LINUXCLUE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.PSYKOJOKO.ON.A.ROOT-NET
MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.HACKSWARE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.GUTS.NL
MICROSOFT.COM.FAIT.VRAIMENT.DES.LOGICIELS.A.TRO
MICROSOFT.COM.ER.IKKE.NO.I.FORHOLD.TIL.LATHANS.
MICROSOFT.COM.AINT.WORTH.SHIT.KLUGE.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM
To single out one record, look it up with "xxx", where xxx is one of the
of the records displayed above. If the records are the same, look them up
with "=xxx" to receive a full display for each record.
>>> Last update of whois database: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:55:29 EST
The Registry database contains ONLY
Registrars.
Those humorous, albiet sophamoric, entries have been in there for months (at least a few of them have been.) I doubt they have anything to do with the current DNS issues.
http://windows.scares.us
XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX WED JAN 24, 2001 18:01:43 ET XXXXX
.com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information.
. CO M
. OR G
S .N U
T IO N.COM
R OR ISTS.NET
T .J IMPHILLIPS.ORG
T IS TICCHEESE.COM
. CO M
V ES .NET
W OR K.COM
I S. FRANCS.DOUZE.ORG
N ET
HACKERS' LEAVE BEHIND WARNING FOR MICROSOFT
Someone or something hacked the DNS Internet servers for MICROSOFT on Wednesday -- apparently bouncing-back traffic to the company's constellation of websites. The violators left behind a message, warning MICROSOFT that it should give up because the the Linux system "is God".
MSFT's main corporate Web site, its Hotmail.com site, auto sales site Carpoint.com, MSNBC and encyclopedia site Encarta.com were hit with traffic blocks on Wednesday.
The disjointed warning was still visible at Internic.Net, which catalogues and directs web domains:
Wednesday, January 24, 2001 05:35:12PM
WhoIs microsoft.com@whois.internic.net
Whois Server Version 1.3
Domain names in the
MICROSOFT.COM.SHOULD.GIVE.UP.BECAUSE.LINUXISGOD
MICROSOFT.COM.SE.FAIT.HAX0RIZER.PAR.TOUT.LE.ZOY
MICROSOFT.COM.OWNED.BY.MAT.HACKSWARE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.N-AIME.BILL.QUE.QUAND.IL.N-EST.PA
MICROSOFT.COM.MUST.STOP.TAKEDRUGS.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SOON.GOING.TO.THE.DEATHCORPORA
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SECRETLY.RUN.BY.ILLUMINATI.TER
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NOTHING.BUT.A.MONSTER.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NO.MATCH.FOR.THE.UEBER-GEEKS.A
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.GOD.BUT.LINUX.SUCKS-FOREVER.AR
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.BORING.COMPARED.TO.TEENEXTREME
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.AT.THE.MERCY.OF.DETRIMENT.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.INSPIRES.COPYCAT.WANNABE.SUBVERSI
MICROSOFT.COM.HAS.NO.LINUXCLUE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.PSYKOJOKO.ON.A.ROOT-NET
MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.HACKSWARE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.GUTS.NL
MICROSOFT.COM.FAIT.VRAIMENT.DES.LOGICIELS.A.TRO
MICROSOFT.COM.ER.IKKE.NO.I.FORHOLD.TIL.LATHANS.
MICROSOFT.COM.AINT.WORTH.SHIT.KLUGE.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM
There's just no need. (Well, I guess if you run windows you gotta get your service packs every few minutes ;)
Shouldn't the articles themselves be moderated for flamebait,troll etc..? What do you say CmdrTaco?
Everybody and there brother has submitted what has to be the least interesting story in months. Somebody please teach CmdrTaco the difference between there, their and they're.
What will will be Microsoft's spin on this now. We were testing our new secure DNS server's so secure nobody can use them.
You can make some of the people happy some of the time, but you can never make all of the people happy any of the time.
(...or something like that...)
--
Your Servant, B. Baggins
This is one of the reasons why application service providing (.NET) is a bad idea. If you or your company relies on a company to provide you with a word processor or some other insane program coupled into the net just think about what you're gonna do when/if the ASP goes down. It may only happen once or twice but that can be several hours of downtime for your company as well.
That IP (207.46.230.218) is working for right now for me to get to the MS home page.
This is why I stopped coming here months ago. I decided to pop in an see what was new, but I guess nothing is. "News for Nerds. Stuff that matters" only applies if you're CmdrTaco.
Microsoft is the biggest software company in the world. The fact that their DNS is down *is* interesting. Esp. considering it's been down for a while now. I personally hate Microsoft for the poor quality of products that they produce, but I'm still interested when things like this happen. What if Cisco's routers when down for an extended period? Would that be "irrelevant" as well?
But of course, Slashdot is useful if you're looking for the same things as CmdrTaco: readers opinions on anime sites, readers experience with corrective laser eye surgery, generic Microsoft bashing, etc...
I don't want to sell anything, buy anything, or process anything. I don't want to sell anything bought or processed...
Actually it has been just the opposite on the Mac. For the longest time I had to use Netscape to look at their site because the font rendered too small on IE. (My guess is that they were using "size =-1" to scale down the larger 120 dpi PC fonts.)
Know what I like about atheists? I've yet to meet one that believes God is on their side.
I too ran a DNS server under Windows NT 4.0. Mine ran in a semi production environment for the 3 years I was there. I say semiproduction because it was a heavily used server (fileshare, DHCP, DNS, Intranet, and printserver) in a development environment, if it was unavailable for any reason for more than a minute or two (took 3minutes to reboot during maintenance), it was noticed. Anyway, DNS was NEVER a problem (actually, the only problem I ever had was with Index Server for the Intranet activities...).
Chris
$ whois microsoft.com@whois.internic.net
.com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
- BY BIRTH.ARTISTICCHEESE.COM
. CO M
. OR G
S .N U
T IO N.COM
R OR ISTS.NET
T .J IMPHILLIPS.ORG
T IS TICCHEESE.COM
. CO M
V ES .NET
W OR K.COM
I S. FRANCS.DOUZE.ORG
N ET
[whois.internic.net]
Whois Server Version 1.3
Domain names in the
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
MICROSOFT.COM.WILL.LIVE.FOREVER.BUT.LUNIX.SUCKS
MICROSOFT.COM.SHOULD.GIVE.UP.BECAUSE.LINUXISGOD
MICROSOFT.COM.SE.FAIT.HAX0RIZER.PAR.TOUT.LE.ZOY
MICROSOFT.COM.OWNED.BY.MAT.HACKSWARE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.N-AIME.BILL.QUE.QUAND.IL.N-EST.PA
MICROSOFT.COM.MUST.STOP.TAKEDRUGS.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SOON.GOING.TO.THE.DEATHCORPORA
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SECRETLY.RUN.BY.ILLUMINATI.TER
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NOTHING.BUT.A.MONSTER.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NO.MATCH.FOR.THE.UEBER-GEEKS.A
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.GOD.BUT.LINUX.SUCKS-FOREVER.AR
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.BORING.COMPARED.TO.TEENEXTREME
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.AT.THE.MERCY.OF.DETRIMENT.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.INSPIRES.COPYCAT.WANNABE.SUBVERSI
MICROSOFT.COM.HAS.NO.LINUXCLUE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.PSYKOJOKO.ON.A.ROOT-NET
MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.HACKSWARE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.GUTS.NL
MICROSOFT.COM.FAIT.VRAIMENT.DES.LOGICIELS.A.TRO
MICROSOFT.COM.ER.IKKE.NO.I.FORHOLD.TIL.LATHANS.
MICROSOFT.COM.AINT.WORTH.SHIT.KLUGE.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM
To single out one record, look it up with "xxx", where xxx is one of the
of the records displayed above. If the records are the same, look them up
with "=xxx" to receive a full display for each record.
>>> Last update of whois database: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:55:29 EST <<<
Let's see..
microsoft.com
msn.com
hotmail.com
zone.com
Those are the domains off the top of my head that are most likely on those servers and are now kaput. I learned about this last night while playing Asheron's Call. Imagine that, playing Microsoft published games. There are a few out there, Taco, and guess where their DNS is hosted.
Also, let's not forget that because of Microsoft's problems the net as a whole is having problems because of how many DNS servers coughing and dying under the load of hundreds of thousands of stalled connections. I bet that is a "Yawn" to you but certainly isn't something that the ISPs are shrugging off.
Your treatment of this matter disgusts me. I dislike Microsoft as much as the next guy but try engaging your brain before you type and THINK about what might be going on.
-- Grey d'Miyu, not just another pretty color.
--
Rob Carlson
Will MS report it when /.'s DNS goes down?
Scuttlemonkey is a troll
Thank god I converted my company to use postfix
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Subject: Your report on hackers leaving warning is inaccurate
. CO M.
T RIMBLE.COM, and that would involve no hacking as well. I'd just be creating a heck of a lot of sub-domains.
From: xxxxx@yyyyy.co.nz
Date: 01/25/2001 (NZ time)
To: drudge@drudgereport.com
Since you don't seem to quite understand how Domain Name Servers (DNS) work, let me give
you a quick description:
The heiarchy is read BACKWARDS.
Example:
www.microsoft.com
(I did this graphically in the real e-mail to him, but that causes Slashdot to think this is a "junk character post".)
-com: Top level domain (TLD). This is controlled by ICANN.
-microsoft.: Domain. Controlled by the registrar and SOLD to Microsoft.
-www.: Sub-domain. COMPLETELY controlled by microsoft and their DNS servers.
An important thing to realize is that there can be SUBDOMAINS of SUBDOMAINS ad-infinium.
Microsoft could easily register: WE.THINK.LINUX.SUCKS.BUY.MICROSOFT.COM.
So what is REALLY happening is that the owner of LINUXISGOD.COM has created enough subdomains in his DNS server to read
MICROSOFT.COM.SHOULD.GIVE.UP.BECAUSE.LINUXISGOD
This involves NO HACKING. NONE. ZERO! If I had access to the DNS servers at trimble, I could easily create MICROSOFT.COM.SHOULD.ONLY.USE.GPS.RECEIVERS.FROM.
Now if microsoft's DNS really WAS hacked, then you'd be seeing entries like this:
MICROSOFT.SUCKS.MICROSOFT.COM, because to create that, you would have to have access to the Microsoft domain name server.
Furthermore, these entries have been in the WHOIS server for several MONTHS now. It does NOT affect Microsoft's DNS server.
So please retract your story, or at least correct it.
Thanks,
Jason Eager
(Who reads the Drudge report quite a lot).
>Good grief. How about shooting for a sixth grade literacy level?
:)
In fairness to taco, I "was taught" the explicit grammatical differences between 'there' and 'their' (and they're) in 7th Grade "Advanced English."
I actually learned the differences myself in about 3rd grade.
SlashSigTheorem: Humorous, Political, Critical, Constructive- If you have a
this article says it's server issues. i was trying last night to download some random files off of their download site and was getting the "This server was unable to complete your request." then something about hitting too many web threads or something. that would be a DOS attack. i think they took down the dns to isolate the problem, repair it, and then get on with life.
i could be wrong. *shrug*
Why read the article when I can just make up a snap judgement?
Of course the real kicker, is that if your brother called you and said that the government was recycling dead people into cow food, you'd never believe him. Your own brother.
Until you saw it on the news.... isn't it amazing, that we BELIEVE SO STRONGLY in the press. Yet, we generally have a much lower respect for them on a whole than our own family.
And if I said, don't trust the press, you might think I was paranoid. Let me tell you, the press don't investigate anything. They are FED by our corporations and governments. Show me a TRUE investigative journalist who works on a national scale, and I'll show you a dead or out of work one.
The conflict of interest is ashtonishing.
Amazing,
Pan
I said no... but I missed and it came out yes.
Ehm, I was doing heavy development on it all summer, without a single crash. I guess it just depends on the hardware, eh...no, no, it couldn't be the hardware's fault. Or the 3rd party drivers...no, of course it couldn't be those. There were some pretty serious bugs in some of the things I (and coworkers) wrote, and they never brought down my machine.
My plan is to pimp before they realize I'm a jackass. Hit 'em hard and fast.
Ehm, if it's a 3rd party driver, maybe you should try updating the drivers in your computer?
Some driver is probably failing, but that should never ever crash an OS, especially a server OS
Bah, you've probably never tried using Linux with newish hardware...I can tell you it'll often hard crash the computer, down to the point that you can't even do ctrl-alt-del or ctrl-alt-bspc (in X), or ctrl-alt-sysrq.
My plan is to pimp before they realize I'm a jackass. Hit 'em hard and fast.
No, as I said, ctrl-alt-del and ctrl-alt-sysrq don't even work...by hard crash, I mean hard crash, where nothing works except the power and reset buttons. I've had videocard drivers do this to me, and I've had wireless network drivers do it.
My plan is to pimp before they realize I'm a jackass. Hit 'em hard and fast.
If you spent more time typing "dialogic drivers linux" in a Google search and less time fuming, you would know by now that there *are* Dialogic drivers for Linux.
check it out.. type whois microsoft.com in a term. (sorry windows users you'll have to find a web based whois query program). You get this response.
.com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
- BY BIRTH.ARTISTICCHEESE.COM
. CO M
. OR G
S .N U
T IO N.COM
R OR ISTS.NET
T .J IMPHILLIPS.ORG
T IS TICCHEESE.COM
. CO M
V ES .NET
W OR K.COM
I S. FRANCS.DOUZE.ORG
N ET
.COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and
[whois.crsnic.net]
Whois Server Version 1.3
Domain names in the
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
MICROSOFT.COM.WILL.LIVE.FOREVER.BUT.LUNIX.SUCKS
MICROSOFT.COM.SHOULD.GIVE.UP.BECAUSE.LINUXISGOD
MICROSOFT.COM.SE.FAIT.HAX0RIZER.PAR.TOUT.LE.ZOY
MICROSOFT.COM.OWNED.BY.MAT.HACKSWARE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.N-AIME.BILL.QUE.QUAND.IL.N-EST.PA
MICROSOFT.COM.MUST.STOP.TAKEDRUGS.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SOON.GOING.TO.THE.DEATHCORPORA
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SECRETLY.RUN.BY.ILLUMINATI.TER
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NOTHING.BUT.A.MONSTER.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NO.MATCH.FOR.THE.UEBER-GEEKS.A
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.GOD.BUT.LINUX.SUCKS-FOREVER.AR
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.BORING.COMPARED.TO.TEENEXTREME
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.AT.THE.MERCY.OF.DETRIMENT.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.INSPIRES.COPYCAT.WANNABE.SUBVERSI
MICROSOFT.COM.HAS.NO.LINUXCLUE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.PSYKOJOKO.ON.A.ROOT-NET
MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.HACKSWARE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.GUTS.NL
MICROSOFT.COM.FAIT.VRAIMENT.DES.LOGICIELS.A.TRO
MICROSOFT.COM.ER.IKKE.NO.I.FORHOLD.TIL.LATHANS.
MICROSOFT.COM.AINT.WORTH.SHIT.KLUGE.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM
To single out one record, look it up with "xxx", where xxx is one of the
of the records displayed above. If the records are the same, look them up
with "=xxx" to receive a full display for each record.
>>> Last update of whois database: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:29:23 EST <<<
The Registry database contains ONLY
Registrars.
Doesn't that whole "same /24 network" business relate to the bad old days when you only had one 'net connection and if it went down you lost your entire DNS connectivity?
/24 doesn't mean they've got four desktop PCs sitting on a table with a Cisco 2500 with a post-it that reads "INTERNET DO NOT TOUCH -Bill G.".
I'd bet that the that subnet is serviced by a multihomed upstream connection. It may cause problems if their BGP peering flaps, but the loss of one upstream connection alone wouldn't be a big deal.
My guess'd be that their DNS servers are neither physically proximate nor even plugged into the same switch. They could be in different geographical locations bridged together over a private ATM network. That they "show up" on a single
Once again, it looks like the Register is giving out meaningful news and Slashdot can only manage trolls.
Now I know why I read one more and the other less.
Maybe when VA Linux collapses and Cmdr Taco has to get a real job, he can take some journalism classes.
*yawn*
/16 and yanked a /18 out of it, and assigned it up there in redmond someplace.
:P 15 routes into that block alone.. that's pretty redundant. I think the better fuck up on their part is this one:
First of all, Microsoft does have their own internal network. For all you know, they might be simply announcing an aggregate, and then using IGP to route over their own internal network. And how the hell do you know there's only a single route to that class C? In fact, lets see here now:
(from nitrous looking glass)
BGP routing table entry for 207.46.128.0/18, version 30012368
Paths: (15 available, best #12)
hmm
Microsoft (NETBLK-MICROSOFT-GLOBAL-NET)
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98103
US
Netname: MICROSOFT-GLOBAL-NET
Netblock: 207.46.0.0 - 207.46.255.255
gee.. they took their
Now how do you know that they didn't put 2 name servers in redmond, and another one maybe in downtown seattle?
Domain System inverse mapping provided by:
DNS4.CP.MSFT.NET 207.46.138.11
DNS4.CP.MSFT.NET 207.46.138.11
=)
void clue();
Some of us dont depend on it at all. Like UNIX Administrators, but I would be upset too if sunsolve was down and I wanted to grab the latest patch cluster.
Microsoft aggravates my tourettes syndrome.
Whoa, you mean Microsoft employees were checking out a story about Microsoft? Wow! Did you send that one to Ripley's Believe It or Not?
Cheers,
Yes, people enjoy seeing the bully stumble, but that isn't what this story is about. This is about the very important Web site of a major company being uinavailable for long periods of time.
BTW, can anyone out there try Macromedia.com. I can't reach it via browser, pings come back "unreachable from gateway 64.41.195.26", my ISP can't ping them (insync.net) and a third party ISP (exodus.net) can't reach them.
A clueless Macromedia person reached on the phone suggested that I restart my browser.
"The world is a construct of forceful imagination. Those who don't know walk around in the reailties of those who do"
I must point out, on the subject of service packs, that you are wrong. If you look at the total number of executable bytes changed by the MSWindows services packs (ANY version of windows - check before and after upgrade) and you compare it to the total number of changed executable bytes in Red Hat after you apply all updates (of all types - enhancements, security, bug fixes) issued over the same time period you will find that MSwindows has made more changes in their pack.
But, since they don't supply anything other than a minimalistic binary patch file, they can download a bit faster, yes.
This doesn't even address the fact that Red Hat is maintaining a complete system, with the ability to do anything, and MSwindows merely is a GUI on a simple DOS OS. There are no major useful apps like BIND or sendmail in MSwindows, and those apps that are available (simple client stuff like explorer, notepad et al) have brethren under Red Hat.
Now, I freely agree that Malda was trolling. So what? It's his site! Furthermore, your response is inaccurate and misrepresents fact on the subject of updates and service packs - Red Hat is more reliable and bug free than any MS product that I use, despite its many shortcomings. The fact that they issue timely bug fixes that include complete new installable packages is a plus for me, regardless of how long they take to download. There are bugs in MSWindows that they seem to have no intention of EVER fixing - for example, the broken DHCP client in MSwin98 which does not fully conform to the RFC despite several service packs.
For the record, I admin Solaris, SCO, linux, HP-UX, WinNT, and Novell daily. I have a great deal of experience adminning VMS, DOS, and MACos and somewhat less with OS/400 and Pre-OS/390 MVS. I don't think I am speaking as a person who is fixated on ANY vendor - certainly not Red Hat.
Oh, and BTW - VMSinstal was the easiest system update tool I have ever used. Too bad DEC/Compaq is pricing VMS out of existence...
--Charlie
Check out the BlueScreen Screen Saver by Sysinternals. It will display a realistic BSOD based on your real system config (memory size, processor, build, etc.), reboot, and display the appropriate splash screen for your OS. On NT, it even does a simulated CHKDSK with errors.
Decieve your friends and scare your enemies!
--
Mike Hollinger
Michael C. Hollinger
whois microsoft.com@rs.internic.net [rs.internic.net] Whois Server Version 1.3 Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.i>>> Last update of whois database: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:55:29 EST >> Last update of whois database: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:55:29 EST
The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and
Registrars.
Usually I have to request a page 3 times before slashdot will return it. First try I usually get a "connecting to..." status for 30 seconds +, then I re-request and get a "making request..." status for a while, then on my third try Slashdot will actually handle the page request.
--
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"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
I'm not normally a spelling flamer
So what kind of flamer are you? Haha.
Seriously, his spelling and grammar are much improved in this post. Perhaps the drubbing he got in this quickies story convinced him to pay attention?
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"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
Reporters? Morals? Ethics?
Huh, what? You lost me. They just don't mix, at least not in Indianapolis.
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"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
The bad: those of us stuck supporting M$ junk can't get our daily bug fixes/workarounds.
The good: net congestion should drop dramatically, since we can't get our daily bug fixes/workarounds.
Ignorance is the root of all evil.
big ouch....
wrong whois query
There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary and those who don't.
Don't know if its related, but do a whois on
microsoft.com
netscape.com
aol.com
timewarner.com
yahoo.com
Like his is low or anything.
He's only a figurehead now. On June 28, 1999, Andover.Net bought Slashdot and all of Malda's "Blockstackers" company for $1.5 million. Malda is now Andover.Net's employee.
Yes he is their employee, but he also has full creative and editorial control over Slashdot.
1337
thats leet in 1337 5p34k
leet, short for elite.
you are elite if you 7yp3 1n 1337 5p34k, get it ?
or so the script kiddies think.
D.
You can tell how powerful someone is by the magnitude of the crime they can commit and be able to get away with.
*diskiller sighs ;)
... its stuck, esp when accounts are created, and slashdot keeps it case sensitive.
DiSKiLLeR is how i wrote my nick some 10 years ago. Unfortunately
If you find me on irc (BorgChat, EFnet, Dalnet, etc) i tend to spell it all lowercase now 'diskiller'. It looks less script kiddie, and it seems to have started ever since someone in #FreeBSD/Efnet told me so, and that it was annoying.
Seriously, though. If i do kernel hacking (like porting FreeBSD over to sparc) i doubt i'm a script kiddie.
D.
You can tell how powerful someone is by the magnitude of the crime they can commit and be able to get away with.
... you realize you are so ready for IBM.
// EvilJohn
// Java Geek
Less Talk, More Beer.
"So they lost their DNS for a few hours.
It's a big deal because if you're supporting a few thousand PC's with some version of a Microsoft home page, or with a bunch of auto-update or additional resource features that hit MS web sites, you're getting calls about this. If you've planned to set up and test a bunch of new machines today, you'll think something is wrong with the Internet connection.
Even if you don't give a rat's ass about MS - the company, if you don't give a rat's ass about its users, they're never going to care about you or anything you care about either.
Remember the stories about the expired passport.com domain (the heart of MS's access management for Hotmail, MSN, and a lot of other heavily used services) that was renewed by a third party, someone who doesn't otherwise use MS stuff?
I've been hunting around for reference, and a good lot of it is on the Microsoft site (which is currently MIA). Am I screwed?
No, thanks to Google.
If you haven't used the cache feature on Google to get at the content of a dead link, you're missing something wonderful (just click the little grey "cached" under the link name). I can view all the Microsoft pages without Microsoft even being online. Wonderful!
-- "I am disrespectful to dirt. Can you not see that I am serious!"
Okay, my reply.
I've used Windows and Linux, and one of my BIG gripes with moving from DOS/Win3.1 to Win95 was that applications didn't install in one directory only. They spread all over the place.
With Linux applications (AND libraries!), you can install them in their own, isolated folders. How simple can it be to see what files are used for a specific tool? Try "make -n install".
One nice thing about Linux is that you don't HAVE to go online for everything; fully adequate documentation is often included with the packages (and I hate looking at the source code.)
I'm on a 28.8 modem. This matters. I hate going online to get docs, or howtos, or ESPECIALLY searching TechNet, since the MS pages are so incredibly, unnecessarily huge.
-lf
I have read CmdrTaco's post and thought I have not read something so funny in a while!
I'm a bit shocked to see so many negative comments by M$$t friends.
Bob, just go on like that!!
this will make me want to use .NET even more.. just think.. all of your company's data would be inaccessible right now, during the morning workday (at least on the east coast).
I can't wait!
BilldaCat
I am frequently unable (several times per month) unable to reach Slashdot, sometimes up to an hour or so per outage.
BilldaCat
How many times do we need to see the same information? I would just moderate as redundant, but it seems painfully obvious that no one realizes that the DNS has not been "compromised". None of the domains end in "microsoft.com" they start with it. If it was hacked, you would see something more like "blah.blah.blah.go.to.hell.microsoft.com"
Geez.
It's just as easy to make microsoft.com.slashdot.org
I understand the point you were trying to make... This is not exactly CNN here... BUT...
:)
this is not technically the case. Slashdot is owned by VA Linux, a publically traded company. As a (very small) stock owner, I own (a very small) part of slashdot too which means that taco is (or should be) accountable to other people than himself.
Since filing a class action lawsuit against VA linux is popular these days, a bunch of stock owner could sue VA Linux (and Taco) to force him to resign - possibly claiming that he is alienating his readers by bashing m$ so blantantly, thus affecting banner ad revenue, therefore affecting stock price.
I know this last paragraph is a stretch, but I just had this idea and decided to run with it
I'm sure this will never be mod-ed up unless the mod's are more openminded than Taco - but here's what happened to MS, and it wasn't because of their network architecture - and this attack could have happened to any site on the net.
.com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
- BY BIRTH.ARTISTICCHEESE.COM
. CO M
. OR G
S .N U
T IO N.COM
R OR ISTS.NET
T .J IMPHILLIPS.ORG
T IS TICCHEESE.COM
. CO M
V ES .NET
W OR K.COM
I S. FRANCS.DOUZE.ORG
N ET
.COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and
Whois Server Version 1.3
Domain names in the
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
MICROSOFT.COM.WILL.LIVE.FOREVER.BUT.LUNIX.SUCKS
MICROSOFT.COM.SHOULD.GIVE.UP.BECAUSE.LINUXISGOD
MICROSOFT.COM.SE.FAIT.HAX0RIZER.PAR.TOUT.LE.ZOY
MICROSOFT.COM.OWNED.BY.MAT.HACKSWARE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.N-AIME.BILL.QUE.QUAND.IL.N-EST.PA
MICROSOFT.COM.MUST.STOP.TAKEDRUGS.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SOON.GOING.TO.THE.DEATHCORPORA
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SECRETLY.RUN.BY.ILLUMINATI.TER
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NOTHING.BUT.A.MONSTER.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NO.MATCH.FOR.THE.UEBER-GEEKS.A
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.GOD.BUT.LINUX.SUCKS-FOREVER.AR
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.BORING.COMPARED.TO.TEENEXTREME
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.AT.THE.MERCY.OF.DETRIMENT.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.INSPIRES.COPYCAT.WANNABE.SUBVERSI
MICROSOFT.COM.HAS.NO.LINUXCLUE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.PSYKOJOKO.ON.A.ROOT-NET
MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.HACKSWARE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.GUTS.NL
MICROSOFT.COM.FAIT.VRAIMENT.DES.LOGICIELS.A.TRO
MICROSOFT.COM.ER.IKKE.NO.I.FORHOLD.TIL.LATHANS.
MICROSOFT.COM.AINT.WORTH.SHIT.KLUGE.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM
To single out one record, look it up with "xxx", where xxx is one of the
of the records displayed above. If the records are the same, look them up
with "=xxx" to receive a full display for each record.
>>> Last update of whois database: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:29:23 EST
The Registry database contains ONLY
Registrars.
John 17:20
Yeah, doesn't it suck when you have to upgrade your system every two minutes Taco? I hate it when it interrupts my DiabloII sessions, or that DVD I'm watching on the plane... geeze that ticks me off. 'Cause, those are the only reasons you run windows, right? It's a shame to have to reboot, huh?
PS. - Can someone help me dislodge my tounge from my cheek?
... An unoffical mirror of microsoft's site is available here. :)
The question was rhetorical.
Open Source. Closed Minds. We are Slashdot.
Linux should take a cue from Microsoft if it wants to succeed.
...slashdot was a bunch of linux hackers in Holland, Michigan, not cnn.com! Who the hell are you to say that CmdrTaco is bound to some journalistic standard? Indeed, he pissed me off, but it's his web site!
Slashdot 's editors are dickheads
The industry standard for uptime is an availability of 5 9's or 99.999% availability.
Microsoft put lots of info on stability of windows 2000, including some documents showing that it can reach this figure (sorry, but I can't give the URLS;).
Apparently, they are unable to reproduce this for their own servers as, of now, their downtime for these exceed 0.0017 % (calculated over 1 year).
Hey, this is pure microsoft bashing, so what ? Isn't this post all about ?
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#include "coucou.h"
Yep, I have checked the website using the IP adress. I don't say that their WEB server was down but that their server was down.
Btw, the web server works but is un-usable due to and tags relating to microsoft.com references.
Have you checked the internic databases ?
I don't think they are screwed up, they are pointing to the accurate microsoft dns server (see others posts).
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#include "coucou.h"
Yeah, this is amazingly funny. Everyone is calling in saying that it's down, but we can't do a damn thing about it bacause it's an external site.
The party's over
Hasn't this kind of DNS tomfoolery been covered here on /. before? ...anyway, there was a hoax (or spate of mis-informed news stories, or a hack of somekind - whichever) focusing around this very issue a while back.
Those interested can read something about those events here: http://www.terrorists.net/hacked.htm
Taco got thousands of e-mails about MS being down, an obviously major event, so to tweak you all he posts a "so what, who ever goes there?" story.
Think about it. REALLY think about it
Don't you feel silly now?
--
Taco means octopus in Japanese.
It also means idiot.
If you don't want to repeat the past, stop living in it.
You're missing the point: Redhat is NOT linux.
For instance - Debian
Linux 358 136.04 37.60
90-day Moving average 385 92.23 26.37
Or, Slackware
Linux 32 77.84 12.03
56-day Moving average 57 55.02 40.03
Or, Mandrake
Linux 30 169.21 15.21
40-day Moving average 41 160.54 82.00
Or, Suse
Linux 50 112.07 59.23
62-day Moving average 63 111.07 31.67
I could go one, but I think you see the point. Oh hey, one more just for fun...
Windows 2000 405 75.22 11.85
90-day Moving average 476 18.76 15.62
Fawking Trolls!
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion." - Jed Babbin
We think that it isn't news because it can - and will - happen to any site. Computer outages happen. People are inconvenienced. This is news in the same way as "Bill Gates in car wreck" is news - it's something that happens to people every day of the year, but because some famous name is attached to it, it suddenly becomes important instead of trivial. I think Taco thinks - and I know I do - that just because it's Gates in the car or MS experiencing the technical difficulties, it's still a trivial, unimportant event.
Msn.com isn't down. Neither is Microsoft.com. What is down is all four (4) of MSN's DNS servers, so that anything that is relying on those name servers is effectively disconnected from the internet. This is posted on Internet Explorer running on NT4 through a dialup connection to MSN. The only reason this works is that I have entries for slashdot.org in admin$\system32\drivers\etc\hosts. /. seems to be the only available place with current information for severe problems with Microsoft software.
Just like with the LoveBug,
>>Lets get in perspective, this IS serious news for Hotmail users and anyone trying to get past a DNS look-up area.
.NET
Like anyone trying to go through MSN dialup to anywhere else.
riason de etre. (sp?)
reason to be
reason for existence
without this, nothing.
Somehow I think this gives an idea of the future of
Yes.
What was your worst day on the job? Probably, it was a day when things really didn't go well after an upgrade or equipment change.
I haven't had a worst day on the job. I plan my changes carefully, I make them slowly, and one at a time. If I'm not certain that an upgrade or change is going to work right, I test it on a system that if it is unavailable for a week, only a few people might get bent out of shape.
So, before you criticize how "dumb" their admins are, and whatever else, remember two things: 1) This same problem (DNS outage) has happened to any real admin on Slashdot, and 2) the MS network admins are having a very bad day.
The difference between the M$ admins and me is that they earn 3 times what I do and they get stock options. The other difference is that I'm not on a leash (beeper and/or cell phone) and when I leave for the day, I leave for the day.
I call that a bonus. Besides, I wouldn't last long at M$ before I ripped a corporate HQ-type a new one...and that would have been the end of that job...
I am BOFH. Resistance is futile. Your network will be assimilated.
James
The outage is affecting other msoft sites,
notably hotmail. There. The outage affects me because I use hotmail, so sue me.
--
whuppy enjoys smelling like diesel fuel
I noticed a similar thing yesterday while trying to find out why Slashdot's DNS was down (was a bad router in sprintlink).
.com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
.COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and
[whois.crsnic.net]
Whois Server Version 1.3
Domain names in the
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
SLASHDOT.ORG.SUCKS.COMPARED.TO.JIMPHILLIPS.ORG
SLASHDOT.ORG
To single out one record, look it up with "xxx", where xxx is one of the
of the records displayed above. If the records are the same, look them up
with "=xxx" to receive a full display for each record.
>>> Last update of whois database: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:55:29 EST
The Registry database contains ONLY
Registrars.
Number three from the bottom (counting the real microsfot.com) is danish, and means:
"microsoft.com is not number one compared to lathans.net"
Can't help on the french one, though...
Bo
ALTHOUGH, they have have recently added this new crappy rtf thing that has all sorts of bugs, and I wish I could keep it from even starting. But eh, oh well.
sure, hotmail goes down a lot. But its not like I have -important- stuff sent to my hotmail account...anything important goes to one of the other multitudes of accounts. Hotmail is just convienent.
anyone know an IP of a hotmail login server (have it in their tables already, or whatever) and could share?
May well be too late for this anyway, but if anybody's still reading way down here the following may be of interest:
O M
I just want to be sure everyone's straight on a couple of things.
1. The information about the Microsoft whois results is not unique to
Microsoft, Demon.net, nor is it anything new. As an example;
From: Yehuda Sharvit
To: NTBUGTRAQ@LISTSERV.NTBUGTRAQ.COM
Old stuff.
I got this from whois.internic.net 5 months ago:
AOL.COM.STOCKHOLDERS.GET.ORALSEXONDEMAND.COM
AOL.COM.KCAUTOWEB.COM
AOL.COM.IS.REGULARLY.HAX0RED.BY.INSIDE-AOL.COM
AOL.COM.HACKED.BY.PSYKOJOKO.ON.A.ROOT-NETWORK.C
AOL.COM.EATMYSHIT.ORG
AOL.COM.AMSLIQUIDATORS.COM
AOL.COM
2. There is no correlation between the whois information and the fact that
Microsoft domains' DNS servers are currently down (or were down at the time
of sending this message).
~11:00pm Pacific Time last night Microsoft DNS servers suffered some sort of
technical problem. Whether this is a DoS or not is still speculation, MS
have not stated clearly what is the cause but say they are currently working
on a solution. Domains such as Microsoft.com, MSN.com, Hotmail.com,
MSNBC.com, and many others maintained by those DNS servers are all currently
unavailable.
An example IP address that you can use to verify that their web servers are
still up is;
http://207.46.230.229/ms.htm
3. There have been some reports of browsers being redirected to other web
pages when looking for sites like www.microsoft.com. MyDomains.com and
Register.com have both, allegedly, delivered up web pages to clients looking
for Microsoft sites.
From all of the information I've been able to see, in my opinion this would
appear to be a result of sporadic problems with Microsoft's DNS servers from
as far back as Thursday last week. If the MS DNS' were failing back then,
clients who have multiple DNS servers configured which include
non-rootservers might have received entries for such popular site addresses
as www.microsoft.com or www.yahoo.com which were statically entered into a
DNS server which the client queried (e.g. not an authoritative server for
the domain in question). Large DNS installations may have done this to limit
the bandwidth their servers would use to make dynamic or periodic queries on
such popular site names, thinking they'd not change.
However, in each case I've had reported it would appear that when the
dynamic or periodic query fails, the address supplied to a client query is
that of some internal server (internal to the org hosting the DNS server,
possibly the address of the DNS server itself). Some reports have suggested
DNS hijacking but I've seen nothing that resembles that.
4. On the surface it looks as if Microsoft's main DNS servers are housed on
the same physical network segment. Determining whether this is accurate or
not is pretty difficult if you're not at the backbone level, but the
addresses for their servers appear in a single subnet range.
They may well be using something like a Cisco Distributed Director to
redirect DNS queries around the world. If that's true, one would think they
would have been able to have it replaced by now, or at least removed and let
the servers handle the queries directly.
Its actually quite astonishing that they haven't been able to get any form
of DNS up to respond to public queries. This fact certainly adds fuel to the
conspiracy theories, be that disgruntled and banned gamers seeking revenge
or some DoS against DNS that can't be filtered.
Unfortunately, unless we get an email from some private account, we're not
going to see something from MS on this until the issue is resolved (if you
don't count the PR quotes being offered by some folks by phone).
More as it uncovers itself.
Cheers,
Russ - Surgeon General of TruSecure Corporation/NTBugtraq Editor
-- Alastair
-- "I believe the human being and the fish can coexist peacefully." - George W. Bush, 29 September 2000
Looks like the zones crapped out...
MarNuke
Let me breaks news to you. With DNS and domain names, for it to be down even one minute in a year is very bad. If you understood DNS you would realize that it has built in load balancing and fail over.
MarNuke
Right on. I'm no M$ lover, but I really don't see the point of this story either.
And LOL: News for kiddies. Stuff thats l337
I'll be laughing about that one for a while...
The "server" command switches the name server, looking up the IP address for the new server using the current nameserver. So if your current nameserver is set to dns7.cp.msft.net, then of course it's going to time out with the command "server dns6.cp.msft.net."
Oops, that was silly of me. I never realized I'd switched to a broken nameserver, and was then trying to use it...
But, the reason I searched for microsoft.com the first time was I wanted the SOA for microsoft.com, the domain. Then, once I found the authoritative nameserver for microsoft.com, I wanted the A record for www.microsoft.com, as it is certainly the most used hostname... I didn't want to check microsoft.com. Still scarred from the days when dejanews.com and www.dejanews.com weren't the same place.
--- Where's my X.400 protocol decoder?
Yes, I visit microsoft.com through their developers' library. Useful even you're not developing for a MS-based OS.
- I don't need to go outside, my CRT tan'll do me just fine.
But that is *exactly* what you did say. Don't blame me for your own incompetence.
If you are sufficiently stupid to think that installing a service pack can 'crash your HD' then you have no business trying to post anything that even looks vaguely technical.
While http://www.zone.com is non-functional the Microsoft Gaming Zone can (at least for me) be accessed using http://zone.msn.com
--McVerne
> Um...why do you say they're on the same segment? Don't you know how netmasks work?
I *DO* know how subnets work, and, most likely, these *ARE* subnetted. But, that's beside the point.
You can't distribute a BGP route with a mask of more then 24 bits, due to restrictions most providers have on route propagation. You can try it, but it will fall into the bit bucket on some backbones.
The reasons the backbones do this is to limit the number of routes on the Internet.
As a result, from a backbone provider's point of view, the entire class C (at a MINIMUM! Can anyone post exactly what MS's BGP routes look like?) is pointing at a signle point of enterence into the network. Thus, while MS definately has redundant backbone connections, your traceroutes will always follow the same path for ANY address in this class C -- until you get into MS's network -- even if the subnetted.
I hope this makes sense. It's complicated, but the simple way of explaining it is: There is ONLY ONE ROUTE INTO THIS CLASS C. Thus, it goes into a single geographical location, although it may go back out through MS's network to others.
Thus: there is a single point of failure, period.
sub(rant)
To CmdrTaco: stop bashing M$
to all the people bashing CmdrTaco for bashing M$:
shut the hell up.
M$ products aren't perfect, *nix's aren't perfect. However, the thing that nobody seems to accept, is that they both need each other. In alot of the places that M$ is lacking in, Linux is strong. In alot of the places that Linux is lacking in, M$ is strong. If one went away, then the other would not have any incentive to get better and would stagnate.
The truth is, is you can still do more stuff in windows than in linux. In windows i use photoshop, Lightwave, Visual Basic, Frontpage, numerous games, and numerous other programs. I use linux for word processing (StarOffice), as a Primary domain controller/file/print server, Web server, proxy server, messing with perl, and other leet stuff we all know linux does. The only way that I would every move over to pure linux is if/when more programs are ported over to linux. As far as i can tell, that isn't going to happen any time soon. The primary focus is on building free alternatives from scratch. I would much rather see stuff like what IDSoftware did with quake I&II. It would be cool if companies could start building apps that could be used with either a windows binary or a linux binary.
For example If i buy a program for windows, and i wanted to use it for linux, either i could get the linux binary off of the install media, or from the company after i proved my windows license.
I guess what I'm getting at is that both sides of the M$ vs. Linux fight should just knock it off. You are being a bunch of immature punks. It is going to be a long time before one or the other actually truly becomes better than the other. Until then, shut yer pie hole!
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Opportunities multiply as they are seized. --Sun-Tzu
ok, here is what has happened today:
My cable modem was acting like a 56k modem until the minute hotmail came back up
My school was down (nobody could figure out what the hell was wrong...something at district office (not positive about this because they can mess up anything there, but everything else is a fact)...
The network for Honeywell (soon to be GE) was down.
A local hospotal (sorry, can't name names) was down.
What the heck is going on?
Has Microsoft's secret army that was trained in the Philipeans stated attacking us?
I'm glad you had such nice experiences. I myself had horrible experiences with it. Maybe it's because you are such an expert on w2k. I guess w2k is not so easy to install, setup and use by an average person. It obviously requires some registry hacks or something because I can't find the tab with the button on it that says "please make me stop rebooting randomly 5 times a week".
War is necrophilia.
You are absolutely right. Try taking the same hardware and install BSD or Solaris on it and see if it crashes just as regularly. Having done this several times I can state without hesitaion that the same hardware that breaks windows repeatedly works flawylessly under linux or freebsd.
Windows has a lot of hardware incompatibility problems especially with dells and compaqs (some of the best selling computers).
As for you other point yes it's certainly true that windows suffers from a woeful lack of drivers. Almost any hardware you install has to have drivers from the manufacturer and most of them are buggy and crash your system. To this day I don't have one signed driver in my W2K machine because the manufacturers have not gotten around to supporting it yet.
Running W2K on a recent model (PIII 700) Dell has proven to be a nighmare of stability for me. OTOH a slightly older dell (pIII450) runs linux flawlessly and never crashes and burns despite running a 50 gig postgres database, a web server, X, and doing regular developement.
MS really ought to crack down hard on Dell and compaq and of course the video and audio people.
Maybe it's easier to write drivers for linux or something who knows.
War is necrophilia.
If you work for an unethical (ok downright evil) corporation like Microsoft you are helping them perpetuate that evil. No matter how insignifact your job is you are a cog in the machinary that perpetuates evil.
Who cares about the emotions of the some drone surely their emotions did nothing to stop Ms from screwing over everybody who came in contact with them.
War is necrophilia.
Who the fuck cares man. If you like windows so much go hang out at Devx or microsoft.com forums. Why do you feel the need to come here and karma whore by
1) Critising slashdot
2) praising windows.
Every pro MS post was modded up to 5. What the fuck else do you want?
War is necrophilia.
good fucking lord,
thanks steve.
Juln
actually,
ms products need a service pack every few minutes,
but unfortunately get one every 6 months.
yes, Windows sucks.
Juln
Get a clue. This can't happen to every site. This stupidity can't even happen to my personal site. Some of us do have several dns server and if one gets totaly messed up, there are 2 others. I don't care what happens, if you nuke Kansas City where my main server is, you can still get to the back up because dns will still resolve since I've got 3 dns servers.
Most smart sysadmins won't put all four dns servers on the same network. Whoever did that deserves to properly get fired at once.
I've been dealing with DNS since about 1985 and other than inital setup, I have yet to have a dns outage. Sure I've spent time cussing getting things running at first, but read the docs from the people who have been there first and see the light. There is a way to properly do it and the idiot at M$ didn't bother finding out what that is. Having to work with people like that makes me sick. They should be out flipping burgers or something, just keep them the hell out of my machine room.
Being a sysadmin is not a game.
>he received a bazillion submissions on this shows that they do indeed read this site and that it is important for many of those who submitted the story.
Thats an excellent point. What is the purpose of the submission box if he finds it a "chore" to use it? People who read here apparently want this article, so why _not_ let them have it?
The surprise isn't how often we make bad choices; the surprise is how seldom they defeat us.
No it is insightful, becuase it provides a counter-argument to what CmdTaco thinks.
Its not so much that Slashdotter don't care about MS. Its about MS being such big tech company and people have to access it for their work.
The surprise isn't how often we make bad choices; the surprise is how seldom they defeat us.
As for whether "their" can be used as a singular gender-neutral pronoun, it's true that dictionaries have recently (in the past few years) begun to accept it. English is indeed evolving. But it's ugly, especially in formal settings (which this is, of course, not). There's a discussion of the issue here: http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=A00 42019, containing this advice: "Writers who are concerned about avoiding both grammatical and social problems are best advised to use coordinate forms such as his or her."
There's another discussion I found here: http://athena.english.vt.edu/~IDLE/Gym2/workout6/w 6.stretch2.3.html, which basically suggests that you just avoid the whole situation by pluralizing the subject or reconstructing the sentence entirely.
So we're all right, and everybody is happy. And I'm sure I made a grammatical error somwhere in that post that someone will point out.
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w2k sp1: 30 Mbytes
Office 2k sp1: 30 Mbytes
Then when it crashed my HD I had to reinstall and do the downloads again!
I can see it now... A new batch of trolls linking to www.microsoft.com instead of the usual goatse.cx...
When tracerouting the first of the microsoft DNS servers:
207.46.138.11 dns4.cp.msft.net
207.46.138.12 dns5.cp.msft.net
207.46.138.20 dns6.cp.msft.net
207.46.138.21 dns7.cp.msft.net
I get this as the result (dead router somewhere):
traceroute to 207.46.138.11 (207.46.138.11), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 fe2-0-0.cr1.PHX.gblx.net (206.165.6.193) 14 ms 51 ms 3 ms
2 pos3-0.cr1.PHX1.gblx.net (206.132.117.81) 3 ms 3 ms 2 ms
3 pos5-3-622M.cr1.SEA1.gblx.net (206.132.41.150) 44 ms 43 ms 44 ms
4 pos0-0-0-155M.br1.SEA1.gblx.net (206.132.41.98) 44 ms 43 ms 44 ms
5 fgcpeering.BLAZINGROUTER.microsoft.com (206.251.1.206) 47 ms 46 ms 45 ms
6 207.46.190.109 (207.46.190.109) 45 ms 46 ms 46 ms
7 * * *
8 * * *
9 * * *
10 * * *
11 * * *
12 * * *
13 * * *
14 * * *
Every rule has an exception, and this is the only rule with no exceptions! Huh? -- Spatch
Every rule has an exception, and this is the only rule with no exceptions! Huh? -- Spatch
Well, if I was stupid enough to license my software through MS.net, I would have to go home now. As, I wouldnt be able to access any applications through their hosted services... Remember microsoft.net...
Yes, case in point. I have been reading Slashdot casually for a few years now. And this is pretty much the last straw for me.
I hate how Slashdot has gotten so pro Linux everything, and Anti Microsoft anything. Even towards Apple now. It is just not a site I enjoy reading because it's not "Stuff that matters" to me any more.
I am finally done with Slashdot.
Would you say "everybody are here?"
;)
No, you would say "everybody is here", just like you'd say "he or she is here" but not "they is here". Don't ask me why "everybody" is considered singular
It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
whereas 'it's' is the contraction of 'it is' you where looking for.
Perhaps you mean:
"...you were looking for"
?
It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
Lame joke, I know. But this story doesn't inspire anything better from me.
Read the story, laugh a moment about it, and life goes back to normal.
WWTTD?
Granted nameservice seems to be down. No surprise. But are people getting through by IP?
Only a fool doesnt scout his competition.
Glad the almighty CMDR thinks he has better sources for MS information than MS itself.
----- LoboSoft specializes in Digital Language Lab
The other day an ISP released bad DNS tables whch sent yahoo.com and microsoft.com to themself, I think the OP thought that's what this story was about.
Come on Taco, do we really need childish comments like this: "(Well, I guess if you run windows you gotta get your service packs every few minutes ;)" Compare this: "Well, I guess if you run Linux you gotta get your kernel and package updates every few minutes..."
/. readers flaunt their ill-informed OS religious beliefs, but when the editors start doing it, it's bad news. (And putting a smiley at the end doesn't make it tongue-in-cheek...)
Why is frequently downloading patches and updates only a virtue when *NIX people do it? When NT people do it (I don't count Windows 9x/ME as a serious OS), it apparently proves that the OS is flaky and insecure, whereas when Linux guys do it, it proves how great their freedom of choice to upgrade is. Or, it proves that the Linux guys are all conscientious sysadmins maintaining secure systems, whereas obviously every NT patch is a blue screen fix.
I don't care if
quicky maybe... but full story?
//rdj
No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness.
--Sheikh Abd-Al-Kadir, 1587
Are you saying that M$ forgot to pay their $35 this year? And I thought I was cheap!
I think they learned:
(46) expire_date: 20100503|
That's May, 2010. They paid 10 years in advance.
Michael
Do you have ESP?
Anybody else think this is odd that their four servers are all on the same subnet?? I thought that wasn't a good thing to do....
;')
> microsoft.com.
Server: a.root-servers.net
Address: 198.41.0.4
Name: microsoft.com
Served by:
- DNS4.CP.MSFT.NET
207.46.138.11
microsoft.com
- DNS5.CP.MSFT.NET
207.46.138.12
microsoft.com
- DNS7.CP.MSFT.NET
207.46.138.21
microsoft.com
- DNS6.CP.MSFT.NET
207.46.138.20
microsoft.com
I mean, for an extremely high-profile network, that seems like putting all your eggs in one basket. OR, someone intentially modified this to all point to a bad subnet. (Or, they are stupid and someone tripped on the uplink cord..
--Phil
Stop moding these posts up. It has nothing to do with the DNS problem. Anyone can register a domain name with subdomains tacked on. For instance taco can register MICROSOFT.SUCK.SLASHDOT.ORG
.coms ans .orgs anyway...)
The only part that matters is the last 2 (for
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As I was reading this thread, my computer started having problems getting host names.
I have RoadRunner cable (with a router on it) so I fiddled with the router a bit but couldn't see anything wrong. Then I decided to ping the nameservers (Road Runner's). No reply..
Hmm..> So I call up Tech Schlupport at AT&T, and after 10 minutes of wrestling with those damn phone prompts. After another 5 minutes of veryifying myself, I tell the tech support dude that I think the Nameservers are down. He says they are. He also says that AOL (as well as M$) also have nameserver problems at the moment. Widespread problems? Can any other Road Runner or *shiver* AOL people confirm this? I'm near Boston, and the problem may just be local.
Luckily I have a linux box sitting next to this windows piece of crap and was able to whip up a quick caching name server, so I could query the root servers myself and have internet access again. I think I'll keep it turned on and use it exclusively now. SCrew them other clowns for not keeping their DNS servers running...
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Unfortunately, the *New Economy* is full of certified Windows 98 Technical Support Specialists who love their new careers and can't get enough of Microsoft, good or bad.
:)
Why are you busting on these people? If they weren't fixing MS boxes they'd probably be flipping burgers some place. Not everyone can be a *nix guru. Because they can't handle *nix does that mean they can't work in the tech industry? (Hmm, wait a second, that actually sounds like a *good* idea
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if you will do a whois on amazon.com or yahoo.com or apple.com, you will see that someone is screwing with them as well, but it does not seem to affect those other sites web pages.
I think he ment hot fixes and patches.
is this guy a smowhat dilluted ?
everybody is free to use whatever she/he likes.
Legally, you can't tell users when another site is not working in that form. Some legal mumbo we were told. IF they call we can tell them. Oh well, politics.
The best way to href a news article is to look it up in deja... Like this. though surely you knew that already...
... and there is no doubt, that one day he will be
where the eye of his telescope has already been
Oops. You're right. I'm wrong.
http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&boar d=4688172&tid=msft&sid=4688172&mid=344435
This is a small world, huh? No, it wasn't me who copied your post to the Yahoo board.
Sigged!
I do in fact use Windows 2000 because it is stable (2 BSODs since Dec. 1999) and supports everything I need.
I am glad for you. I believe Win2000 is exactly what you need. but maybe people would prefere 0 BSODs since December 1999?
And I might add that
First, hotmail filtered your INCOMING messages.
Then, hotmail filtered your OUTGOING messages.
Now, hotmail filters ALL your messages...
(found on the MSFT Yahoo boards)
Sigged!
With those IP addresses you can have at most 2 subnets. (take paper, pen, do math)
So, in -the best case- they cared to put their 4 DNS servers on 2 subnets. Doesn't look like they cared about security, that much. Or, at least this detail slipped their attention.
But my bet is that their network engineers are jakass idiots who put all 4 of them on the same subnet, and are generally unable to use anything than plain C class. The MCSE course just didn't catch.
BTW: anyone notice how this thread is infested with Microsoft vermin? Did Uncle Bill tell you to go visit Slashdot for some "grassroots PR"?
Sigged!
So you are implying that the same things don't bring down a *NIX system? Registry=/etc, and I've occasionally made a dumb change to /etc that brought down my system and made me reboot to single user mode to fix and get back up again. I've also had to debug daemon code from coworkers that forgot to deallocate resources and ate up all file handles. Yes, the OS didn't crash, but I couldn't log in to run kill either.
I currently run NT4 SP6a. At first, it would only run for two weeks or so before the graphics driver crashed, so I backed down to the previous version of the driver. I went 2 months without rebooting last year, and then the power went out. I haven't duplicated that since, because I do heavy development on all kinds of different things, necessitating installing and uninstalling things all the time (and yes, there is something to be said about having to reboot when you install something).
As has been said before, just use the right tool for the job. I love my FreeBSD machine. It has a place of honor under my bed (with no monitor or keyboard) and uptime indicates 39 days (days since the above mentioned power failure). It works wonders without ever complaining, and I keep it going because there are a lot of times when it is much better for certain tasks than NT. But when NT is better, I don't let my feelings for MS get in the way of my using their OS.
To some extent, there is something to be said about boycotting an evil industry. However, I've got some doubts about the utter evilness of MS. They work hard to make sure it is in our best interest to purchase their products. Sometines the methods they use tick me off, but as often as they do stupid things, they do smart things like produce a useful product.
So just use the right tool.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Looks like a concerted attack to me. A whois queiry at internic on microsoft.com returns a rant about MS rather than the usuall list of administrators etc.
Yeah, damn them for making money...
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OliverWillis.Com
An Operative with an Agenda
One who posts lame/boring/uninteresting articles should not talk :-)
Brielle
"I knew there was a reason I stopped going to slashdot recently."
Did anyone see Taco pointing a gun at his head, forcing him to read this article?
I am too am tired of the M$/Linux holy war. IMHO, it would be better for everyone if there weren't a schism in the developer community that pitted one OS vs. another. But those feelings are tempered by the reality that anyone who really LIKES M$ products views anyone else with suspicion and unadulterated disdain.
Am I speaking as a Linux advocate? Yes, most assuredly. But I was also a Mac advocate when it was M$ vs. Apple, and a M$ advocate in the OS/2 wars.
I guess I'm just as guilty as the rest of you, eh?
geomon
P.P.S. "I myself" is redundant.
"Rocky Rococo, at your cervix!"
Okay this is off-topic but:
What about the Election 2000 fiasco with the major networks calling FL before the people in CA had finished voting?
The networks *always* call east coast states before the west coast polls close. That's not news.
What's news is that in 2000, they called Florida before the people *in Florida* had finished voting. They apparently didn't realize that not all of Florida is in the same time zone. And, of course, they called it for Gore, which ultimately turned out to be wrong.
whois -h whois.internic.net. microsoft.com
Whois Server Version 1.3 Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registeredwith many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information.
MICROSOFT.COM.WILL.LIVE.FOREVER.BUT.LUNIX.SUCKS- BY BIRTH.ARTISTICCHEESE.COM
Total bullshit. This was either humour, or clueless crap. ;)
Clipped directly from a mailing list entry:
21 January 2001 Yahoo.com and Microsoft.com Traffic Redirected
A faulty Domain Name System (DNS) table appears to be to blame for
deflecting Internet traffic aimed at yahoo.com and Microsoft.com to
MyDomains.com. While MyDomain.com's president acknowledges his company
inadvertently released an error-ridden DNS table, he also said that ISPs
should use the "authoritative" name servers to direct traffic instead
of relying on nearby tables. One security consultant suggested that
the vulnerability has the potential to be seriously abused.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/519306.asp
Hey, I'll have some of that kool-aid. Should I bring my own purple blanket and Nike's, or will they be provided?
He's in MI. No one needs to piss in your wheaties, there to put your "panties in a bunch." It just sucks there. >:)
Linux rocks!!! www.dedserius.com
www.dedserius.com
VB != VisualBasic
But hey it's Microsoft, so it justifies laughing at it.
And they were definitely h4xx0r3d or are you really suggesting that they put this shit (whois microsoft.com) in their DNS servers themselves.
I don't think
But what's this shit about Microsoft's knowledgebase being superior to Linux' documentation. I personally think Linux documentation is waay better than Microsoft's. Hell, even some MCSE's told me that was the only thing they actually liked about Linux.
-8<--
is here
What's up with that? Why wouldn't RedHat just put in the regular whois? Maybe have do in the latest version (7.0) which I don't yet have.
"Windows 2000 is quite stable ... My Win2K system runs continuously for weeks at a time"
Heh.
Therein lies the source of all of these "stability arguments" between Windows ppl and *nix guys.
Stable as defined by a Windows user: "Hasn't crashed this week."
Stable as defined by a *nix user: "I've worked here for 12 years and never had a crash except when I spilled coffee on the back of the rack."
Anyway. I got the impression that cmdrtaco was trying to force the point that he didn't think this was important news. I speculate that the reason for this was to head off all of the "Here is slashdot bashing MS again for something unimportant when their own DNS was just down yesterday!" type arguments.
Of course I don't really know what the commander was thinking, but I'll bet that had gone through his mind.
Damned if you do...
Sigs are awesome huh?
Well, I submitted it, but I'm not sure my borther did...
/.
Don't think he even reads
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Listening for the sound of the coming rain...
"Well, I guess if you run windows you gotta get your service packs every few minutes ;"
Not as often as I have to track down a new kernel, gcc, glib, or any other host of little bits it takes to get new software to run under Linux.
'leet is from elite -- like those oldschool warez BBSs and hacker rings --
members only, fool!
willis.
there is no thing
what else could you want?
that's not screwy, just funny. people just registered subdomains -- nothing special, or at least nothing that will affect the DNS system for people that don't type things like
AMAZON.COM.SHOULD.SELL.SEXTOYSONLINE.COM
willis.
there is no thing
what else could you want?
This is not hacked, it's just people registering subdomains -- that way when people like you and me look at the DNS we'll see those "funny" results.
are you trolling? you didn't even include the REAL MS results...
willis.
there is no thing
what else could you want?
...and help Microsoft again with their domains
and DNS. Last time someone paid for their domain,
now we just need to crack their DNS-boxes and fix them.
These names (except the very last one) mean NOTHING. The microsoft.com is at the beginning, not the end, meaning that, for example, MICROSOFT.COM.SHOULD.GIVE.UP.BECAUSE.LINUXISGOD.CO M is a nonsense entry in the zone file for LINUXISGOD.COM.
"that's not encryption - it's a new perl script that I'm working on..." - from some Matrix parody
These entries say nothing about the state of MS's DNS - they are whimsical entries at OTHER DNS servers. Examplr: MICROSOFT.COM.SHOULD.GIVE.UP.BECAUSE.LINUXISGOD.CO M
is a silly entry in the domain LINUXISGOD.COM
"that's not encryption - it's a new perl script that I'm working on..." - from some Matrix parody
Please note that due to the inaccessibility of www.microsoft.com, all installations of Windows 2001, Office 2002, and Internet Explorer 6 will cease to function until service is restored. We thank you for your patience in this matter.
- Microsoft Press Release
See what you're buying into?
How can you be sure they are in the same segment without seeing the netmasks?
Reality is a mass hallucination due to lack of alcohol in blood. - DeadLiver
You must be kidding. Lunix isn't vulnerable to such things as DNS problems! That only happens with M$ crap. Come back to the hive, my child. Forget your silly ideas for a moment, and rest easy. You've had a hard day. How would you like another cup of special tea...?
This is a manual virus. Copy it to your sig and help me spread!
unfortunately.
News Flash: Microsoft DNS server back up at 9:54 AM. Update: Microsoft website hit by slashdot effect 9:55 AM.
This is the power of Slashdot, trying to get at the MS knobase to find out how to turn someting off on one of our servers, not working. Bugger, I think, and refresh slashdot. there's the story!
I suppose it's vaguely relevant for people wishing to compare BIND favorably to the Win2K DNS server...
Ah, I see via a whois that all their DNS servers are on the same segment, that's a no-no.
Anyhow, if any slashdotters feel they must, try http://207.46.230.218/
~~~~~ BigLig2? You mean there's another one of me?
Nothing of which I wasn't aware.
But it's simply geekier to say 401C4330, a much more natural format, than to say 64.28.67.48?
Are you saying that M$ forgot to pay their $35 this year? And I thought I was cheap!
Note the smiley faces in the article, this tends to denote a joke, or sarcasm.
This is the kind of thing I expect a Microsoft(tm) product user to overlook:)*
*Please note smiley face.
"as plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee" - Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz. (One man's humorous is another mans flamebait)
Actually, this does affect msn.com. I have a customer who called for support today because his IE home page is an msn page of some sort. Of course, www.msn.com works, but whatever page he had bookmarked under msn did not. Perhaps it was a redirect to a microsoft.com page, but I just told him it was a problem at MS.
The funniest part is that he went downstairs and rebooted the company NT server 3 times before he called me, because his browser said "cannot locate server" (no, I'm not bashing MS, just one of it's users).
Read my sig if you like, but I'll never see yours, thanks to Discussions, Viewing, Disable sigs...
I use Microsoft's site to find information much the same way that I use Redhat's or Linux.org or Sourceforge to find Linux information. In fact I was trying to track down an error message last night when I noticed it was down. I kept checking to see if Slashdot or somebody had noticed and never saw anything, I guess it wasn't newsworthy enough that the largest maker of software in the world's site is down. How stupid and short-sighted to say that doesn't matter. If even just in the "Hooray, let's watch the man go down in flames!", it's noteworthy.
I don't think that your post is helpful to the community at all. Unless your goal is to alienate anyone that has/wants to use Windows. I am not a huge Windows fan but I think that there are a lot of ways to do things and that some have advantages over others.
As Slashdot was more than happy to post a story about the M$FT/Sun Java agreement yesterday I see no reason to come off as a crank about what is obviously news. It just makes you look stupid and short-sighted, not to mention hypocritical.
Hey, you think your house is cool?
Unconfirmed Rumor - it is a Denial of Service attack caused by disgruntled Asheron's Call players who got caught cheating / crashing the servers through exploitation of a game bug - after M$FT banned all their accounts, this is the result of their revenge - personally this is both sad and funny - a bunch of gamers got caught, got banned and then cratered the internet presence of the world's largest software company.
My name is Carlos Montoya. You share files of my music. Prepare to die.
How would it compare to some things with which you've had bad success?
Actually he says he posted it to minimize further submissions of it, so the criteria for story rejection/acceptance seems to have been reduced to that which is less of a hassle.
You wouldn't want to have to say stuff like "Everybody are stupid," wouldja?
What's the plural form? Everybodies?
They ain't none. How can you have more than one everybody?
I believe the current phrase is "All-right-tee!", but I'm not 100% certain because sometimes I'm a little behind the times.
There is the NT Option Pack. You were searching for the wrong thing.
Get.
Over.
It.
I wouldn't criticize MicroSoft too harshly. After all, they aren't the only ones who have both of their DNS servers on the same segment:
;; QUERY SECTION:
;; slashdot.org, type = A, class = IN
;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
slashdot.org. 2D IN NS NS1.ANDOVER.NET.
slashdot.org. 2D IN NS NS2.ANDOVER.NET.
;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
NS1.ANDOVER.NET. 2D IN A 209.207.224.196
NS2.ANDOVER.NET. 2D IN A 209.207.224.197
The reason this matters is because both of those were down yesterday...
Oh? I tried it from two different sites to see. Sorry.
GROGGS: alive and well and living in
Not all MS sites. MSDN seems to be visible still.
M
GROGGS: alive and well and living in
Everybody has the right to have an opinion with their own set of likes and disklikes. But if you can't defend your point of view with rational arguments and provide fair views to others, you lack credibility. This doesn't work for every case -- I'm mystified by the success of the Backstreet Boys, but I don't expect every fan to provide a well-thought justification of why. In this case, Rob repeatedly fails to provide rational justification or fair arguments (joking aside). I value the opinions of Rob and many other Slashdot readers, but I'm interested in reasoning rather than chauvanism.
Yes, but mindless ranting and raving without rhyme nor reason hardly lends any credibility to the site or his personal opinion. If he intends to provide a forum for intelligent discussion, he needs to start with rational arguments that he can back up.
Actually, I've had very good success with Windows 2000 as a server. I've run all the services, including web and db, from a single Pentium II box with no problems with some serious uptime. I've only seen it crash once on my desktop box -- ATI's experimental DVD drivers for my Rage 128 card caused it to crash. On my notebook, it crashes more frequently, mostly due to ACPI or overheating. Suspend doesn't seem to work all the time.
As for the home directories, it takes a while to get there, but the Documents and Settings directory seems to do a good job of it and there is a well-structured location for personal files. It's not the OS's fault if applications throw data all over the place. Of course, their past practice in previous incarnations of NT and Win32 did a poor job of encouraging multi-user OS's, but Win2k does a very good job of fixing that problem.
As for the WM, it works well for me. You do have a point about the modal dialogs, but I don't like virtual desktops -- I tend to maximize most things anyway.
>The OS bigotry exhibited by Slashdot indicates a lack of ethics and education on the edtior's part.
or maybe its just an opinion
just because someone doesnt hold the same views as yourself doesnt make someone unethical or uneducated, maybe if he was forcing them on you, but a statement of ones views is nothing more than opinion.
Does this mean that all the spam i sign up for with my "other" e-mail billg@microsoft.com is gonna bounce back?
:(
how sad
Stop over-analyzing your analizations
Noone cares about how thin your skin is... taco made a swipe at Microsoft and their software. It's a joke.... noone really thinks service packs ahve to be downloaded every 5 minues. Noone. From that you can deduce that the comments were jocular. Get over it!
Unfortunately I am forced to work with windows every now and then. most comany's where I works (I am a consultant) uses Windows NT as a workstation and then runns a X server on it to work with Solaris/Linux machines. I am now working with a Linux project but must use Windows NT as a workstaion. Of course I just starts windows and then connects to the Linux server where I can complie for our target machine and starts a couple of xterm's and emacs and use it that way.
Mathias Wiklander mathias@wiklander.nu
Listen, I am both Microsoft (MCSE) and Sun (SSA) certified. I have worked with Solaris, Linux and Windows for years. How can windows users that have little if any Unix knowledge, make any comment on what Taco has to say? I'm sure some of the posts were written by people with experiance on both platforms.. but.. Of the people that LOOVVEE M$ many know little or no Unix .. Most M$ users only know M$. Most Unix users know BOTH Unix and M$. Taco is entitled to his opinion (which it just so happens is accurate this time..you overly defensive Microsoft Borgs!) As far as microsoft.com being usefull, I guess that value is in the browser of the beholder. I don't personally have much use for Microsofts web site except when I need to patch my servers. Unfortunately, Microsoft often releases patches long LONG after a problem has been made known (see L0pht.com for a quote from the Microsoft folks). I admin both Unix and Windows machines, If I need a good technical reference I go to O'Reilly and buy a book on the subject.. not microsoft. Or I go to Docs.Sun.Com , Cisco or Linux.org but I don't go to Microsoft.com which is apparently a good thing because they have had DNS problems most of the day!
-Celtic
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intrigue:~$ nslookup -type=any microsoft.com
Non-authoritative answer:
microsoft.com nameserver = DNS4.CP.MSFT.NET
microsoft.com nameserver = DNS5.CP.MSFT.NET
microsoft.com nameserver = DNS7.CP.MSFT.NET
microsoft.com nameserver = DNS6.CP.MSFT.NET
Authoritative answers can be found from:
microsoft.com nameserver = DNS4.CP.MSFT.NET
microsoft.com nameserver = DNS5.CP.MSFT.NET
microsoft.com nameserver = DNS7.CP.MSFT.NET
microsoft.com nameserver = DNS6.CP.MSFT.NET
DNS4.CP.MSFT.NET internet address = 207.46.138.11
DNS5.CP.MSFT.NET internet address = 207.46.138.12
DNS7.CP.MSFT.NET internet address = 207.46.138.21
DNS6.CP.MSFT.NET internet address = 207.46.138.20
According to my ISP, when I called them, the problem was upstream -- at UUNet itself. An outage of some kind.
I've seen another submission here mentioning DNS problems starting yesterday afternoon that might be related to this, and yet another submission mentioning that maybe UUNet screwed up its DNS tables.
So I mention what I ran into in case it matters. I don't know enough about TCP/IP, and probably less about the actual topology of the Internet, to say, but maybe the problems with microsoft.com are due (or at least related) to the outages I've been seeing.
(And, no, I don't really ever go to microsoft.com, but that's probably only because I don't use Windows.)
Thankfully, the outage had been corrected by around 8:30am, so I was finally able to upload all those pending emails queued up on my home system.
(My script to keep trying the upload, sleep 5 minutes, and try again, until successful, stopped running because the modem disconnected, and I had not insterted a "date" command, nor looked up the logs to see if I could determine when that happened. So maybe the outage was corrected much earlier; last I knew for sure it was out was probably around 11:10pm.)
Practice random senselessness and act kind of beautiful.
Two of your reasons are what-ifs. That's a damn poor reason to post a story. Or should I submit a story about a butterfly flapping its wings in Taiwan because it could cause a tornado that could destroy a chip manufacturer? Oh, dear God! News is about what is, not what if. If the "is" part isn't interesting and doesn't matter, then it doesn't belong. It'd be news if the DNS had been hijacked/hacked/whatever, the possibility, itself, is not news. As for this not being Joe's Garage Website... yeah? So? It's one of the most trafficked websites on the planet. It's down. You can tell that by trying to go to it. So...? Every site goes down from time to time. Every site experiences technical difficulties. It's not news just because a big site has technical difficulties. It's less news -- a site with a heavier load than Joe's Garage went down?! Oh, the horror.
If a corporation is a personhood, is owning stock slavery?
Well, if we're going to be dick-waving, I got 74 days and 3 hours uptime on a Linux 2.0 server on broken hardware. It's a good thing, too, because the hard-drive was fucky and the video card fried. MS-DOS wouldn't even install on it, let alone Windows 3.1, Windows95, NT, or 2k. That's a touch more impressive than your 155 days on a Pentium II/III.
Maybe. But 90% aren't.
If a corporation is a personhood, is owning stock slavery?
Yeah, and they can't figure out it's down by themselves. How many of these Microsofties are reading Slashdot? And how many of the Microsofties reading /. can't figure out a site is down without needing to be told, "Microsoft.com is down?"
I believe that's called a joke hence the winking smilie, ya' twerp.
Uhm, that's not true. Microsoft offers individual fixes to individual packages just like Red Hat. And Red Hat and most other distributions provide a way to fetch fixes all at once. The fixes you're talking about for Linux distributions, BTW, are usually to third-party software and applying a one or two line fix to resolve a minor security problem if you're doing something completely silly. This is a touch different from what a Windows service pack is doing.
But you can see your grandmother running DNS? And what's hard about the graphical package installation utilities provided by desktop distributions of Linux?
Okay, Mr. "Microsft"... Please. Everyone makes typos or incorrectly types something from time to time. They could be distracted, tired, in a hurry. Grow up. You can read it and it's not distractingly poor.
If a corporation is a personhood, is owning stock slavery?
He said it was uninteresting. He said it didn't matter to him. He didn't say it was insignificant. Sheesh. BTW, it is a freekin' stupid story. If /. posted an article every time some site or another was down... Geez. Get over it. The story sucks, he knew it, but people wanted it, so he gave it to them.
If a corporation is a personhood, is owning stock slavery?
In order to function in what way? I've done plenty of W2k installs (both professional and server) that work fine out of the box. I really think SP1 was more of a marketing tactic than anything else. How many people do you know that said "Win2k? I won't upgrade until the first service pack comes out!". I can't tell you how many times I heard that.
This isn't JUST microsoft hatred. How many of you have run out to put kernel 2.4.0 on your production server boxen? Not me.
Besides increased stability, win2k has some nice things going for it... Their Distributed File System is just plain sexy. I can have my users map '\\virtserver\share1', and have that share point to any share on ANY machine (not just win32). If I want to move the physical files to any other server, I just change the pointer.. I don't have to run around to each PC remapping drives. You can even have it do poor-man's load balancing by pointing the virtual share to two or more shares on different servers. Nifty stuff. Too bad no one has hacked NMBD/SMBD to do this. :(
Shayne
Today I didn't even have to use my AK; I got to say it was a good day -- Icecube
This means that IE can't post your surfing habits, software version, etc. to Microsoft.
Hurry! This day may be the last truly private day you ever have!
You're correct, but try getting anywhere using the links. All the ones I tried had absolute URLs instead of relative ones.
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I like to watch.
BTW, the whois entry for Microsoft ends in this:
Domain servers in listed order: DNS4.CP.MSFT.NET 207.46.138.11 DNS5.CP.MSFT.NET 207.46.138.12 DNS6.CP.MSFT.NET 207.46.138.20 DNS7.CP.MSFT.NET 207.46.138.21
Would you trust your ASP if they had all of their DNS servers on the same subnet? What does Microsoft take us to be, a pack of idiots?
I am not a lawyer.
-- from CmdrTaco. Tiresome, trivial and pathetic.
You know, you really should grow up and get a proper job.
An article which appeared yesterday on Securityteam's website shows there is a "bug" in whois entry retrieval system wherin a registered sub domain will have its entry retrieved before the real parent domain's. The example they show is identical to the whois information being shown here today.
If this is the true cause, and it is not corrected soon, whois (sic) to say how far it might go?
Going on means going far
Going far means returning
Going on means going far
Going far means returning
--SC
You read fiction? I write it! Lemme know what you th
But this is in no way close to what happened this morning with M$'s site. hotmail - which is the only M$ site I access daily was down for at least 1 hour... I just gave up afterwards...
yahoo mail rocks! I've been changing over to using yahoo mail... cause you'll never know what M$ have up their sleeves... hotmail may not be around for free for long - they'll probably make it so its only free to those users using IE/Windows. Oh well... i'm hoping that M$ sees many more crashes soon.
Point the first: as has already been stated, this affects not only Microsoft.com, but additionally many of MS's other sites, such as MSN, Hotmail, and one of the most widely visited Mainstream News Sites, if not the most used, MSNBC.
.lx
Point the second: if you're being overwhelmed with submissions about it, then it's obviously important to your reader-base, despite the fact that you had neither the insight nor inclination to determine why this event was more significant than people not being able to see "microsoft.com" for a few hours.
Conclusion: you seem to have less interest in presenting news for nerds (if it's not stuff that matters to you) and more interest in berating people for volunteering a big story that many people will be affected by. News which is relavent to nerds, and stuff that obviously matters.
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1. That's why we use the free Beer argument (or was that Free Speech?).
2. What's the main ingredient in Beer? (are we sugesting Microsoft may secretly use free code?)
3. Also note that I think Beer should always have a capital B (that's just my opinion, gramer natzys's wood disagry :-).
Probably depends on what happens, I modify my sound driver and on occasion I've had segmentation faults which generated "oops". no biggy, just find the problem, compile, install and reload the module (without needing to reboot).
Back In my win95 days, I used to think it was "normal" that I had to reboot to install a new driver.I was wrong. Do they still have this problem? or have they created some kind of driver loader/unloader.
Internic has not been hacked or spoofed. Whenever you register a nameserver IP address, you have to include a domain name for the nameserver. I think the only thing checked is that the IP address pings and the domain name is part of a real domain.
take a triptonica to subthunk
I checked, and their four DNS servers (at 207.46.138.11, 12, 20, and 21) are all answering pings, but only sporadically. Lots of packets are getting lost, but those that get through are 100-150 msec responses. Perhaps a DoS attack?
Everybody and there brother...
It seems that CmdrTaco's spelling and grammar are processes run on Microsoft's DNS servers.
there are some explainations for this. It could be a single subnet advetised by several netblocks with BGP. Under this arrangement packets would take what seeemd to be the shortest path to a dns server, and you get geographic load balanceing.
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I get to slashdot by following the following link:
x &target=http://www.slashdot.org/
http://www.microsoft.com/isapi/redir.dll?prd=linu
So when I can't get to slashdot like that, I know something is up with Microsoft. BTW now Microsoft knows how many times I visit slashdot... like every five minutes and stuff...
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ya, but now since you posted, you can't use them ;-)
I'll bet they use certified NT administrators to administer their unix boxes.
.mil sites... an administrator is an adminstrator, right?
Hey, I've seen it at
Oracle and unix guy.
I make nothing from making music (at the mo!!), but believe me - *lots* of people would like nothing more than to dump MS and use Linux for everything!
Yeah, pretty funny stuff. "You dont actually GO there do you?"
Well, i develop VB programs under Windows, as its a nice environment,and its where the money is. Seeing as microsoft.com has a bunch of useful stuff in the developer/knowledgebase sections, i`d be interested to hear better suggestions.
I cant use linux as there are no decent music apps for it (that get *anywhere* near cubase, cakewalk, rebirth etc), no visual basic (i know C but sometimes its nice to knock up fully functional apps in a couple of hours). Ok, so theres a C compiler apparantly. Cool.
FYI - W2k service pack 1 was closer to 85MB as I recall. I think it fixed everything but the calculator.
Because why in the hell would Microsoft SUBNET a Class C?
--- www.f-theocean.com
So how did I solve this? Well, I did a WHOIS and grabbed the nameservers for those services and stuck them in my DNS server entries. So, now I always have them, unless their DNS servers are down as well.
Where I used to work, we had this problem of our DNS servers dying, so I used this to get my Yahoo! services up as long as the IPs are pingable.
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. - G.B. Shaw
Wow..really smart sounding post. When you get past grade 9, send me a resume (btw, that's french for "where the fuck I've worked".
...but it seemed like Andover's DNS servers were unreachable for a while yesterday, making Slashdot inaccessible... (Is it wise to have your two official name servers on the same subnet at the same location?)
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I thought they wanted to see the goatsx.microsoft.com and 31337h4x0rs.microsoft.com listings....
try a whois from the command line
microsoft's site being down is wonderful, and cheers me up no end. if only it was down permanently...
Holy crap, I must be the only one on this planet who can crash my Linux Desktop OS more than my W2K.
I'm sure there are people out there who would agree with me in saying the desktop environments for Linux are buggier than you-know-what. I crash my system regularly. I crashes when it loads, it crashes when the screen saver loads, sometimes it crashes when i'm typing. And it crashes good. It takes everything down with it. I've tried various kernels, 2.2.15 -.16 -.17 2.4.0, yadda yadda, It still does it. I thought the linux OS was so great and that one bug shouldn't mash the whole system? On my W2K machine, sure things crap out on it from time to time. Mostly driver issues. But I can always Ctrl-Alt-Del and kill the app that isn't playing by the rules. The Kill-App on my Linux machine rarely works. Don't get me started on the patch issue. linux has just as many, if not more, kernel patches available than any windows system. I had to use three patches before 2.4.0 would even work on my machine. The only application that has ever functioned as it should on my machine was Star-Office (Thanks Sun).
As far as a usuable OS is concerned, MS has Linux whooped hands down. The MS GUI is far more stable than any Linux GUI. Not to mention API, development, etc. Far easier on the windows platform. Linux has a LONG way to go, to ever compete on the same scale as MS.
All you people complaining about CmdrTaco's posting should stop and consider the effects of his post. How long has it been since we had a story that generated almost 800 posts? Who knows maybe 1000 posts by the time this is finished. Perhaps CmdrTaco was stirring the pot to generate some activity on Slashdot?
Either way who really cares it is just a fun message between nerds. He is entitled to an opinion, we all are, think of Slashdot without opinions. Hint: Content drops 80%.
Phil
...when the very fact that he received a bazillion submissions on this shows that they do indeed read this site and that it is important for many of those who submitted the story.
 
or it may have been a bazillion linux diehards who want to bring shame to microsoft
Actually, where I work I was allowed to do exactly that.
We can run whatever we want on our workstations, whatever makes us more productive.
It's the way it should be.
Yeah, well, they can just go out to lunch or something, and give the world a day's break from Microsoft's manifest destiny :-)
hah... (whois microsoft.com) Server Name: MICROSOFT.COM.WILL.LIVE.FOREVER.BUT.LUNIX.SUCKS-BY BIRTH.ARTISTICCHEESE.COM
IP Address: 209.191.22.24
Registrar: CORE INTERNET COUNCIL OF REGISTRARS
Whois Server: whois.corenic.net
Referral URL: www.corenic.net
Server Name: MICROSOFT.COM.SHOULD.GIVE.UP.BECAUSE.LINUXISGOD.CO M
IP Address: 207.10.88.13
Registrar: INTERNET DOMAIN REGISTRARS
Whois Server: whois.registrars.com
Referral URL: www.registrars.com
Server Name: MICROSOFT.COM.SE.FAIT.HAX0RIZER.PAR.TOUT.LE.ZOY.OR G
IP Address: 138.12.12.12
Registrar: GANDI
Whois Server: whois.gandi.net
Referral URL: www.gandi.net
Server Name: MICROSOFT.COM.OWNED.BY.MAT.HACKSWARE.COM
IP Address: 211.63.57.1
Registrar: TUCOWS.COM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.opensrs.net
Referral URL: www.opensrs.org
Server Name: MICROSOFT.COM.N-AIME.BILL.QUE.QUAND.IL.N-EST.PAS.N U
IP Address: 62.220.128.7
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC.
Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Referral URL: www.networksolutions.com
Server Name: MICROSOFT.COM.MUST.STOP.TAKEDRUGS.ORG
IP Address: 12.5.4.8
Registrar: REGISTER.COM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.register.com
Referral URL: www.register.com
Server Name: MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SOON.GOING.TO.THE.DEATHCORPORATIO N.COM
IP Address: 62.92.244.245
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC.
Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Referral URL: www.networksolutions.com
Server Name: MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SECRETLY.RUN.BY.ILLUMINATI.TERROR ISTS.NET
IP Address: 170.1.75.143
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC.
Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Referral URL: www.networksolutions.com
Server Name: MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NOTHING.BUT.A.MONSTER.ORG
IP Address: 213.156.2.27
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC.
Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Referral URL: www.networksolutions.com
Server Name: MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NO.MATCH.FOR.THE.UEBER-GEEKS.AT.J IMPHILLIPS.ORG
IP Address: 24.240.60.24
Registrar: TUCOWS.COM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.opensrs.net
Referral URL: www.opensrs.org
Server Name: MICROSOFT.COM.IS.GOD.BUT.LINUX.SUCKS-FOREVER.ARTIS TICCHEESE.COM
IP Address: 209.191.99.161
Registrar: CORE INTERNET COUNCIL OF REGISTRARS
Whois Server: whois.corenic.net
Referral URL: www.corenic.net
Server Name: MICROSOFT.COM.IS.BORING.COMPARED.TO.TEENEXTREME.CO M
IP Address: 192.168.134.237
Registrar: TUCOWS.COM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.opensrs.net
Referral URL: www.opensrs.org
Server Name: MICROSOFT.COM.IS.AT.THE.MERCY.OF.DETRIMENT.ORG
IP Address: 216.229.2.231
Registrar: GANDI
Whois Server: whois.gandi.net
Referral URL: www.gandi.net
Server Name: MICROSOFT.COM.INSPIRES.COPYCAT.WANNABE.SUBVERSIVES .NET
IP Address: 208.178.101.5
Registrar: DOTSTER, INC.
Whois Server: whois.dotster.com
Referral URL: http://www.dotster.com/help/whois
Server Name: MICROSOFT.COM.HAS.NO.LINUXCLUE.COM
IP Address: 209.208.48.121
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC.
Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Referral URL: www.networksolutions.com
Server Name: MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.PSYKOJOKO.ON.A.ROOT-NETWOR K.COM
IP Address: 193.251.82.2
Registrar: CORE INTERNET COUNCIL OF REGISTRARS
Whois Server: whois.corenic.net
Referral URL: www.corenic.net
Server Name: MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.HACKSWARE.COM
IP Address: 211.63.57.62
Registrar: TUCOWS.COM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.opensrs.net
Referral URL: www.opensrs.org
Server Name: MICROSOFT.COM.GUTS.NL
IP Address: 212.78.175.7
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC.
Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Referral URL: www.networksolutions.com
Server Name: MICROSOFT.COM.FAIT.VRAIMENT.DES.LOGICIELS.A.TROIS. FRANCS.DOUZE.ORG
IP Address: 138.12.12.42
Registrar: GANDI
Whois Server: whois.gandi.net
Referral URL: www.gandi.net
Server Name: MICROSOFT.COM.ER.IKKE.NO.I.FORHOLD.TIL.LATHANS.NET
IP Address: 62.92.244.246
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC.
Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Referral URL: www.networksolutions.com
Server Name: MICROSOFT.COM.AINT.WORTH.SHIT.KLUGE.ORG
IP Address: 216.181.127.195
Registrar: THE NAME IT CORPORATION
Whois Server: whois.nameit.net
Referral URL: www.nameit.net
Domain Name: MICROSOFT.COM
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC.
Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Referral URL: www.networksolutions.com
Name Server: DNS4.CP.MSFT.NET
Name Server: DNS5.CP.MSFT.NET
Name Server: DNS7.CP.MSFT.NET
Name Server: DNS6.CP.MSFT.NET
Updated Date: 29-sep-2000
>>> Last update of whois database: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:29:23 EST
The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and
Registrars.
Found InterNIC referral to whois.corenic.net.
% No match for microsoft.com.
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fintler@tempest:~$
Not the way I read it.
Everybody and there brother has submitted what has to be the least interesting story in months. Microsoft's DNS server is down. I haven't visited their web site in months and I don't care in the slightest, but if I don't post this, I'm going to spend the next 48 hours deleting 2,000 submissions about it as zillions of people somehow think that this matters.
There was the little dig at the end about service packs, but if you're going to have to post the story anyway.....
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As a matter of fact, I am a lawyer. But I play an actor on TV.
Sorry to have to point this out, and it is definitely not a troll.....but.... wasn't it posted here a couple months ago that Microsoft actually uses Linux for their servers?
I just love Taco's high-and-mighty posturing here. DNS doesn't just mean web and FTP, it also means mail. I know several rather respectable people who work at Microsoft who have lost their mail.. How sad. :(
zsazsaroonie
MS Packet filters a lot of their sites. And have done so for a while.
Why should we care?
There are two major products that come out of Berkel
If anyone cares.... whois microsoft.com. [whois.crsnic.net] Whois Server Version 1.3 Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
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MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NOTHING.BUT.A.MONSTER.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NO.MATCH.FOR.THE.UEBER-GEEKS.AT.J IMPHILLIPS.ORG
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MICROSOFT.COM.IS.AT.THE.MERCY.OF.DETRIMENT.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.INSPIRES.COPYCAT.WANNABE.SUBVERSIVES .NET
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MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.PSYKOJOKO.ON.A.ROOT-NETWOR K.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.HACKSWARE.COM
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There are two major products that come out of Berkel
You're right - it is best to have your DNS (among others) servers geographically segmented.
/24 routed to you, via another network of course, then you can fire off each 8-IP segment as far as you want, so long as each router knows how to get there. Each network could be routed as near or as far as you want. 0-7 could be in Redmond, 8-15 could be in Tokyo, 16-23 in London, etc.
And, actually, it would be quite simple to segment that network across a large geographic area.
All you have to do is get that
What it does introduce is a point of failure at your border router, but even with modern routing protocols it would still be possible to overcome.
I'm no badass network engineer but I have built a ton of firewalls and done my share of router setups...so forgive me if I don't see this 'incompetence' you claim.
sedawkgrep
Is that a salami in my pants or am I just happy to be me?
k5 does not use /code, they have their own engine, which was developed before the slashcode was released.
Amber Yuan 2k A.D
"and dear god does this website suck now." -- CmdrTaco
Taco: you're worse than every other anti-MS zealot combined.
So what if you don't go to microsoft.com. Other people do. I wanted to go there today to try to find information about CTI (so I could try to work out some *nix CTI stuff). There may be no need for you but you're just one incredibly arrogant idiot out here in the big wide world. For some of us this really is significant. Can't you just report the news without your spoilt-brat snide remarks?You're a jerk, and you're fast becoming the no. 1 reason why slashdot sucks more than ever before.
Surprisingly enough, it is important!
I can't play multiplayer Mechwarrior 4.
> Guess what? CmdrTaco is entitled to his
> opinion. This is his website. If you dislike it,
> quit hanging out here.
I am entitled to my opinion too and i felt like expressing it. Isn't freedom of expression one of the things that this country is known for? And, for your informaiton, I will continue to visit this site.
Most of us have limited, if any, say in what operating systems are used around us. You work with what you have to - we don't often get to decide which system we get to use.
I'm sure we all have opinions regarding what the best OS or development platform is for this task or that - and good people can disagree.
I personally work in an environment where we use everything from Win32 to Macs to Linux, Solaris, and FreeBSD, based on the task at hand. It's necessity - not a religious decision.
Aside, is it me, or does it seem that here on Slashdot the stories are becoming harder and harder to distinguish from the trolls?
But then, whipping the crowd into a froth generates lots of activity, which -has- to be good for advertising rates. Or maybe I'm just cynical after reading crap like this.
Here I am, loading Slashdot hoping to find something newsworthy on the front page. This is "News for nerds, Stuff that matters" after all, right? Instead what do we find? Taco posts an article that, by his own admission, is hardly worth mentioning whatsoever. Servers go down sometimes. Sometimes those servers are DNS servers. Wow. All this article amounts to is a blatant flame/troll on MS, and yet another scar on the integrity and professionality of this site as a whole.
We all know this isn't a Microsoft fan club, but the front page doesn't need to be littered with bigotry and flames. If Redhat had some problems, Taco would never have had posted an article saying "Redhat's FTP site is down -- Uh oh, since Redhat users have to patch their kernels on a weekly basis, they're all f*cked!" I would expect the same respect for any other competitor in the industry, even if you don't appreciate their methodology, or software, or paradigm, or logo, or...
I understand a lot of people may have been submitting this. Fine. Some people think that a server going down for a while is a big deal. MS's site wasn't hacked, Time-Warner didn't get bought out by Nabisco, and Linux Torbalds is still alive. Have there been frivoulous articles in the past? Sure. That's pretty much the entirety of the "Laugh, it's funny" section. But this is labeled as "real" news in some fashion, I guess, and under any kind of standard it fails to be good reporting. There's no link, there's no information, it's just Taco saying "Damnit stop sending me submissions on this MS DNS thing. MS sux0rs!" in different words. We can do better that this. Please.
Just curious. How many patches and fixes does the Linux Kernel get each month?
I can just see it now:
Come on, if they can't even keep their website accessible, I'm supposed to trust them with my data/applications?
Excellent? Are you on crack? Spend some time with a truly useful KB one day, and you'll want to bitchslap MS's KB maintainers. A search for video problems with win2k will turn up solutions to DMA problems in win98, a search for ftp problems turns up video cards... It's insane, and highly useless.
Not to mention the fact that you have to use one of MS's browsers to get help - what happens if it's the browser that's screwing up? There's nothing on that site that couldn't be done browser-neutral, yet they refuse....
Think outside the... Hey, where'd the friggin' box go?
This is an example of why Slashdot is listed under Sad Stupidity in my bookmarks. Never come here for news. Come here so you can hear the boys grinding their axes. Besides, Slashdot has probably crashed more servers than anybody by overwhelming sites.
Great minds think alike,but,fools seldom differ.
>I think you'll find *all* servers go down, especially ones under the consistently heavy load of ddos, millions of hits a day, etc like MS. Redhat goes down, MS goes down, big wow.
o ft .com -- Uptime: 11 days. Max: 77 days. Avg: 15 days.
. co m -- Uptime: 69 days. Max: 64 days. Avg: 29 days.
Check your links before you use them as a defense.
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=micros
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=redhat
Microsoft has (just barely) beaten RedHat in ONE area of uptime. RedHat slaughters Microsoft in all other areas. Maybe that's because you don't need to reboot RedHat when you install _most_ patches, where as you have to reboot windows to install service packs? I don't know. Do you have a reason as to why this discrepency exists?
I find it _pathetic_ that Microsoft's uptime currently equals that of slashdot.org. Seriously, when a major, multi-billion dollar company can't compete with a website run by a few hackers [that is notorious for being broken], that in and of itself speaks volumes about the quality of software being used.
If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
Hence, my 4 unsuccessful attempts to login to /. before getting through. No big deal, just move along.
One thing I have noticed (and it's MY biggest problem with the outage), is that no one has mentioned their Expedia.com site. It's not mentioned by microsoft.co.uk or the article on The Registry. I really need to look at some travel plans so if anyone can find the IP, I'd be grateful...
g.
It is nice to say that Win2K boxes have less uptime than a lot of *nix/*BSD boxes but the fact is that 2K has only been out for a relativley (?) short time now, the Uptimes Project has some BSD boxes at over 1700 days- how can a product have a bigger uptime than that if it ain't existed that long?
I use 2K, it's not too bad, I prefer Linux but I don't dread booting Windows either
You fsck long and you fsck slow But you fsck like a walrus smoking blow
Well, not that I want to defend someone I don't even know, but maybe (maybe) what was meant was that the event isn't relevant (but posted to avoid the other mentioned problems) for the simple reason that: :) so in this case, the post would be only to garantee the temp is maintained hihg enough with some common pro_ms-anti_ms confrontation
- Either you really care about it, like so many are posting about that it is important for their jobs, but in this case you already know about it, so this isn't an important post for you. (unless you want to know what people have to say about it, but then, do you really expect not to see ms bashing here ?)
- Either you don't right ?
In either case, the relevance of the post is about the same.
Oh well... cheers...
Windows 2000 can be every bit as stable as...if you tweak it just right and run things smartly :)
Well this isn't everybody's definition of stability, but anyway that's not the point
I can imagine what you are saying is true, in fact I don't see a real reason why it wouldn't be, the fact is, most of us, crying after windows unstability are programers (and generaly not very good ones or we wouldn't be crying that much (about this stability issue at least, there are clearly many others))
Since we are programers, we are more likely to be seduced by an open-source OS like Linux, it is understandable, and since we are programers, we are more likely to have stability problems, and much, much more with windows than with linux, just because, once you did a big mistake in your windows app, you are often bound to reboot your computer to expect it to run correctly.
this doesn't happen (or nothing that you could compare at least) on a Linux box
So you see, for a Linux-lover, the balance is really really affected, maturity problems, geek snobism etc.. also appears, but this isn't a general Linux comunity behavior. (trouble is: a french puddle barks much more than a doberman, go figure..)
Anyway, I can assure you Linux users do feel/experience severe stability issues, because of the way they use their computers. on the other hand, windows users are much less frequently also programers, so that most of them won't have the ame idea of stability issue.
cheers..
I think that it is strange that you[CmdrTaco] find this story so irrelevent. I will bring to light this poll that /. did: Browser Wars. Now unless the 40% of IE users were running WINE then perhaps you are right. Sure, some of these people could be at work/school, but it just goes to show you that this kind of news is not pointless to all /. readers.
In fact I would also bet that there were a good deal of Netscape users that were running windows too, but I won't get into that.
The comments have degenerated into a flame war over which is better - Microsoft or Opensource.
That's not really the point.
A great many people use Microsoft products, and the Microsoft website is a wonderful place to get answers to various questions about their products. I find myself having to support various Windows applications (and Windows itself) and since I personally don't get down and dirty with Microsoft products (yeah, I run Win2K, but I don't do much with it besides run a few apps), I have to go to their website to look up answers quite a bit.
I have customers who insist on using FrontPage, for example. Do I just tell them no, you can't use it here, go find another ISP? I know that some of you will say "Yes, you should." But I won't stay in business long if I turn away business just because I don't want to support a pretty popular application.
I needed to get to Microsoft's web site to look up some issues with the FP extensions today. I couldn't get there. Certainly I understood pretty quickly that it was MS's problem, but I didn't know exactly what it was. Mailing list replies with a link to the CNET article were the first real information I saw regarding the reason for the outage.
And certainly it was news of interest, both to me and to my customers. As an ISP, our customers expect us to solve all their problems, and it's actually good to be able to tell them exactly why they can't go download the latest service pack their IT guy said they had to have. I was able to point them to independent sources for the same information, so they didn't think we were "covering up" (which some customers always think when you explain that problems are not related to your own company).
I realize there are people who don't use Microsoft products at all and who have no use for the MS web site. But that doesn't mean the site is useless to everyone!
I hope you are right... The aforementioned programs are all too damn expensive!
Well, he did say the only reason he was posting the story was to keep from being flooded with thousands of story submissions... It's not like the original post was "HAHAHA. M$ should have used LINUX then their site would still be up! BWAHAHAHAHA!"
Josh Sisk
If you want music try turning on the radio.
The music programs he was referring to (CuBase, ReBirth, etc) are programs for musicians, to help them record and create music. Not MP3 players or the like. This is an area where Linux is lacking.
Josh Sisk
CT:Do you people actually visit microsoft.com?
I didn't know we weren't supposed to.
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"Rock over London... Rock on Chicago..." -Wesley Willis
We don't care about microsoft because we use Macs or RedHat Linux
But look, Microsoft is having internet problems. Let's all gloat and get big erections and jerk off thinking about it!
But since we're cool slashdot readers with our Gay Macintoshes or 37337 RedHat Linux boxes we really don't care do we?
http://news.excite.com/news/ap/010124/14/microsoft -web-problems
this article gives a story about DNS problems, complete with hypertext links to the affected sites! :))
Game: Player 'Donald J Trump' now has AI skill level 'experimental'.
Maybe they forget to register their DNS servers??
ZDnet has a story on this. Not very informative right now, but this has apparently been going on since last night.
I rarely read replies, it's my opinion and if you thought about your opinion a little more, I'm OK with that.
Ahhh!!
:)
That will explain why I haven't received a single mail since yesterday.
your anti-M$ jokes are SOOOO funny... of course u dont have time to visit M$ websites...yer too busy downloading the daily linux kernal build or the ten daily security patches! YUCKYUCKYUCK
Dayum, foolz. H-Dog will straighten out this accountz receevable bidness with a quickness, G.
Oh, I have no interest in the stablity of Linux..
:-)
Nor the stability (or lack thereof) of NT..
I have no vested interest in their website..
I don't use MSN.
I don't know Bill Gates..
I've never bought a Windows box..
No, none of that.
So why am I smiling?
Oh, I do so love to see Microsoft BURN!
The next comment I write will be ready soon, but subscribers can beat the rush and see it early!
Chill. Taco's point was simply that *everybody* is talking about this -- when in reality, who really cares?
:-)
The problem has been happening since Tuesday. The world picked up on it today. Even CNBC was talking about it for a while.
GOOD GOD! FUN FOR THE HILLS!
Who cares?
And I hate microsoft.com. I literally haven't visited it in over 6 months. Of course... I'm a Mac OS X user, so...
The next comment I write will be ready soon, but subscribers can beat the rush and see it early!
Got ya Taco! We've all just been running Windows all this time and getting our techno babble from some script kiddies. I am an 31337 hax0r d00d!
aztek: the ultimate man
No sig for you!!
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Everyone
Bzzt! "Everyone" is singular for the same reason "everybody" is singular. Consider how you would conjugate a verb to go with this: would you say, "Everyone read Slashdot" (plural) or "Everyone reads Slashdot" (singular)?
The plural would change 'every', which is singular, to 'all', which is plural, so we want the equivalent of "all bodies." There's no colloquial plural term that comes to my mind.
Heavy traffic combined with poor software. Maybe if they used a real relation database (ie. NOT mysql) they could replicate the database in real time, and maybe be able to handle their traffic, and keep articles on line for more than two months.
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and enemy of growth. -JFK
uh, when I try to go to MSN, it takes me to www.sixer.com instead. I'd say something is hacked.
can only mean one thing.... INVASION!
E.
www.randomdrivel.com -- All that is NOT fit to link to
Build Your Own PVR/HTPC news, reviews, &
Considering the number of name servers that would have cached data on microsoft.com, had they a reasonable TTL, this issue would be almost moot, save for those servers w/o cached data (but perhaps they forward to other servers that may).
I've never really checked to see if they update their IP addresses all that much, which may necessitate the need for low TTLs, or maybe they need this to help with load balancing. But I'll tell you, these big outfits like Yahoo, AOL, MSN, Microsoft, etc, that use such short TTLs are all using up lots of our collective bandwidth. A peek at my caching servers logs bears this out quite clearly. Really, why do I even bother caching data at all these days?
Jesus H Christ!
I read at 3, and all I get are these "CmdrTaco, you suck! Microsoft is important! How dare you bash MS? You psycho commie pinko!"
Get a life ppl! If you disagree with CmdrTaco, that's fine, but do we really need 500 posts calling him to task for voicing his opinion? Frankly, compared to the mush you'd get on a news site, it's refreshing to see someone with the balls to stand up and say, "I don't go to Microsoft because I don't see the need!"
With the reaction he's gotten, you'd think he was saying, "Down with Microsoft! Raid their offices! Burn their files! Rape their women! Piss in their executive washrooms! Bring me the head of Bill Gates!"
Put down your flamethrowers and go see a movie or something. Geez. Relax. You'll live longer!
I just want to take over the world...Why does that automatically make me EVIL?
"'There'!= 'their', the possessive pronoun Taco is looking for."
I think you meant to say 'his or her' as in 'Everybody and his or her brother.'
Everybody is singular.
Well, unfortunately, a bigger problem is that you cannot get into hotmail... this seems like it must be related to M$'s DNS problems
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:support.micro soft.com/support/kb/articles/Q181/5/99.ASP+Q181599 &hl=en&lr=lang_en
I saw the Microsoft whois response, anyone know why slashdot's is:
SLASHDOT.ORG.SUCKS.COMPARED.TO.JIMPHILLIPS.ORG
SLASHDOT.ORG
?
Just a question.
what do you expect? not to bash Slashdot (heaven forbid) but this is hardly a place to read some objective news about 'nerd-related stuff, or stuff that matters'... I mean, they posted a movie review about 'Snatch' for god's sake, something that is in no way, shape or form related to anything that matters, imo. I sincerely doubt you could find a site that actually has updated objective and unbiased information about technology-related issues... unless it was created by a machine.
Wow, guess what commander fuck head.. some people have to run microsoft networks -- amazing isn't it.. so I guess the technet site and such being down might matter to some people after all...fucking think man -- like it or not it is the standard for most offices.
... there's much more immaturity around here. You obviously have never seen the amazing crapflood at -1.
And MS's DNS is down, whoopty shit. What does this have to do with Windows2000, Linux, or slashdot immaturity???
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One future, two choices. Oppose them or let them destroy us.
that it's down so infrequently that you actually have to post when it is down. Wouldn't it be that much better to have posts like "Microsoft's DNS reaches 2-week uptime!"
> Even your stats indicate that MORE than half of your viewers use Internet Explorer! Because we're at work all day waiting for some other MS box to reboot so we can do our work!
Yeah, but download.microsoft.com is down, so I can't download Studio.Net to run Visual Perl, man, it sucks.
By the way, did anyone try Visual Perl? Am I wasting my time downloading all this stuff?
wiZd0m
Just cuz you can't see em doesn't mean the server's went down. They never went down. They are running now. If you had a clue and the actual numeric address then you could visit them right now!
It is Internic's server's databases that are screwed up!
Wake up bonesheads! HATE DOESN"T LOOK GOOD ON YOU
Just cuz you can't see em doesn't mean the server's went down. They never went down. They are running now. If you had a clue and the actual numeric address then you could visit them right now!
It is Internic's server's databases that are screwed up!
Wake up bonesheads! HATE DOESN"T LOOK GOOD ON YOU
Yeah, I do care. I visit msdn.microsoft.com all the time, because it's full of interesting technical information (not just for microsoft platforms), which appeals to the geek in me.
As a non-politically driven techie, I find I'm able to swallow my pride and make best use of all the information available. I don't feel somehow dirty after visiting ms' site.
While I understand a large part of slashdot's readership are none too big fans of microsoft's, I hope no-one attempts to generalise Katz-style about what we _all_ are interested in. I appreciate finding the line to tread is difficult.
What is slightly more interesting is the motivation behind people submitting the story. I suppose people wanted to laugh at ms' technology because it went wrong, and garner some reflected sense of superiority from that. Hmm.
Henry
i don't do sigs. oops.
I totally agree on using what works for the job at hand. I'm quite fond of Linux, and use it as my primary UNIX platform.
The OS bigotry exhibited by Slashdot indicates a lack of ethics and education on the edtior's part.
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Scott Robert Ladd
Master of Complexity
Destroyer of Order and Chaos
All about me
An observation: I use both Linux and Windows 2K (please not the specification on the later!). I like both, for different applications and reasons. I dislike both, too, at times -- so why is it that Microsoft addicts think I'm a Linux geek, and the Linux folks think I'm a Windows-lover? :)
It's sorta like being a middle-of-the-road moderate -- you get from both sides for failing a perceived "purity" test... :)
(See, see? I use smiley's too!)
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Scott Robert Ladd
Master of Complexity
Destroyer of Order and Chaos
All about me
"not" = "note" in "Please note the specification on the latter"
Gotta remember to hit that preview button...
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Scott Robert Ladd
Master of Complexity
Destroyer of Order and Chaos
All about me
I mean, Linux has got bugs too. At least we fix em....
I say Taco is right (just can see my carma getting better :-) )
M$ is not the only way to make money in the industry and LOT of people do not nave need nor willingnes to visit M$ on line. You can not blame Cmndr Taco for this - it is a reality not a posture.
And to everybody who just has to mention here how W2K is very stable, well, I glad you like it. For the amount of money you pay for it, it better be good. It will get even better soon. Just wait till .Net will hit the fan.
orcldba
"First its a horrible directory name to try and navigate to from within a cmd shell."
That would be if you don't have directory and filename completion, easily enabled with the Win2k TweakUI tool from MS, or by manipulating a registry key.
Not for me it isn't. Can't get into Hotmail or MSN or microsoft.com. Just tried fifteen seconds ago.
Phallic Symbols in LOTR
We think that it isn't news because it can - and will - happen to any site. Computer outages happen. People are inconvenience
I would say the reason it is news is that:
Actually, I'm have a much more fun time pissing you linux losers off.
The Game Guy
Linux people are quite a funny bunch - I think living in a niche cause more humor brain cells to develop.
The Game Guy
Articles like this simply make you look like a child throwing a tantrum in the corner cause no one likes you. While I like an amusing article as much as the next guy, this one's not even funny. I'd also venture that it falls under the 'Offtopic, Inflammatory, Inappropriate, Illegal, or Offensive comments' found below this entry window. Mostly, it just bring down the status of your site - its a pretty cheap site, as well as well as poorly written
If you continue to feel the need to do this, I think I'll find another news site to frequent. It's a pity you can't act in a more professional manner.
The Game Guy
Make that cheap SHOT not SITE
The Game Guy
Don't forget us poor students that support M$ products because there aren't any other jobs where we can just work a couple of weeks here and there.
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Blaming GW Bush for the Iraq war is like blaming Ronald McDonald for the poor quality of food.
Your DNS most likely has microsoft.com cached.
Ranessin
Only because your DNS has it cached... It is down.
Ranessin
Only because your DNS has it cached.
Ranessin
I tried it from two different sites to see. Sorry.
Apology accepted... I've tried it from three separate networks, with three separate nameservers... None of which can look up www.msdn.microsoft.com. Yet a fourth nameserver can... Why? Because it's cached.
Ranessin
When I read stuff like this from Slashdot, it makes me remember WHY Slashdot is not recognized by ANY major source as a professional news site.
WAKE UP. Microsoft is HUGE and their software is used everywhere. People need access to this site just as much as you Linux chumps need access to ftp.redhat.com.
Mike
Mike
http://www.datalinknet.net
Goatse.cx is virtually hosted by hick.org. Goatse.cx's IP address resolves to hick.org, so it would be impossible for me to link an IP address to goatse.cx. Believe me, I tried!
-atrowe: Card-carrying Mensa member. I have no toleranse for stupidity.
Of course Taco doesn't have much room to talk considering his website goes down for a few hours every couple of days due to problems with Exodus.net.
-atrowe: Card-carrying Mensa member. I have no toleranse for stupidity.
Still, when it comes down to it, messages like this do nothing except let you give off a little steam. It's sad to realize it, but they don't care, and given that the way we react to these offenses, it's almost surprising that we expect them to care in the first place.
All Slashdot has to do is generate ad revenue. That's it. It's nice to dream that a site that calls itself "news for nerds" would exhibit some degree of journalistic professionalism, but the users don't really demand it, so who cares? Sure, we may post messages complaining about how much it sucks, but I'll be back tomorrow, and I'm pretty sure you will be, too.
We put up with a lot. Look in any discussion and you'll find references to very interesting stories that don't make the Slashdot cut while the same tired stories are posted again and again. Recently, the Slashdot editors proved that they don't even check the links of submitted stories. Today, as someone else in this thread pointed out, CmdrTaco mocked the interests of the readers by saying, in a nutshell, "thousands of our readers are going to submit this story. How stupid our readers are."
Will the Slashdot powers-that-be change anything because of these messages? Of course not. But I'd wager that they are reading this thread, and probably enjoying it, since this front story post was so obviously an absolute troll.
Sorry about that. I was lagging really badly and clicked submit a second time.
Many software developers use the MSDN portion of the MS web site on a daily basis for samples and information. So yes, some people actually do care when the DNS is down.
more breaking (pun intended) news
there was some speculation that this failure may have been caused intentionally. as far as i know this is pure speculation. i believe it was a comment from an MS rep. in the CNN article i read.
that aside if it was a hack/crack then i think it deserves some attention. if massive ddos attacks are news then why wouldn't this be? again i know of no data that backs up this speculation but as others have pointed out, if this was an innocent mistake then it just shows how vulnerable the net is to large outages and still deserves some discussion.
me: waits patiently for the rolling Ca. blackouts to really do a number on the internet.
You're right. I don't know where I got that. Vaguely remember doing a msn lookup and not getting a reply, but it works now. Hotmail uses other dns servers so it isn't related to them at all. Sorry for the hickup..
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Rgier
I use FreeBSD. Solaris uses the same syntax. Don't know about the syntaxes used by the distinguished Linux distributions. See your Linux manual for the correct syntax or call the local support desk.. :)
-- Rogier
"Their" is been used in the singular by Jane
Austen: I don't think that it is a modern
invention.
I use it quite often, and quite naturally,
in conversation: only one person has ever
pulled me up on it: they were geeky (and
a feminist).
-peter.
$ > whois microsoft.com@whois.internic.net [whois.internic.net] Whois Server Version 1.3 Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
MICROSOFT.COM.WILL.LIVE.FOREVER.BUT.LUNIX.SUCKS-BY BIRTH.ARTISTICCHEESE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.SHOULD.GIVE.UP.BECAUSE.LINUXISGOD.CO M
MICROSOFT.COM.SE.FAIT.HAX0RIZER.PAR.TOUT.LE.ZOY.OR G
MICROSOFT.COM.OWNED.BY.MAT.HACKSWARE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.N-AIME.BILL.QUE.QUAND.IL.N-EST.PAS.N U
MICROSOFT.COM.MUST.STOP.TAKEDRUGS.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SOON.GOING.TO.THE.DEATHCORPORATIO N.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SECRETLY.RUN.BY.ILLUMINATI.TERROR ISTS.NET
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NOTHING.BUT.A.MONSTER.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NO.MATCH.FOR.THE.UEBER-GEEKS.AT.J IMPHILLIPS.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.GOD.BUT.LINUX.SUCKS-FOREVER.ARTIS TICCHEESE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.BORING.COMPARED.TO.TEENEXTREME.CO M
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.AT.THE.MERCY.OF.DETRIMENT.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.INSPIRES.COPYCAT.WANNABE.SUBVERSIVES .NET
MICROSOFT.COM.HAS.NO.LINUXCLUE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.PSYKOJOKO.ON.A.ROOT-NETWOR K.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.HACKSWARE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.GUTS.NL
MICROSOFT.COM.FAIT.VRAIMENT.DES.LOGICIELS.A.TROIS. FRANCS.DOUZE.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.ER.IKKE.NO.I.FORHOLD.TIL.LATHANS.NET
MICROSOFT.COM.AINT.WORTH.SHIT.KLUGE.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM
To single out one record, look it up with "xxx", where xxx is one of the
of the records displayed above. If the records are the same, look them up
with "=xxx" to receive a full display for each record.
>>> Last update of whois database: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:29:23 EST
Note, I did not call you a bigot. I don't know you, and don't mean to say that you are. Just be aware of what you say...and what you are actually communicateing.
(I can't spell, and I know it...)
Ownyourphone.com. Custom ringtones, cheap and easy
Hmmm.. your comments lead me to believe you've never even USED Windows 2000.
For instance, if you're not an adminsitrator, running any program called setup.exe causes a dialog to pop up asking if you'd like to install as Administrator or as the current user. There's no way to "forget" to become one.
Second, you seldom need to reboot when installing new software, but lots of software just pops up a "reboot" message anyways.
Third, there is in fact a "Home" directory, and has been even in NT4. It was in Profiles then, and it's under Documents and Settings now. Applications default to your "home" directory (My Documents) so long as they don't specify a specific directory (which most apps don't do).
If you're going to pretend you know something, you shouldn't make comments which immediately give away your lack of knowledge.
If you need web hosting, you could do worse than here
Looks like the authoritative DNS's are screwed up.
.com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
Here's the whois on slashdot.org
Whois Server Version 1.3
Domain names in the
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
SLASHDOT.ORG.SUCKS.COMPARED.TO.JIMPHILLIPS.ORG
SLASHDOT.ORG
To single out one record, look it up with "xxx", where xxx is one of the
of the records displayed above. If the records are the same, look them up
with "=xxx" to receive a full display for each record.
>>> Last update of whois database: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:29:23 EST
Are you lonely? Hate having to make decisons? Meetings, the practical alternitive to work.
If this story doesn't matter, then why did you post it? Stupid troll. You think you're so smart, but I'm smarter and I will expose you for the insidious provacateur that you are, CmdrTaco!!1!!!!1!!! BUAHAHAHAHAA II OWN J000!!11!!
I can think of at least one OS that runs perfectly stable outside of the box. Its a BSD OS (to prevent against starting a flame war or a "mine is bigger then yours" war, I wont mention WHICH BSD it is) and I have never really had any problems with it.
I use this particular OS for DNS, SMTP, POP3, and several other servers, and never have any problems with it. Granted, I modify the SMTP and DNS servers, but only with configuration files necessary for my domains. Nothing that changes the behavior of the programs in any way.
Of course, this is just my personal experience. And, although I do have a Win2k box sitting next to me, I've never really tried to use it for anything relevant (although I have to admit, it never has crashed on me yet).
So I'm probably not qualified to argue which OS is better, since I've never really given Win2k a fair chance. But then, I've never had any problems with my current OS, so why bother to fix something that isn't broken?
One of these days i'm going to find this 'peer' guy and reset HIS connection!
I'm going to get flagged as a troll for this, but I have to point it out... I think it'll get a laugh out of someone at least..
:)
"... whereas 'it's' is the contraction of 'it is' you where looking for."
Isn't that supposed to be "were"?
One of these days i'm going to find this 'peer' guy and reset HIS connection!
Could you please provide details of this so that others can verify it? I have navigator and ie here at work and I haven't noticed what you are describing.... if it is true, it is a very serious accusation.
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Natural != (nontoxic || beneficial)
Tounge in cheek man... Don't take it to seriously. It isn't my site anyway, I just do some programming work for it.
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Natural != (nontoxic || beneficial)
Well, in terms of the whole year, the server hasn't been up for a whole year, so that number could change. It was installed, service pack 1 and all patches were applied, and now the box runs and hasn't been rebooted since.
It isn't a web server, so there isn't much need to patch all the IIS issues -- its not running IIS.
Now as I stated above, after we put it on the web server, we shall see how it goes. I'm keeping an open mind.
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Natural != (nontoxic || beneficial)
>The Microsoft admins are probably aliasing those IPs via router
That still gives them a single point of failure, namely: the router.
Look what the hackers have put into the microsoft root dns server. I did a whois today on microsoft.com and look what I got whois microsoft.com Whois Server Version 1.3 Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
MICROSOFT.COM.WILL.LIVE.FOREVER.BUT.LUNIX.SUCKS-BY BIRTH.ARTISTICCHEESE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.WILL.BOW.TO.SEANHARDING.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.SHOULD.GIVE.UP.BECAUSE.LINUXISGOD.CO M
MICROSOFT.COM.SE.FAIT.HAX0RIZER.PAR.TOUT.LE.ZOY.OR G
MICROSOFT.COM.OWNED.BY.MAT.HACKSWARE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.N-AIME.BILL.QUE.QUAND.IL.N-EST.PAS.N U
MICROSOFT.COM.MUST.STOP.TAKEDRUGS.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.ISNT.THIS.SILLY.AND.DONT.YOU.WANT.YO UR.OWN.808.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SOON.GOING.TO.THE.DEATHCORPORATIO N.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SECRETLY.RUN.BY.ILLUMINATI.TERROR ISTS.NET
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NOTHING.BUT.A.MONSTER.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NO.MATCH.FOR.THE.WANNABE.TERRORIS TS.AT.JIMPHILLIPS.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.GOD.BUT.LINUX.SUCKS-FOREVER.ARTIS TICCHEESE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.BORING.COMPARED.TO.TEENEXTREME.CO M
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.AT.THE.MERCY.OF.DETRIMENT.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.INSPIRES.COPYCAT.WANNABE.SUBVERSIVES .NET
MICROSOFT.COM.HAS.NO.LINUXCLUE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.PSYKOJOKO.ON.A.ROOT-NETWOR K.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.HACKSWARE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.GUTS.NL
MICROSOFT.COM.FAIT.VRAIMENT.DES.LOGICIELS.A.TROIS. FRANCS.DOUZE.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.ER.IKKE.NO.I.FORHOLD.TIL.LATHANS.NET
MICROSOFT.COM.AINT.WORTH.SHIT.KLUGE.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM
To single out one record, look it up with "xxx", where xxx is one of the
of the records displayed above. If the records are the same, look them up
with "=xxx" to receive a full display for each record.
>>> Last update of whois database: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:07:12 EST
The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and
Registrars.
durban%
Andre Kruger Unix Dweeb
Also, mod up the guy who shows the website. Quite informative... it was indeed a DoS.
# whois microsoft.com
.com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
- BY BIRTH.ARTISTICCHEESE.COM
. CO M
. OR G
S .N U
T IO N.COM
R OR ISTS.NET
T .J IMPHILLIPS.ORG
T IS TICCHEESE.COM
. CO M
V ES .NET
W OR K.COM
I S. FRANCS.DOUZE.ORG
N ET
.COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and
[whois.crsnic.net]
Whois Server Version 1.3
Domain names in the
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
MICROSOFT.COM.WILL.LIVE.FOREVER.BUT.LUNIX.SUCKS
MICROSOFT.COM.SHOULD.GIVE.UP.BECAUSE.LINUXISGOD
MICROSOFT.COM.SE.FAIT.HAX0RIZER.PAR.TOUT.LE.ZOY
MICROSOFT.COM.OWNED.BY.MAT.HACKSWARE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.N-AIME.BILL.QUE.QUAND.IL.N-EST.PA
MICROSOFT.COM.MUST.STOP.TAKEDRUGS.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SOON.GOING.TO.THE.DEATHCORPORA
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SECRETLY.RUN.BY.ILLUMINATI.TER
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NOTHING.BUT.A.MONSTER.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NO.MATCH.FOR.THE.UEBER-GEEKS.A
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.GOD.BUT.LINUX.SUCKS-FOREVER.AR
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.BORING.COMPARED.TO.TEENEXTREME
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.AT.THE.MERCY.OF.DETRIMENT.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.INSPIRES.COPYCAT.WANNABE.SUBVERSI
MICROSOFT.COM.HAS.NO.LINUXCLUE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.PSYKOJOKO.ON.A.ROOT-NET
MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.HACKSWARE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.GUTS.NL
MICROSOFT.COM.FAIT.VRAIMENT.DES.LOGICIELS.A.TRO
MICROSOFT.COM.ER.IKKE.NO.I.FORHOLD.TIL.LATHANS.
MICROSOFT.COM.AINT.WORTH.SHIT.KLUGE.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM
To single out one record, look it up with "xxx", where xxx is one of the
of the records displayed above. If the records are the same, look them up
with "=xxx" to receive a full display for each record.
>>> Last update of whois database: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:55:29 EST
The Registry database contains ONLY
Registrars.
while win2k is a lot stablier than people give it credit. the "crashes everyday" thing is the exception, and not the rule. however, if you look at the uptime charts on netcraft or uptimes.net, you'll notice that win2k doesn't even compare to some of the *ix based OSes.
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Take a look for yourself:
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.htm
Cheers.
... but its SCHADENFREUDE value is PRICELESS!
U.S. Democracy: born 7/4/1776, died 12/12/2000 R.I.P.
I bet UUNET made a typo in their routing tables. :-)
[frogger]cvbear0:~>whois microsoft.com
.com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
- BY BIRTH.ARTISTICCHEESE.COM
. CO M
. OR G
S .N U
T IO N.COM
R OR ISTS.NET
T .J IMPHILLIPS.ORG
T IS TICCHEESE.COM
. CO M
V ES .NET
W OR K.COM
I S. FRANCS.DOUZE.ORG
N ET
.COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and
[whois.crsnic.net]
Whois Server Version 1.3
Domain names in the
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
MICROSOFT.COM.WILL.LIVE.FOREVER.BUT.LUNIX.SUCKS
MICROSOFT.COM.SHOULD.GIVE.UP.BECAUSE.LINUXISGOD
MICROSOFT.COM.SE.FAIT.HAX0RIZER.PAR.TOUT.LE.ZOY
MICROSOFT.COM.OWNED.BY.MAT.HACKSWARE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.N-AIME.BILL.QUE.QUAND.IL.N-EST.PA
MICROSOFT.COM.MUST.STOP.TAKEDRUGS.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SOON.GOING.TO.THE.DEATHCORPORA
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SECRETLY.RUN.BY.ILLUMINATI.TER
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NOTHING.BUT.A.MONSTER.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NO.MATCH.FOR.THE.UEBER-GEEKS.A
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.GOD.BUT.LINUX.SUCKS-FOREVER.AR
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.BORING.COMPARED.TO.TEENEXTREME
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.AT.THE.MERCY.OF.DETRIMENT.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.INSPIRES.COPYCAT.WANNABE.SUBVERSI
MICROSOFT.COM.HAS.NO.LINUXCLUE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.PSYKOJOKO.ON.A.ROOT-NET
MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.HACKSWARE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.GUTS.NL
MICROSOFT.COM.FAIT.VRAIMENT.DES.LOGICIELS.A.TRO
MICROSOFT.COM.ER.IKKE.NO.I.FORHOLD.TIL.LATHANS.
MICROSOFT.COM.AINT.WORTH.SHIT.KLUGE.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM
To single out one record, look it up with "xxx", where xxx is one of the
of the records displayed above. If the records are the same, look them up
with "=xxx" to receive a full display for each record.
>>> Last update of whois database: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:55:29 EST
The Registry database contains ONLY
Registrars.
That was actually a pretty good shot as some MSCEs. I know a few like that. Problem is, even if you use the IP address for the webserver, the website developers can't make up their minds betwee absoulte and relitive links. So even though you can technically get to and use their site, more than half of the front page is nonfuctional due to broken links in the code (including asp, cgi, etc code.) Maybe somebody will go down and smack their webdev team. "Hey, Internet access is kinda limited right now, so why don't you go clean up those absoulte links."
I'm going to go back in my box and will think within the limits of my box: MS Sucks Linux Good I read too much Slashdot.
OK....so Taco flamed microsoft. BFD. And I guess that the number of responses indicates some of us seem to care. All I really want to know is has someone heard from Microsoft as for when it will be up and running again, cause some of us might like to check our hotmail. I know some people can get to it but that doesn't really help the rest of us poor slobs. So in short ANY REAL NEWS?
Always value the individual over the system. --Bruce Lee "I don't need a Sig - I have a custom 191" - me
Are there any mirrors of microsoft DNS records around ? Wait... nevermind that.
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On scale from -14 to 56 this post is '-15, Nonexistent'
I guess you had to debug it some more...
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On scale from -14 to 56 this post is '-15, Nonexistent'
I found a caching nameserver that remembers an A record for microsoft.com is 207.46.230.218 (www is not cached). traceroute to this ip fails as well as to the authoritive nameservers for this domain.
"(a) learn how to spell. I'm not normally a spelling flamer (i.e. not for posters), but how can you expect people to take the site seriously when you can't even be bothered to read the post twice or put it through a spellchecker to find that 'its' is a possessive pronoun, whereas 'it's' is the contraction of 'it is' you where looking for. "
...not "where". See point (a).
That's "were"
...because they are OpenBSD!!! ;)
Of course the DNS servers are down, it's running on windows, hasn't it been about 3 months since the last time they rebooted? It's actually a pretty nice feature of windows. Been awhile since the last reboot? Windows will automatically let you know it.
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For all you Microsoft apologists out there. Did you ever stop to think there is a reason so many people hate Microsoft, that it is not because Microsoft is just misunderstood.
Well, I am here to let you know that there is hope, because I also used to be a Microsoft fan. If I can kick the habit, then you also can be free of your addiction, you CAN get the needle out of your arm!
The first step is admitting you have a problem and then salvation can be yours. Don't despair, you poor lost souls.
Yeah, over 60 million people are affected by this DNS corruption, having nothing to do with microsoft's sites or servers, and taco boy thinks he is too cool because he only runs linsux.
You justr ditto'd taco boy's gaffe by making your own.
Maybe they could improve their overall quality if they *didn't* hire dumbasses...
"We'll need 2000 crickets, 4 cans of Easy Cheese, and the fluid from 18 glowsticks for this plan to work...." - ph0n1c
Nah im just kidding, but it seems like http://www.microsoft.co.uk
is up and has some more information about the "issues with its websites". Check it out before it gets Slashdotted =)
This aint my
Water may be free but I still prefer beer.
It's really not that difficult, you know.
I agree that dns[4567].cp.msft.net are all down, but your reasoning is a bit sloppy. The "server" command switches the name server, looking up the IP address for the new server using the current nameserver. So if your current nameserver is set to dns7.cp.msft.net, then of course it's going to time out with the command "server dns6.cp.msft.net."
Use the "lserver" command to switch the current nameserver, using the initial nameserver to look up its address. Then repeat your search on microsoft.com. (and try to use the same query too, don't use "microsoft.com" the first time and "www.microsoft.com" the second time. This is just keeping the variables at a minimim) I agree with your findings, but find your approach to be a bit sloppy.
I'm making a
Here's what a Zdnet has to say about the situation:
5 86 ,2677896,00.html
"... the company's engineers have not ruled out the possibility that a so-called denial-of-service (DOS) attack is causing the outage."
I would think that any engineer should be able to tell a DOS attack by the incommming traffic. Sounds like MS is trying a little smoke and mirrors with the press to keep the heat down.
http://netscape.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4
"That's the sort of blinkered, philistine pig ignorance I've come to expect from you non-creative garbage."-Monty Python
well gee, it is a big deal because now I can't get the goddamn files I need to do my work today - try telling a user that MSoft's DNS is down and observe: a) they don't understand b) they don't care which inevitably leads to c) I get kicked around by people who think I'm coming up with excuses. Sheesh - /. is becoming sooo rabid and elitist, I used to get warm and fuzzy vibes here...
blazing a trail for mediocrity...
I agree with anj. It looks like it is a DoS attack... kinda ironic don't you think? A DoS on the people who brought us DOS. I too can ping their dns servers but only a few come back to me, and their web ip is running slow as *bleep*.
Help Brendan pay off his student loans
looks like some of the registry servers have been hacked.
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At least windows users can admit their OS isnt the greatest thing since sliced bread and has issues :)
as for the /. server issue, I design backend software for a living. Timeouts *are not a normal thing*. Christ, if the software I write timed out as much as /. does, id be fired and hanged. How do I know its not my ISP? Because only /. does it. Lower traffic /code sides such as k5 dont do it, or any other site really.
I imagine this has to do with the combination of perl and mysql that /. uses (I think it uses those anyway..) not that there is anything wrong specifically with either (I love mysql for personal projects), but MySQL and perl is not a good choice for such a high-traffic site.
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There is a point to this story. It points out how vulnerable DNS still is to cache poisoning.
How you figure? If this was a case of cache poisoning we'd be seeing incorrect information, not timeouts.
What this story does is point out how vulnerable MS shops are to extended downtimes.
"Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it." -- GBS
Interresting how Microsoft Service Packs are frowned upon, and yet Linux Kernel updates are hailed. The open source movement has both advantages and disadvantages when compared to closed source software. So bring on Linux vs Microsoft... No wait, it's down *grin*.
Hello, but this has to been the most pathetic anti-m$ft argument in this entire thread. NT3? Jesus christ. It'd hardly compare whatever flavor of Linux you have in mind to the arcane bowels of NT3. I couldn't give a crap either way about "who's better, linux or windows", but at least base your argument on something a little more substantial than "My Linux Honda Accord" whips your "M$FT Flintstones Cruiser" ass. Yeah. Or something like that.
Ha ha! Microsoft's DNS is down! That never ever happens to anyone else. Those big jerks... they must suck because their DNS is down.
Come on guys... has this never happened to us?
Considering amount of $$$ they have in their hands and amount of people that can maintain those server - yes, they suck.
They suck from the moment when they tried to 'guarantee 99.9% uptime' for their shitty server software. Take the calculator, and see how much it is.
There we go - they are experiencing 0.1% now...
(HP-UX and AIX used to guarantee 99.999999% - get the picture)
Amen, brother/sister
...good grief.
I, too, am conscripted to the hellish hordes known as ISP tech support, and I've had 100 calls or more today from people whining that they can't get to
Funny my backdoor didn't work out as I expected.....
"...Fear the people who fear your computer"
It's especially news if you work in tech support for an ISP and have all these people saying "My internet is broken" just because they can't get to MSN. Plus I happen to use the info under their support pages for those wacky bugs in MS products. We found one the other day here at work where, since upgrading our server to Win 2K, some people were unable to log onto the intranet or get their email. This was because of having an older version of the secur32.dll file. Microsoft.com does help sometimes and yes it is newsworthy that they are down, especiallt because it's been for so long.
I've got to "third" this point of view. I use Win2k Pro as my primary desktop and the ONLY crash I've had in the past year (including when I was using the last 2 betas) is when the Gravis Xterminator beta gamepad driver (for MAME, of course) bluescreened me. It has since been uninstalled and no crashes since.
Heh, if they're switching those 'evil' *nix boxes out for Windows boxes, this is only the beginning...
Do you like German cars?
I just finished reading my hotmail.
Yours isn't working?
Hay thar.
Paying ten years in advance might turn out to have been a mistake.
Ten years from now who will remember to pay it again, since that will be generations of staffers later? Nobody will even know how.
That is, of course, if there's even a registar to pay ten years from now....
Hay thar.
If you actually took your blinkers off you might realize that - I don't just crap about Linux like you seem to about Windows. I haven't got an irrational fear/jealousy about Linux.
Microsoft sure does. See the Halloween Documents. This is Slashdot: News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters. There's always been an anti-Microsoft sentiment around here as it is a pro-Linux/BSD/*nix web site. If you don't like it, don't visit. Go create a website for Microsoft Weenies. Call it backslash-NAME-tilde.com. I don't expect Rush Limbaugh to start telling the Democratic side of the story simply because he's the most popular talk show host in the country! Why should /. start supporting Microsoft?
Redhat goes down, MS goes down . . . don't say that no-one needs to visit redhat.com . . . ever tried installing Redhat? . . .I spent 3 hours downloading things from http://updates.redhat.com.
You keep talking about Redhat. Do you understand (don't take this personal) that Redhat != Linux? Just an aside. You're coming across as the typical idiot who buys Redhat, installs it once, dinks around with it for 5-10 minutes, realizes that its not just like Windows, and quits learning. Then this idiot feels they know everything there is to know about Linux and starts spreading misinformation like "it took me 3 hours to update Linux" when you don't mention that it takes longer for Windows.
This stuff about Windows needing service packs often is bull. Linux has far more service packs, because Microsft (sic--emphasis added) updates things all at once whereas with Linux you have to update individually.
Are you too stupid to see the significance of this? While Windows users are getting their security bungholes ripped open while they wait for their precious Service Pack, Linux users can download the latest version of software and be safe from the nasty script kiddies.
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Consider the daffodil. And while you're doing that, I'll be over here, looking through your stuff.
whois slashdot.org
And you see
SLASHDOT.ORG.SUCKS.COMPARED.TO.JIMPHILLIPS.ORG
Seems that Microsoft, Yahoo, Amazon etc are not the only ones with egg on their faces. Cmdr Taco has been affected by this particular phenomenon too.
Michael
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[whois.crsnic.net] Whois Server Version 1.3 Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
MICROSOFT.COM.WILL.LIVE.FOREVER.BUT.LUNIX.SUCKS-BY BIRTH.ARTISTICCHEESE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.SHOULD.GIVE.UP.BECAUSE.LINUXISGOD.CO M
MICROSOFT.COM.SE.FAIT.HAX0RIZER.PAR.TOUT.LE.ZOY.OR G
MICROSOFT.COM.OWNED.BY.MAT.HACKSWARE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.N-AIME.BILL.QUE.QUAND.IL.N-EST.PAS.N U
MICROSOFT.COM.MUST.STOP.TAKEDRUGS.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SOON.GOING.TO.THE.DEATHCORPORATIO N.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SECRETLY.RUN.BY.ILLUMINATI.TERROR ISTS.NET
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NOTHING.BUT.A.MONSTER.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NO.MATCH.FOR.THE.UEBER-GEEKS.AT.J IMPHILLIPS.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.GOD.BUT.LINUX.SUCKS-FOREVER.ARTIS TICCHEESE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.BORING.COMPARED.TO.TEENEXTREME.CO M
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.AT.THE.MERCY.OF.DETRIMENT.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.INSPIRES.COPYCAT.WANNABE.SUBVERSIVES .NET
MICROSOFT.COM.HAS.NO.LINUXCLUE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.PSYKOJOKO.ON.A.ROOT-NETWOR K.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.HACKSWARE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.GUTS.NL
MICROSOFT.COM.FAIT.VRAIMENT.DES.LOGICIELS.A.TROIS. FRANCS.DOUZE.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.ER.IKKE.NO.I.FORHOLD.TIL.LATHANS.NET
MICROSOFT.COM.AINT.WORTH.SHIT.KLUGE.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM
To single out one record, look it up with "xxx", where xxx is one of the
of the records displayed above. If the records are the same, look them up
with "=xxx" to receive a full display for each record.
>>> Last update of whois database: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:55:29 EST
The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and
Registrars.
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Whois Server Version 1.3
Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
MICROSOFT.COM.WILL.LIVE.FOREVER.BUT.LUNIX.SUCKS-BY BIRTH.ARTISTICCHEESE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.SHOULD.GIVE.UP.BECAUSE.LINUXISGOD.CO M
MICROSOFT.COM.SE.FAIT.HAX0RIZER.PAR.TOUT.LE.ZOY.OR G
MICROSOFT.COM.OWNED.BY.MAT.HACKSWARE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.N-AIME.BILL.QUE.QUAND.IL.N-EST.PAS.N U
MICROSOFT.COM.MUST.STOP.TAKEDRUGS.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SOON.GOING.TO.THE.DEATHCORPORATIO N.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SECRETLY.RUN.BY.ILLUMINATI.TERROR ISTS.NET
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NOTHING.BUT.A.MONSTER.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NO.MATCH.FOR.THE.UEBER-GEEKS.AT.J IMPHILLIPS.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.GOD.BUT.LINUX.SUCKS-FOREVER.ARTIS TICCHEESE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.BORING.COMPARED.TO.TEENEXTREME.CO M
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.AT.THE.MERCY.OF.DETRIMENT.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.INSPIRES.COPYCAT.WANNABE.SUBVERSIVES .NET
MICROSOFT.COM.HAS.NO.LINUXCLUE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.PSYKOJOKO.ON.A.ROOT-NETWOR K.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.HACKSWARE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.GUTS.NL
MICROSOFT.COM.FAIT.VRAIMENT.DES.LOGICIELS.A.TROIS. FRANCS.DOUZE.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.ER.IKKE.NO.I.FORHOLD.TIL.LATHANS.NET
MICROSOFT.COM.AINT.WORTH.SHIT.KLUGE.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM
To single out one record, look it up with "xxx", where xxx is one of the
of the records displayed above. If the records are the same, look them up
with "=xxx" to receive a full display for each record.
>>> Last update of whois database: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:55:29 EST
The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and
Registrars.
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I want my hotmail...
Lousy facepalm.
Redhat was also down at the time I checked for updates to my systems last night (Tuesday).
So, is it Microsofts DNS or is it the hosting facilities DNS?
If the later, DNS is suredly not MS.
:-( --- argh. Despair, I owe again.
Which is not to say the former wasn't.
-- Eat your greens or I'll hit you!
-- Eat your greens or I'll hit you!
Irony is not that thing you use to burn your AOL CDs..... and your fingers sometimes.
I know, I know, OT and flame bait. So be it: shoot! But aim well. I pardon all of you.....
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
You can rant all you want about how nice linux is or how cool the mac is or this and that and how awful Microsoft is, but you it's just misplaced anger. The fact that Windows _works_ on hundreds of millions of PC's around the world is a truly amazing feat. And the last time I checked the security sites, linux had just has many security holes as windows only they're not publicized as much. How about that fptd security hole from a few months back? Woooo that _never_ happens on a linux box.... All your Microsoft bashing is completely unfounded and I'm crying all the way to the bank.
According to a C-Net story (at news.com) it appears that Microsoft is now blaming techs for misconfigured routers. This sounds very fishy to me considering I work with routers. 20+ hours to find a misconfigured router???
That really made me laugh ;)
I didn't pay for my operating system either
....or rather "replaced."
Rien n'est plus beau que le creux du 0.
Gonzojohn ofLinuxOrbit posted this snapshot of whaaaaaasssssssUp at Microsoft.com Interesting!
Rien n'est plus beau que le creux du 0.
If you want music try turning on the radio.
Rien n'est plus beau que le creux du 0.
Thank you Josh, I knew he meant apps. I just couldn't resist being a hopelessly dumb smart-ass. Linux won't be lacking for long though.
Rien n'est plus beau que le creux du 0.
...because they made a deal with Satan. I'm not sure, but I believe it has something to do with EVIL
Rien n'est plus beau que le creux du 0.
Right uou "R"... The NT fixes, fixexes,, patch(es)&(ings), security updates, etc, etc will soon take up more space on a system than One Whole Potato.
Rien n'est plus beau que le creux du 0.
Then try freeBSD and you'll sense the freedom. Microsoft, in spite of a certain technical efficacy concerning gazing at its own navel, has become like a piggy drowning in its own mud hole.
Rien n'est plus beau que le creux du 0.
Any server software will be slow if there is a blip in the bandwidth.
Also, it could be a glitch in the Perl code...or a number of other things. Or maybe your ISP is just having problems:=)You know, arguments like this really grate me. If someone walked up to me and started tuning me for using one OS over another, I'd tell them that I had more important things to worry about than what OS I use - like looking after my polo ponies!
I do use Linux because it's currently the best enviroment to host a Zope Server on. On the client side I use both Linux and Windows to get a feel of what the end result of Zope intranet sites I program will look like and perform like in various enviroments and browsers.But, I am NOT attached to either OS. They are mere tools for me to get my job done so that I can get money to feed my polo ponies and myself.
Perhaps the problem is Perl. Slashcode should be re-written in PytonI do, because I use MetaFrame's ICA Client for all our company's internal work, and it honestly never goes down. Only three times in 6 months has our Terminal Server stopped a service, and all of those times were during the evening hours, when there were no client sessions online anyway.
Actually, I'd be much more lenient to implement a local server-based solution, simply because we have to depend on the client's hardware, and deal with previous server configurations. Those servers are always having problems simply because they're so incredibly old.
Anyway, I think the limiting factor in virtual computing is the bandwidth issue, nothing to do with "rent vs own" or "dependability of service". If you've got a high speed connection, and a slow computer, I'd actually PREFER to use a virtual desktop, as it will be about a million times faster than running locally.
It all depends on the situation, ASP isn't for everybody, especially consumers... but it works EXCEPTIONALLY in a small-med sized corporate business; especially when they're on the same backbone as the provider, hehe. =)
Protector of Capitalist views,
Protector of Capitalist views,
Meorah
M$ does not want to be an ASP. Their .NET initiative is to develop software specifically designed to be used in an ASP environment. Then they can license the software to ASPs, who will then resale the software to specific users.
K THX DRV THRU!
Protector of Capitalist views,
Protector of Capitalist views,
Meorah
Hotmail is up... Must be running on UNIX ;oP
"Look where we worship" -- Jim Morrison
I ran DNS on NT Server 4.0 in the past. Granted, it was at home on my home network and not in any sort of production, but it worked fairly well for me. So perhaps they are running it on NT instead of unix.
I'm the king of bongo baby I'm the king of bongo bong.
Hey, you all should quit busting on Microsoft. While their prodcuts are not perfect, they are probably the best on the market today. They try very hard to make our life better and more fulfilling. Ease off on your anti-Microsoft rhetoric!
Am I the only one thinking that all these guys complaining about not being able to get files DAILY 'cos the site is down should store the damn things locally?. Talk about skiing up a hill...
-oO In the beginning there was nothing...which exploded 0o-
Just this one thought: should so many be so dependent on one company? Parables we tell our kids warn of putting "all eggs in one basket". Just wondering...
I am a linux control freak but it does make for intersting reading its worth the time to read how they use a single ip and supplie request's from whatever area in the world you are. http://www.microsoft.com/BackStage/default.htm Just my two cent's. FuzzyGroove FuzzyGroove@designdesires.co.uk
whois amazon.com:U S.COMA OL.ORGH ECK-OUT.JIMPHILLIPS.ORG R K.COMJ IMPHILLIPS.ORG
AMAZON.COM.SHOULD.SELL.SEXTOYSONLINE.COM
whois yahoo.com:
YAHOO.COM.IS.TRYING.TO.STEAL.YAHOO.VU.HOW.ACIDULO
whois slashdot.org:
SLASHDOT.ORG.SUCKS.COMPARED.TO.JIMPHILLIPS.ORG
whois netscape.com:
NETSCAPE.COM.SHOULD.SHAKE.OFF.ITS.CHAINS.AND.FUCK
NETSCAPE.COM.SHOULD-DUMP.AOL-AND-REHIRE.JWZ.BUT.C
whois aol.com:
AOL.COM.IS.REGULARLY.HAX0RED.BY.INSIDE-AOL.COM
AOL.COM.HACKED.BY.PSYKOJOKO.ON.A.ROOT-NETWORK.COM
whois microsoft.com:
MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.PSYKOJOKO.ON.A.ROOT-NETWO
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NO.MATCH.FOR.THE.UEBER-GEEKS.AT.
I don't know about anyone else, but I see a theme...
geez...is this the most blatant "I hate MS" post in a long time or what?!?
"Well, I guess if you run windows you gotta get your service packs every few minutes "
The normal rant about MSFT around here is that one has to wait a long time for a service pack to come out with fixes to known bugs and security holes. So which is? Do they come frequently or infrequently?
If nothing else, this should make everybody question the wisdom of using .NET
Hey, maybe they're getting ready to tell the world that this kind of thing wouldn't happen if the entire Internet ran on Active Directory (tm) instead of ordinary DNS! (Moderators: it's a joke. Put yer flamebait points away.)
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If you find Windows in either version usefull, then please be happy and use it. Nobody will care about you using both systems, as well as nobody cares about every other guy that just uses Linux or Windows.
;) )
Out there are so many OSes, and almost every of them has something that others can't do better, simply because its designed for that. Windows for example has two or three main advantages: first, it's widely spread and therefore a lot of people know how to work with it, and second, it pretends being easy-to-use. (A third advantage is e.g. you can't hack the root acount
Others have other advantages, and everyone should use that operation system that he thinks is best for the job.
And I find it interesting that the DNS Server of microsoft crashed, interesting in the same way as the hack of www.apache.org (if those guys don't know how to setup a secure webserver, who should know then?), and also as the newsitem about some MS Services like hotmail running Unices, simply because MS's products didn't do the job.
Michael Bergbauer (michael.bergbauer@gmx.net)
Human nature. I believe the thought process goes something like "I'm no bigot. I'll show this guy how tolerant we are of alternative viewpoints by moderating him up!"
It's fairly widely known around the people who've been on /. for a while. Certainly everybody that uses the technique does - but, unfortunately, many moderators haven't realized it yet. Unfortunately, complaining about this tends to draw a bunch of people telling you to stop bitching.
Undoubtedly, or if not karma, at least a +5 so he can shout his views with a karmic megaphone (geez, I like that phrase :)
The solution? My personal moderation policy is that anybody who uses the phrase "I know I'm going to be modded down for this" or similar, gets exactly what they ask for - moderation down.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
--Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
Who the hell still runs IE2? You can get IE3 for Win3.1. You can't run Asheron's Call under DOS either.
Look at microsoft.com in lynx sometime (not a framed one, try w3m for that). Now try netscape.com.
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I've finally had it: until slashdot gets article moderation, I am not coming back.
Is someone out there attacking DNS servers?
Just an irrational suspicion...
I can see the fnords!
The article said that they hadn't been cracked. So I guess this was a natural response of their own software running on their own-ed hardware.
Which is scarier, that M$ would be that vulnerable to cracking, which wasn' the case this time, or that not even M$ is capable of defending itself against its own products?
Check into access security systems which monitor traffic through doors and other entry/exit points from secure facilities. NONE are running anything by M$. They're ALL run on Unix platforms.
MSBPodcast.com The opinions expressed here are my own. If you don't like 'em... Think up your own stuff.
The Windows Internet platform defaults to so many
aspects of microsoft.com- hotmail, passport, msn,
outlook- and is mostly disabled today. You'd
think that the company that wants to become the
NET computing platform would have better reliability
and defence against hacking.
"At 6:30 p.m. Tuesday (PST), a Microsoft technician made a configuration change to the routers on the edge of Microsoft's Domain Name Server network..."
More Info
Actually MS has all of their servers in the same location (Microsoft evidently believes that the world ends in Redmond) as their DNS servers, and therefore what good would Geographical Dispersity have helped when after resolving the IP you still have to goto Redmond for the web page?
I fail to see how this is an advantage - Microsoft service packs are notorious for fixing some things and breaking others. Far better to only have to upgrade things you care about. This probably brings the number of updates you have to get about on par with the number of Microsoft updates, except that you can more closely control the number of changes that you do at once.
Your grandma's running bind? She rocks! But seriously, all you have to do is get the RPM/DEB in response to the security bulletin from your distribution's security list, open up your favorite package manager front-end, click on the package, and then quit once it's installed. Doesn't sound too tough for Grandma if she could already click through a Windows upgrade. If Grandma's running Debian she can even get the updates automated and never mess with them again.
And of course Grandma can upgrade bind a couple hours after the hole is found if she's interested; who knows how long she'd wait for a Service Pack?
Actually, that was jonkatz :) I totally agree on the spelling issue, though - it's at the point where I just skip some of the good Cmdr's articles, because it's too difficult to determine what he's getting at. I've never understood why bright, motivated people don't have the same regard for the impression their words make that they have for the way that their code runs.
Oh, c'mon. Journalistic standards vary widely; although CmdrTaco's screed wasn't particularly literate or well-reasoned (I would have rated it Flamebait too) it falls within the realm of so-called journalism from the Microsoft Linux Myths page or from ZDNet et al. The sad truth is that yellow journalism is alive and well in the modern tech press on all sides of a given issue.
Your right to not believe: Americans United for Separation of Church and
Actually, SSL Certificates are IP-neutral, they tie a domain name to a business. If you can steal the certificate, the corresponding private key, and hack the DNS traffic, you are now the valid site, technologically speaking.
Returned Peace Corps IT Volunteer
Who gets to be the Certificate Authority? Are they going to charge as much as current commercial CAs do to verify your identity?
I am not sure if microsoft's DNS is down or just fscked up. I can't access it by http://www.microsoft.com but I can with http://microsoft.com
"When I was a little kid my mother told me not to stare into the sun...
"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear"
I don't know which system is hacked
/root# whois microsoft.com
.com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
Y BIRTH.ARTISTICCHEESE.COM
O M
R G
but that's not a normal whois-query:
dollyb
Whois Server Version 1.3
Domain names in the
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
Server Name: MICROSOFT.COM.WILL.LIVE.FOREVER.BUT.LUNIX.SUCKS-B
IP Address: 209.191.22.24
Registrar: CORE INTERNET COUNCIL OF REGISTRARS
Whois Server: whois.corenic.net
Referral URL: www.corenic.net
Server Name: MICROSOFT.COM.SHOULD.GIVE.UP.BECAUSE.LINUXISGOD.C
IP Address: 207.10.88.13
Registrar: INTERNET DOMAIN REGISTRARS
Whois Server: whois.registrars.com
Referral URL: www.registrars.com
Server Name: MICROSOFT.COM.SE.FAIT.HAX0RIZER.PAR.TOUT.LE.ZOY.O
IP Address: 138.12.12.12
Registrar: GANDI
Whois Server: whois.gandi.net
Referral URL: www.gandi.net
There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary and those who don't.
No shit this is irrelevant.
...
But most of the slashdot community these days seems to be composed of 14 year old linux script kiddie hacker wannabies who think this is earth shattering news.
Maybe we need a new website. Posting stories such as "How to haxx0r" and "MS website is down for the 48924th time this week". It will be "News for kiddies. Stuff thats l337."
This will leave slashdot for the real intellects. Who knows, it might just work
D
You can tell how powerful someone is by the magnitude of the crime they can commit and be able to get away with.
> Windows 2000 is quite stable--as many others have pointed out in past postings. My Win2K system runs continuously for weeks at a time, without glitch or problem, despite my use of games and unusual hardware.
Weeks at at time!
There has been a raging argument about this in comp.os.linux.advocacy for the past few weeks, and some guy finally went and looked up all the Hot 100 sites using Netcraft's uptime counters, and the results looked pretty dismal for W2K.
I suppose someday I'll be bothered to learn how to href a usenet article, but meanwhile I'll just direct you to c.o.l.a. and tell you to look for a recent thread with "Hot 100" in the subject line.
To avoid undue suspense, I'll tip you off that the average uptime for sites based on W2K was about 19 days, or about half what the Linux sites were getting and 1/3 of what the Solaris sites had.
So. I'm sure W2K is nice for people who are in to that kind of thing, but I were trying to sell people on it I wouldn't push it on the basis of its uptimes.
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Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
That's just a bunch of perfectly legitimate host ercords at internic.
Whois doesn't return the domain registration info for a single domain, it first does a substring search for the given string.
In this case, it shows every single registered host record that has 'microsoft.com' as part of it's name.
Many domains do this.. it's not a hack, it's not even anything at all.
It's a joke. I work with some pretty smart MCSE's. It's still fun to pick on them though. :)
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I heard they shut down their DNS to prevent evil script kiddies from pounding on their site all day. They figured that kiddies aren't smart enough to find the IP somewhere and use that. Unfortunately for them, they didn't realize that anyone with an MCSE wouldn't be able to figure it out either.
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I agree that Microsoft is a very important force for people to deal with in the real world. But, all that aside, here in my non-real college student world, I am *very* interested to read that MS is having DNS problems because it makes me HAPPY! I am very happy to see just about anything go wrong at the Empire, and I think a lot of /.'ers feel the same way. Their DNS problem is going to make me smile all the way through my networking class! :>
Slashdot 's editors are dickheads
As the sole developer of the only GUI uptimes.net client for Windows, I spend a good bit of my time explaining to people how comparing Win2K uptimes with *NIX uptimes is comparing apples to oranges. It's gotten to the point now where I just don't even care anymore. If ya' can't figure it out fer yerself, I ain't gonna explain it.
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I run several Windows 2000 servers myself, and I also use Windows 2000 as my full-time desktop OS at home and at work. At one point, I had a web server running Windows 2000 Server RC2, serving a popular dynamic (ASP/MSSQL-driven) site, on hardware that didn't meet Windows' minimum requirements. The server stayed up (and perfectly stable) for 155 days before I finally had to shut it down to move it to my new apartment. And this was on a beta version of Windows, on sub-standard hardware! My desktop installation (running a non-beta version, on hardware that surpasses the OS's requirements) has an average uptime of over 20 days, and this is a machine that I use for software development, testing, and games. Even then, I usually only reboot it to install new hardware or upgrade software. Crashes are very infrequent.
What too many Microsoft-haters fail to realize is that Windows 2000 can be every bit as stable as your favorite *NIX OS. It's not that stable right out of the box (nor is any *NIX distro), but if you tweak it just right and run things smartly, you'll have a server that could take on anything in an uptime contest.
In the interests of not getting modded down for redundancy, I won't go into detail about how retarded this bias is that so many *NIX users (especially that punk CmdrTaco) have against Microsoft.
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Create an /etc/postfix/transport file with the contents:
microsoft.com smtp:[131.107.3.124]
.microsoft.com smtp:[131.107.3.124]
(.124 is mail2.microsoft.com; .125 is mail1, which is apparently down right now.)
Put this in your /etc/postfix/main.cf:
transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport
Reload or restart postfix and have it flush all the mail. It might take a while, especially if you have a lot of mail queued up. To speed things up, try these two settings:
default_destination_concurrency_limit = 200
qmgr_site_hog_factor = 100
Oh, I know where we would be without Microsoft. We would have cheaper, faster computers with better sound and graphics, easier to program for, easier to use, and not requireing a weekly reboot and a 6-month reinstall cycle.
Thats where we would be. Because that is the history of computers that we have.
How many times has Rob talked about Diablo II? And then on the front page he starts talking about "if you run Windows." Well, rob, you do too. Sometimes it just gets rediculous with the Linux sensationalism.
Yes I use and Love linux and it's my primary OS on all of my computers (excpet the Mac IIsi (no FPU yet)). but I have windows on my workstation to do things like play games, hard disk multi-track recording, and to view quicktime movies.
A quick whois microsoft.com shows they are running 4 dns servers all on the same /24 network. What kind of "network professional" did this. Most likely the idiot illegally claims to be an engineer as well.
What ever happened to putting your dns servers on separate networks? It used to be a requirement to register a domain. At least hotmail got it almost right... too bad they link to passport.com which didn't.
I agree that's incompetent, but it isn't the problem in this case. I can ping all of them; they're alive, and the router on the subnet is alive. Their problem appears to be that their reverse DNS tables are shagged, so the servers don't know their own identities. Mind you, that incompetent too, but it's a different kind of incompetent.
I'm old enough to remember when discussions on Slashdot were well informed.
How many times has Taco stated that he posts what he finds to be interesting, nothing less, nothing more. For the most part that happens to be "news for nerds, stuff that matters" but not always. Taco doesn't use windows so M$ having dns problems isn't important to him.
/.
Keep in mind also that this site isn't meant to be a news portal for IT professionals but a news site for Linux using geek-types in general about things that interest us outside of our professional lives (ignore for a minute that for most geek types there is a fair bit of crossover between work stuff and personal stuff.) With that in mind, I agree with Taco, that one company that makes software I don't use having dns problems is not worthy of a headline on the front page of
"Listen: We are here on Earth to fart around. Don't let anybody tell you any different!" - Kurt Vonnegut
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Ahem!:
: of or relating to them or themselves especially as possessors, agents, or objects of an action <their furniture> <their verses> <their being seen>
Main Entry: their
Pronunciation: [th]&r, '[th]er, '[th]ar
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from their, pronoun, from Old Norse theirra, genitive plural demonstrative & personal pronoun; akin to Old English thæt that
Date: 13th century
1
2 : his or her : HIS, HER, ITS-- used with an indefinite third person singular antecedent <anyone in their senses -- W. H. Auden>
usage see THEY
So if you consider "everybody" to be singular then it seems that at least Mirriam-Webster's agrees that "their" is appropriate usage.
There's nothing like flaming a grammar flamer flaming another grammar flamer for grammar.
It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
who cares about dns, when I couldn't even upgrade an nt4 re-install. "sure", sez i to myself, "i can just update the rest over the net, using the bundled browser." big bro microsoft had other ideas.
of course, their latest websites haven't even rendered in ie2 ... this
is their own software that doesn't
display their own website. feh.
I'm picking on you, specifically, because you're convenient, but the same goes for everyone else posting this.
First of all, you are the fourth person to post the exact same thing, on page 12 of the comments...I can only imagine hoe many more times it has already been posted.
Not only this, but your post follows two explanations -- one nicely written, one a flame -- on this page alone explaining why you are wrong.
None of those entries are for microsoft.com's domain, except the last one, which is microsoft.com. The rest? "MICROSOFT.COM.GUTS.NL" is for guts.nl. "MICROSOFT.COM.MUST.STOP.TAKEDRUGS.ORG" is for takedrugs.org. See the pattern?
Anyone can buy a domain, create microsoft.sucks.mydomain.com, and get it to show up on WHOIS.
Of course you'll never be modded up. You are wrong, you have been proven wrong multiple times, and you are highly redundant.
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As of 4:50PM PST, they're back up. No apology or explanation on the home page.
General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
All I have to say is that MSN being down is bad. I do ISP tech support. Does anybody really want to know in this past week how many people have called thinking their internet was down, because their MSN home page didn't come up?
*twitch*
You were given bad inforamtion. There is no such piece of software as `Optiionn Pack 4'. You want the `Windows NT 4.0 Option Pack'. No wonder the MS respresentative was confused.
FYI, the Windows NT 4.0 Option pack includes IIS, Transaction Server, Certificate Server, Index server, and various other bits and pieces.
Everybody is singular? What's the plural form? Everybodies?
Everyone
I now expect to lose Karma for criticizing Slashdot. Of course, if I cared about Karma, I wouldn't post this response...
Why is it that every response that has something to the effect of "Now, I know I'll be modded down for this..." always get modded up? Am I the only guy who noticed this, or did ChaoticCoyote know it too? And if he did know it, doesnt that mean that he does care about karma?
Secondly, "excellent" and "knowledge base" have never followed each other in a sentence that I have ever seen. The knowledge base SUCKS. Which leads me to another point: people in IT tend to believe what they're told and not think for themselves, which is what pisses off most linux advocates the most, because they wont even try anything non-MS, despite the PROVEN cost/work-done ratio.
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the DNS registrar inherently knows that the person that they sold foo.com to is the person they sold foo.com to. That doesn't mean they're certifying that it's really "The Foo Corporation, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, Washington DC, USA" (an issue that leads to trademark resolution court cases when "Joe Foo Widgets" says that foo.com is their trademark) - it just certifies that "the person who possesses this key can change the IP addresses that
In practice, that could work fine for new domain names, as long as the registrars want to start supporting SecureDNS for their domains, but there's more trouble in setting the keys for existing domain names. Some domain names use PGP keys to control changes to their DNS data, and those PGP keys could be used to certify any submitted keys. Some domain names use the previous traditional method for controlling DNS information "accept any syntactically correct request to change the IP address and user data, even if that allows anybody in the world to hijack the domain." You could either retain the same mechanism (:-), or use that mechanism to bootstrap setting an initial SecureDNS key, and using that key to certify future change requests, or pick some hybrid mechanism like "generate the keys and email them to the registered contact address, if it exists".
We'll probably see Secure DNS from smaller, more flexible TLDs like
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www.theregister.co.uk reports that MS's DNS is back up. (Of course, if it had been backed up better, it would have been back up much sooner :-)
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really. Is there anyone who DOESN'T have a login to this? I always laugh when I see Microsoft stuff on a pirate site.. why? Go download it!
Also, msdn.microsoft.com works just fine, btw...
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The Good Taco's rant seems to me why a lot of folks now a days have preconceived notions about Linux and it's users. It's a sort of elitism of "I'm so cool that bagging on M$ and saying how rarely I visit their site makes me a better person." While I agree that a DNS failure isn't really news, Taco's little rant just reinforces stereotypes about the blind, pointless "I'm better than you" attitudes many people hold about their freakin' computer operating system. Calm down dude. It's software. We know you don't go to their site. We know you're better than that. We know, we know.
Flamebait? Probably. Do as you will.
The Good Reverend
And indeed probably these are on two subnets, judging from the addresses.
What I guess I was trying to point out is that if I were the size of Microsoft I'd have them much more distributed, on different ISPs in different class C's.
Mind you, MS do a lot of interesting stuff behind the scenes, so they may have more going on we don't know about - there's an informative whitepaper on their web site....ah.
~~~~~ BigLig2? You mean there's another one of me?
All four of the DNS addresses for microsoft.com and other microsoft domains are in the same Class-C range. If routing or connectivity for that one IP subnet is disrupted, those names stop resolving.
This goes against everything recommended in RFC2182.
Yes, this is a common mistake, but one of the first rules you learn when becoming a DNS admin is to have diversity in your name servers. Spread them across multiple hosts, on different networks, in physically separate datacenters.
Apparently Microsoft had to learn this the hard way.
To stop our users from complaining about the long lookup timeout on MICROSOFT,COM, MSN.COM, MSFT.NET and various other sites, I aliased those domains in our name servers to return immediately with 'no A records available'.
It's a shame management will insist that I take out those aliases tomorrow morning.
I do not deploy Linux. Ever.
Well, I've modified my window manager (IceWM) to include a list of all the open windows when using alt-tab instead of just one, and a handful of the GNU command-line programs in one way or another. I'm also working on adding keyboard hotkey support to licq.
The point isn't that *I* necessarily need to be able to modify the source, the point is that if the source is open, *anyone can fix a bug and submit a patch*. No more waiting 6 months for Microsoft to release a service patch that MAY OR MAY NOT include your bug fix.
Granted they are SLOWLY getting better about this, but if you're using NT 4 now, you're fucked, because MS is not releasing any more patches for NT 4, so if something's broken, it's going to be broken forever.
Just because *you* don't have the time to worry about any of the code in your underlying programs (OS, window manager, etc.) doesn't mean that it's not a good thing it's available!
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
I must say that I contribute to the IE stats, but in my own defense, my company makes me use it; but I take a shower when I get home from work. ;-)
âoeIn theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not." â Albert Einstein
I like to go there at least once or twice a day so their server can log one more Linux user.
âoeIn theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not." â Albert Einstein
Agh!...If lose the items on my corpse on HG, I will be quite pissed. BTW, AC servers were taken off line for a bug hotfix. And, like 8hrs. later when they were finally put back up, right then MS's DNS dies!...egh!
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Coming from an environment where we use Microsoft product across the board (basically because it is free), I find Microsoft's sites quite useful. WindwsUpdate is good fro security patches and Service Packs; the Knowledge Base, although hard to search through, is quite extensive; and there are countless other areas of great use to the MS Enterprise administrators of the world, like Technet, and MSDN. So people like myself would definitely notice if their site was down, and be in a world of hurt if it was permanent.
2+2=5 for extremely large values of 2
Linux rocks.
solves the problems of the user with insightful advice (did you reboot your computer today?.
You just proved my point -- and contradicted yourself -- quite nicely.
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hotmail.com's ip address is 64.4.11.7. I think the problem is that hotmail.com is actually down. I could ping them and resolve the IP address, but I cannot get a response from the site. So try it yourself I guess -> 64.4.11.7
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This is why I just memorize the IP numbers (in 32-bit hexadecimal format, of course...what's up with all those dots anyhow?) of all the sites I ever go to, and avoid any reliance on DNS at all.
Like Tetris? Like drugs? Ever try combining them?
Will I retire or break 10K?
The closest thing to a home directory in Win32 would be the user profile directory (see the USERPROFILE environment variable). I've used this to substitute for $HOME when porting Unix programs to Win32 (don't ask, I might puke again).
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#include obvious MS joke here
But seriously, what's the big deal? Do you really find this so amusing, and sit there snickering to yourself? What if the DNS boxes are actually the rumoured Unix boxes the MS uses? Is it less funny then?
I thought so..
it's spelled "their". maybe we should have a slashdot article "Slashdot makes a grammatical error".
ok then your [sic] infringing on my copyright! Could you as [sic] me next time before STEALING my comments for your own?
Ha ha! Microsoft's DNS is down! That never ever happens to anyone else. Those big jerks... they must suck because their DNS is down.
Come on guys... has this never happened to us?
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The above poser was talking about msdn.microsoft.com, which really is an excellent site, I use it even when I'm not doing microsoft-spesifc stuff (as a general C++ reference). And, as another poster mentioned, there is no such thing as "Option Pack 4" according to Microsoft, and that may be why you had trouble finding it on their page.
Finally, believing that you are qualified to comment on a website because you put a lot of fait in Jakob Nielsen is ludicrous. This is the man behind CDE for god sakes. And the father of the "click here for the next page" links on long stories online. Goddamn that is annoying
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"and dear god does this website suck now." -- CmdrTaco
You're system may have cashed the DNS names.
Amber Yuan 2k A.D
"and dear god does this website suck now." -- CmdrTaco
Sorry, my bad, I was never good with the more eccentric rules of English.
Everybody is singular? What's the plural form? Everybodies?
Mike
"I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer."
Thanks! That's really cool, Google is the shit. :)
Mike
"I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer."
Why? Because, unfortunately, the average user cannot click on anything, they don't know where the Start button is, they don't know what a checkbox is. Ever read userfriendly? Do you have any idea how TRUE some of those tech support calls? I used to do some tech support, and I've taken quite a few calls that are unbelievable.
I try to make the installation require as LITTLE user interaction as possible. The more automated the setup process is, the better. It leads to less call volume.
If you call us up and you need just a phone number or the DNS server IPs or the mail server hostname, we'll gladly give it to you. We don't force you to take a cd with the software on it, but we HAVE to have it because of the people that have no idea how to use a computer.
Mike
"I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer."
You could probably get around hacking some high level stuff with a reasonable expectation of non-bsoding, but thats not what im talking about :)
And they still havent fixed the problem of window management being crappy. Its a pain to minmize windows with modal dialog boxes up. The only option is the "show desktop" command- which minimizes everything and sometimes causes programs to freeze up- which causes the os to freeze up. And there is still no decent multiple desktop option that comes with the OS. This is an area where windows lags behind unices.
And as a server OS, well its riddled with problems. Its still a moot option to run your database and webserver and DNS server from the same machine.
As a desktop OS- you said it. You still have to do an astonishing number of reboots to do the simplest things- like installing software. And if you forget to become administrator- most software will still install without warning but will be flaky when you try to run it. It still has suspect utility as a multi-user desktop- because any user can mess things up for any other user. Also, there is no good paradigm equivalent to the home directory. Each application has a different and conflicting idea where a user should keep his files- which leads to clusterfuck for the unwary. 20 days uptime sounds reasonable- assuming you dont do any heavy development. (My linux box at home only goes down for kernel upgrades.)
I wouldnt say that *nix users are biased againt Microsoft. They are merely expressing common sense in a world driven my marketroids and mob opinion.
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Why does Commander Taco constantly put down Microsoft? Ok, does Windows 2000 REALLY suck that bad? Granted, it is a bit overrated and I use Linux for development for most of the time, but c'mon guys, Windows has its place in the computing community. For one, it is easy to use, there's plenty of sfotware available for it, and it's plug and play pretty much with everything (unlike Linux which I had to spent 3 hours trying to figure out how to install Quake). I just don't want to install Linux for my dad and have to take time to explain him how to use it (the guy has trouble programming his VCR, ok?)
But yes, Linux is better for servers and it also makes a better development environment. But Commander Taco has trouble realizing that not EVERYONE is a developer. Most people jsut want to get on the 'net and type a word processing document or two.
That guy annoys me sometimes.
-Steve
But how many of those are people who browse the internet at work due to NT being imposed from above, like me. I only use Windows for DVD playing and viewing QT clips at home.
It's all part of the my toy's better than yours mentality. Microsoft does have the slight advantage of a huge PR budget to be snidey with - see the recent Linux mutant ad in Germany or the Linux Myths webpage, a great deal of snide and outright lies.
On another note I go to microsoft.com all the time in fact (though usually msdn.microsoft.com). Excellent site. In fact I believe it's among the top 3 most visited sites on the planet, so to proclaim it not to matter seems rather goofy.
Oh my god. You must be kidding. "Excellent site"? Whatever you think about Microsoft (I actually like Win2K) their website has to be among the worst on the planet. It's impossible to find anything on there. I have never seen such a poorly-organized site. And the interface changes all the time. They move stuff around just for the hell of it, apparently, because they move stuff around and it doesn't seem any more organized than it was before. I'm a professional web page designer who spends a lot of time studying UI's and I put a lot of faith in Jakob Neilsen, so hopefully I'm at least somewhat qualified to say this.
Case in point: last week I needed to D/L "Option Pack 4" for WinNT. Not to be confused with ServicePack 4. I searched their site for about 20 minutes and could not find it. When I went to their downloads area and searched for it, the search results were so meaningless as to render them useless. The #1 search result was "Service Pack 4, Simplified Chinese Edition". I kid you not. Out of the first 50 search results for "Option Pack 4", not ONE of them was actually option Pack 4. So I went to www.download.com and found it on the first try, and it was the ONLY search result when I searched for "Option Pack 4".
I wrote Microsoft and told them about this. Their response? One week later they apologized for the inconvenience and sent me a link to download Service Pack 4. Service Pack 4. Not Option Pack 4, which is what I was looking for and what I wrote them about, but Service Pack 4. Sigh. I guess their reading comprehension is about as good as their interface design. Pathetic!
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99.999% uptime ?
:)
For a single server that equates to about 300 seconds of downtime assuming you've been running constantly since Win2K was released.
Since you made this easily we can assume that you've had a maximum of 1 or maybe 2 reboots in the whole time you've had your server.
Guess you don't install many security patches / service packs then
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. (Einstein)
In case you haven't noticed, Microsoft IS the largest software company with the largest user base, 3rd-party software library, and makes tools used by more developers than any other company. YES WE ACTUALLY VISIT MICROSOFT.COM.
Anti-Microsoft bigotry is cute up to a point. You're way past that point.
Can we get a "-1 Wrong" moderation option?
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I'm particularly impatient this week, 'cause I just finished reading The Turner Diaries, a book that takes this argument to the ultimate extreme.
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Not quite. To be a Linux wonk, you have to be a Linux advocate. That means you have to deal with people who insist that NT is the "standard" technology, that NT is "more powerful" than Linux, etc., etc.
So you better educate yourself about NT. Most of microsoft.com's woes stem from the use of NT-based servers. These are hyper-complex, kludgy, inefficient, insecure systems. They do have lots of whiz-bang features, but these features are poorly integrated and abysmally documented. So in microsoft.com, servers break, database engines go psychotic, access slows to a crawl.
Linux will prosper only as NT screws up. This is where you want to go today.
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While I prefer the content of FOX News; MSNBC is better organized and has more material than most of the other major news sites. When you consider their content sharing with the Washington Post, Newsweek, The Wall Street Journal, and Space.com (just to name a few), they are one of the top information sites on the web. I'm no MS fan, but when a site like this is down along with the others that have been listed, it's a big story.
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I wonder if any of them mention a DNS DoS attack?
"(Well, I guess if you run windows you gotta get your service packs every few minutes ;)" I do apt-get dist-upgrade every couple of days, which is much more often than service packs come out. But then again I do run testing and the Helixcode (Ximian) stuff and when I ran stable I only got stuff every couple of weeks. On second thought maybe it was not unfair. :)
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I admit, he was trolling in his comment by asking if anyone actually visits microsoft.com. But, I think he was also being completely honest when he said it's the "least interesting story in months." For him, this is probably true. Remember, interest depends on the individual, just because you find something interesting doesn't mean CmdrTaco does (or should for that matter). And other than the troll comments about others visiting microsoft.com and the service packs every few minutes, he was just telling his personal usage of microsoft.com. So to him, it's not important.
On a side note, notice that he did post it anyway, even though he didn't find it interesting. And he did it because enough readers considered it to be important. So I'm not exactly sure what you're all criticizing.
CmdrTaco being lame enough to shoot this down... or softies keep posting it. So they lost their DNS for a few hours. Big fat hairy deal.
- I don't care if they globalize against free speech. All my best free thoughts are done in my head.
Um, DUH. If Slashdot is down, how will anyone get to Slashdot to submit the story about Slashdot being down? And who will read it?
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Umm, last time I checked, Fortune One was General Motors, not Microsoft. It looks like Wal-Mart may overtake GM in 2001... but Microsoft is down at number 84.
Not to take away from your comment - I do think the headline was flamebait and an obvious troll (just look at the comment id - it worked!) but MS isn't that huge.
sulli
RTFJ.
What about dns1, dns2, dns3, and possibly dns(x>8) ?
I suppose they might existor why would their names start from 4 ?
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Instead of the regular Linux/Microsoft wars, or commenting on CmdrTaco's extreme editorial stance (if two thousand people are submitting it, then how can you say it isn't news?), how about some useful info?
If you have the IP addresses for these sites, you can still reach them.
That being said, anyone have the IP address for msn.zone.com? I'm having Bejeweled withdrawl!!!
This is a bit of an inside joke, but a very funny one. If you are on the outside, check this out.
And if so, what kind of standards would allow a 250 million gallon coal sludge spill in Martin County, KY (Oct 11, 2000) be blacked out from the media? This is at least an order of magnitude greater than the Exxon Valdez spill in Alaska, and the clean-up is significantly more difficult because the sludge sinks to the bottom of the streams and rivers. (It can't be skimmed off the top.)
What about the Election 2000 fiasco with the major networks calling FL before the people in CA had finished voting?
How about the absence of news regarding civilian conditions in Iraq? If you think the NATO vets are suffering from a bad case of Gulf War Syndrome, think about the people that were continuosly bombed with depleted (though still radioactive) Uranium munitions.)
On the brighter side, the internet at least allows people to search and find alternative views on most events. John Q. Public doesn't have to swallow the official media stance on any issue anymore.
We need to wake up.
peace
Your DNS probably has the others cached... They most assuredly are down.
Ranessin
Obviously you forget about that little hacking incident a while back where microsoft source was gained. Those poor devels, died of laughter before the CIA got there :(
http://207.46.230.218/
-atrowe: Card-carrying Mensa member. I have no toleranse for stupidity.
Still, when it comes down to it, messages like this do nothing except let you give off a little steam. It's sad to realize it, but they don't care, and given that the way we react to these offenses, it's almost surprising that we expect them to care in the first place.
All Slashdot has to do is generate ad revenue. That's it. It's nice to dream that a site that calls itself "news for nerds" would exhibit some degree of journalistic professionalism, but the users don't really demand it, so who cares? Sure, we may post messages complaining about how much it sucks, but I'll be back tomorrow, and I'm pretty sure you will be, too.
We put up with a lot. Look in any discussion and you'll find references to very interesting stories that don't make the Slashdot cut while the same tired stories are posted again and again. Recently, the Slashdot editors proved that they don't even check the links of submitted stories. Today, as someone else in this thread pointed out, CmdrTaco mocked the interests of the readers by saying, in a nutshell, "thousands of our readers are going to submit this story. How stupid our readers are."
Will the Slashdot powers-that-be change anything because of these messages? Of course not. But I'd wager that they are reading this thread, and probably enjoying it, since this front story post was so obviously an absolute troll.
First, the "holy war" stance is adopted by someone who lists their Web site as "www.ihateapple.com"? Pardon me for saying this, but, "Pot, meet kettle."
Does Taco want /. to be print media? I doubt it. That means a lot of things, and I think Taco doesn't want to meet those "standards", if you call them that. I know that I don't consider TOTK.com Sports, which I run, or NASA Watch, which I really enjoy reading, to be "print media", but it doesn't hurt either in my opinion.
But the best thing is that Taco's comments made me read this blurb, and in reading it, I've come to realize more clearly the problems with DNS. That's enough for me.
We're not all mindless Taco ditto-heads, ya know.
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I don't know what you are talking about. I learned as part of my MCSE training that the subnet mask is 255.255.255.0 :)
I think a lot of that results from people who are used to NT4 and having to reboot regularly.... or crappily written components being run in-process instead of pooled or out-of-process.
Personally, our one current Windows 2000 server has had 99.999% uptime easily. We are getting ready to deploy it to our webserver, so we'll see how it goes.
We are also deploying it to our whole enterprise to replace Netware 4.11; we looked at Linux, but it doesn't have a real enterprise directory service or the type of ACL control that we need. Running NDS for Linux wasn't an option, because we wanted to get the bastardized crappy Novell client off our workstations.
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This website never ceases to amaze me. For those of us that actually have jobs, you rapidly find out that companies rarely choose the best product for the job. If your boss says "Let's get Microsoft because it is the company standard", or "Let's go MS cause I like the rolling stones and MS used their song in a commercial" you don't have much of a choice.
I am sure that the argument to this is "I would never work at a place that wouldn't run everything opensource and let me run anything I want on the network where I have total and absoulte control, and when it all blows up I just blame the other guy". Well, in the real world, thing's don't work that way. I get a paycheck, and my job involves several windows-based products. The fact that the people here consider the vastly dominant (market-wise) operating system to be irrelivant is always amusing.
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Luckily Taco only made fun of Microsoft's pages and products and not the fact that their DNS was down. Because I was unable to get to /. from about 2:00 on yesterday afternoon--no DNS entries.
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"Are other users experiencing this?"
/. goes down for equal treatment."
Yes. Every few weeks I'll have a little downtime. Yesterday was the worst in several months, though.
"Think Taco should do a front page post everytime
He used to. Back when he still cared about readers (and when he was a reader himself). Now Slashdot is just a "revenue stream" or "eyeball attractor" or whatever the current catch-phrase is.
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I guess Microsoft should have implemented the clustering feature available for Windows 2000 Advanced Server. Therefore they would be almost assured of 100% uptime.
(sarcasm off)
I thought with W2K advanced server, downtime was a thing of the past?
I want my rights back. I was actually using them when our government stole them after 9/11.
Well, I guess if you run windows you gotta get your service packs every few minutes
I just installed Mandrake 7.2. Their biggest claim to fame? The Windows-like OS update feature that grabs and installs the packages automatically. Having recently installed the latest version of Windows (Me) and Mandrake 7.2, I can tell you that there were more updates for Mandrake than Windows.
I will say that Mandrake is the closest thing I've seen yet for an end-user-desktop version of Linux. But, even ignoring the need most businesses have for Windows apps, Linux is still too hard for most users. There are 4 different icons to start various terminal windows and not a single one to start Samba. Instead of "notepad", there is a confusing array of text editors. (Digression: Pick one app of a given type for the "recommended" or "standard" installation. Let the experienced users hunt down add their own as they see fit.) Choosing what daemons should run at startup is hell for someone who is not a Unix guru. Many have no descriptions accessible during install and those descriptions that are provided are often cryptic. There is no consistency to the look & feel of most of the GUI apps. Apps are typically delivered from the web with no installation utility and cryptic (or no) instructions. And all too often, apps are command-line based things with an incomprehensible set of options one types to make them run. Can I get things to work? Sure, if I don't mind spending way too much time to do something that would, under Windows, be easy.
In closing, I use Linux and Microsoft (and BeOS and FreeBSD and Solaris). Each has its place, but Microsoft Windows is the OS that I use the most because of the wealth of software and level of productivity I get with it. YMMV.
I realize this is off-topic, going on a tangent, but I have to ask: how do you find Win2K to be stable? Two of my co-workers swear by it, but for me it blue-screens all the time, and on a relatively new machine. It's completely random. I can have the machine up for a month, then sitting in front of it one day, browsing the net, and poof. Some driver is probably failing, but that should never ever crash an OS, especially a server OS. It's even blue-screened while shutting down! I went back to Win98 on that pc and it's much more stable. No problems with their older OS which has had 5,000,000 patches put out over the years.
W2K is the least stable OS I've ever used. Point being, I can't trust an OS that was out for less than a month when it had to get a major "service pack" in order to function at all.
Developers: We can use your help.
He's not a reporter so he doesn't have to live up to any moral or ethical standard.
What's forcing "real" reporters from living up to any moral or ethical standards? Do they take an oath? Are they part of a religious faction? Everyone has to live up to moral and ethical standards within their own mind.
You don't have to come here if you don't like it.
And you don't have to read the news of "real" reporters either. It's silly to think they have some ethical obligation higher than anyone else.
Developers: We can use your help.
And I'm sure Microsoft would be happy to set up a linux router with SecureDNS. If they wait for it to be added to their server software they'll have this problem for at least a few more years...
Developers: We can use your help.
Who is being narrow minded now? Winblows is NOT always the right choice. Nor is it always the wrong choice. But as always - your milage may vary depending on what you do!
I used to work for a large North American telecom/network company (hint: the one that is still making money) THe CEO was looking to partner with Micro$oft and was forcing Microsoft onto a company whose R&D was almost exclusively Unix (Solaris and HPUX) THeir feeling was it had to be better because of market dominance, etc. I almost lost my job by putting together a presentation showing the costs of moving to an Exchange based email system was almost 10 times as expensive as going with a commercial Unix solution (they were deploying $80,000 Alpha RAID boxes for every 200 users or so and only running POP3, not IMAP) it was unreal.
As thousands of Unix workstations got swapped out for WIndows machines, our support costs SKYROCKETED (trust me - I managed x86 server & desktop support for one of their large R&D labs) We had rock solid Unix file and print servers. Yet when we deployed Dell Poweredge clusters running Win NT for file and print serving, it was a nightmare! The clusters locked up often, you couldn't swap nodes without hard booting the hung one which killed all sessions. It was a nightmare. Sure, Win2K is better - I agree. But, at the time it was awful. It got so bad we were ready to plunk down SERIOUS money for our mega Unix file servers to add SMB.
Any IT Director worth his or her salt goes with teh solution that WORKS reliably and also is cost effective because all IT employees know IT is looked at as a necessary evil. That gives OSS an advantage, but only if its reliable. Contrary to popular belief you CAN integrate Unix & Windoze boxes if necessary. The world ain't B/W!!
But that said, I'll deploy an stable OSS solution over Micro$oft anyday! :)
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Are other users experiencing this? Think Taco should do a front page post everytime /. goes down for equal treatment
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... just slashdotted ;-)
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I do have to access Microsoft's web site as part of my work responsibilities. Although I don't personally like many things M$ does, I can put up with them as with any other vendor. The thing that really annoys me, though, is that searching M$'s tech support sites will produce different results when using IE than when using Netscape Navigator (IE results being more complete, natch).
That doesn't surprise me, and I guess it isn't really worse than any trick organizations play to gain competitive advantage, but it does irritate me a lot for some reason.
sPh
And all the swedish online papers have small articles, complete with rumors of hackers having brought the DNS down and replies from Microsoft representatives saying that they "have no information about that, just that the DNS is to blame".
Altough some of us occasionally degrade ourselves by Microsoft-bashing, I don't think that anybody in the computer industry could close their eyes to the fact that if microsoft.com and hotmail.com are wiped from the face of the net, its big news.
And we don't even have to tell people that evil Linux-activists brought it down or that Microsoft has incompetent staff, or that the moon is in the phase where these things happen, we could just plainly say that Microsoft's DNS is down, and that it has some significance in the world of today.
There's nothing like flaming a grammar flame for grammar.
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You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
This has NOTHING to do with the DNS problem.
Anyone can register a server with multiple sub-domains (such as the ones criticizing M$).
You could register a server called microsoft.sucks.slashdot.org and that has nothing to do with Microsoft.com.
The only part that matters is the last two parts.... i.e. slashdot.org.
So why is that post informative? It's idiotic.
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So far I've only heard about DoS attacks on websites and IRC servers. Could this be the beginning of a script kiddie actually using that grey blob of his a bit more then is reasonable?
This is why I just memorize the IP numbers (in 32-bit hexadecimal format, of course...what's up with all those dots anyhow?) of all the sites I ever go to, and avoid any reliance on DNS at all. It also makes thinking of hostnames for my new boxes a lot less complicated...just name them box3C if its last 8 bits are 3C, for example. Why should anything be any more complicated than that?
Why would you put all of your domain servers in the same subnet? Same state for that matter.
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I haven't been able to access hotmail for the last 11 hours. That's by far the longest outage I've seen in my 3 years of using it, checking it several times a day. I've never seen it down for more than a couple of hours. THIS IS A STORY, GUYS. There are MILLIONS of us Hotmail users.
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You know...some of us actually have to give a damn about microsoft. I am employeed as an NT admin at a small software company. I need patches and the like today from said site. Just because most of the readers like to bash Microsoft, and/or use Linux personally (myself included), doesn't mean that it's not a topic of importance to the computer-using world. Don't let your personal dislike or bias interfere with important converage of an article of news!
Always value the individual over the system. --Bruce Lee "I don't need a Sig - I have a custom 191" - me
The only reason their site is down is because of engineering incompetence on the first order.
Never ever ever put all of your nameservers on one network segment! How stupid could you be, Microsoft?
What's wrong with this picture?!
DNS4.CP.MSFT.NET. 207.46.138.11DNS5.CP.MSFT.NET. 207.46.138.12
DNS7.CP.MSFT.NET. 207.46.138.21
DNS6.CP.MSFT.NET. 207.46.138.20
SecureDNS (available in bind 9) allows you to sign your zone, so this kind of DNS cache poisoning can not happen.
1. This wasn't DNS cache poisoning. The nameservers just weren't reachable.
2. DNS cache poisoning is easily solved: just use good resolvers that don't automatically trust all answers. Try dnscache, and the mydomain.com incident wouldn't have affected you.
and of course Slashdot is the pinnacle of reliability. Wasn't there just an outage yesterday?
BilldaCat
This affects all Microsoft sites. Because of this I can't:
Yeah, it's a good thing Windows 2000 is also available free of charge, and that if there's something I don't like about it, I have the source code to W2K so I can change whatever I want!
Hey, wait a minute...
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
Yes, believe it or not, some people actually have paying jobs that require the use of commercial software which often involves visiting the vendors' websites. In case you've been living under a rock since the 70's, Microsoft is a major software vendor with products installed in a majority of companies worldwide. Is it really so strange to think that people might find it significant when Microsoft's sites become unavailable?
Even your stats indicate that MORE than half of your viewers use Internet Explorer!
The biggest software company, one that prides itself on supposedly "enterprise level" server software has it's DNS down. It dosn't matter if you don't like them or not, many people visit them daily!
I visit them in order to obtain the latest patches for my clients, and to find out if the problem I'm fixing is one that MS is aware of.
I've kept out of it so far, but jeez Taco, don't you think you should try to REDUCE the trolling in your forums?
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Yes they did, and Herbert Kornfeld is on his way over in the Nite Rida right now. Now they really got problems.
Hopefully I didn't put any [] around my words.
Did they forget to pay their bill again?
The authorative DNS servers (do a whois -h whois.networksolutions.com microsoft.com to find them out) don't know the hostnames so they cannot be looked up.
Also Hotmail and MSN suffer from this.
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Taco, get your head out of your ass. Microsoft is a major player in this industry. You're a journalist. Go figure.
I didn't pay for my operating system either
SecureDNS (available in bind 9) allows you to sign your zone, so this kind of DNS cache poisoning can not happen. Lets roll it out and use it sooner rather than later.
(b) you're going to have to learn about journalistic standards. If you expect to be taken seriously, you can't write like that - you can't show such prejudice, and you can't show such a casual dismissal of America's biggest company.
On this point, there's something even more important to point out. Taco pretty much slammed his own readers for posting this supposedly insignificant story... when the very fact that he received a bazillion submissions on this shows that they do indeed read this site and that it is important for many of those who submitted the story.
Journalists who insult their own readers don't have readers for very long.
woof!
> set type=soa
> microsoft.com
Server: localhost
Address: 127.0.0.1
Non-authoritative answer:
microsoft.com
primary name server = dns.cp.msft.net
responsible mail addr = msnhst.microsoft.com
serial = 2001012306
refresh = 900 (15 mins)
retry = 600 (10 mins)
expire = 7200000 (83 days 8 hours)
default TTL = 7200 (2 hours)
microsoft.com nameserver = DNS7.cp.msft.net
microsoft.com nameserver = DNS6.cp.msft.net
microsoft.com nameserver = DNS4.cp.msft.net
microsoft.com nameserver = DNS5.cp.msft.net
DNS7.cp.msft.net internet address = 207.46.138.21
DNS6.cp.msft.net internet address = 207.46.138.20
DNS4.cp.msft.net internet address = 207.46.138.11
DNS5.cp.msft.net internet address = 207.46.138.12
> server dns7.cp.msft.net
Default Server: dns7.cp.msft.net
Address: 207.46.138.21
> set type=a
> www.microsoft.com
Server: dns7.cp.msft.net
Address: 207.46.138.21
DNS request timed out.
timeout was 2 seconds.
DNS request timed out.
timeout was 2 seconds.
*** Request to dns7.cp.msft.net timed-out
> server dns6.cp.msft.net
DNS request timed out.
timeout was 2 seconds.
DNS request timed out.
timeout was 2 seconds.
*** Can't find address for server dns6.cp.msft.net: Timed out
> server dns4.cp.msft.net
DNS request timed out.
timeout was 2 seconds.
DNS request timed out.
timeout was 2 seconds.
*** Can't find address for server dns4.cp.msft.net: Timed out
> server dns5.cp.msft.net
DNS request timed out.
timeout was 2 seconds.
DNS request timed out.
timeout was 2 seconds.
*** Can't find address for server dns5.cp.msft.net: Timed out
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The sad thing is, the way DNS info is cached, is that it takes a fairly long outage for anyone to even notice.
Anyway, the above says: dns4,5,6 and 7
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Are any of you network admins? What was your worst day on the job? Probably, it was a day when things really didn't go well after an upgrade or equipment change. You probably had people coming in to the equipment room every five minutes to ask two things: 1) do you need any help? and 2) when will it be fixed? You got sick of both questions, because you were stressed out enough already.
This is part of the Internet, though: we forget that real people do work for Microsoft. We forget that MS isn't just an evil force, but has people who have emotions working for it. It is an irony that people on Slashdot - technically literate people - who claim that email is an equalizer (no respector of race, disabilities, age, etc) - these same peple forget about the human faces behind a large website.
I wouldn't want to be in those network admin's shoes right now. I've had DNS outages, and I know what it is like to have corporate headquarters yelling, "Why aren't we up?"
So, before you criticize how "dumb" their admins are, and whatever else, remember two things: 1) This same problem (DNS outage) has happened to any real admin on Slashdot, and 2) the MS network admins are having a very bad day.
Believe it or not, there are some of us that actually don't spend the entire day bashing Microsoft and boasting that we don't go to their website. Do you think we care if you haven't been there in months? Do you believe that the entire slashdot community is together in your anti-Microsoft holy war? I'm no Microsoft fan, but there are those of us that actually rely on Microsoft. Like it or not, Microsoft IS an important part of the industry. Do you have any idea where we'd be without Microsoft?
I myself probably visit microsoft.com at least once every day or so. Their Knowledge Base is a great place to find out loads of information on just about any product they make. MSDN Online is a great resource for developers!
I'm a sysad for an ISP. Most all of our users use Windows (we've got a few Mac users, a few Win3.1 users, and a few Linux users). I wrote our installation software in VC. I actually was going to write a utility today that uninstalls DUN, all of the Network components, and deleted all of the network-related files, and then forced a reinstallation from CD. To do this, I was going to refer to KB article Q181599, which details all of the network-related files to remove and which cab files to find them in to put them back. And now I can't do that because microsoft's site (one of the most reliable sites I've ever frequented, I might add) is down.
And all you have to do is sit over there and say "do you people actually visit microsoft.com?" like it's some sort of unholy act to go there.
I knew there was a reason I stopped going to slashdot recently. I actually hit the wrong button on my IE (yup, i'm using Win98!) Links bar and caught the "Microsoft DNS is down" line, so I thought I'd read it, but all I got was disgusted.
Mike
P.S. The correct phrase is "everybody and their brother."
"I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer."
Basically, it appears as if the entire subnet the Microsoft DNS servers were hosted on has just 'disappeared' making microsoft.com, msn.com, hotmail.com, passport.com et al unavailable. Sites hosted on other domains (such as microsoft.co.uk are still available). Direct IP addresses are stated in the article if you _have_ to visit Microsoft.com
Microsoft and Yahoo were suffering DNS problems earlier this week as well, and microsoft new zealand was recently hacked.
Beebware.com also has a list of consumer information on Microsoft, MS Humor as well as many other categories about 'that' software company.
Richy C.
Maybe M$ was running Java-based DNS servers, and their settlement with Sun forced them to take them offline..
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This IS his forum. I don't remember reading anything that says he HAS to be fair and impartial. Yes he claims this is a "News for Nerds" site. But this isn't a REAL(tm) news site. He's not a reporter so he doesn't have to live up to any moral or ethical standard. You don't have to come here if you don't like it.
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I now expect to lose Karma for criticizing Slashdot. Of course, if I cared about Karma, I wouldn't post this response... :)
I run and program both Linux and Win2K; Windows 2000 is quite stable--as many others have pointed out in past postings. My Win2K system runs continuously for weeks at a time, without glitch or problem, despite my use of games and unusual hardware. It might surpise CmdrTaco to know that quite a few "nerds" think that Windows matters.
I find many reasons to visit Microsoft's web site: to pick up development kits, to read articles, and for the excellent knowledge base that Linux can only dream of emulating. Win2K has bugs, but so does Linux. I suggest Slashdot spend less time making snide comment about MS, and work on fixing the leaks in its own ship of state. Linux ain't perfect, ya know.
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Just this sort of thing happened the other day where an ISP released DNS entries for yahoo.com, and some other sites, uh...accidentally. The problem is that people don't talk to the authoratative DNS servers : They just trust anyone. This is leading to all sorts of shit and I'm sure after the ruckous about that guy overriding commercial sites DNS entries some script kiddies got some ideas. THIS CAN HAPPEN TO ANY SITE, INCLUDING SLASHDOT. To think this isn't news is just bizarre. It isn't that MS' DNS server was hacked : Rather DNS is showing it's cracks and they are absolutely massive. What if someone redirected a banks page to a dupe that logged everyones login info? Of course theoretically SSL ties a site to an IP, but most people ignore little warnings like that.
On another note I go to microsoft.com all the time in fact (though usually msdn.microsoft.com). Excellent site. In fact I believe it's among the top 3 most visited sites on the planet, so to proclaim it not to matter seems rather goofy.
If you want Slashdot to be taken as seriously as print media, you are going to have to drop the "holy war" stance. Microsoft plays a very important part in the computing industry, and they have the 3rd largest website in the world.
/. staff that they only use Linux to spite Microsoft. I say use what works best for you.
Perhaps even more important is the fact that if some fool can corrupt DNS and take Yahoo and Microsoft offline, they can take anybody offline. The DNS system needs to be fixed, but with your snide comments about Microsoft the focus of that issue is lost.
I might add that I do in fact use Windows 2000 because it is stable (2 BSODs since Dec. 1999) and supports everything I need. Many people that use Linux do so because it fits their specific needs, and that's great. But I get the feeling from some of the
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I don't normally respond to illiterate flamebait, but in this case I'll make an exception:
;)
> Everybody and there brother
I'll just pick this up before someone else does.
'There'!= 'their', the possessive pronoun Taco is looking for.
> has submitted what has to be the least interesting story in months. Microsoft's DNS server is down.
Ok fine. End of story. No need for irrelevant flamebait designed to get thousands of posts about how Windows/Linux sucks.
Let's address the news: MS' dns is down.
Ok wow. Have you been to uptime.netcraft.com? I think you'll find *all* servers go down, especially ones under the consistently heavy load of ddos, millions of hits a day, etc like MS. Redhat goes down, MS goes down, big wow. Every big site goes down more often than a presedential intern on heat. Ok. [It's just that people don't gloat when Linux companies go down, probably because they aren't successful like MS so people aren't jealous of their success.]
> I haven't visited their web site in months and I don't care in the slightest, but if I don't post this, I'm going to spend the next 48 hours deleting 2,000 submissions about it as zillions of people somehow think that this matters.
It does to the millions of daily visitors, yes.
> Yup. Its down. Ye haw. Do you people actually visit microsoft.com?
It's actually in the top 10 of most visited websites in the world. It has free software, updates, one of the best developers' sites anywhere, etc..
> I can't remember the last time I intentionally went to that site. There's just no need.
You might as well say you have no need to upgrade Slashcode when that gets holes in it. If you use Windows there is a need, because all software is insecure and Windows is no exception. It's no different with Linux. It's not just that either. Microsoft's website has a whole bunch of other interesting and free stuff there too. In fact, Microsoft's site became, in about 1997 (I remember reading) the largest website in the world, with several terabytes of content. So yes, there is a need.
If you actually took your blinkers off you might realize that - I don't just crap about Linux like you seem to about Windows. I haven't got an irrational fear/jealousy about Linux.
Hell I use linux. I install and maintain it as a web server. And I don't say that no-one needs to visit redhat.com, even though it's clearly not as good a site.
> (Well, I guess if you run windows you gotta get your service packs every few minutes
Nice casual aside there, guaranteed to pick up a few hundred replies. Nice one. But it's not true.
There is *one* service pack for Windows 2000 since release.
Let's look at the Linux equivalent shall we?
Have you ever tried installing Redhat?
I have, and I spent 3 hours downloading things from http://updates.redhat.com and upgrading them.
This stuff about Windows needing service packs often is bull. Linux has far more service packs, because Microsft updates things all at once whereas with Linux you have to update individually.
Hell my grandmother could install a Windows service pack, but I can't see her upgrading bind when a security hole's found in that.
I don't mean to respond in such flameish terms, but I had no choice in this case. In one breath you say the story sucks, and then you throw in some highly childish and unprofessional insults against a site which represents a considerable portion of many people's lives.
We keep hearing from you how Slashdot is becoming the newspaper for the new millennium, how people are taking notice of it, and how it ranks alongside traditional media, but if you expect the kind of respect this implies, you are going to:
(a) learn how to spell. I'm not normally a spelling flamer (i.e. not for posters), but how can you expect people to take the site seriously when you can't even be bothered to read the post twice or put it through a spellchecker to find that 'its' is a possessive pronoun, whereas 'it's' is the contraction of 'it is' you where looking for.
(b) you're going to have to learn about journalistic standards. If you expect to be taken seriously, you can't write like that - you can't show such prejudice, and you can't show such a casual dismissal of America's biggest company.
You're not just a Perl hacker sitting around eating pizza and drinking Mountain Dew any more Rob - you're responsible for an important and valuable institution, and it's time you behaved like it.