The politicans blame the students for every-thing for exactly one reason; They don't vote. Most collage students are from out of town and can't vote in the local elections. And it's not like the collage can just pick up and leave town. So if you consider all of that the politicans really have the collages by the go-nads. I mean they can abuse them all thay want as long as they stop short of them going out of buisness
I agree that by and large Wilkes-Barre is a dying town inhabited for the
most part by people who can't (or won't) read a stop sign.
But it does have some redeeming qualities, Wilkes
University being the foremost among them. Wilkes has one of the top
rated schools of pharmacy in the
country. The school of pharmacy is so good that it was the primary reason
that a huge
employer recently opened up shop in the area.
Not to mention that Wilkes has one of the best computer
science programs in Pennsylvania. They are so forward thinking it's
scary. Every computer that a CS student must use has Linux installed. And in the
more general computer labs they have the computers configured to duel-boot
so they can have the best of both worlds. If you ever want a poster boy
for schools leveraging the power of open-source, Wilkes is it. Heck, even
one the assignments for
the networking
class involves installing Linux. The CS department is staffed with
some of the most amazing faculty around. Including
John Koch whom solved the
century-old Four Color Problem.
It's not just the computer science
department either, technology permeates through every aspect of the Wilkes
campus. Just take a look at the web page for the
radio station and there automation system and tell me it's not
cool. Anything that tells you what the name of the song is,while it's
still playing, is a good thing in my book.
It's just too bad that Wilkes-Barre is run by an incompetent mayor that uses the local collage
students as a scape-goat for everything and is inhabited by an elderly
populace that is too busy trying to kill the collages to realize that they
are the only thing keeping Wilkes-Barre alive.
All in all, Wilkes-Barre is a great place to go to school, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to live here forever.
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But in IANAL theory, once you modify the code it becomes partly yours. At least that's what I always figured about the code that I've added to projects.
Could that allow for some DMCA shenanigans?
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I just came up with an example:
It is relativly easy (and possible legal for personal use but IANAL) to copy an encrypted DVD. But when you try to make tools to play (decrypt) that DVD without the proper authorization the law gets involved. Given the theory in the above postings, a similar situation could occur when it comes to "Co-opted" GPL'd software.
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The point is not copy-control but run-control. The uneditable/unreadable embedded passwords provide the distributor a means to control just who can run the program. And since you can't extract the password (DMCA) you are forced to pay for it.
Re:That is way the world would work if..?
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That reminds me that I should state the obvious and declare, like most slashdotters IANAL (I Am Not A Lawyer).
Not that I have given out legal advice or anything but just in case.
That is way the world would work if..?
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That is the way the world would work if it were logical. But alas our system of laws is often not.
Just because A = B and C = D. Doesn't mean that B + D = F. The judge just might look at whether there is a copyright protection mechanism in place. If so and if it is being circumvented, the judge might rule that the DMCA has been violated regardless of the license involved. In that kind of scope I guess it all comes down to which legal document takes precedence the license or the law. If it is the GPL, then great Hooray for our side. But if it's the DMCA, we could have a problem.
Somebody read, then MOD the parent thread up.
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If copy-protection + Tax kickbacks is found to be illegal, this would lead to an interesting choice. If forced to choose, will the music industry choose the right to copy-protect or the cash flow produced from goverment protections?
I can't remember the number of times I've sat here and listened to all the armchair QBs on slashdot say "If I had the chance I'd make a diffrence.". Well, guess what! This is your chance. Get up, find a stamp and do your part. It's easy, even a post card will work. Even if doubt your letter will effect anything, don't worry it's cheap, easy and it will definitly benifit a postal system that could use some help anyway.
If any work a grad student produces is considered a work for hire, can this apply to the work produced by ordinary collage students? What is the business nature of the collage industry?
I pay to attend collage ($100 a class in fact), so I view the school as a seller of a service (education) and me as the buyer. I attend college so I may learn how to make the very things that they want a piece of.
If collage is a service industry, what right do they have to demand of me, their customer (or employer depending on how you look at it.), compensation for the work that I have paid them to help me produce?
Now if I were a grad student I would argue that the collage already receives ample restitution for the money they spent to fund my research. The university has many things to gain from student project without owning the body of works that is ultimately produced.
They first and foremost get another notch in their belt as far as their reputation goes. Isn't that the point of full scholarships? To draw smarter people to the school so others whom look at the success of the graduates will think that a student whom attends (or attended) that school will end up better off then if they attended another university.
Second, as far a reputation goes, if a project turns out particularly well, the collage will gain notoriety for being a leader in that field (Just like people whom decide to attend a university because it has a winning sports team.). This will also draw more students and grant money to the University.
Thirdly, the student body and the professors become experienced in the field of study in question. This is better then spending money on training because not only do both the professors and the students learn new things, they do it as part of their job.
And lastly the most important and possibly the most forgotten reason to freely fund research is that it contributes to the knowledge of the world as a whole and that always benefits mankind no matter what the information is. And it is vital in these days of increasing commercialism that the free flow of information be guarded ever more closely, so as to encourage future discovery. Collages used to be the vanguard of this ideal, but unfortunately more and more of them are now selling out.
If any work a grad student produces is considered a work for hire, can this apply to the work produced by ordinary collage students? What is the business nature of the collage industry?
I pay to attend collage ($100 a class in fact), so I view the school as a seller of a service (education) and me as the buyer. I attend college so I may learn how to make the very things that they want a piece of.
If collage is a service industry, what right do they have to demand of me, their customer (or employer depending on how you look at it.), compensation for the work that I have paid them to help me produce?
Now if I were a grad student I would argue that the collage already receives ample restitution for the money they spent to fund my research. The university has many things to gain from student project without owning the body of works that is ultimately produced.
They first and foremost get another notch in their belt as far as their reputation goes. Isn't that the point of full scholarships? To draw smarter people to the school so others whom look at the success of the graduates will think that a student whom attends (or attended) that school will end up better off then if they attended another university.
Second, as far a reputation goes, if a project turns out particularly well, the collage will gain notoriety for being a leader in that field (Just like people whom decide to attend a university because it has a winning sports team.). This will also draw more students and grant money to the University.
Thirdly, the student body and the professors become experienced in the field of study in question. This is better then spending money on training because not only do both the professors and the students learn new things, they do it as part of their job.
And lastly the most important and possibly the most forgotten reason to freely fund research is that it contributes to the knowledge of the world as a whole and that always benefits mankind no matter what the information is. And it is vital in these days of increasing commercialism that the free flow of information be guarded ever more closely, so as to encourage future discovery. Collages used to be the vanguard of this ideal, but unfortunately more and more of them are now selling out.
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The politicans blame the students for every-thing for exactly one reason; They don't vote. Most collage students are from out of town and can't vote in the local elections. And it's not like the collage can just pick up and leave town. So if you consider all of that the politicans really have the collages by the go-nads. I mean they can abuse them all thay want as long as they stop short of them going out of buisness
I agree that by and large Wilkes-Barre is a dying town inhabited for the most part by people who can't (or won't) read a stop sign.
But it does have some redeeming qualities, Wilkes University being the foremost among them. Wilkes has one of the top rated schools of pharmacy in the country. The school of pharmacy is so good that it was the primary reason that a huge employer recently opened up shop in the area.
Not to mention that Wilkes has one of the best computer science programs in Pennsylvania. They are so forward thinking it's scary. Every computer that a CS student must use has Linux installed. And in the more general computer labs they have the computers configured to duel-boot so they can have the best of both worlds. If you ever want a poster boy for schools leveraging the power of open-source, Wilkes is it. Heck, even one the assignments for the networking class involves installing Linux. The CS department is staffed with some of the most amazing faculty around. Including John Koch whom solved the century-old Four Color Problem.
It's not just the computer science department either, technology permeates through every aspect of the Wilkes campus. Just take a look at the web page for the radio station and there automation system and tell me it's not cool. Anything that tells you what the name of the song is ,while it's
still playing, is a good thing in my book.
It's just too bad that Wilkes-Barre is run by an incompetent mayor that uses the local collage students as a scape-goat for everything and is inhabited by an elderly populace that is too busy trying to kill the collages to realize that they are the only thing keeping Wilkes-Barre alive.
All in all, Wilkes-Barre is a great place to go to school, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to live here forever.
But in IANAL theory, once you modify the code it becomes partly yours. At least that's what I always figured about the code that I've added to projects.
Could that allow for some DMCA shenanigans?
I just came up with an example:
It is relativly easy (and possible legal for personal use but IANAL) to copy an encrypted DVD. But when you try to make tools to play (decrypt) that DVD without the proper authorization the law gets involved. Given the theory in the above postings, a similar situation could occur when it comes to "Co-opted" GPL'd software.
The point is not copy-control but run-control. The uneditable/unreadable embedded passwords provide the distributor a means to control just who can run the program. And since you can't extract the password (DMCA) you are forced to pay for it.
That reminds me that I should state the obvious and declare, like most slashdotters IANAL (I Am Not A Lawyer).
Not that I have given out legal advice or anything but just in case.That is the way the world would work if it were logical. But alas our system of laws is often not.
Just because A = B and C = D. Doesn't mean that B + D = F. The judge just might look at whether there is a copyright protection mechanism in place. If so and if it is being circumvented, the judge might rule that the DMCA has been violated regardless of the license involved. In that kind of scope I guess it all comes down to which legal document takes precedence the license or the law. If it is the GPL, then great Hooray for our side. But if it's the DMCA, we could have a problem.
Mod the above conversation above up.
I'm gonna go hide in my basement.
If copy-protection + Tax kickbacks is found to be illegal, this would lead to an interesting choice. If forced to choose, will the music industry choose the right to copy-protect or the cash flow produced from goverment protections?
I agree completly.
I can't remember the number of times I've sat here and listened to all the armchair QBs on slashdot say "If I had the chance I'd make a diffrence.". Well, guess what! This is your chance. Get up, find a stamp and do your part. It's easy, even a post card will work. Even if doubt your letter will effect anything, don't worry it's cheap, easy and it will definitly benifit a postal system that could use some help anyway.
If any work a grad student produces is considered a work for hire, can this apply to the work produced by ordinary collage students? What is the business nature of the collage industry?
I pay to attend collage ($100 a class in fact), so I view the school as a seller of a service (education) and me as the buyer. I attend college so I may learn how to make the very things that they want a piece of.
If collage is a service industry, what right do they have to demand of me, their customer (or employer depending on how you look at it.), compensation for the work that I have paid them to help me produce?
Now if I were a grad student I would argue that the collage already receives ample restitution for the money they spent to fund my research. The university has many things to gain from student project without owning the body of works that is ultimately produced.
They first and foremost get another notch in their belt as far as their reputation goes. Isn't that the point of full scholarships? To draw smarter people to the school so others whom look at the success of the graduates will think that a student whom attends (or attended) that school will end up better off then if they attended another university.
Second, as far a reputation goes, if a project turns out particularly well, the collage will gain notoriety for being a leader in that field (Just like people whom decide to attend a university because it has a winning sports team.). This will also draw more students and grant money to the University.
Thirdly, the student body and the professors become experienced in the field of study in question. This is better then spending money on training because not only do both the professors and the students learn new things, they do it as part of their job.
And lastly the most important and possibly the most forgotten reason to freely fund research is that it contributes to the knowledge of the world as a whole and that always benefits mankind no matter what the information is. And it is vital in these days of increasing commercialism that the free flow of information be guarded ever more closely, so as to encourage future discovery. Collages used to be the vanguard of this ideal, but unfortunately more and more of them are now selling out.
Formatted this time. Sorry.
If any work a grad student produces is considered a work for hire, can this apply to the work produced by ordinary collage students? What is the business nature of the collage industry? I pay to attend collage ($100 a class in fact), so I view the school as a seller of a service (education) and me as the buyer. I attend college so I may learn how to make the very things that they want a piece of. If collage is a service industry, what right do they have to demand of me, their customer (or employer depending on how you look at it.), compensation for the work that I have paid them to help me produce? Now if I were a grad student I would argue that the collage already receives ample restitution for the money they spent to fund my research. The university has many things to gain from student project without owning the body of works that is ultimately produced. They first and foremost get another notch in their belt as far as their reputation goes. Isn't that the point of full scholarships? To draw smarter people to the school so others whom look at the success of the graduates will think that a student whom attends (or attended) that school will end up better off then if they attended another university. Second, as far a reputation goes, if a project turns out particularly well, the collage will gain notoriety for being a leader in that field (Just like people whom decide to attend a university because it has a winning sports team.). This will also draw more students and grant money to the University. Thirdly, the student body and the professors become experienced in the field of study in question. This is better then spending money on training because not only do both the professors and the students learn new things, they do it as part of their job. And lastly the most important and possibly the most forgotten reason to freely fund research is that it contributes to the knowledge of the world as a whole and that always benefits mankind no matter what the information is. And it is vital in these days of increasing commercialism that the free flow of information be guarded ever more closely, so as to encourage future discovery. Collages used to be the vanguard of this ideal, but unfortunately more and more of them are now selling out.