Maybe the fact it was a tasteless attack on an honorable four star general!
But why the right-wing attacks? They're used to attacking service members, even decorated ones, officers, generals.
Sorry, but the vast majority of America knows how kooky MoveOn.org and Daily Kos are. It's too late for them. Politically, they're a bunch of rats doing down a sinking ship. Ideologically speaking that is...
That's why Bush is polling at around 28%, right? Because of leftwing criticism of a brilliant war leader?
From what I've read moveon offered to pay the full rate... $140k instead of $70k or something like that. Nobody required that.
But it was more of a big FUCK YOU move to the right-wing kooks who had been complaining. Considering Moveon brought in several million dollars in contributions following the attacks on the ad, they could easily afford it.
It's still interesting that the original charges laid out by moveon were never addressed. I guess I would like to see this Collins ad to see if it deals with the issues, or if it is another conspiracy rant about ad prices.
What do you mean? It is a closed subject? The thought police will arrest me for discussing it?
Did I say that? I said the horse is dead. You can't beat it any more.
Someone obviously told MoveOn to pay back before accusations could start flying all around the company and even the country. In fact, that suspicion is the whole reason this subject was posted at Slashdot in the first place. If things were a simple matter of a payment mistake between two companies, why reporting it? What's next, an executive from Apple paid more for its meal and got the money back? Who cares?
It's pretty simple. The people making the accusations never bothered to actually call up the New york Times and find out what the rate would be for a non-profit issue ad on standby.
This kind of illegal financing of advocacy groups, using other people's money, is very common and lots of left-wing people are engaged in such practices. And those organizations often these breaches in the system to fulfill their financing needs. After all, "it's all for the greater good".
no conspiracy, nobody is out to get you. you can put away the tinfoil beanie, and come out of the basement bunker.
Moveon received the regular rate for running an ad, in what they call standby. The only thing that might be a bit out of the ordinary, is that the NYTimes called them back and said 'Well it looks like we have room on monday, so your ad should run.'
The article mentions anti-Blackwater and anti-Exxon ads as being "permitted" by Google, but it doesn't say whether or not the companies have requested takedowns.
I did a search for blackwater and exxon and found no ads in either case.
Can someone give a real example, or do we have to rely on all this anecdotal evidence that can't be substantiated?
It's really big news when the Ad was political critisism of another political group. If it were anything on the move on.org side, people would be screaming censorship.
It appears they are screaming censorship in this case.
And to think that a group who pulls underhanded tactics i the name of free speech would be the ones to personally attempt to stop it when someone else is doing it. Nice insight Moveon
How is moveon underhanded? Are they accusing General Patreaus of shooting himself?
Actually moveon is being stupid, if they did indeed try to stop the ad. They should have embraced it instead. When the Republicans attacked their Patraeus ad, they brought in several million in fund-raising.
Google is liberal. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's obvious. They filter information in a biased way, too. If you look at the fringe sites they allow onto google news, its matches their political views. No right wing nuts, plenty of left wing nuts.
That hasn't been my experience. Google is a business. I get ads for right-wing nuts hawking books through gmail.com all the time. You got money, they'll post your ad.
In this case, I fully suspect it's because they tried to place the ad as a sponsored link on the side of search terms. The rules are different there, and they care more about trademarks and such, because they don't want peoples searches being overrun with competitors ads.
Perhaps Osama bin Laden is using a Laptop right now running Ubuntu while planning his next escapade.
Can we really ever know? Obviously the anti-Ubuntu advocacy ad has a place in this debate, by opening up this question, it allows Ubuntu to clear themselves of any wrongdoing.
Collins is a Republican Senator from Maine, and faces a hard choice in her 2008 reelection bid.
Maine is a fairly moderate state, and Collins is in a position very similar to Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island. That is, in order to appeal to the voters of Maine she has to take reasonably moderate positions. However, in order to maintain her status as a card carrying Republican, she has to appeal to the kooks.
Chafee in trying to appeal to the moderates of Rhode Island, made the kooks in the Republican party angry. So they launched a primary challenger against him in the name of Stephen Laffey. This primary challenger weakened Chafee's position, because it pointed out to independents in the state just how kooky the Republicans have become. So despite years of services, a solid reputation, he lost pretty handidly.
Collins doesn't want the same thing ot happen to her. So to fend off a primary challenge, she's trying to establish her credentials with the kooks. Picking something innocuous that nobody really knows or cares about, she's decided to attack moveon.org. Had she instead decided to champion their latest nutty cause of attacking 12 year olds for speaking in favor of SCHIP, that might have gotten her some negative press back home with regular people and that's not good. So by attacking something the kooks hate, that normal people don't really care about, she's in safe territory.
Just getting the ad out on google.com wouldn't have been enough, because nobody would have paid much attention to it. So it was necessary to place the ad in such a way as to cause it to be rejected. But not too whacko, using bad language would have drawn attention to regular people. So they lucked out on this trademark infringement thing.
Because if there is nothing the kooks love more(left, right, it doesn't matter), it is feeling like they are victims of a giant conspiracy to get them. Plus, it is easier to get the press to pick up on your ad being rejected then it is that it is running and nobody is looking at it.
This news article was intended for right-wing kooks to read, so they'd see Susan Collins as one of their own.
Whatever the U.N. might say about the rules of engagement and who drew them up, the reality on the ground is that when the U.N. goes into these grim parts of the world, people see the blue helmets and U.N. flag and believe that help has arrived. By its very presence the United Nations is offering hope--and it is cruel to offer false hope. "In a sense, things got better after the peacekeepers left," the real Paul Rusesabagina said to me after the movie. "People realized that no one was going to help them and took matters into their own hands." If we will not help men like Rusesabagina, let us at least not lie to them. - Fareed Zakaria
Think about that for a while. It doesn't mean what bleeding hearts assume it means.
2) The US has actually done much better in reducing green house gas emissions compared to most Kyoto signatories. Name me one country that will actually meet its obligations.
Isn't this kind of setting a rather low expectations bar?
The US didn't sign Kyoto. So of course we're going to meet our obligations.
4) President Bush's home in Texas is actually a surprising green residence while Gore's pool house consumes more power than the average person's home.
No. What is affecting the peace of the entire world at the moment is war. There are wars between nations, wars of nations against their citizens and wars between ideologies.
But there is no Nobel War Prize.
This is just silly. Pure PR and marketing. Even the group Gore is giving his share to is a PR firm. They're mission is to do nothing more than tell people about climate change. No research, no solutions, just PR.
Frankly, I'm rather surprised. Usually a peace prize is given after you do something. Gore has certainly spoken a lot about this issue, but he has yet to make a real difference. This strikes most as a big 'Fuck You Bush' from the world community.
That being said, it is fun watching all the wingers heads explode over this. They're already out on the intertubes wining and ranting and spewing cheetohs on the keyboard. I sort of feel sorry for them. All I can say is get your blood pressure checked regularly.
So I do feel sorry. The Republicans have invested so much into their Dear Leader, and at every opportunity he just turns up looking like a chump. It must be so hard, defending a loser like that. Wingers everywhere, you have my pity.
What the Republicans today need to validate their world views is for Nobel to offer a War Prize.
Although sadly even if they did offer a Nobel War Prize, President Bush still wouldn't win it.
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Man, you get so angry when someone defends moveon.(Which I didn't even do, amazingly, but for some reason it set you off)
Makes me wonder if you aren't really a libertarian so much as a right-wing statist. Do you know what libertarian means?
The criticism never talked about the ad.
It only talked about how much they paid the NYTimes to run it. So it appears the ad was ok, it was just worth more money.
You know how Republicans are, they don't like seeing someone sell something for too little money.
But why the right-wing attacks? They're used to attacking service members, even decorated ones, officers, generals.
That's why Bush is polling at around 28%, right? Because of leftwing criticism of a brilliant war leader?
Right
From what I've read moveon offered to pay the full rate... $140k instead of $70k or something like that. Nobody required that.
But it was more of a big FUCK YOU move to the right-wing kooks who had been complaining. Considering Moveon brought in several million dollars in contributions following the attacks on the ad, they could easily afford it.
It's still interesting that the original charges laid out by moveon were never addressed. I guess I would like to see this Collins ad to see if it deals with the issues, or if it is another conspiracy rant about ad prices.
Did I say that? I said the horse is dead. You can't beat it any more.
It's pretty simple. The people making the accusations never bothered to actually call up the New york Times and find out what the rate would be for a non-profit issue ad on standby.
no conspiracy, nobody is out to get you. you can put away the tinfoil beanie, and come out of the basement bunker.
Sheesh.
Oh dear, I have been censored! :-)
This issue has been beat to death.
Moveon received the regular rate for running an ad, in what they call standby. The only thing that might be a bit out of the ordinary, is that the NYTimes called them back and said 'Well it looks like we have room on monday, so your ad should run.'
I did a search for blackwater and exxon and found no ads in either case.
Can someone give a real example, or do we have to rely on all this anecdotal evidence that can't be substantiated?
It appears they are screaming censorship in this case.
How is moveon underhanded? Are they accusing General Patreaus of shooting himself?
Actually moveon is being stupid, if they did indeed try to stop the ad. They should have embraced it instead. When the Republicans attacked their Patraeus ad, they brought in several million in fund-raising.
That hasn't been my experience. Google is a business. I get ads for right-wing nuts hawking books through gmail.com all the time. You got money, they'll post your ad.
In this case, I fully suspect it's because they tried to place the ad as a sponsored link on the side of search terms. The rules are different there, and they care more about trademarks and such, because they don't want peoples searches being overrun with competitors ads.
How do you know Ubuntu doesn't cause terrorism?
Perhaps Osama bin Laden is using a Laptop right now running Ubuntu while planning his next escapade.
Can we really ever know? Obviously the anti-Ubuntu advocacy ad has a place in this debate, by opening up this question, it allows Ubuntu to clear themselves of any wrongdoing.
LOL
It's almost comical.
Collins is a Republican Senator from Maine, and faces a hard choice in her 2008 reelection bid.
Maine is a fairly moderate state, and Collins is in a position very similar to Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island. That is, in order to appeal to the voters of Maine she has to take reasonably moderate positions. However, in order to maintain her status as a card carrying Republican, she has to appeal to the kooks.
Chafee in trying to appeal to the moderates of Rhode Island, made the kooks in the Republican party angry. So they launched a primary challenger against him in the name of Stephen Laffey. This primary challenger weakened Chafee's position, because it pointed out to independents in the state just how kooky the Republicans have become. So despite years of services, a solid reputation, he lost pretty handidly.
Collins doesn't want the same thing ot happen to her. So to fend off a primary challenge, she's trying to establish her credentials with the kooks. Picking something innocuous that nobody really knows or cares about, she's decided to attack moveon.org. Had she instead decided to champion their latest nutty cause of attacking 12 year olds for speaking in favor of SCHIP, that might have gotten her some negative press back home with regular people and that's not good. So by attacking something the kooks hate, that normal people don't really care about, she's in safe territory.
Just getting the ad out on google.com wouldn't have been enough, because nobody would have paid much attention to it. So it was necessary to place the ad in such a way as to cause it to be rejected. But not too whacko, using bad language would have drawn attention to regular people. So they lucked out on this trademark infringement thing.
Because if there is nothing the kooks love more(left, right, it doesn't matter), it is feeling like they are victims of a giant conspiracy to get them. Plus, it is easier to get the press to pick up on your ad being rejected then it is that it is running and nobody is looking at it.
This news article was intended for right-wing kooks to read, so they'd see Susan Collins as one of their own.
I spoke with TBS, your reply has been classified as not funny.
Think about that for a while. It doesn't mean what bleeding hearts assume it means.
Boutros Boutros Gali was Secretary General of the UN in 1994.
For someone who doesn't care, you sure do spend a lot of effort expressing your apathy.
If you cannot be insightful, at least be funny.
It's so nice that this comment was marked Insightful.
It shows that there are at least two morons in the world. Which totally doubles my chances of hooking up with supermodel physicist Denise Richards.
hint: What is 1994? What is 1997-2007?
Isn't this kind of setting a rather low expectations bar?
The US didn't sign Kyoto. So of course we're going to meet our obligations.
Must be all the Mesquite they farm there.
But there is no Nobel War Prize.
Sounds like a good reason to start a war.
They also believe our society and culture is going to collapse in the face of islamofascist killer robots.
I am saddened that Voltron has not come to defend us.
Frankly, I'm rather surprised. Usually a peace prize is given after you do something. Gore has certainly spoken a lot about this issue, but he has yet to make a real difference. This strikes most as a big 'Fuck You Bush' from the world community.
That being said, it is fun watching all the wingers heads explode over this. They're already out on the intertubes wining and ranting and spewing cheetohs on the keyboard. I sort of feel sorry for them. All I can say is get your blood pressure checked regularly.
So I do feel sorry. The Republicans have invested so much into their Dear Leader, and at every opportunity he just turns up looking like a chump. It must be so hard, defending a loser like that. Wingers everywhere, you have my pity.
What the Republicans today need to validate their world views is for Nobel to offer a War Prize.
Although sadly even if they did offer a Nobel War Prize, President Bush still wouldn't win it.
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