Free as in Speech(which is a misnomer of it's own) implies Free as in Beer. Read the GPL and see what it says on your rights for redistribution of the work.
Also Stallman has made it pretty clear that he doesn't feel programmers should be paid. He rails about it, calling it greedy, etc. This is certainly the case in the early versions of the GNU Manifesto, although he's recently revised it to be less harsh. At any rate, I think it's clear especially after reading Levy's book what motivates Stallman and it is a desire to prevent people from making money off software.
"This board once was a great place full of insightful advocates of open source. MS saw this and waged a very succesfull war against slashdot. "
Heh. That's not true at all. I think I should know since I'm both a MS supporter and i've been here longer than yourself.
The reality is that Linux had it's day in the sun back in '98/'99. A lot of media hype went into it, and caused people to perk up.
They then investigated and found it to be unworthy.
Now you see a string of articles in the media pointing out why it is unworthy.
And the reaction of your crowd is not to go forth and fix those problems, but rather attack the messenger with venom and paranoia. Calling them "employees of MS" or whatever.
You know, Linux was so much more fun back before it attracted the anti-Microsoft crowd. That started to occur back in '96/'97 and coincided with the death of OS/2.
That was also the time when I abandoned Linux in favor of other alternatives, including Microsoft.
It's this ignorant attitude, the paranoia, the hysteria that seriously damages Linux more than any other item. It's the same problem the Amiga had, as did OS/2.
Interestingly I was a user of both of those systems as well.
One of the things that remains a life lesson was when I found out that there existed a problem in the AmigaDOS 2.04 upgrade which caused a large amount of my existing software to not function. This problem was only apparent on 68000 based machines. It was partly a fault of bad coding on the apps part, but even so the behavior changed from v1.3 to v2.0.
I posted this to comp.sys.amiga.misc back in the summer of 1992.
I was attacked with a vengeance for suggesting that there might be a problem with AmigaDOS. This consisted of approximately 400 messages to the newsgroup, and around 200 messages to my mail box.
The lesson learned. It's best not to deal with zealots.
It seems that this is mainly a question of discipline on the part of administrators. These boxes being hit by Code Red seem to come off cable modems and DSL lines. They are installations which were probably not done properly, are not maintained, and don't have the latest patches.
The same would also be true if these same users were using Linux, for the exact same reasons.
If you were to follow Linux security advisories you would see it is no more or less secure than anything produced by Microsoft or any other commercial software company.
Now maybe there are other alternatives out there. But like my VIC-20, many of them lack functionality.
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My public website has been hit about 20 times today.
However I monitor snmp logs on my Cisco DSL modem and it's been hit about 50 times today.
In both cases my web server is IIS, but it was never vulnerable to this worm even it was identified or MS released a patch, because I had properly installed the server.
Outlook XP as well as a patch available for Outlook 2000 attempts to solve this problem.
It blocks many different attachments based on their extension. It also notifies the user when they try to send such an attachment that it might be a bad idea.
If I try to send an email to someone from the Outlook Express news agent, there is a message box that pops up and states "This program is trying to use Outlook to send email, do you wish to allow this?"
This isn't quite as complicated as his proposal to authenticate and tie applications down to the socket, but it is very effective. Further this type of tie down is a fundamental design change for the TCP/IP network stack and would probably end up breaking an awful lot of current applications. Of course then when only Outlook Express worked, everybody would accuse Microsoft of purposefully breaking apps to promote their stuff.
So it's basically a no-win situation for Microsoft(or any other vendor), and they just have to do their best to solve a problem and not get in the way of the consumer.
Honestly, I don't know what else people expect Microsoft to do. This functionality to lock down Outlook was introduced as a patch to Outlook 2000 last year. It's built into Outlook XP by default.
Sadly most people don't use the patch.
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"While AmigaOS may not be 10 years ahead of it's time as it was in 1985, it's availability for the x86 platform is great news. [...] Criticize it all you want but you could do things with 3D animation under AmigaOS in 1mb of RAM (and no internal hard drive) that you'd still be hard pressed to do on your adverace home PC under Windows 2000. "
Perhaps reading this site will help:
http://www.rong-chang.com/
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Glad to see you are still trolling/.
Please go back and reread the entire thread before responding further. You just keep making yourself look like a fool.
Here's the start of it:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=01/07/29/022 32 25&cid=42
I never misquoted you, I was quoting the original author.
Sheesh what a maroon.
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Such hostility!
Maybe you should go back and reread the thread next time before butting your nose into something you clearly have no understanding of.
I don't believe there is any doubt that you as the author of software hold the copyright.
That part of the GPL will always be enforceable, because it's not really the GPL but rather just straight copyright.
The problem lies in that NuSphere wrote custom software of their own, and the GPL forces them to relinquish their copyright control over there own creation because they happened to derive their final product from the mySQL stuff.
It's this conflict that is likely the basis of any GPL enforceability question.
Neither of these points is particularly valid, because they ignore the fact that the scarcity that IP protects is one of creation. It does so by insuring the creator has control over any and all production of the idea.
It seems as though people complaining about IP end up into a pattern of formulating very weak arguments whenever they talk about scarcity of resources.
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That's quite possible.
But again, the original poster wasn't talking about the A4000, which came stock with 2 Megs of chip ram anyway. He/She/It specifically mentioned a machine with 1 Meg of RAM.
So we're talking A500/2000/3000 model computers...
But I am curious about this revelation that Java abandoned the native GUI APIs and wrote SWING to access stuff at such a low level. This seems as though it would provide for consistency, but at a terrible risk of performance.
I honestly don't encounter very much Java stuff. About the only thing I do use is Oracle tools, which in the latest versions of 8i have been rewritten in Java, especially their installer, etc.
I don't know if they are using Swing in the 8.1.7 client tools, but I have found their GUI tools to be incredibly slow and cumbersome. Granted some of this is because Oracle doesn't hire very good programmers when it comes to GUI work. But it does seem to me like the JVM is the guilty party when it comes to the speed issues.
Do you have any examples of a good GUI app written using Swing that I could see?
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I guess I'd like to see you point that out with more venom, I really would.
Zip disks? Christ, I remember the rollout of the Amiga 1000 and the original bouncing ball demo. Later on when I was President of an Amiga Users' Group we had these fancy things called 40 Meg harddrives from Supra. Zip disks? What era did your Amiga exist in?
"Is there nothing the 12 year old Amiga with 1 meg of RAM can't do?"
Well yes, play MP3s and burn CD-R for example, not without signifigant modifications to the stock system.
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Uhh... DUDE! Fire is a physical reality.
:)
Comparing a physical reality to an idea is irrelevant.
You said so yourself.
I don't think what he said was a mistake.
Free as in Speech(which is a misnomer of it's own) implies Free as in Beer. Read the GPL and see what it says on your rights for redistribution of the work.
Also Stallman has made it pretty clear that he doesn't feel programmers should be paid. He rails about it, calling it greedy, etc. This is certainly the case in the early versions of the GNU Manifesto, although he's recently revised it to be less harsh. At any rate, I think it's clear especially after reading Levy's book what motivates Stallman and it is a desire to prevent people from making money off software.
What standard would you like to hold Microsoft to?
Yes, their header files are copyrighted, so is the compiler and the libraries, etc.
But which provision of the Visual C++ license do you find remotely similar to that from the bison example?
"This board once was a great place full of insightful advocates of open source. MS saw this and waged a very succesfull war against slashdot. "
Heh. That's not true at all. I think I should know since I'm both a MS supporter and i've been here longer than yourself.
The reality is that Linux had it's day in the sun back in '98/'99. A lot of media hype went into it, and caused people to perk up.
They then investigated and found it to be unworthy.
Now you see a string of articles in the media pointing out why it is unworthy.
And the reaction of your crowd is not to go forth and fix those problems, but rather attack the messenger with venom and paranoia. Calling them "employees of MS" or whatever.
You know, Linux was so much more fun back before it attracted the anti-Microsoft crowd. That started to occur back in '96/'97 and coincided with the death of OS/2.
That was also the time when I abandoned Linux in favor of other alternatives, including Microsoft.
It's this ignorant attitude, the paranoia, the hysteria that seriously damages Linux more than any other item. It's the same problem the Amiga had, as did OS/2.
Interestingly I was a user of both of those systems as well.
One of the things that remains a life lesson was when I found out that there existed a problem in the AmigaDOS 2.04 upgrade which caused a large amount of my existing software to not function. This problem was only apparent on 68000 based machines. It was partly a fault of bad coding on the apps part, but even so the behavior changed from v1.3 to v2.0.
I posted this to comp.sys.amiga.misc back in the summer of 1992.
I was attacked with a vengeance for suggesting that there might be a problem with AmigaDOS. This consisted of approximately 400 messages to the newsgroup, and around 200 messages to my mail box.
The lesson learned. It's best not to deal with zealots.
I sold my Amiga the next month.
IIS consists of:
Web Server
FTP Server
Indexing server
SMTP server
NNTP server
and maybe a slew of other things, if you consider IIS4 shipped with MTS and MSMQ.
So in comparing IIS to Apache you are limiting the scope of the argument, which might seem clever to you, but is unfair.
How many exploits have their been to mail and ftp servers on Linux?
Isn't this what an IT department should be doing?
If the marketing department had installed a default install of RedHat 6.2 without patching it'd also be full of holes.
But would this have magically made the marketing department more clueful?
I don't see how.
Where is this statement that "sysadmins are not needed" located on the MS website?
It seems that this is mainly a question of discipline on the part of administrators. These boxes being hit by Code Red seem to come off cable modems and DSL lines. They are installations which were probably not done properly, are not maintained, and don't have the latest patches.
The same would also be true if these same users were using Linux, for the exact same reasons.
If you were to follow Linux security advisories you would see it is no more or less secure than anything produced by Microsoft or any other commercial software company.
Now maybe there are other alternatives out there. But like my VIC-20, many of them lack functionality.
The D in FUD is Doubt.
Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt
So after the last 20 root exploits of Linux and Apache, we shouldn't use that either?
Hmm. I guess that means I'm back to my VIC-20!
You can't install the FTP Service without IIS.
You can install the FTP Service without the WWW Service, however.
These are important distinctions that it doesn't seem you grok.
Heh. Read the website, study the language.
Get back to me when you learn how to communicate.
My public website has been hit about 20 times today.
However I monitor snmp logs on my Cisco DSL modem and it's been hit about 50 times today.
In both cases my web server is IIS, but it was never vulnerable to this worm even it was identified or MS released a patch, because I had properly installed the server.
Outlook XP as well as a patch available for Outlook 2000 attempts to solve this problem.
It blocks many different attachments based on their extension. It also notifies the user when they try to send such an attachment that it might be a bad idea.
It's described in MSKB article Q290497.
I'm using Outlook XP at home on a Win2k box.
If I try to send an email to someone from the Outlook Express news agent, there is a message box that pops up and states "This program is trying to use Outlook to send email, do you wish to allow this?"
This isn't quite as complicated as his proposal to authenticate and tie applications down to the socket, but it is very effective. Further this type of tie down is a fundamental design change for the TCP/IP network stack and would probably end up breaking an awful lot of current applications. Of course then when only Outlook Express worked, everybody would accuse Microsoft of purposefully breaking apps to promote their stuff.
So it's basically a no-win situation for Microsoft(or any other vendor), and they just have to do their best to solve a problem and not get in the way of the consumer.
Honestly, I don't know what else people expect Microsoft to do. This functionality to lock down Outlook was introduced as a patch to Outlook 2000 last year. It's built into Outlook XP by default.
Sadly most people don't use the patch.
"While AmigaOS may not be 10 years ahead of it's time as it was in 1985, it's availability for the x86 platform is great news. [...] Criticize it all you want but you could do things with 3D animation under AmigaOS in 1mb of RAM (and no internal hard drive) that you'd still be hard pressed to do on your adverace home PC under Windows 2000. "
Perhaps reading this site will help:
http://www.rong-chang.com/
Glad to see you are still trolling /.
2 32 25&cid=42
Please go back and reread the entire thread before responding further. You just keep making yourself look like a fool.
Here's the start of it:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=01/07/29/02
I never misquoted you, I was quoting the original author.
Sheesh what a maroon.
Such hostility!
Maybe you should go back and reread the thread next time before butting your nose into something you clearly have no understanding of.
Thanks!
I swear Dell started offering machines with Linux back in 1999.
For those of us who have been around a while, Dell used to ship their own version of Unix SVR4 back in the early 90's.
Unix is nothing new to them, they just haven't had much success selling it.
Ok... You are aware that you aren't supposed to stand on laptops in order to reach up on the bookshelf right?
:)
We once had a user that did that. Stood on his laptop bag in order to reach up on a bookshelf.
The damage you describe is identical... bad display, busted keyboard.
Warranties are supposed to cover manufacturing defects. Not user stupidity.
I don't believe there is any doubt that you as the author of software hold the copyright.
That part of the GPL will always be enforceable, because it's not really the GPL but rather just straight copyright.
The problem lies in that NuSphere wrote custom software of their own, and the GPL forces them to relinquish their copyright control over there own creation because they happened to derive their final product from the mySQL stuff.
It's this conflict that is likely the basis of any GPL enforceability question.
Neither of these points is particularly valid, because they ignore the fact that the scarcity that IP protects is one of creation. It does so by insuring the creator has control over any and all production of the idea.
It seems as though people complaining about IP end up into a pattern of formulating very weak arguments whenever they talk about scarcity of resources.
That's quite possible.
But again, the original poster wasn't talking about the A4000, which came stock with 2 Megs of chip ram anyway. He/She/It specifically mentioned a machine with 1 Meg of RAM.
So we're talking A500/2000/3000 model computers...
Now normally I'm a troll...
But I am curious about this revelation that Java abandoned the native GUI APIs and wrote SWING to access stuff at such a low level. This seems as though it would provide for consistency, but at a terrible risk of performance.
I honestly don't encounter very much Java stuff. About the only thing I do use is Oracle tools, which in the latest versions of 8i have been rewritten in Java, especially their installer, etc.
I don't know if they are using Swing in the 8.1.7 client tools, but I have found their GUI tools to be incredibly slow and cumbersome. Granted some of this is because Oracle doesn't hire very good programmers when it comes to GUI work. But it does seem to me like the JVM is the guilty party when it comes to the speed issues.
Do you have any examples of a good GUI app written using Swing that I could see?
I guess I'd like to see you point that out with more venom, I really would.
Zip disks? Christ, I remember the rollout of the Amiga 1000 and the original bouncing ball demo. Later on when I was President of an Amiga Users' Group we had these fancy things called 40 Meg harddrives from Supra. Zip disks? What era did your Amiga exist in?
"Is there nothing the 12 year old Amiga with 1 meg of RAM can't do?"
Well yes, play MP3s and burn CD-R for example, not without signifigant modifications to the stock system.
The hardware just wasn't fast enough...
Next!