Microsoft has implemented a variety of security services that basically rely upon hiding some piece of information. They aren't important security things, but they don't want to make it easy for you to subvert.
Not so much the authentication services, but some of the anti-piracy measures, or some of the services which deal with a computer rather than a person.
The reality is this phrasing wasn't put there as a loophole to attack competition, but rather as wording for MS to protect some core pieces. They are not about to give up on that, and even if the court mandated a complete reversal on that phrasing, they would most likely succeed in another appeal.
What needs to happen is to make sure the wording is such that interoperability is not impacted. I thought that was the case from my reading of the other parts, but maybe it needs to be more specific.
Cnet is running a nice piece on Microsoft titled something like Conspiracy versus Reality. You've unfortunately consumed yourself with the conspiracy that you can't see the reality.
I don't believe the claim that JVM is a critical part of the modern web browser.
Now Flash... that I can see. I encounter far more(by a factor of 100x) flash enabled web sites than sites using Java.
Sun should either pay Microsoft to bundle their JVM, or Sun should start a marketing campaign to encourage people to download and install their JVM. If it's really that important of an issue, I'm sure Sun would be more than willing to address it with action instead of whining.
But the objective fact is that Windows XP does not have reduced support for MP3's.
Your argument was based off a series of claims, with a conclusion that because all of these claims were true then this was the result. I merely pointed out that not just one but many of your claims were factually incorrect, from a purely objective viewpoint. Even if you only agreed with one of the claims being incorrect, you cannot therefore conclude that the sum of those claims arrives at the same conclusion. Unless you are being subjective, that is.
The problem is, and the reason why the statement is FUD, is because, in fact, all of the claims have to be taken from a purely subjective point of view in order to arrive at the conclusion suggested.
I guess the point is. Don't try to be objective by being subjective.
But that's ok because Judge Jackson clearly demonstrated contempt of his own court by talking to the media.
The basic point being that in and of itself showing contempt for the law isn't a crime. You just said so yourself, yet in your previous post you claimed that we should dismantle Microsoft because of this imaginary crime.
Hell I'd have contempt for the court too if I they were being driven by politics rather than reason, as was the Microsoft case.
Yep. But it's a 4 year old JVM from '97. Sun has refused to allow Microsoft to maintain or update it such that it's compliant with anything newer.
The point was, the complaints about this issue were FUD, pure and simple. It's a case of Sun claiming victory in the battle, but losing the war and then whining about it.
Well now that we've had the FUD. Let's dish out a dose of reality, shall we?
XP doesn't have reduced support for MP3. It plays MP3s just fine, just like it has ever since Media Player came out. In fact it has enhanced support for MP3 over previous versions because you can buy a $10 plugin that'll let you encode in that format.
If you don't agree... Prove it. Show me an older version of Media Player which had better support for MP3 than what ships with XP.
Answer: You can't, because you are spreading FUD.
Just like the Netscape plugin issue, the JVM issue, etc. FUD FUD FUD.
Customer: I don't understand this. I specifically ordered this system with Windows XP to be loaded on it. Why isn't Windows XP on it?
Dell rep: I'm sorry, but your machine shipped towards the end of the day and we had reached our quota for Windows XP. So we decided to install a substitute operating system.
Customer: But I didn't want AOL X! I don't even use AOL as my ISP. I can't do anything with this computer now! I'm sending it back!
Dell rep: Sorry, we don't offer refunds. The choice of your OS has been mandated by the Government. If you don't like it, talk to your State Attorney General.
Customer: ARRRRRGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!
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Microsoft is hated because they are big and popular and seen everywhere.
You just fill in reasons to hate the company after the fact to justify yourself.
Think about it...
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How is the job at McDonald's going?:)
The lead programmers probably don't care.
But the personality leaders(ESR, RMS, etc) certainly care and push the trolling to the edge of reason.
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http://www.theelectricchair.com/history.htm
"Edison's strategy was to convince everyone that Westinghouse's AC current was unsafe. He hired scientists to travel around and give public demonstrations of this by electrocuting cats, dogs, and horses with AC current. His ultimate victory came with New York State's switch from hanging to the electric chair, which was, of course, powered by a Westinghouse AC generator."
Edison wasn't really that great of a scientist, he was just exceptionally good at marketing his ideas and himself.
Carnegie, Rockefeller, Morgan, Edison... all great men, but ruthless as hell. Gates certainly follows in all of their footsteps.
That's interesting because I sometimes send emails to Mr. Thurott griping about his ridiculous anti-MS stances.
He's a much more fair and balanced reporter of news than any "editor" at slashdot, that's for sure. You'll notice he doesn't use a icon of a Penguin in front of a USSR flag as the logo for Linux stories.
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Why'd this get marked as a troll? He's absolutely correct.
Well what did you expect?
Microsoft has implemented a variety of security services that basically rely upon hiding some piece of information. They aren't important security things, but they don't want to make it easy for you to subvert.
Not so much the authentication services, but some of the anti-piracy measures, or some of the services which deal with a computer rather than a person.
The reality is this phrasing wasn't put there as a loophole to attack competition, but rather as wording for MS to protect some core pieces. They are not about to give up on that, and even if the court mandated a complete reversal on that phrasing, they would most likely succeed in another appeal.
What needs to happen is to make sure the wording is such that interoperability is not impacted. I thought that was the case from my reading of the other parts, but maybe it needs to be more specific.
Cnet is running a nice piece on Microsoft titled something like Conspiracy versus Reality. You've unfortunately consumed yourself with the conspiracy that you can't see the reality.
Then you look at other companies like Polaroid for an example of what happens when a big company doesn't realize it needs to change.
Why not VA?
Look at it from this perspective... He can get in on the ground floor with REALLY CHEAP stock options!
:-)
I don't believe the claim that JVM is a critical part of the modern web browser.
Now Flash... that I can see. I encounter far more(by a factor of 100x) flash enabled web sites than sites using Java.
Sun should either pay Microsoft to bundle their JVM, or Sun should start a marketing campaign to encourage people to download and install their JVM. If it's really that important of an issue, I'm sure Sun would be more than willing to address it with action instead of whining.
Where's my check?
I would have to say that you are the one who is logically bankrupt if you can't imagine why someone might disagree with you.
Ahh, allow me to repeat my point.
FUD may very well be subjective.
But the objective fact is that Windows XP does not have reduced support for MP3's.
Your argument was based off a series of claims, with a conclusion that because all of these claims were true then this was the result. I merely pointed out that not just one but many of your claims were factually incorrect, from a purely objective viewpoint. Even if you only agreed with one of the claims being incorrect, you cannot therefore conclude that the sum of those claims arrives at the same conclusion. Unless you are being subjective, that is.
The problem is, and the reason why the statement is FUD, is because, in fact, all of the claims have to be taken from a purely subjective point of view in order to arrive at the conclusion suggested.
I guess the point is. Don't try to be objective by being subjective.
Sorry. Whenever I think of those whiny bastards over at Sun my blood boils.
I'll try to be more positive in the future.
But that's ok because Judge Jackson clearly demonstrated contempt of his own court by talking to the media.
The basic point being that in and of itself showing contempt for the law isn't a crime. You just said so yourself, yet in your previous post you claimed that we should dismantle Microsoft because of this imaginary crime.
Hell I'd have contempt for the court too if I they were being driven by politics rather than reason, as was the Microsoft case.
Yep. But it's a 4 year old JVM from '97. Sun has refused to allow Microsoft to maintain or update it such that it's compliant with anything newer.
The point was, the complaints about this issue were FUD, pure and simple. It's a case of Sun claiming victory in the battle, but losing the war and then whining about it.
Well I think I've already proven, by your own words, that you have an utter contempt for the US justice system.
That's enough for today.
"Microsoft could be fined, oh, say, its entire net worth."
Which would then be overturned in the SCOTUS as being a completely unreasonable punishment for whatever crime was commited.
It's amazing how completely out of touch with reality people are.
So basically you agree with the settlement, you just have not read the settlement so you don't realize it?
Maybe you should go read the section titled Prohibited Conduct. Pay attention to subsection A and G.
Well now that we've had the FUD. Let's dish out a dose of reality, shall we?
XP doesn't have reduced support for MP3. It plays MP3s just fine, just like it has ever since Media Player came out. In fact it has enhanced support for MP3 over previous versions because you can buy a $10 plugin that'll let you encode in that format.
If you don't agree... Prove it. Show me an older version of Media Player which had better support for MP3 than what ships with XP.
Answer: You can't, because you are spreading FUD.
Just like the Netscape plugin issue, the JVM issue, etc. FUD FUD FUD.
BWaaaahahahaha!
I can see it now.
Customer: I don't understand this. I specifically ordered this system with Windows XP to be loaded on it. Why isn't Windows XP on it?
Dell rep: I'm sorry, but your machine shipped towards the end of the day and we had reached our quota for Windows XP. So we decided to install a substitute operating system.
Customer: But I didn't want AOL X! I don't even use AOL as my ISP. I can't do anything with this computer now! I'm sending it back!
Dell rep: Sorry, we don't offer refunds. The choice of your OS has been mandated by the Government. If you don't like it, talk to your State Attorney General.
Customer: ARRRRRGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!
Microsoft is hated because they are big and popular and seen everywhere.
You just fill in reasons to hate the company after the fact to justify yourself.
Think about it...
How is the job at McDonald's going? :)
The lead programmers probably don't care.
But the personality leaders(ESR, RMS, etc) certainly care and push the trolling to the edge of reason.
http://www.theelectricchair.com/history.htm
"Edison's strategy was to convince everyone that Westinghouse's AC current was unsafe. He hired scientists to travel around and give public demonstrations of this by electrocuting cats, dogs, and horses with AC current. His ultimate victory came with New York State's switch from hanging to the electric chair, which was, of course, powered by a Westinghouse AC generator."
Edison wasn't really that great of a scientist, he was just exceptionally good at marketing his ideas and himself.
Carnegie, Rockefeller, Morgan, Edison... all great men, but ruthless as hell. Gates certainly follows in all of their footsteps.
Yeah!
If I recall correctly when SP6 was noticed to affect Lotus Notes it took Microsoft 26 hours to respond!
Those bastards!!!!!!!!
The only good Apple is a dead Apple.
Wouldn't you agree?
There would be great shouts of anger. Oh those bastards, they do this because they do not want you dual booting!
:)
It's because they are a monopoly! They are purposefully targetting Linux partitions.
Ohhhh!!! AARRRGGHHH! Grand Conspiracy!
Yet here in these responses I see the simple realization that some idiot made a mistake writing the installation script.
Are you sure?
Are you sure it isn't Apple trying to subtly encourage people to use Microsoft's Media Player instead?
Actually Microsoft did fix all of these problems.
They decided to stop focusing on PPTP and integrate other forms of VPN into the OS.
Wouldn't it have been nice for you to realize this instead of going off and looking like a fool?
That's interesting because I sometimes send emails to Mr. Thurott griping about his ridiculous anti-MS stances.
He's a much more fair and balanced reporter of news than any "editor" at slashdot, that's for sure. You'll notice he doesn't use a icon of a Penguin in front of a USSR flag as the logo for Linux stories.
Windows XP Professional Upgrade $199
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Redhat Linux 7.2 Professional $199
http://www.redhat.com/marketplace/entry/7/index
Interesting how a FREE OS can cost so much!
I'm sorry if the competition has not been able to create a stable user-friendly consumer OS, or a word processor that produces decent HTML.
But fortunately we have the high-quality software from Microsoft to fill that void.