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Oh, I should mention a few more better general-purpose live distros that would make excellent recovery discs: aptosid and the forked siduction, and the originally heavily KNOPPIX-inspired KANOTIX. All are excellent, and each one has its pros and cons. All three are Debian-based.
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I disagree; everything is most definitely not a live CD. And while just about everything *provides* a live CD these days, it tends to be an option and I always levitate toward the more "traditional" installer CD/DVD. I'm not a fan of live CDs as installation discs; never was. As a live CD, KNOPPIX whips Ubuntu in performance and resource usage... it's no comparison.
Yep. KNOPPIX will always be special to me, because not only was it one of the first distributions I tried, it made doing so and learning the basics of Linux a breeze. Burn a disc, reboot. Explore, learn. Reboot again and you're back in your regular OS (for me, Windows at the time). I learned a lot from KNOPPIX, back when virtual machines weren't common or as easily possible. I think some of the oldest versions I tried were 3.3 and 3.4... which corresponds to 2004 on Distrowatch, which is when I first started learning about Linux. Here's hoping it continues to stick around; I'm taking a trip down memory lane right now, only with the latest 7.2 release, and it really is every bit as good as I remembered it.
Wake me up when Ubuntu runs in under 512MB RAM and boots in just a few seconds. KNOPPIX, once booted with LXDE fully loaded and ready to go, only uses 90-95MB total.
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Well, KNOPPIX is still being actively developed, for one thing.
From the Ubuntu Rescue Remix web site:
I am officially on hiatus and will not be providing support for the Rescue Remix in the future. If you would like to continue the project, please contact me.
On top of that, KNOPPIX has been around for much longer and has been highly influential, it practically made live CDs a reality, and it continues its excellence to this day. Basically, it has an excellent track record.
On the Lifehacker article you linked to, the only one that's even in KNOPPIX's league in terms of usefulness and quality is the generically-named SystemRescueCD. The Ultimate Boot CD can be occasionally be useful to have on hand, but it is really just a CD containing lots of small boot disks. The UBCD contains Parted Magic (an excellent distribution for hard drive partitioning), but you're really better off just getting the official Parted Magic release--it's frequently updated, and the version included in the UBCD tends to be outdated often. The Debian-based Finnix is my favorite "no-bullshit" rescue/utility distribution for when I just want something fast and do not want or need a GUI.
Grml and Plop Linux are also nice, but I don't really use them myself. RIP (Recovery Is Possible) is also a pretty good one based on Slackware AFAIK, but again, I don't tend to use it myself (and it seems to get more infrequent updates). Another Slackware based distribution, somewhat like a Slackware version of KNOPPIX, is Slax; it's great as a fast, lightweight, general-purpose live CD, but it tends to have much less installed than KNOPPIX.
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Finnix is also excellent if you do not want or need a desktop environment.
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I was curious myself and I couldn't take it any more, just had to find out how it runs these days myself so I'm actually typing this up on KNOPPIX 7.2 right now. I've run it plenty of times in virtual machines, but I haven't tried it out on bare hardware in years. I was fascinated with KNOPPIX back when I was still learning Linux, and in fact in was one of the primary ways I learned Linux and its command line. One of the things I was never a fan of in KNOPPIX and which hasn't really changed is its all-or-nothing approach: you either get a CD that might not have all that you need (for example, no KDE-based version), or a DVD that literally has everything--and suffers with some pretty messy menus and unwanted crap (GNOME 3...).
Its boot speed is very fast... even faster than I remember it (by quite a bit). It has that same familiar "initiating startup sequence..." audio clip, though it boots so quickly it's kind of odd; by the time the clip plays, it's already about to load X.org and the desktop! When the system is done booting into LXDE (CD or DVD version) and ready to go, it consumes only 90-95MB RAM, which is incredibly light for a live distribution. KNOPPIX connected properly to a Wi-Fi network using the Broadcom BCM4318 (which, due to nonfree firmware, has proven over time to be a real bitch to get set up in almost every distribution I've ever tried).
Overall... I would say that this is the same great KNOPPIX that I remember; it definitely still has enough to set itself apart from the rest If you want a lightweight (in terms of memory) truly general-purpose distribution that works well as a recovery disc, with a fully-functional and fully-configured graphical environment to top it off, KNOPPIX won't disappoint. I'm impressed.
LMFAO! Oh, wait, was that supposed to be serious? I mean, it's not like you're hurting Ubuntu by switching to one of the zillions of Ubuntu offshoots that lives, breathes and feeds off of Ubuntu...
If you really want to make sure Canonical/Ubuntu get the point, switch to something that is not directly based on Ubuntu. Of course, they're like Microsoft and Apple in that they will do whatever the fuck they want anyway, but it can't hurt to take your OS "usage" counts elsewhere.
My guess is that you probably nailed it with the "to induce widespread panic" part. Nothing new here, hackers will use any method possible to trick people and conceal their true intentions, move along.
Funny, I was born in '85 and *all* of my schools pushed patriotism every chance they could get throughout the 90s and early 2000s. I just learned not to believe all the bullshit they spewed, and to use my head to form my own conclusions from the facts. Same with all the anti-drug propaganda they pushed, those retarded DARE and MADD presentations... a few of which I just said "fuck this shit" and took off out of the school. Yeah, that wasn't allowed, but they can suck it.
The current gnome and kde offerings are so awful I find myself preferring to use my Android phone, despite the tiny screen, awful keyboard, and limited functionality. It's just plain easier to use.
Why? No one is forcing you into using GNOME 3 on Linux. I sure as hell won't touch it and I've been a Linux user since 2006 (maybe a year or two more if you consider dual-boot configurations and my learning period...).
Still trying to find a Linux environment I like. I got by for some years on Fedora 10 and Windows XP, but those have pretty much reached the end of their life. The Mint stuff seems promising; but MATE and XFCE had some bugs, and lacked configurability. I think with maturity these may improve. It's sad when Windows is more configurable and less buggy than Linux. But right now it is true. I lost track of how many Linux distros I've installed in the last year.
That's another point entirely; first GNOME 3 kept you off Linux, now you're saying no desktop on it is good enough. Which one really is it? Either way, I'm pretty sure Windows has its own share of bugs and lacks things the others don't have, so really, it all evens out in the end.
I don't want to have to be a beardy sysadmin just to get a system running and keep it up. I hacked it for years and you know what? I've decided I have better things to do with my sparse free time. I want something that just works, out of the box, without a silly learning curve, without having to use google as a user manual just to do basic stuff that takes one or two clicks on Windows. If I hack I want to do it for fun, not necessity.
I'm not a hacker; hell, I don't even know how to code--and I can run Linux just fine. And maintenance? What maintenance? I have had to do very, very little maintenance on my machines since switching to Linux. No defragging, no regular clean-up to keep the system running fast, no anti-virus/spyware/adware/trojan/worm/you-name-it software to suck up resources and have to keep updated. System update? Just download and burn the latest ISO, nuke the old / partition and install there. When the system is installed, that's about it; it's ready to go with all user settings intact. Maintaining Linux has been a dream compared to Windows.
What? My shitty schools always applauded everything about this country. I refuse to buy into all of it, because frankly, a lot of it is pure horseshit. Just blind patriotism. I can see where the U.S. does things great, but I am most definitely not blind to all the things they fail miserably at. I am not blind to the corruption in government that keeps getting unraveled.
Not so fast. Can't I even get a chance to respond, dipshit?
Just another fanboy martyr is all he was. The Cult Aaron Swartz... just another fanboy brigade who will chant his name any time IP is ever mentioned again.
1. The guy had depression. You don't fuck with depression. The government did, until he could finally take no more. If you knew fucking *anything* about depression, then you might have even the slightest clue of how he must have felt. Hint: It's not a happy feeling. 2. Yes, he got into trouble with a ridiculous federal law, and was made an example of by people in power who were had more greed than anything, wanting to utterly destroy his life just for a bit of fame and fortune on their end. In the end, their plan backfired--and deservedly so. 3. Enduring his legal difficulties? I'm pretty sure just before his suicide *ALL* hope for a reduced prison sentence was thrown out the window in Ortiz's infinite wisdom, meaning "enduring his legal difficulties" would be "stuck behind bars for 35 years or so." He hung in there for a couple years until the U.S. removed all hope. 4. The whole treatment the government gave him opened the eyes of a lot of people on the corrupt joke of the U.S. "justice" system, and in the end he has done the world a service on that alone. Changes are still likely to come, thanks to him.
The problem with a lighter environment is that most of the bloat I mentioned is the culprit: the web browsers and the web sites. All it will do is allow me to load maybe one more semi-bloated page without swapping *quite* as badly.
I do VoIP in my browser, and I can tell you, while I like the capability to call people from my computer for free using Google Voice, I FUCKING HATE being forced to do it in a web browser. The Gmail site is a bloated pig, just like so many others these days, and Firefox itself is also bloated to hell these days. With 1GB memory, it is NOT a pleasant experience, and sometimes the damn plug-in even refuses to load. I literally cannot open Firefox with Gmail and Slashdot without the system swapping like a son of a bitch. If Google provided a "native" client, I wouldn't hesitate to use it and stop having to load and stay on a bloated web page within a bloated browser for the entire duration of the call. Simply put, 3D gaming and video calls are a DUMB idea for web browsers.
Secure, my ass... and at this rate of adding garbage which only makes it easier to run untrusted code (before the user at least had to be smart enough to download an infected file in many cases), I think we're just getting set up for some serious security nightmares in the future. Complexity and unnecessary bloat in no way help security--especially when that bloat enables even more complex, powerful code to run. Maybe this is why Mozilla wanted to switch to the retarded rapid-release plan they're on right now and try to downplay the importance of version numbers: They know an obscene number of bugfix updates would be needed, and they'd rather not embarrass themselves in front of the public by being forced to put out more critical fixes than ever before...
Adding all this garbage is just setting the browser up to be like IE6 before it... a huge, bloated, buggy, major security risk. Most if not all of those things are already true to some extent, but at this rate it's only going to get worse. Once upon a time, a web browser just fetched web pages... now it's making it braindead easy to run unheard of amounts of potentially untrusted code. Beyore, you would have to download an executable in most cases or even buy a program at a store... now, all you have to do is browse a few web pages.
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Oh, I should mention a few more better general-purpose live distros that would make excellent recovery discs: aptosid and the forked siduction, and the originally heavily KNOPPIX-inspired KANOTIX. All are excellent, and each one has its pros and cons. All three are Debian-based.
They have lots of mirrors. Just try a different one.
http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/index-en.html
I disagree; everything is most definitely not a live CD. And while just about everything *provides* a live CD these days, it tends to be an option and I always levitate toward the more "traditional" installer CD/DVD. I'm not a fan of live CDs as installation discs; never was. As a live CD, KNOPPIX whips Ubuntu in performance and resource usage... it's no comparison.
Yep. KNOPPIX will always be special to me, because not only was it one of the first distributions I tried, it made doing so and learning the basics of Linux a breeze. Burn a disc, reboot. Explore, learn. Reboot again and you're back in your regular OS (for me, Windows at the time). I learned a lot from KNOPPIX, back when virtual machines weren't common or as easily possible. I think some of the oldest versions I tried were 3.3 and 3.4... which corresponds to 2004 on Distrowatch, which is when I first started learning about Linux. Here's hoping it continues to stick around; I'm taking a trip down memory lane right now, only with the latest 7.2 release, and it really is every bit as good as I remembered it.
Wake me up when Ubuntu runs in under 512MB RAM and boots in just a few seconds. KNOPPIX, once booted with LXDE fully loaded and ready to go, only uses 90-95MB total.
Well, KNOPPIX is still being actively developed, for one thing.
From the Ubuntu Rescue Remix web site:
I am officially on hiatus and will not be providing support for the Rescue Remix in the future. If you would like to continue the project, please contact me.
On top of that, KNOPPIX has been around for much longer and has been highly influential, it practically made live CDs a reality, and it continues its excellence to this day. Basically, it has an excellent track record.
On the Lifehacker article you linked to, the only one that's even in KNOPPIX's league in terms of usefulness and quality is the generically-named SystemRescueCD. The Ultimate Boot CD can be occasionally be useful to have on hand, but it is really just a CD containing lots of small boot disks. The UBCD contains Parted Magic (an excellent distribution for hard drive partitioning), but you're really better off just getting the official Parted Magic release--it's frequently updated, and the version included in the UBCD tends to be outdated often. The Debian-based Finnix is my favorite "no-bullshit" rescue/utility distribution for when I just want something fast and do not want or need a GUI.
Grml and Plop Linux are also nice, but I don't really use them myself. RIP (Recovery Is Possible) is also a pretty good one based on Slackware AFAIK, but again, I don't tend to use it myself (and it seems to get more infrequent updates). Another Slackware based distribution, somewhat like a Slackware version of KNOPPIX, is Slax; it's great as a fast, lightweight, general-purpose live CD, but it tends to have much less installed than KNOPPIX.
Finnix is also excellent if you do not want or need a desktop environment.
I was curious myself and I couldn't take it any more, just had to find out how it runs these days myself so I'm actually typing this up on KNOPPIX 7.2 right now. I've run it plenty of times in virtual machines, but I haven't tried it out on bare hardware in years. I was fascinated with KNOPPIX back when I was still learning Linux, and in fact in was one of the primary ways I learned Linux and its command line. One of the things I was never a fan of in KNOPPIX and which hasn't really changed is its all-or-nothing approach: you either get a CD that might not have all that you need (for example, no KDE-based version), or a DVD that literally has everything--and suffers with some pretty messy menus and unwanted crap (GNOME 3...).
Its boot speed is very fast... even faster than I remember it (by quite a bit). It has that same familiar "initiating startup sequence..." audio clip, though it boots so quickly it's kind of odd; by the time the clip plays, it's already about to load X.org and the desktop! When the system is done booting into LXDE (CD or DVD version) and ready to go, it consumes only 90-95MB RAM, which is incredibly light for a live distribution. KNOPPIX connected properly to a Wi-Fi network using the Broadcom BCM4318 (which, due to nonfree firmware, has proven over time to be a real bitch to get set up in almost every distribution I've ever tried).
Overall... I would say that this is the same great KNOPPIX that I remember; it definitely still has enough to set itself apart from the rest If you want a lightweight (in terms of memory) truly general-purpose distribution that works well as a recovery disc, with a fully-functional and fully-configured graphical environment to top it off, KNOPPIX won't disappoint. I'm impressed.
Not if it's dis-kinected from the wall outlet first.
I've switched to Mint.
LMFAO! Oh, wait, was that supposed to be serious? I mean, it's not like you're hurting Ubuntu by switching to one of the zillions of Ubuntu offshoots that lives, breathes and feeds off of Ubuntu...
If you really want to make sure Canonical/Ubuntu get the point, switch to something that is not directly based on Ubuntu. Of course, they're like Microsoft and Apple in that they will do whatever the fuck they want anyway, but it can't hurt to take your OS "usage" counts elsewhere.
Is it dead yet?
Heh... that was actually pretty funny, because there is some truth to it. Good one.
My guess is that you probably nailed it with the "to induce widespread panic" part. Nothing new here, hackers will use any method possible to trick people and conceal their true intentions, move along.
Funny, I was born in '85 and *all* of my schools pushed patriotism every chance they could get throughout the 90s and early 2000s. I just learned not to believe all the bullshit they spewed, and to use my head to form my own conclusions from the facts. Same with all the anti-drug propaganda they pushed, those retarded DARE and MADD presentations... a few of which I just said "fuck this shit" and took off out of the school. Yeah, that wasn't allowed, but they can suck it.
The current gnome and kde offerings are so awful I find myself preferring to use my Android phone, despite the tiny screen, awful keyboard, and limited functionality. It's just plain easier to use.
Why? No one is forcing you into using GNOME 3 on Linux. I sure as hell won't touch it and I've been a Linux user since 2006 (maybe a year or two more if you consider dual-boot configurations and my learning period...).
Still trying to find a Linux environment I like. I got by for some years on Fedora 10 and Windows XP, but those have pretty much reached the end of their life. The Mint stuff seems promising; but MATE and XFCE had some bugs, and lacked configurability. I think with maturity these may improve. It's sad when Windows is more configurable and less buggy than Linux. But right now it is true. I lost track of how many Linux distros I've installed in the last year.
That's another point entirely; first GNOME 3 kept you off Linux, now you're saying no desktop on it is good enough. Which one really is it? Either way, I'm pretty sure Windows has its own share of bugs and lacks things the others don't have, so really, it all evens out in the end.
I don't want to have to be a beardy sysadmin just to get a system running and keep it up. I hacked it for years and you know what? I've decided I have better things to do with my sparse free time. I want something that just works, out of the box, without a silly learning curve, without having to use google as a user manual just to do basic stuff that takes one or two clicks on Windows. If I hack I want to do it for fun, not necessity.
I'm not a hacker; hell, I don't even know how to code--and I can run Linux just fine. And maintenance? What maintenance? I have had to do very, very little maintenance on my machines since switching to Linux. No defragging, no regular clean-up to keep the system running fast, no anti-virus/spyware/adware/trojan/worm/you-name-it software to suck up resources and have to keep updated. System update? Just download and burn the latest ISO, nuke the old / partition and install there. When the system is installed, that's about it; it's ready to go with all user settings intact. Maintaining Linux has been a dream compared to Windows.
Somewhere between $2.05 and $2.12.
What? My shitty schools always applauded everything about this country. I refuse to buy into all of it, because frankly, a lot of it is pure horseshit. Just blind patriotism. I can see where the U.S. does things great, but I am most definitely not blind to all the things they fail miserably at. I am not blind to the corruption in government that keeps getting unraveled.
Care to cite?
"Last month, less than three months before his criminal trial was set to begin, Ortiz's office formally rejected a deal that would have kept Swartz out of prison. Two days later, Swartz killed himself."
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57570635-38/u.s-attorney-criticism-of-aaron-swartz-prosecution-is-unfair/
Didn't think so.
Not so fast. Can't I even get a chance to respond, dipshit?
Just another fanboy martyr is all he was. The Cult Aaron Swartz... just another fanboy brigade who will chant his name any time IP is ever mentioned again.
Nope, I guess not. You're just trolling.
1. The guy had depression. You don't fuck with depression. The government did, until he could finally take no more. If you knew fucking *anything* about depression, then you might have even the slightest clue of how he must have felt. Hint: It's not a happy feeling.
2. Yes, he got into trouble with a ridiculous federal law, and was made an example of by people in power who were had more greed than anything, wanting to utterly destroy his life just for a bit of fame and fortune on their end. In the end, their plan backfired--and deservedly so.
3. Enduring his legal difficulties? I'm pretty sure just before his suicide *ALL* hope for a reduced prison sentence was thrown out the window in Ortiz's infinite wisdom, meaning "enduring his legal difficulties" would be "stuck behind bars for 35 years or so." He hung in there for a couple years until the U.S. removed all hope.
4. The whole treatment the government gave him opened the eyes of a lot of people on the corrupt joke of the U.S. "justice" system, and in the end he has done the world a service on that alone. Changes are still likely to come, thanks to him.
Hey, at least that ship lasted longer than the Itanic!
The problem with a lighter environment is that most of the bloat I mentioned is the culprit: the web browsers and the web sites. All it will do is allow me to load maybe one more semi-bloated page without swapping *quite* as badly.
I do VoIP in my browser, and I can tell you, while I like the capability to call people from my computer for free using Google Voice, I FUCKING HATE being forced to do it in a web browser. The Gmail site is a bloated pig, just like so many others these days, and Firefox itself is also bloated to hell these days. With 1GB memory, it is NOT a pleasant experience, and sometimes the damn plug-in even refuses to load. I literally cannot open Firefox with Gmail and Slashdot without the system swapping like a son of a bitch. If Google provided a "native" client, I wouldn't hesitate to use it and stop having to load and stay on a bloated web page within a bloated browser for the entire duration of the call. Simply put, 3D gaming and video calls are a DUMB idea for web browsers.
Secure, my ass... and at this rate of adding garbage which only makes it easier to run untrusted code (before the user at least had to be smart enough to download an infected file in many cases), I think we're just getting set up for some serious security nightmares in the future. Complexity and unnecessary bloat in no way help security--especially when that bloat enables even more complex, powerful code to run. Maybe this is why Mozilla wanted to switch to the retarded rapid-release plan they're on right now and try to downplay the importance of version numbers: They know an obscene number of bugfix updates would be needed, and they'd rather not embarrass themselves in front of the public by being forced to put out more critical fixes than ever before...
Adding all this garbage is just setting the browser up to be like IE6 before it... a huge, bloated, buggy, major security risk. Most if not all of those things are already true to some extent, but at this rate it's only going to get worse. Once upon a time, a web browser just fetched web pages... now it's making it braindead easy to run unheard of amounts of potentially untrusted code. Beyore, you would have to download an executable in most cases or even buy a program at a store... now, all you have to do is browse a few web pages.
Scare tactics? Hey... ain't that just synonym for terrorism? Literally?