Where did I say I was against it? I figure it'd be fairly lucrative for myself since I have the training and skillset to mold into this new vision of the future.
As far as lies, I guess I tend to see more of those coming from/. and the OSS community. But you are certainly welcome to your opinion.
"Free (as in speech) software should be excluded from such liability"
I'll just go right by the loophole in your law by giving the software away for free, and sell you $4 million for installation support. Of course now you've made the goal of the software industry to make software installation so convuluted that it requires paid support, not to mention hard to use because we need to profit on training.
Hmm, that reminds me of Peoplesoft.:)
Free (as in speech) software is really just promotional material to sell commercial support contracts. The distinction you think is there, does not really exist.
Such a move will further entrench software development into the hands of a few large companies.
Is it good? I don't know, I guess it depends on what your priorities are. If what you really want is rock solid quality software, then yes it's good.
If you want rapid innovation, then probably not.
It'd definately kill off free software because you'd need to be trained, licensed and bonded in order to write software. Just like engineers who design bridges, etc.
Perhaps it is the natural progression of the market. If you look at other industries, over time they concentrated their power into the hands of a few large companies. Oil, Automobiles, Televisions, Radio, etc.
That's why it's always important to see both sides of an issue. The title of this article as posted to/. is pretty anti-Microsoft. But ask yourself, out of all the companies developing software which one has the intelligence and the financial resources to react to such a change?
The only one I can think of is Microsoft. This wouldn't be their undoing, it'd only make them stronger.
Microsoft isn't going anywhere, time to get used to that.
You remind me of the moron I got into an argument with who claimed that Microsoft had stolen the look and feel of Motif for Windows 3.0 as if everything first originates in the Unix world.
BTW, in case you didn't know the look and feel of Motif came from Microsoft. The goal was for X11 to look similar to other Windowing UIs. Check the copyright for Motif and you'll see Microsoft's name listed in the credits.
I upgraded from an Iiyama VisionMaster Pro 17" recently to a NEC 1530V.
Price. Well the NEC cost $100 less than I paid for the Iiyama 3 years ago.
Picture Quality. Outstanding. Much better than the Iiyama. Yes, viewing angle can be a problem, but I rarely have problems. I have one bad pixel on the display, and I notice absolutely no ghosting with games.(RTCW is my fav)
Weight - It weighs like 10 pounds, compared to the 30 my Iiyama weighs.
Durability - I try not to drop my monitors. I highly doubt the Iiyama would fare well if it hit the ground.
Compatibility - It plugs into a standard VGA port. The only other interface I'm aware of is the standard DVI, which I also happen to have on my ATI Radeon card. I'm hoping to buy a second LCD this year that uses the DVI port.
It sounds to me like you have not used LCD panels for about 3-4 years. The newer ones such as my 1530V are quite nice, and even that's been dramatically improved upon with the newest model.
Ahh, I remember my Amiga 500 fondly. It was designed as you suggest, a big keyboard, floppy on the side, power supply in a big brick on the floor.
What always amazed me about that design was if you looked at the back all the cables for external floppy, serial, video, printer, and so on had ways that you could screw the cables in so that they would not accidentally come loose.
That was really quite thoughtful of them, there's nothing like having a peripheral accidentally come unplugged to ruin your day.
It's just too bad the power supply cable wasn't similarly attached. Pull the computer forward... *pop* there goes the power.
Yes, the move from NT4 to Win2k was pretty big. The move from Win2k to WinXP is also a good step, but it's far more subtle. It's just more useable than 2k, whereas 2k over NT was more stable. Stability is noticeable right away, where usability takes some time to notice.
We've encountered the same type of hold back from our business segments. They say that they are perfectly happy running Windows NT 4.0.
Of course part of it is that they just don't realize many of the benefits they could see. We do a piss poor job of marketing our IT services internally.
But I don't think it has anything to do with DRM or the other things mentioned here. These users are no more aware of those features than they are of the alpha blending GUI coolness.
It's mostly just a fear of the unknown. Things work fine now don't try to fix them... that sort of thing.
But this same attitude pretty much also dooms the notion of Linux on the desktop. If people are afraid of moving to WinXP for fear of what might no longer work, they aren't about to jump into another plane of in-compatibility with Linux.
Ohwell, the technical people in our company have been using WinXP for several months now and the more they use it, the more they like it. The changes are subtle, but very likeable.
I don't know, I used to have a 386SX16 running Windows 3.1 with 5 Megs of RAM and I'm fairly certain my 850Mhz PIII with 768 Megs of RAM not only cost less than the 386, but also runs Windows XP considerably faster.
BTW, the key to WinXP speed is a relatively fast hardware accelerated video card. i.e. a Tseng ET4000 isn't going to cut it, I'd recommend a Riva TNT at the very least. And also RAM, I bought my 768 Megs when it only cost $30 per 256Meg DIMM. I realize they are not like $60, but it's still worth putting in at least 512 Megs.
Honestly for the first time in my experience with computers, I see no reason to buy the absolute latest greatest computer and two year old technology is more than adequate.
"First of all I am not a juvenile and secondly I did not lie."
When you tell the truth, I'll let you know.
You are a sad example of what is wrong with the computing industry. Someone with barely a clue can spread lies and bullshit and find their way to gainful employment. Sadly after a few months, maybe a year, perhaps your employer will wake up and realize what an absolute fraud you are.
Perhaps after losing your job several times you'll finally wake up and realize that this is not the industry for you.
Personally given the skills you have demonstrated in your trolling of slashdot, I would recommend a job in Vegas. Perhaps as a dealer at a blackjack table.
I do not blame you for hiding as Anonymous Coward. I too would hide in shame if I were as ignorant as thee.
Did you read what I said? Do you understand the power of scripting?
I shall give you a challenge. Tell me how you would configure Apache to use a custom html page for a 404 error? From the command line, automated such that you can modify any Apache web server with this setting without having to write custom config files for each server.
Then explain to me how you think this change would be made with an IIS server.
It's not even so much that... It's pretty damn easy to automate the configuration of IIS using scripts. That's a bit more difficult to do with text files.
Yes it can be done, but it's not nearly as clean as using the ADSI interfaces which make the IIS metabase look like an LDAP server.
Anyway...
Oh my God, this is just too funny!
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I love it!
"Microsoft has seemingly acknowledged defeat: IIS is not available on the Home edition of XP and the Professional edition, by default, is installed without IIS. "
Microsoft get's questioned as to why IIS would possibly be installed automatically, or why it would be installed on a machine whose user probably doesn't know what it is... So in an effort to offer a more secure platform they change the configuration in Windows XP. Home does not get IIS, and Pro only installs it by request.(Actually Win2k Pro only installed IIS by request as well, and WinMe didn't ship with IIS at all either, but whatever)
Now this guy claims it's because Microsoft is abandoning the market.
That has got to be the funniest thing I have read thus far this year. There are some equally stupid statements made elsewhere in the article, but it's really not worth the effort to point them out.:)
I think maybe you need to talk to the doctor about your meds.
I have not pledged myself to any corporation, I have only pledged myself to protecting truth. I grow so tired of juveniles such as yourself going around spreading FUD, lies and other crap.
If you are going to make a claim, back it up with fucking facts. It's not my job to do your research.
Well I only have a Pentium III 850Mhz, so I don't know what you get with the new Pentium 4.
But this is what I received with the purchase of my desktop:
1. A premium PC that I know will work.
2. Quality hardware that cost very little to purchase.
3. A company that stands behind its product, that will talk to you, that will make certain that you are a happy customer.
4. An operating system that is built from the ground up to run well on premium PC hardware.
Amazing thing was I spent about half what you did on your Mac and got the same benefits as you think you got.
I do hope that I never see you complaining about Monopolies, because you appear to treasure them far more than I.
The only way you can purchase a full install of any MacOS is if you buy it with the hardware. From then on, every version of MacOS that Apple sells you is an *Upgrade*.
I will aid you in your search for a rebutable. You must prove that MacOSX will run on a hardware platform that can be purchased from someone other than Apple computer. If you can do that, you will win the argument, otherwise it is futile to continue.
Microsoft is more interested today than at any other time to understand what the consumer wants.
They may have a monopoly on the desktop, but there is no growth potential there. Their greatest competitor is their older products, so they must continue to strive for better products to convince people to upgrade.
Maybe instead of spending all your time trolling slashdot you should go out and learn about the market.
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Motif utilized a number of different concepts from many companies. The look & feel came from MS. Other parts came from HP, DEC, and so forth.
;)
Software by committee.
Where did I say I was against it? I figure it'd be fairly lucrative for myself since I have the training and skillset to mold into this new vision of the future.
/. and the OSS community. But you are certainly welcome to your opinion.
As far as lies, I guess I tend to see more of those coming from
"Free (as in speech) software should be excluded from such liability"
:)
I'll just go right by the loophole in your law by giving the software away for free, and sell you $4 million for installation support. Of course now you've made the goal of the software industry to make software installation so convuluted that it requires paid support, not to mention hard to use because we need to profit on training.
Hmm, that reminds me of Peoplesoft.
Free (as in speech) software is really just promotional material to sell commercial support contracts. The distinction you think is there, does not really exist.
"Funny, my employer already sells embedded systems with explicit warranties, and I'm not licensed or bonded. I just have to write decent software."
How many of these do you sell at CompUSA for $50/each?
And were you mandated by law to do this?
Such a move will further entrench software development into the hands of a few large companies.
/. is pretty anti-Microsoft. But ask yourself, out of all the companies developing software which one has the intelligence and the financial resources to react to such a change?
Is it good? I don't know, I guess it depends on what your priorities are. If what you really want is rock solid quality software, then yes it's good.
If you want rapid innovation, then probably not.
It'd definately kill off free software because you'd need to be trained, licensed and bonded in order to write software. Just like engineers who design bridges, etc.
Perhaps it is the natural progression of the market. If you look at other industries, over time they concentrated their power into the hands of a few large companies. Oil, Automobiles, Televisions, Radio, etc.
That's why it's always important to see both sides of an issue. The title of this article as posted to
The only one I can think of is Microsoft. This wouldn't be their undoing, it'd only make them stronger.
Microsoft isn't going anywhere, time to get used to that.
You remind me of the moron I got into an argument with who claimed that Microsoft had stolen the look and feel of Motif for Windows 3.0 as if everything first originates in the Unix world.
BTW, in case you didn't know the look and feel of Motif came from Microsoft. The goal was for X11 to look similar to other Windowing UIs. Check the copyright for Motif and you'll see Microsoft's name listed in the credits.
Sometimes anti-MS attitudes can go to far.
Bah, the Atari 1040ST didn't even have stereo sound, much less 4096 colors!
Uhh, what is this some kind of troll?
I upgraded from an Iiyama VisionMaster Pro 17" recently to a NEC 1530V.
Price. Well the NEC cost $100 less than I paid for the Iiyama 3 years ago.
Picture Quality. Outstanding. Much better than the Iiyama. Yes, viewing angle can be a problem, but I rarely have problems. I have one bad pixel on the display, and I notice absolutely no ghosting with games.(RTCW is my fav)
Weight - It weighs like 10 pounds, compared to the 30 my Iiyama weighs.
Durability - I try not to drop my monitors. I highly doubt the Iiyama would fare well if it hit the ground.
Compatibility - It plugs into a standard VGA port. The only other interface I'm aware of is the standard DVI, which I also happen to have on my ATI Radeon card. I'm hoping to buy a second LCD this year that uses the DVI port.
It sounds to me like you have not used LCD panels for about 3-4 years. The newer ones such as my 1530V are quite nice, and even that's been dramatically improved upon with the newest model.
Ahh, I remember my Amiga 500 fondly. It was designed as you suggest, a big keyboard, floppy on the side, power supply in a big brick on the floor.
What always amazed me about that design was if you looked at the back all the cables for external floppy, serial, video, printer, and so on had ways that you could screw the cables in so that they would not accidentally come loose.
That was really quite thoughtful of them, there's nothing like having a peripheral accidentally come unplugged to ruin your day.
It's just too bad the power supply cable wasn't similarly attached. Pull the computer forward... *pop* there goes the power.
Yes, the move from NT4 to Win2k was pretty big. The move from Win2k to WinXP is also a good step, but it's far more subtle. It's just more useable than 2k, whereas 2k over NT was more stable. Stability is noticeable right away, where usability takes some time to notice.
We've encountered the same type of hold back from our business segments. They say that they are perfectly happy running Windows NT 4.0.
Of course part of it is that they just don't realize many of the benefits they could see. We do a piss poor job of marketing our IT services internally.
But I don't think it has anything to do with DRM or the other things mentioned here. These users are no more aware of those features than they are of the alpha blending GUI coolness.
It's mostly just a fear of the unknown. Things work fine now don't try to fix them... that sort of thing.
But this same attitude pretty much also dooms the notion of Linux on the desktop. If people are afraid of moving to WinXP for fear of what might no longer work, they aren't about to jump into another plane of in-compatibility with Linux.
Ohwell, the technical people in our company have been using WinXP for several months now and the more they use it, the more they like it. The changes are subtle, but very likeable.
I don't know, I used to have a 386SX16 running Windows 3.1 with 5 Megs of RAM and I'm fairly certain my 850Mhz PIII with 768 Megs of RAM not only cost less than the 386, but also runs Windows XP considerably faster.
BTW, the key to WinXP speed is a relatively fast hardware accelerated video card. i.e. a Tseng ET4000 isn't going to cut it, I'd recommend a Riva TNT at the very least. And also RAM, I bought my 768 Megs when it only cost $30 per 256Meg DIMM. I realize they are not like $60, but it's still worth putting in at least 512 Megs.
Honestly for the first time in my experience with computers, I see no reason to buy the absolute latest greatest computer and two year old technology is more than adequate.
"For most for the consumers there is no choice. "
There is obviously choice, or you would not be spouting off about Linux.
Your lies are transparent, perhaps it's time you give them up?
"First of all I am not a juvenile and secondly I did not lie."
When you tell the truth, I'll let you know.
You are a sad example of what is wrong with the computing industry. Someone with barely a clue can spread lies and bullshit and find their way to gainful employment. Sadly after a few months, maybe a year, perhaps your employer will wake up and realize what an absolute fraud you are.
Perhaps after losing your job several times you'll finally wake up and realize that this is not the industry for you.
Personally given the skills you have demonstrated in your trolling of slashdot, I would recommend a job in Vegas. Perhaps as a dealer at a blackjack table.
I do not blame you for hiding as Anonymous Coward. I too would hide in shame if I were as ignorant as thee.
Did you read what I said? Do you understand the power of scripting?
I shall give you a challenge. Tell me how you would configure Apache to use a custom html page for a 404 error? From the command line, automated such that you can modify any Apache web server with this setting without having to write custom config files for each server.
Then explain to me how you think this change would be made with an IIS server.
Let us see just how knowledgeable you are.
I doubt you will respond.
It's not even so much that... It's pretty damn easy to automate the configuration of IIS using scripts. That's a bit more difficult to do with text files.
Yes it can be done, but it's not nearly as clean as using the ADSI interfaces which make the IIS metabase look like an LDAP server.
Anyway...
I love it!
:)
"Microsoft has seemingly acknowledged defeat: IIS is not available on the Home edition of XP and the Professional edition, by default, is installed without IIS. "
Microsoft get's questioned as to why IIS would possibly be installed automatically, or why it would be installed on a machine whose user probably doesn't know what it is... So in an effort to offer a more secure platform they change the configuration in Windows XP. Home does not get IIS, and Pro only installs it by request.(Actually Win2k Pro only installed IIS by request as well, and WinMe didn't ship with IIS at all either, but whatever)
Now this guy claims it's because Microsoft is abandoning the market.
That has got to be the funniest thing I have read thus far this year. There are some equally stupid statements made elsewhere in the article, but it's really not worth the effort to point them out.
Poor Malcontent.
The Consumer can never be a loser, because the consumer is the one who controls the money and chooses how and who to give it to.
If the Consumer chooses to buy the Microsoft product, then one would assume that the Consumer has identified that they derive value from the purchase.
Look, if you are going to go around making claims, back them up with facts... or at least put a logical basis behind it.
Heh.
I think maybe you need to talk to the doctor about your meds.
I have not pledged myself to any corporation, I have only pledged myself to protecting truth. I grow so tired of juveniles such as yourself going around spreading FUD, lies and other crap.
If you are going to make a claim, back it up with fucking facts. It's not my job to do your research.
Troll.
But Malcontent, you are nothing more than a troll. Why should anybody believe the tripe you push forth on slashdot?
Well I only have a Pentium III 850Mhz, so I don't know what you get with the new Pentium 4.
But this is what I received with the purchase of my desktop:
1. A premium PC that I know will work.
2. Quality hardware that cost very little to purchase.
3. A company that stands behind its product, that will talk to you, that will make certain that you are a happy customer.
4. An operating system that is built from the ground up to run well on premium PC hardware.
Amazing thing was I spent about half what you did on your Mac and got the same benefits as you think you got.
I do hope that I never see you complaining about Monopolies, because you appear to treasure them far more than I.
The only way you can purchase a full install of any MacOS is if you buy it with the hardware. From then on, every version of MacOS that Apple sells you is an *Upgrade*.
I will aid you in your search for a rebutable. You must prove that MacOSX will run on a hardware platform that can be purchased from someone other than Apple computer. If you can do that, you will win the argument, otherwise it is futile to continue.
Microsoft is more interested today than at any other time to understand what the consumer wants.
They may have a monopoly on the desktop, but there is no growth potential there. Their greatest competitor is their older products, so they must continue to strive for better products to convince people to upgrade.
Maybe instead of spending all your time trolling slashdot you should go out and learn about the market.
The excuses Apple whiners make up for why they pay more to get less is growing tiring.
Your web session timing out?
I assume you are talking about the MacOS X *Upgrade* that is available from the apple store.