In Windows XP if a user is currently logged into a machine and has the machine locked... You can still logon as yourself and do stuff without interrupting the other users session.
You can leave yourself logged in, and at the logon window it will list the users with open sessions and you can select between them.
Do you remember when voice recognition was first being discussed? It was 10 years ago, at least.
But it had limitations because of processing power. As the hardware became faster, it became more easily possible to do voice recognition.
Do you remember when Wolfenstein 3D came out? How about Doom? Quake?
Again, as the video cards became faster and more capable of handling the 3D texturing the games became more full featured graphically.
Speaking of 3D, do you remember when Jurassic Park came out? How incredible the images of the Dinosaurs were? Or even Terminator 2 and how incredible the morphing terminator was.
All of these things were possible because of faster/better/cheaper hardware.
It wasn't because the programmers were lousy, or the design sucked. It was because they wanted to do something and that something required more power!
I've been using personal computers since 1982 when my VIC-20 had 5K of RAM and ran at 1Mhz. Do you seriously want to go back to using a machine like that?
Windows XP will not be the first MS OS with a standard TCP/IP stack.
I know Windows 2000 falls into that category, and I suspect this is a trait that has been part of the NT line for quite some time, but I have no direct proof of that other than we do IP spoofing using NT4 at work for testing.
The only reason Steve Gibson got his undies in a bunch about this was because now HOME USERS will have STANDARD TCP/IP stacks that they can EXPLOIT.
[sorry had to throw in some weird upper case to sound wild-assed like Mr. Gibson]
I've noticed many Open Source advocates resort to pretty weak arguments to try to further their point.
Generally the chief one is in defense of the GPL they point to all the wonderful Open Source software that has created the Internet. BIND, Apache, Sendmail, etc. They do this without acknowledging the fact that none of this software has been released under the GPL, rather it is the non-GPL nature of the software that it is successful.
In the Silicon Valley forum the most disturbing point came when Craig Schmidt asked Bruce Perens a question about earning a living with Open Source.
"Bruce, Your argument that the best business model for open source software is to sell hardware (or something else) may be correct, but it is disheartening to someone who would like to just make software products. "
Bruce didn't acknowledge the point Craig was making but rather told him he should get over it and go do this other type of work that Craig already said he didn't like doing.
"Craig,
Consider consulting for one of these companies that profits from the use rather than the sale of software. There is also some chance that a subscription scheme will work for you if your value-add is extremely high - this seems to work for an electronics CAD business that provides a time-to-market advantage to their customers by exercising the latest capabilities of the chip fab, but service is also an important component of their business."
I leave it up to an excercise to the reader to understand why Bruce's response felt like Marxism to me.
I love point #1. In.edu domains back in 1999 there was a bunch of Linux machines being used. Like.edu or 1999 results really matter!:)
Point #2 is funny... Of course Windows was the #1 server being used and outnumbered Linux 2 to 1.:)
I especially love point #4... Gartner produced a survey that said Linux is hardly being deployed in data centers... But it's been widely discredited.
How has it been discredited? Well nothing really factual. Nobody really did any similar surveys to prove a counter-point. No instead 300 slobs living in their mothers basement posted to slashdot.org claiming it had to be made up.
But take this in conjunction with point #3. It's funny how readily the guy believes this despite the fact that it has also been widely discredited in exactly the same way as point #4. Well except the guys who discredited it live in apartments rather than momma's basement.:)
Oh then there is the wonderful Urban Legend of the Linux world told just after Point #4. I speak, of course, about the Navy ship failure. That's actually been discredited by 300 geeks who own their own homes rather than live in momma's basement.:)
Then he goes on to compare IIS against Tux in terms of Performance after he just got done comparing IIS to Apache in terms of reliability. I love this! It is one of the fatal flaws of a similar paper written by Kirch and archived at unix-v-nt.org. Only he compares reliability of commercial Unix installations and then immediately extends this to claim Linux is equally as fast and reliable.:)
Oh in point #2 of the performance area he forgot to mention the "Free" Linux solution cost over twice what the "Forsale" Microsoft solution cost, and had slightly less than double the performance increase. He also didn't mention that the Microsoft software solution was almost a year older than the Linux one.
Heh. Then he falls into Urban Legend #2. Mindcraft was biased... Oh yeah, despite the fact that similar results were obtained by other independent benchmarks that showed serious flaws in the Linux kernel.
It is nice to see some persons who appreciate music come out and explain the differences between these formats and just how much of the music you actually lose.
Compression is convenient, but it is no replacement for the originals.
Do you seriously think the Add/Remove program list will actually remove the core IE functionality?
Get real. IE functionality is embedded all throughout Windows XP, Office, Money, numerous third party apps, etc.
Think customers are going to be happy when Active Directory doesn't work? Nope...
All they'll be doing is removing iexplore.exe and the icon, the core of IE which is essentially the HTML rendering engine will still exist on the machine in the form of COM objects.
There is no difference between what MS does, or Sun or IBM or GE.
Actually a far worse company than Microsoft is Oracle, but they never get any attention placed on them. There is also no CEO more driven, aggressive, mean-spirited or down right evil than Larry Ellison.
Well maybe Steve Jobs, but he's only dangerous to himself.
Linus Torvalds didn't create Linux because of Microsoft.
He created Linux because he wanted something better than Minix, but couldn't afford to go out and buy any of the Commercial Unices of the time.
I can't remember what all was around back then. I recall SCO Unix and there were several SVR4 releases. I don't recall when Unixware and BSDi entered the market...
But in '92 if you wanted Unix on your desktop that mean paying at least $600, but more often close to $3,000 or so if you wanted a C compiler, etc.
This anti-Microsoft thing didn't start happening until much much later, and it wasn't Mr. Torvalds driving it.
There's few of us around who remember this, it seems.
Once I can buy a 200 Gig harddrive for a reasonable price, I for one am not going to waste my time ripping my CD's to MP3 when I can just store them in some raw audio format... WAV or whatever.
I think you have the right point, but you are guilty of the same assumptions.:)
It's very cheap today to put a Gigabyte of RAM in a machine. I wouldn't mind throwing a terabyte of drive space in my server at home for $100.:)
Still the one big problem that I see is backup storage has not progressed similarly. Tape is still very expensive consider the larger sizes of drives today. I guess now that harddrives appear to be more reliable fewer people worry about this. I still have a 2 Gig DAT drive, yet I have 12 gigs in my server. It's slow and painful.
I'm a little bit confused. Well first of all most of the pages linked to from that Linda page come back with 404.
I'm also a bit unclear what you mean regarding asynchronous components. If I read you correctly, COM+ already supports this by way of queued components. It's simply implemented on top of message queues, which is a very good mechanism for asynchronous communication.
From that articles point of view they are comparable with C# only being slightly slower in memory access.
It's difficult to say because Microsoft technically disallows published benchmarks.
As far as your concern regarding security of the data. Yes being XML it is sent essentionally as text. Even if it was binary data it still would not be safe without the use of SSL.
I don't think it's unreasonable to assume a company would wish to use SSL or perhaps a VPN or even a leased line. I also don't think it's unreasonable for Microsoft to make this assumption, certainly if they had implemented a different solution they would have been accused of subverting standards, whatever.
For my part, I really could care less about Web Services. What I'm most interested in is how they've improved the languages and the development environment for web apps, etc.
A country which doesn't respect intellectual property laws is found not respecting the GPL.
Really?
Wow, and not too long ago people were all applauding China's adoption of Linux. Didn't realize that it was solely because they could get something for nothing without being accused of piracy?
Slashdot Mirror
In Windows XP if a user is currently logged into a machine and has the machine locked... You can still logon as yourself and do stuff without interrupting the other users session.
You can leave yourself logged in, and at the logon window it will list the users with open sessions and you can select between them.
Do you remember when voice recognition was first being discussed? It was 10 years ago, at least.
But it had limitations because of processing power. As the hardware became faster, it became more easily possible to do voice recognition.
Do you remember when Wolfenstein 3D came out? How about Doom? Quake?
Again, as the video cards became faster and more capable of handling the 3D texturing the games became more full featured graphically.
Speaking of 3D, do you remember when Jurassic Park came out? How incredible the images of the Dinosaurs were? Or even Terminator 2 and how incredible the morphing terminator was.
All of these things were possible because of faster/better/cheaper hardware.
It wasn't because the programmers were lousy, or the design sucked. It was because they wanted to do something and that something required more power!
I've been using personal computers since 1982 when my VIC-20 had 5K of RAM and ran at 1Mhz. Do you seriously want to go back to using a machine like that?
I think you need to obtain the Beta and play with it.
XP has some incredibly nice features, such as the multi-user desktop, etc.
Windows XP will not be the first MS OS with a standard TCP/IP stack.
I know Windows 2000 falls into that category, and I suspect this is a trait that has been part of the NT line for quite some time, but I have no direct proof of that other than we do IP spoofing using NT4 at work for testing.
The only reason Steve Gibson got his undies in a bunch about this was because now HOME USERS will have STANDARD TCP/IP stacks that they can EXPLOIT.
[sorry had to throw in some weird upper case to sound wild-assed like Mr. Gibson]
Whoops. Yep, Queen/Bowie.
;(
Got that confused with 'Dancing in the Streets'.
I've noticed many Open Source advocates resort to pretty weak arguments to try to further their point.
Generally the chief one is in defense of the GPL they point to all the wonderful Open Source software that has created the Internet. BIND, Apache, Sendmail, etc. They do this without acknowledging the fact that none of this software has been released under the GPL, rather it is the non-GPL nature of the software that it is successful.
In the Silicon Valley forum the most disturbing point came when Craig Schmidt asked Bruce Perens a question about earning a living with Open Source.
"Bruce, Your argument that the best business model for open source software is to sell hardware (or something else) may be correct, but it is disheartening to someone who would like to just make software products. "
Bruce didn't acknowledge the point Craig was making but rather told him he should get over it and go do this other type of work that Craig already said he didn't like doing.
"Craig,
Consider consulting for one of these companies that profits from the use rather than the sale of software. There is also some chance that a subscription scheme will work for you if your value-add is extremely high - this seems to work for an electronics CAD business that provides a time-to-market advantage to their customers by exercising the latest capabilities of the chip fab, but service is also an important component of their business."
I leave it up to an excercise to the reader to understand why Bruce's response felt like Marxism to me.
I love point #1. In .edu domains back in 1999 there was a bunch of Linux machines being used. Like .edu or 1999 results really matter! :)
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Point #2 is funny... Of course Windows was the #1 server being used and outnumbered Linux 2 to 1.
I especially love point #4... Gartner produced a survey that said Linux is hardly being deployed in data centers... But it's been widely discredited.
How has it been discredited? Well nothing really factual. Nobody really did any similar surveys to prove a counter-point. No instead 300 slobs living in their mothers basement posted to slashdot.org claiming it had to be made up.
But take this in conjunction with point #3. It's funny how readily the guy believes this despite the fact that it has also been widely discredited in exactly the same way as point #4. Well except the guys who discredited it live in apartments rather than momma's basement.
Oh then there is the wonderful Urban Legend of the Linux world told just after Point #4. I speak, of course, about the Navy ship failure. That's actually been discredited by 300 geeks who own their own homes rather than live in momma's basement.
Then he goes on to compare IIS against Tux in terms of Performance after he just got done comparing IIS to Apache in terms of reliability. I love this! It is one of the fatal flaws of a similar paper written by Kirch and archived at unix-v-nt.org. Only he compares reliability of commercial Unix installations and then immediately extends this to claim Linux is equally as fast and reliable.
Oh in point #2 of the performance area he forgot to mention the "Free" Linux solution cost over twice what the "Forsale" Microsoft solution cost, and had slightly less than double the performance increase. He also didn't mention that the Microsoft software solution was almost a year older than the Linux one.
Heh. Then he falls into Urban Legend #2. Mindcraft was biased... Oh yeah, despite the fact that similar results were obtained by other independent benchmarks that showed serious flaws in the Linux kernel.
The TCO section had me on the floor laughing.
Ohwell, thanks for the laugh!
It is nice to see some persons who appreciate music come out and explain the differences between these formats and just how much of the music you actually lose.
Compression is convenient, but it is no replacement for the originals.
I don't see how you can possibly call the software produced by Oracle to be "great", and the software produced by Microsoft to be "mediocre."
You've severely mischaracterized both individuals. The only explanation I can think of is that you do not use either companies products.
You must be young, or at least you don't remember the lawsuit filed by Bowie/Jagger against Vanilla Ice for sampling 'Under Pressure'.
Do you understand what the implications to the computer industry would have been had Apple won it's lawsuit?
It had no merit and would have stagnated the industry.
It would have been like Ford suing Chevy in 1927 because they copied the look and feel of the Model T by making their car black with 4 wheels.
It amazes me how ignorant people are sometimes, they just wish to attack Microsoft without really understanding the alternative.
Do you seriously think the Add/Remove program list will actually remove the core IE functionality?
Get real. IE functionality is embedded all throughout Windows XP, Office, Money, numerous third party apps, etc.
Think customers are going to be happy when Active Directory doesn't work? Nope...
All they'll be doing is removing iexplore.exe and the icon, the core of IE which is essentially the HTML rendering engine will still exist on the machine in the form of COM objects.
Wow are you ever out of touch with reality.
you might want to cut back on that Guinness.
I was going to say...
There is no difference between what MS does, or Sun or IBM or GE.
Actually a far worse company than Microsoft is Oracle, but they never get any attention placed on them. There is also no CEO more driven, aggressive, mean-spirited or down right evil than Larry Ellison.
Well maybe Steve Jobs, but he's only dangerous to himself.
No...
Linus Torvalds didn't create Linux because of Microsoft.
He created Linux because he wanted something better than Minix, but couldn't afford to go out and buy any of the Commercial Unices of the time.
I can't remember what all was around back then. I recall SCO Unix and there were several SVR4 releases. I don't recall when Unixware and BSDi entered the market...
But in '92 if you wanted Unix on your desktop that mean paying at least $600, but more often close to $3,000 or so if you wanted a C compiler, etc.
This anti-Microsoft thing didn't start happening until much much later, and it wasn't Mr. Torvalds driving it.
There's few of us around who remember this, it seems.
MP3? MP3!?
:)
:)
Once I can buy a 200 Gig harddrive for a reasonable price, I for one am not going to waste my time ripping my CD's to MP3 when I can just store them in some raw audio format... WAV or whatever.
I think you have the right point, but you are guilty of the same assumptions.
It's very cheap today to put a Gigabyte of RAM in a machine. I wouldn't mind throwing a terabyte of drive space in my server at home for $100.
Still the one big problem that I see is backup storage has not progressed similarly. Tape is still very expensive consider the larger sizes of drives today. I guess now that harddrives appear to be more reliable fewer people worry about this. I still have a 2 Gig DAT drive, yet I have 12 gigs in my server. It's slow and painful.
Oh, I was going to say...
No I don't remember any of that.
I also don't remember any of the ebay outages either.
Or the slashdot outage couple weeks ago, etc.
Ok, actually yes I rememeber. But it hasn't stopped me from continuing to use the web sites.
Well except AOL, but I've never used that horror.
I don't care about the guns. It's the bullets that I can't dodge.
Java isn't an Open standard.
I'm a little bit confused. Well first of all most of the pages linked to from that Linda page come back with 404.
I'm also a bit unclear what you mean regarding asynchronous components. If I read you correctly, COM+ already supports this by way of queued components. It's simply implemented on top of message queues, which is a very good mechanism for asynchronous communication.
"If Free Software developers can get a version of .NET that is as good or better than the Microsoft version at the same time (or before) "
:)
Ahh the optimism of youth.
When is Mozilla releasing version 1.0?
In terms of performance, I found this article a month or so ago that sort of compares and benchmarks Java versus C#:
a sp
http://www.codeproject.com/useritems/sharphsql.
From that articles point of view they are comparable with C# only being slightly slower in memory access.
It's difficult to say because Microsoft technically disallows published benchmarks.
As far as your concern regarding security of the data. Yes being XML it is sent essentionally as text. Even if it was binary data it still would not be safe without the use of SSL.
I don't think it's unreasonable to assume a company would wish to use SSL or perhaps a VPN or even a leased line. I also don't think it's unreasonable for Microsoft to make this assumption, certainly if they had implemented a different solution they would have been accused of subverting standards, whatever.
For my part, I really could care less about Web Services. What I'm most interested in is how they've improved the languages and the development environment for web apps, etc.
Passport is a unified authentication system, not a subscription-based service.
.Net, not really part of .Net.
You are thinking of Hailstorm.
Actually I'd say Hailstorm is possible because of
A country which doesn't respect intellectual property laws is found not respecting the GPL.
Really?
Wow, and not too long ago people were all applauding China's adoption of Linux. Didn't realize that it was solely because they could get something for nothing without being accused of piracy?
Umm, Compaq is pretty clueless when it comes to software development.
Over the years at companies I've been at we've tried to implement some of these desktop and server management tools.
They usually work, but not always and are sometimes more frustrating to try to setup than actually use.