You almost always have to have first achieved mass mediocrity. Some prime examples are McDonalds, MS Windows and last but far from least, Disco.
Java stands apart from the crowd in it's mediocrity. It's a nice language, but it is mediocre. By my estimates, it should go far! Way farther than C/C++ ever hoped.
If for no other reason, even crappy programmers who shouldn't be programming in the first place can put out "okay" code. Those who can't understand pointers, not to mention, understand that a reference is hardly more than a pointer. In otherwords, it can even make crappy programmers mediocre.
My guess is that the real reason is that it is written in C# and hosted on the Windows 98/ME/XP/Vista OS. If that won't rob a person of time and CPU cycles, what will?
Your ideas only work when people don't turn to the Gov't for their health expenses. Once people expect the Gov't to pay their health expense (Medicare, SSN for the weight disabled, giov't funded health programs etc), the Gov't has full right to place restrictions on your eating and smoking behaviors.
Now quit smoking! I don't want to have to pay for your cancer or emphysema later!
Not to berate Einstein but just because you are a genius does not mean you can't form opinions out of prejudice, ignorance, and fear. I'm sure his wasn't but you make it sound like that it is a slam dunk conclusion that a thinker would come to the conclusion that God does not exist. In the same note, just because you believe in God does not mean you aren't a thinker and your opinion was not made without out rational analysis.
As for as where did God came from. I'm proud to be in the company of Einstein when I say, I don't know.
By that reasoning then, if it was a choice, why wouldn't MANY come/speak back from the afterlife? Especially the scientific or well respected types.
My point was that you can't come back.
As for the rest of your comment...
Once the witnesses to any event are gone, all you have a the fairy tails of the event. What's your point. You know we never landed on the moon. That was just a hoax. I know all of those moon rocks are rocks that were collected out in the desert. See, even with the witnesses still alive, it's just a fairy tail.
Well, I would guess that if it was a choice, then someone would've told us already just to say "I told you so!". Oh wait, thinking about it, one did come back and told us the answer. Most people still don't want to hear about it.
His opinion is just as relevant as anybody's This is because opinions like assholes are built in. With that said, why should his be any more relevant than anyone else's including mine? Discounting God, his only answer to "Where did it all come from?" is "I don't know".
Until he died, assuming there's an afterlife, he was no closer to the answer than I. In either case, now that he's dead and whether there's an afterlife or not, he still can't tell us the answer.
Now that we had fun with code obfuscation, you get what you deserve. First rule, write something people can read (including yourself after 2 months of not looking at it). I've seen example code like that in the Java books as well. Makes for good book publishing in that it reduces word counts, but it still makes the code hard to read and follow.
IMHO if you right code like that, no language will save you. You deserve the hell you make for yourself.
In simple reply, you have not convinced me. You talk about quirks in C++. Well Java has it's own set. I need to get a profiler for my program to find the memory leak that the promise of Java was not to have. Java has no pointers, everything in Java is a pointer, etc.
It's simple, what C++ Hell Java released me from was replaced with a new Hell of Java's. The build are still quirky, Ant is little better than make(if at all).I haven't tried Maven, but I'm sure it has it's own little hell waiting for me. Recompile once, run anywhere works as long as the moon is in the right phase, airpressure proper etc. It's hardly easier than shared libraries.
Then when you consider your line here:
This is, of course, a rather pointless request, since Microsoft is least interested in going cross platform - unless that means "XP/Vista/WinMobile/XBox";) So, of course, if you need cross-platform support, Qt is by all means the best tool out there (though I've seen a cross-platform Windows/Linux solution done using Mono and Gtk#, and it looked alright; but quality-wise, Mono is still behind Qt).
You answered it all right there. Even when you don't consider cross platform.
Remember Hell is Hell. It come's in many packages. I like how the Trolls packaged their's.
Woohoo! The Trolls work only gets better n better
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I just love Qt! The signals and Slots are the best part. The Layout (geometry) management is 2nd. The face that I can make multi-threaded daemons is what takes it over the top. MS with it's C# and Java has nothing on Qt.
Because MSDN only wishes they could touch Qt in ease of programming. C++ compared to Java (and I have to assume it's close cousin C#) is hands down the better choice, with Qt you get the cross platform, garbage collection (not 100% but I have less memory leaks with my Qt programs than with my Java programs) and so much more.
Let's see do a decent GUI or even server using MSDN which will go cross platform!
Speaking of licensing fees, just how many developers do you have? Is it safe to assume that MS sells one copy of MSDN and lets all of the developers in your company use it? I doubt that! We spend roughly 1700 per year for one developer doing MS/X11 I can make as many applications with it as I like (I'm good, I can write a lot of apps).
So in the end, the Trolls get the Kudos because they earned them!
It just happened! At one time there was nothing, an instant later there was everything in a very small space. In time that small space of everything expanded out to be the universe as we know it today.
That should put everything in the perspective a 7 year old can understand and not be anything less than our scientists told us. It just happened!
My first computer (not counting my cosmac elf from netronics with 256bytes of ram) had 8" floppy drives. An original PC with 640K had more ram than that!
As I see it, if you want to make it available, you have to risk the luaghter and all. Either that or don't write armature looking code in the first place.
With that said, I would release as is and work on cleaning it up. If you don't want to make that effort, if it offers decent enough features someone will start the effort of cleaning it up. Otherwise, it will do like 1000s of other projects on Sourceforge and wither away, most likely deservedly.
I must say, they on;y get better as tiome goes on. So far it found the Nic Card on my Dell which 10.2 did not. I did have trouble install;ing from NFS using a 10.2 DVD to boot. Installing from a 10.3 CD went much smoother and folks are right! The package manager is a lot faster!
Thank you Dell. Your network controller is proprietary and you only provide binary drivers for the version of kernel ou ship with Ubuntu. What about us who want a different distribution than Ubuntu?
I know this because I tried loading SuSE on one. Suprise Suprise, it didn't load the network. Went to Dell and found the binary debian package for the network drivers but no source. Every year they make it less compelling to buy from them the next year.
If they used the right tool kits they can easily support Linux as well as Macs and Windows. Qt from Trolltech is just one of many choices out there that would provide an easy way for them at a reasonable cost provide apps that run on Linux as well as the others.
To say it's too expensive to do for the small returns is just a cop-out for being lazy!
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Back when I was a kid I had to walk to school 3 miles up hill in both directions.... We were darned lucky to even have shoes...
Your points are well taken, but tell me why the same difference does not exist when choosing between a pen and a word processor?
If I have a lot of papers to 'process' and no word processor, I will type them in using 'fill in editor or choice' instead of writing them by hand. At least I know when I am done, they will be legible.
If I am writing "Grandma' or my "Dear Auntie" or anybody and want to make it personal, I will handwrite them and NOT USE A BLOODY WORD PROCCESSOR IN ANY CASE.
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You almost always have to have first achieved mass mediocrity. Some prime examples are McDonalds, MS Windows and last but far from least, Disco.
Java stands apart from the crowd in it's mediocrity. It's a nice language, but it is mediocre. By my estimates, it should go far! Way farther than C/C++ ever hoped.
If for no other reason, even crappy programmers who shouldn't be programming in the first place can put out "okay" code. Those who can't understand pointers, not to mention, understand that a reference is hardly more than a pointer. In otherwords, it can even make crappy programmers mediocre.
My guess is that the real reason is that it is written in C# and hosted on the Windows 98/ME/XP/Vista OS. If that won't rob a person of time and CPU cycles, what will?
Your ideas only work when people don't turn to the Gov't for their health expenses. Once people expect the Gov't to pay their health expense (Medicare, SSN for the weight disabled, giov't funded health programs etc), the Gov't has full right to place restrictions on your eating and smoking behaviors.
Now quit smoking! I don't want to have to pay for your cancer or emphysema later!
Not to berate Einstein but just because you are a genius does not mean you can't form opinions out of prejudice, ignorance, and fear. I'm sure his wasn't but you make it sound like that it is a slam dunk conclusion that a thinker would come to the conclusion that God does not exist. In the same note, just because you believe in God does not mean you aren't a thinker and your opinion was not made without out rational analysis.
As for as where did God came from. I'm proud to be in the company of Einstein when I say, I don't know.
My point was that you can't come back.
As for the rest of your comment...
Once the witnesses to any event are gone, all you have a the fairy tails of the event. What's your point. You know we never landed on the moon. That was just a hoax. I know all of those moon rocks are rocks that were collected out in the desert. See, even with the witnesses still alive, it's just a fairy tail.
Well, I would guess that if it was a choice, then someone would've told us already just to say "I told you so!". Oh wait, thinking about it, one did come back and told us the answer. Most people still don't want to hear about it.
His opinion is just as relevant as anybody's This is because opinions like assholes are built in. With that said, why should his be any more relevant than anyone else's including mine? Discounting God, his only answer to "Where did it all come from?" is "I don't know".
Until he died, assuming there's an afterlife, he was no closer to the answer than I. In either case, now that he's dead and whether there's an afterlife or not, he still can't tell us the answer.
Why does this make me think of "eat s**t and..."
I always preferred a mushroom farm like atmosphere, kept in the dark and fed lots of BS daily. The cool and damp helps me flourish too!
Now that we had fun with code obfuscation, you get what you deserve. First rule, write something people can read (including yourself after 2 months of not looking at it). I've seen example code like that in the Java books as well. Makes for good book publishing in that it reduces word counts, but it still makes the code hard to read and follow.
IMHO if you right code like that, no language will save you. You deserve the hell you make for yourself.
In simple reply, you have not convinced me. You talk about quirks in C++. Well Java has it's own set. I need to get a profiler for my program to find the memory leak that the promise of Java was not to have. Java has no pointers, everything in Java is a pointer, etc.
;) So, of course, if you need cross-platform support, Qt is by all means the best tool out there (though I've seen a cross-platform Windows/Linux solution done using Mono and Gtk#, and it looked alright; but quality-wise, Mono is still behind Qt).
It's simple, what C++ Hell Java released me from was replaced with a new Hell of Java's. The build are still quirky, Ant is little better than make(if at all).I haven't tried Maven, but I'm sure it has it's own little hell waiting for me. Recompile once, run anywhere works as long as the moon is in the right phase, airpressure proper etc. It's hardly easier than shared libraries.
Then when you consider your line here:
This is, of course, a rather pointless request, since Microsoft is least interested in going cross platform - unless that means "XP/Vista/WinMobile/XBox"
You answered it all right there. Even when you don't consider cross platform.
Remember Hell is Hell. It come's in many packages. I like how the Trolls packaged their's.
I just love Qt! The signals and Slots are the best part. The Layout (geometry) management is 2nd. The face that I can make multi-threaded daemons is what takes it over the top. MS with it's C# and Java has nothing on Qt.
Because MSDN only wishes they could touch Qt in ease of programming. C++ compared to Java (and I have to assume it's close cousin C#) is hands down the better choice, with Qt you get the cross platform, garbage collection (not 100% but I have less memory leaks with my Qt programs than with my Java programs) and so much more.
Let's see do a decent GUI or even server using MSDN which will go cross platform!
Speaking of licensing fees, just how many developers do you have? Is it safe to assume that MS sells one copy of MSDN and lets all of the developers in your company use it? I doubt that! We spend roughly 1700 per year for one developer doing MS/X11 I can make as many applications with it as I like (I'm good, I can write a lot of apps).
So in the end, the Trolls get the Kudos because they earned them!
It just happened! At one time there was nothing, an instant later there was everything in a very small space. In time that small space of everything expanded out to be the universe as we know it today.
That should put everything in the perspective a 7 year old can understand and not be anything less than our scientists told us. It just happened!
It's because the obviousness of something is not obvious until it is scientifically proven to be obvious.
Like all of MS products, these look like choking hazards.
efforts for the workers to get their job done.
My first computer (not counting my cosmac elf from netronics with 256bytes of ram) had 8" floppy drives. An original PC with 640K had more ram than that!
As I see it, if you want to make it available, you have to risk the luaghter and all. Either that or don't write armature looking code in the first place.
With that said, I would release as is and work on cleaning it up. If you don't want to make that effort, if it offers decent enough features someone will start the effort of cleaning it up. Otherwise, it will do like 1000s of other projects on Sourceforge and wither away, most likely deservedly.
I must say, they on;y get better as tiome goes on. So far it found the Nic Card on my Dell which 10.2 did not. I did have trouble install;ing from NFS using a 10.2 DVD to boot. Installing from a 10.3 CD went much smoother and folks are right! The package manager is a lot faster!
I know this because I tried loading SuSE on one. Suprise Suprise, it didn't load the network. Went to Dell and found the binary debian package for the network drivers but no source. Every year they make it less compelling to buy from them the next year.
Johnny, Can you spell Y.A.S.T.? One of several things SuSE has over all of the other distros!
To say it's too expensive to do for the small returns is just a cop-out for being lazy!
Back when I was a kid I had to walk to school 3 miles up hill in both directions.... We were darned lucky to even have shoes...
Give me a break!
Your points are well taken, but tell me why the same difference does not exist when choosing between a pen and a word processor?
If I have a lot of papers to 'process' and no word processor, I will type them in using 'fill in editor or choice' instead of writing them by hand. At least I know when I am done, they will be legible.
If I am writing "Grandma' or my "Dear Auntie" or anybody and want to make it personal, I will handwrite them and NOT USE A BLOODY WORD PROCCESSOR IN ANY CASE.