Re:Awaiting the Arrival of AmigaOS x86
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Really?
"680x0 Realtime Decoding
AmigaAMP can do realtime decoding even on slower 680x0 processors using Stephane Tavenard's highly optimized mpega.library. On a 68040-40 you can play Layer3 at half the sampling rate and with reduced quality. Full quality and sampling rate can be archieved with a 68060-50. "
DID YOU PAY ATTENTION TO THE HARDWARE REQUIREMENTS?
We were talking about the mythical 12 year old Amiga with 1 Meg of RAM.
Is that Microsoft listened to feedback from users and have designed Windows XP to have very few icons on the desktop. I haven't installed the latest beta but I think it may only have like one icon. I am not sure exactly why but I suspect it's because a large number of Win9x enabled desktops shipped with a whole lot of clutter and users didn't like that.
So Microsoft has said that icons should be only placed down in the Start Menu. It's very easy in recent versions to drag these icons down into the start tray or off onto the desktop, if the user wants easy access to those apps. This is a change from the way Win95 or NT4 worked.
So this is really about User preferences.
Now AOL has come out and said that they are going to not only install their broken piece of shit software on the machines, they are also going to spam the desktop with lot's of useless icons. Obviously they don't get it, but then they never have.
I don't understand Microsoft's position as to placing MSN icons out there as well. I guess they are taking the attitude... Well if you're going to destroy our OS, we want to be part of it.
Personally I'd rather just have a computer ship with a clean OS, and if they want to include extra crap to make my life easier, just throw a CD in the box and if I want it, I'll install it.
I always find it interesting how people quote the Founding Fathers as authority, even though in many cases they disagreed amongst each other. In other cases they were wrong and we had to Amend their decisions to correct them. Many times their comments are only valid within the timeframe that they had lived and we can see from historical perspective why that is the case. It all depends, often these same people on some other issue are quite willing to point out these deficiencies in blindly following our "gods."
One note of historical perspective... Right after the US achieved it's freedom and own form of government, the French attempted to do the same.
The French weren't quite so reasonable in their argumentation and many of the extremists took over the revolution. One aspect of this extremism was that all copyrights were revoked, and all information was totally free.
No publisher could afford to make the investment in printing something that was quickly copied by everybody else and sold for a fraction of the cost. The end result was an increase in the number of tabloid rags at the cost of real literature. Stuff so wild and ridiculous that it didn't matter if the content only lasted a day.
The French later realized that this was a bad thing.
"sitting around the fire like a gang of old Amiga enthusiasts dreaming about the comeback of Amiga and its rise to prominence is not the way to do it."
That has got to be the most insightful comment I've ever seen on slashdot.:)
As I recall at one time in 1996-1997 the way Sun was promoting Java was to be used for everything, including client apps like word processors and spreadsheets.
Their idea was you were going to deploy very dumb terminals which had a Java OS, i.e. a JVM and nothing much else. The fact that they only cost about $100 less than a PC was ignored by their Central Planning Agency.
Then you would connect to your server and download the code you needed to run.
This was called the Network computer or some such name.
It relied on two things:
- Large network pipes
- Java client code running faster
About this same time Corel announced they were going to port Wordperfect to Java to take advantage of this great idea. They spent about a year, and the result was something with the functionality of notepad.exe that made your Pentium 133 seem like it was a 386.
They subsequently dropped the idea.
The interesting thing about the network computer idea is that you could see where it was going. This was in a day and age where we had already realized that sharing application binaries on the file server was not a good idea. So you knew they were going to have to add a harddrive to cache code on the client to make it faster, then they'd probably start doing other things with it. Eventually you'd just end up with a regular microcomputer, so what was the point of going down that direction?
As someone who has supported Win3.1, Win95, OS/2, NT4 and most recently Win2k in various desktop and server configurations...
The only thing Win3.1 was even remotely stable doing was running a single application without network access. That's it, nothing else. Try to get any real work done, and it blows up.
Besides, uhh... embedded systems typically don't run Win3.1 because they have no need for a user interface.
Go back and reread the article. You obviously don't understand the technical details.
The Common Language Runtime and web services and so on DO NOT NEED PASSPORT!
Passport is simply a web service that Microsoft is offering which provides a single-signon. You don't have to use it, it's NOT required. You can use it if you want to.
It is amazing how eagerly people are willing to believe conspiracy theories.
This is an interesting commentary, and pretty close to accurate if we remove the psyhotic hallucinations from the story.
.Net is about taking computers to the next level where interoperability between systems(not OS, not language, but software systems) is easier to implement.
That is true.
Now why you think this immediately means Microsoft wants to hold all of your personal data on their servers, I have no clue. They have discussed some services they may make available, like an online scheduling/calendar in conjunction with hotmail.com.
But like any service, it is something you subscribe to and decide to participate with. Microsoft's hope is that you'll find it conveninient and want to use it. If not, then well what are you worried about?
You certainly charecterized why we use SQL databases today instead of flat files well. But again where do you get this idea that Microsoft wants to hold that data on their servers?
This certainly does not seem to be the case from reading the.Net literature which discusses tools that let *YOU* build your own applications to do whatever you want.
You then seem to fall into a really cool hallucination about Microsoft having the ultimate history of irresponsibility.
They certainly have a history of responsibility when it comes to privacy. Every accusation I've ever seen dating back to the Win95 registration process has turned out to be false.
They certainly have a history of producing high quality software. I don't know what software you've been using that you consider low quality.
You then claim that this software is rammed down users throats. Are you just gullible? I've never had software rammed down my throat.
After you puke, I'd suggest maybe toning down on the drinking and seek professional help.
Re:Awaiting the Arrival of AmigaOS x86
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Granted, that was cool in it's day.
But the reason it was necessary was because you had to jump through hoops to display something at 640x400 @ 4096 colors... the best resolution possible in the glory Amiga days.
I no longer need to do that. My screen is 1280x1024 @ 16 million colors. The jpg sits nicely in the bottom corner of the screen, and I can do other things at the same time...
Like looking at another jpg!
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Re:Awaiting the Arrival of AmigaOS x86
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Interesting. I don't know, but I do far more than that on my Win2k box and I only have a PIII-600 processor.
Sometimes during large compiles and such where the CPU hits 100% I will have problems with the mp3 player(musicmatch) skipping. The solution to this is simply increase the process priority for musicmatch.
Besides, on the Amiga I had you couldn't play MP3, much less record CD-RW.
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Re:Awaiting the Arrival of AmigaOS x86
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Really?
"680x0 Realtime Decoding
AmigaAMP can do realtime decoding even on slower 680x0 processors using Stephane Tavenard's highly optimized mpega.library. On a 68040-40 you can play Layer3 at half the sampling rate and with reduced quality. Full quality and sampling rate can be archieved with a 68060-50. "
DID YOU PAY ATTENTION TO THE HARDWARE REQUIREMENTS?
We were talking about the mythical 12 year old Amiga with 1 Meg of RAM.
Next time pay attention the context.
Next!
score order has nothing to do with the validity of the opinions.
You don't seem to understand.
The point was even in those days the cost of printing was not the signifigant obstacle to having content published.
It was the cost of creating the content. i.e. the scarcity of talent.
Is that Microsoft listened to feedback from users and have designed Windows XP to have very few icons on the desktop. I haven't installed the latest beta but I think it may only have like one icon. I am not sure exactly why but I suspect it's because a large number of Win9x enabled desktops shipped with a whole lot of clutter and users didn't like that.
So Microsoft has said that icons should be only placed down in the Start Menu. It's very easy in recent versions to drag these icons down into the start tray or off onto the desktop, if the user wants easy access to those apps. This is a change from the way Win95 or NT4 worked.
So this is really about User preferences.
Now AOL has come out and said that they are going to not only install their broken piece of shit software on the machines, they are also going to spam the desktop with lot's of useless icons. Obviously they don't get it, but then they never have.
I don't understand Microsoft's position as to placing MSN icons out there as well. I guess they are taking the attitude... Well if you're going to destroy our OS, we want to be part of it.
Personally I'd rather just have a computer ship with a clean OS, and if they want to include extra crap to make my life easier, just throw a CD in the box and if I want it, I'll install it.
Heh. Thanks for the laugh.
Debugging the Development Process, Code Complete, Rapid Development and a variety of other books from Microsoft Press.
The Mythical Man Month is another good book.
I don't recall Win3.1 being marketed as multitasking... I believe you are confusing it with Windows 95.
Kind of makes you think, don't it?
I always find it interesting how people quote the Founding Fathers as authority, even though in many cases they disagreed amongst each other. In other cases they were wrong and we had to Amend their decisions to correct them. Many times their comments are only valid within the timeframe that they had lived and we can see from historical perspective why that is the case. It all depends, often these same people on some other issue are quite willing to point out these deficiencies in blindly following our "gods."
One note of historical perspective... Right after the US achieved it's freedom and own form of government, the French attempted to do the same.
The French weren't quite so reasonable in their argumentation and many of the extremists took over the revolution. One aspect of this extremism was that all copyrights were revoked, and all information was totally free.
No publisher could afford to make the investment in printing something that was quickly copied by everybody else and sold for a fraction of the cost. The end result was an increase in the number of tabloid rags at the cost of real literature. Stuff so wild and ridiculous that it didn't matter if the content only lasted a day.
The French later realized that this was a bad thing.
It's important to learn from history...
"sitting around the fire like a gang of old Amiga enthusiasts dreaming about the comeback of Amiga and its rise to prominence is not the way to do it."
:)
That has got to be the most insightful comment I've ever seen on slashdot.
As I recall at one time in 1996-1997 the way Sun was promoting Java was to be used for everything, including client apps like word processors and spreadsheets.
Their idea was you were going to deploy very dumb terminals which had a Java OS, i.e. a JVM and nothing much else. The fact that they only cost about $100 less than a PC was ignored by their Central Planning Agency.
Then you would connect to your server and download the code you needed to run.
This was called the Network computer or some such name.
It relied on two things:
- Large network pipes
- Java client code running faster
About this same time Corel announced they were going to port Wordperfect to Java to take advantage of this great idea. They spent about a year, and the result was something with the functionality of notepad.exe that made your Pentium 133 seem like it was a 386.
They subsequently dropped the idea.
The interesting thing about the network computer idea is that you could see where it was going. This was in a day and age where we had already realized that sharing application binaries on the file server was not a good idea. So you knew they were going to have to add a harddrive to cache code on the client to make it faster, then they'd probably start doing other things with it. Eventually you'd just end up with a regular microcomputer, so what was the point of going down that direction?
It eventually died, thankfully.
Oh whatever.
As someone who has supported Win3.1, Win95, OS/2, NT4 and most recently Win2k in various desktop and server configurations...
The only thing Win3.1 was even remotely stable doing was running a single application without network access. That's it, nothing else. Try to get any real work done, and it blows up.
Besides, uhh... embedded systems typically don't run Win3.1 because they have no need for a user interface.
"we are all making Microsoft look like FUD amateurs "
What do you mean we?
I'm certainly not part of the FUD group, and by all appearances either are you.
Some people just aren't happy unless they can whine about something. Ignorance is bliss, and they are very blissful.
Wow the psychotic hallucinations are thick today on slashdot.
Now there's no need to be rude.
:)
Slashdot.org is a place for technical amusement. It's not a place to find technical accuracy.
Let the trolls and morons have their fun, we get the benefit of being able to laugh with them!
Or is it laughing at them? I can never tell.
Well I must congratulate you for an entertaining post.
But you continue the hallucinations.
I'm particularly amused by this claim that Win95 was less stable than Win3.1.
Thanks for the laughs, although I'm surprised this crap was modded up as insightful.
Haha!
:)
Yeah, pretty much.
Go back and reread the article. You obviously don't understand the technical details.
The Common Language Runtime and web services and so on DO NOT NEED PASSPORT!
Passport is simply a web service that Microsoft is offering which provides a single-signon. You don't have to use it, it's NOT required. You can use it if you want to.
It is amazing how eagerly people are willing to believe conspiracy theories.
Passport is a server service, not a client service. It's no more dependent upon Microsoft than sending HTML to the client browser.
.Net is a bunch of people jumping to ridiculous conclusions like you just did.
The only problem I have seen thus far with
This is an interesting commentary, and pretty close to accurate if we remove the psyhotic hallucinations from the story.
.Net literature which discusses tools that let *YOU* build your own applications to do whatever you want.
.Net is about taking computers to the next level where interoperability between systems(not OS, not language, but software systems) is easier to implement.
That is true.
Now why you think this immediately means Microsoft wants to hold all of your personal data on their servers, I have no clue. They have discussed some services they may make available, like an online scheduling/calendar in conjunction with hotmail.com.
But like any service, it is something you subscribe to and decide to participate with. Microsoft's hope is that you'll find it conveninient and want to use it. If not, then well what are you worried about?
You certainly charecterized why we use SQL databases today instead of flat files well. But again where do you get this idea that Microsoft wants to hold that data on their servers?
This certainly does not seem to be the case from reading the
You then seem to fall into a really cool hallucination about Microsoft having the ultimate history of irresponsibility.
They certainly have a history of responsibility when it comes to privacy. Every accusation I've ever seen dating back to the Win95 registration process has turned out to be false.
They certainly have a history of producing high quality software. I don't know what software you've been using that you consider low quality.
You then claim that this software is rammed down users throats. Are you just gullible? I've never had software rammed down my throat.
After you puke, I'd suggest maybe toning down on the drinking and seek professional help.
Granted, that was cool in it's day.
But the reason it was necessary was because you had to jump through hoops to display something at 640x400 @ 4096 colors... the best resolution possible in the glory Amiga days.
I no longer need to do that. My screen is 1280x1024 @ 16 million colors. The jpg sits nicely in the bottom corner of the screen, and I can do other things at the same time...
Like looking at another jpg!
Next!
Interesting. I don't know, but I do far more than that on my Win2k box and I only have a PIII-600 processor.
Sometimes during large compiles and such where the CPU hits 100% I will have problems with the mp3 player(musicmatch) skipping. The solution to this is simply increase the process priority for musicmatch.
Besides, on the Amiga I had you couldn't play MP3, much less record CD-RW.
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Not really.
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Aren't you supposed to suggest making a cluster out of these things?
Out of curiousity, what things could you do with an Amiga in 1mb of RAM that can't be done on a modern PC running Windows 2000?
I sure can't think of anything. By comparison today the Amiga had really pathetic sound and graphics.
Yeah, it was much cooler than the PC-XT clones at the time, but come on... let's get real here.
Sometimes the best way to handle a troll is to ignore them.
If you didn't notice from reading the "roundtable"... Bruce Perens was a troll.