That's not exactly true. Getting marked down once isn't going to automatically negate you as a moderator, it just means that you must have been marked up at least once to balance it out.
Well, even if a less restrictive license were to draw more people into the movement, I think it would at the same time decrease the inherent value of the movement. I'd rather keep the ideals, and let everybody else come around in their own sweet time. Forget Open Source software. Long live FREE software!
Even with all of the new moderators, you can hardly expect a post to get rated to it's deserved level instantly after being posted. As previously mentioned, AC posts default to 0, and if you want to use filtering, you just have to accept that you have to wait for other people to decide what to score a post before you're going to get a look at it. I'm a -1 man myself.
Now that customizable Slashdot is here, maybe we'll see if the ability to filter by author is going to cut down on the people burning crosses on Katz's lawn (figuratively speaking...):)
By the way, Jon, you've got that problem again with the single quotes turning out as question marks, just in case it had escaped your notice.
I wonder what these people who say that people will keep flocking back to them are thinking. Seems to me, like people have been abandoning old forms of media for new ones for quite a while. Newspapers for radio, radio for television, etc... While nothing ever eliminates the old forms altogether, didn't television enormously cut into radio's popularity when all things were said and done?
And a large percentage of eligible people never vote in national elections, either. Whose fault is that?
The 80% (Or whatever the real figure is) that do not set their moderation levels, mostly do so because they don't care, and if they don't care what they see, why should I? If we set low default thresholds, effectively turning off moderation by default, we're just going to end up with all of these casual users all of a sudden seeing all of the FIRST POST!/THIS WAS POSTED LAST WEEK!/YOU SUCK!/LINUX SUX, MS RULEZ! posts, and we'll probably just end up seeing more noise as these people get annoyed and start flaming people. In theory, a low default threshold is nice, everybody sees everything, and only if they want it moderated do they set their preferences that way, but in practice, people that don't bother to change their thresholds (Not people who deliberately leave their tresholds alone because that's the way they want it.) don't want to make any decisions any more than people who can't be bothered to get up and vote, and if they won't do for themselves, then fine. Changing these people's default threshold to see everything would just screw up the s/n ratio more, because it would just invite more noise.
This is exactly the point. People whine and moan about their comments being deleted, but that's just it. They aren't deleted, they are just scored, and if you want to see everything, crank your threshold down. I use -10 myself, because I prefer to see everything and decide for myself, even if a lot of those negative posts are really annoying, but that's the beauty of the system: It's MY choice. The people who in the end get to decide what gets seen are the viewers themselves. Sometimes people may not see everything because they don't realize how the threshold system works, or are too lazy to change the settings, but everything that was said is available to be read by everybody, so the system of moderation here is not exactly censorship, because nobody is prevented from reading anything he/she wants as long as that person is willing to make the effort.
Well, I'm not a fan of the program either, but this is pretty much the one single most app I want to see on Linux. I switched to Linux exclusively on my work pc about a year ago, and the biggest headache I've had is interchange of documents with other people in the office. I'm using Applixware right now, and it's all right, but it's not exactly stellar in my opinion. For the longest time, I couldn't find ANY linux program that could handle the '97 formats, and I had to ask people to convert documents for me all the time. Now at least I can read them, but I still can only write to the '95 format. Office is ok, but the biggest issue is not how good of a program it is, but whether or not you can use it to communicate with everybody else in the office. A free software word processor and spreadsheet are great things, but will never be used by me until they can read/write the formats that everybody I have to work with use, because 95% of what I do with these programs is read documents people send me, not write my own documents. In this one area, free (speech not beer) matters a great deal less to me than compatibility.
If you read the article more closely and study the pictures, you will see that in addition to changing the jumpers, an entire chip was replaced as well.
The exploit I was thinking of was from this article. The Slashdot discussion after this seemed to suggest that however this particular exploit was done could be coded to run in userspace on a unix box, and would be nearly impossible to block through the kernel. This was just what several people seemed to say, though, and I am kind of hoping that somebody out there can provide a more definitive answer.
I'm having a hard time keeping track of this all. I read about that patch, but I also read that somebody had developed an exploit that allowed the ID to be turned back on without rebooting, and that this code could run from userspace, basically making it all but impossible to keep the ID turned off if a program really wanted to turn it on and knew how. I don't know much except what I've read. Can anybody out there with the hard facts enlighten us?
Although we have heard about this several times on Slashdot, the particular article that is being referenced to is new, and refers to their presence at LinuxWorld, and possibly has information that was not included in previous offerings. So, instead of thinking of it as a repeat, why not think of it as an update?
Thank goodness I have a cable modem, because if I had to put up with something like this, it would really suck. For those people who have available broadband access, but haven't jumped on board because of costs, this could make switching a whole lot more attractive.
You know, I used to be all for capitalism, but anymore it seems like everyday I get hit with one more illustration of why it's not a good idea. Not quite sure what could effectively replace it, but it apparently is NOT working for the benefit of the majority of us.
Unless I read something wrong, if those equations are correct, it is possible for a painting to be both popular and unpopular at the same time. It looks like it wasn't designed for a lot of people to hit it at once (as with/.), because as soon as 5 people mark a picture bad, it is unpopular, regardless of how many people have marked it good.
Was this poll not valid? Why do you people have such a hard time with this guy? Admittedly, some of the things he's posted have rubbed me the wrong way, but it's also true that some of what he has written has been very interesting. If you have such a problem with him, why do you waste time reading and replying to his articles? For you and the rest of the Katz haters, Slashdot can be virtually Katz free, just by you not clicking on his urls, but what you want, is not just for you not to have to read him anymore, but for nobody else who wants to read him to have that privilidge anymore. If you don't like him, don't read him. I really don't understand where the huge problem is.
I'm Bruce Perens. You may know me as the primary author of the Debian Free Software Guidelines and the Open Source Definition. I wrote the Electric Fence malloc() debugger, and some pieces of Debian. And you may remember me for having brought the TIGER map database to free software.
I'm Troy McClure. You may remember me from films such as: "Driving Mr. T", "Android Beach Party", "The President's Neck is Missing!", "Dial M for Murderousness", and "A Fish Taco Called Juanita" (with Cheech Marin!)
For the Simpsons deprived, Troy McClure was a recurring character played by Phil Hartman on the Simpsons.
I think I'd have an easier time liking this guy if he didn't constantly sumarize his achievements for us, and tell us how great he is. As it is, who really cares what Bruce is quitting this week?
I wonder if any types of removable mediums like zip disks or optical disks or something are durable enough for this kind of thing. Maybe the operating system could be in memory, and all of your data could be on removable disks. Then even if your disk did go bad, if you had a PC that could read the disks, you could write a new copy and slap it in. Probably all sorts of logistical reasons why this is a really bad idea, but it's a thought, anyway...
I think somebody ought to patent getting a patent. Then we can send cease and desist letters to everyone who holds a patent, saying that if they would like to hold their patents they will have to pay a licensing fee...:)
I had wrist surgery to remove a cyst which ran late and I missed it. Now I'm typing one handed for the next week, which is a royal pain in the ass. I wonder if I can find a keyboard mapping for one of those funky one-handed devorak layouts...:)
This sort of thing is an example of the commercial world creaping (sprinting) up on us here on the internet, and is highly relevant to the politics of the internet, even if in of itself it is only a minor example.
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That's not exactly true. Getting marked down once isn't going to automatically negate you as a moderator, it just means that you must have been marked up at least once to balance it out.
Well, even if a less restrictive license were to draw more people into the movement, I think it would at the same time decrease the inherent value of the movement. I'd rather keep the ideals, and let everybody else come around in their own sweet time. Forget Open Source software. Long live FREE software!
Shawn Asmussen
Definately April Fool's day. For those who had any doubt at all, User Friendly is now back up, and admitting to the whole prank on the static page.
Even with all of the new moderators, you can hardly expect a post to get rated to it's deserved level instantly after being posted. As previously mentioned, AC posts default to 0, and if you want to use filtering, you just have to accept that you have to wait for other people to decide what to score a post before you're going to get a look at it. I'm a -1 man myself.
Now that customizable Slashdot is here, maybe we'll see if the ability to filter by author is going to cut down on the people burning crosses on Katz's lawn (figuratively speaking...) :)
By the way, Jon, you've got that problem again with the single quotes turning out as question marks, just in case it had escaped your notice.
I wonder what these people who say that people will keep flocking back to them are thinking. Seems to me, like people have been abandoning old forms of media for new ones for quite a while. Newspapers for radio, radio for television, etc... While nothing ever eliminates the old forms altogether, didn't television enormously cut into radio's popularity when all things were said and done?
And a large percentage of eligible people never vote in national elections, either. Whose fault is that?
The 80% (Or whatever the real figure is) that do not set their moderation levels, mostly do so because they don't care, and if they don't care what they see, why should I? If we set low default thresholds, effectively turning off moderation by default, we're just going to end up with all of these casual users all of a sudden seeing all of the FIRST POST!/THIS WAS POSTED LAST WEEK!/YOU SUCK!/LINUX SUX, MS RULEZ! posts, and we'll probably just end up seeing more noise as these people get annoyed and start flaming people. In theory, a low default threshold is nice, everybody sees everything, and only if they want it moderated do they set their preferences that way, but in practice, people that don't bother to change their thresholds (Not people who deliberately leave their tresholds alone because that's the way they want it.) don't want to make any decisions any more than people who can't be bothered to get up and vote, and if they won't do for themselves, then fine. Changing these people's default threshold to see everything would just screw up the s/n ratio more, because it would just invite more noise.
This is exactly the point. People whine and moan about their comments being deleted, but that's just it. They aren't deleted, they are just scored, and if you want to see everything, crank your threshold down. I use -10 myself, because I prefer to see everything and decide for myself, even if a lot of those negative posts are really annoying, but that's the beauty of the system: It's MY choice. The people who in the end get to decide what gets seen are the viewers themselves. Sometimes people may not see everything because they don't realize how the threshold system works, or are too lazy to change the settings, but everything that was said is available to be read by everybody, so the system of moderation here is not exactly censorship, because nobody is prevented from reading anything he/she wants as long as that person is willing to make the effort.
If the money is going to local charities, does that mean that your Star Wars movie ticket is tax deductible? :)
Well, I'm not a fan of the program either, but this is pretty much the one single most app I want to see on Linux. I switched to Linux exclusively on my work pc about a year ago, and the biggest headache I've had is interchange of documents with other people in the office. I'm using Applixware right now, and it's all right, but it's not exactly stellar in my opinion. For the longest time, I couldn't find ANY linux program that could handle the '97 formats, and I had to ask people to convert documents for me all the time. Now at least I can read them, but I still can only write to the '95 format. Office is ok, but the biggest issue is not how good of a program it is, but whether or not you can use it to communicate with everybody else in the office. A free software word processor and spreadsheet are great things, but will never be used by me until they can read/write the formats that everybody I have to work with use, because 95% of what I do with these programs is read documents people send me, not write my own documents. In this one area, free (speech not beer) matters a great deal less to me than compatibility.
If you read the article more closely and study the pictures, you will see that in addition to changing the jumpers, an entire chip was replaced as well.
The exploit I was thinking of was from this article. The Slashdot discussion after this seemed to suggest that however this particular exploit was done could be coded to run in userspace on a unix box, and would be nearly impossible to block through the kernel. This was just what several people seemed to say, though, and I am kind of hoping that somebody out there can provide a more definitive answer.
I'm having a hard time keeping track of this all. I read about that patch, but I also read that somebody had developed an exploit that allowed the ID to be turned back on without rebooting, and that this code could run from userspace, basically making it all but impossible to keep the ID turned off if a program really wanted to turn it on and knew how. I don't know much except what I've read. Can anybody out there with the hard facts enlighten us?
Wow, this site either has incredible bandwidth, or just hasn't got /.'d yet. I'm getting 100+K/sec download rates. I love my cablemodem.
Although we have heard about this several times on Slashdot, the particular article that is being referenced to is new, and refers to their presence at LinuxWorld, and possibly has information that was not included in previous offerings. So, instead of thinking of it as a repeat, why not think of it as an update?
Heh... We could all pick the same s/n to emulate, sort of like logging in everywhere as cypherpunks...
:)
"Gee, Boss, this guy with s/n 1234567890 sure seems to be hitting our site pretty heavy!"
Thank goodness I have a cable modem, because if I had to put up with something like this, it would really suck. For those people who have available broadband access, but haven't jumped on board because of costs, this could make switching a whole lot more attractive.
You know, I used to be all for capitalism, but anymore it seems like everyday I get hit with one more illustration of why it's not a good idea. Not quite sure what could effectively replace it, but it apparently is NOT working for the benefit of the majority of us.
Unless I read something wrong, if those equations are correct, it is possible for a painting to be both popular and unpopular at the same time. It looks like it wasn't designed for a lot of people to hit it at once (as with /.), because as soon as 5 people mark a picture bad, it is unpopular, regardless of how many people have marked it good.
Was this poll not valid? Why do you people have such a hard time with this guy? Admittedly, some of the things he's posted have rubbed me the wrong way, but it's also true that some of what he has written has been very interesting. If you have such a problem with him, why do you waste time reading and replying to his articles? For you and the rest of the Katz haters, Slashdot can be virtually Katz free, just by you not clicking on his urls, but what you want, is not just for you not to have to read him anymore, but for nobody else who wants to read him to have that privilidge anymore. If you don't like him, don't read him. I really don't understand where the huge problem is.
I'm Bruce Perens. You may know me as the primary author of the Debian Free Software Guidelines and the Open Source Definition. I wrote the Electric Fence malloc() debugger, and some pieces of Debian. And you may remember me for having brought the TIGER map database to free software.
I'm Troy McClure. You may remember me from films such as:
"Driving Mr. T",
"Android Beach Party",
"The President's Neck is Missing!",
"Dial M for Murderousness", and
"A Fish Taco Called Juanita" (with Cheech Marin!)
For the Simpsons deprived, Troy McClure was a recurring character played by Phil Hartman on the Simpsons.
I think I'd have an easier time liking this guy if he didn't constantly sumarize his achievements for us, and tell us how great he is. As it is, who really cares what Bruce is quitting this week?
I wonder if any types of removable mediums like zip disks or optical disks or something are durable enough for this kind of thing. Maybe the operating system could be in memory, and all of your data could be on removable disks. Then even if your disk did go bad, if you had a PC that could read the disks, you could write a new copy and slap it in. Probably all sorts of logistical reasons why this is a really bad idea, but it's a thought, anyway...
:)
I think somebody ought to patent getting a patent. Then we can send cease and desist letters to everyone who holds a patent, saying that if they would like to hold their patents they will have to pay a licensing fee... :)
I had wrist surgery to remove a cyst which ran late and I missed it. Now I'm typing one handed for the next week, which is a royal pain in the ass. I wonder if I can find a keyboard mapping for one of those funky one-handed devorak layouts... :)
This sort of thing is an example of the commercial world creaping (sprinting) up on us here on the internet, and is highly relevant to the politics of the internet, even if in of itself it is only a minor example.