The only real difference when it comes to embedded Linux and *BSD is how much you strip out of the kernel. When you're embedding, you tend to only include the modules, drivers, and utilities that are absolutely essential to the system functioning. Otherwise, the kernels tend to be the same thing.
Wrong type of livestock there, slice. Beef cattle are very different from milking cows and are mostly raised in Texas and South America. Common milking breeds are Holstein and Brown Swiss, while beef breeds tend to consist of Angus and Simmental.
eCos is for the deeply embedded market, and embedded Linux, even in 2.6 is so much bigger.
But my point is that this is a niche market. Or to be more specific, an ever shrinking niche market. eCos probably fills that area quite well, but there's no way you could make any serious amount of money off of it. Even more difficult is the future development aspect of eCos. Given that the embedded market keeps moving to larger processors and more memory, eCos will either have to scale up to QNX proportions or get lost in the sands of time.
Consider this for a moment. QNX started in the extremely small embedded market (e.g. dishwashers, car computers, microwaves, etc.) and has built up to its current size and ability due to customer demand. If that's what customers are demanding, is it really too big?
There is little if any cement to be found, and the cows certainly don't get to stand on it.
Those guys aren't the big producers. The big ones have large farming buildings, but you never see any cows. That's because there's about a thousand cows inside these concrete and steel barns that are constantly being run through milking wheels. (A milking wheel is a giant turntable that allows cows to be lined up, loaded, mechanically or robotically milked and unloaded in a very efficient manner.)
I used to work as a technologist in the livestock industry, and I remember when these big farms went up. Last I heard, Iowa was supposed to become the "Next Big Milking State". Not sure what happened to that.
Don't tell me you expected fair moderation here on Slashdot?
No, but I'm well aware of what I can do about it. Moderators only have 5 points and can moderate a post only once. Reposting stuff at +2 that was at 0 and +1 respectively, gives the rouge mods a hard target to hit. Even worse, it draws attention to their poor moderation, so meta-mods who view in context will (hopefully) slam these guys.
Now go out there and troll the hell out of Slashdot!
Not on my watch. By God, I'll have an intelligent conversation if it kills me.
Wasn't that nice of moderators to moderate a polite comment out of existence? So, I'll repost it at +2 and if that gets modded to -1, I'll post it again. Here's the original response:
Here we have an example of the rarest of birds, an informed and insightful post... on slashdot.
QNX truly is the king of kings.
To which I replied:
Check my posting history. I don't always get it right, but I always attempt to present an informed and useful opinion.
And if you don't care for friendly banter, you can mark me as a foe. I'll get all broken up about it. Really. (rolls eyes)
...Red Hat has been a decent company. They usually make their stance clear and try to be honest at all times. That being said, their product distribution methodology could use some work. They have burned customers time and time again by distributing pre-release software that lacked polish. This would tend to result in oddities in their OSes such as USB mouse lockups, GNOME menus that lose their icons when installing user icons, kernel versions that are unsupported by hardware drivers such as NVidia (thank God NVidia found a way to fix that), and installations that randomly self-destruct. While I understand the pressures of the market place, a more stable codebase would inspire much more confidence in their customers.
Hopefully this will mean new life for the project.
I guess that kind of depends on whether anyone cares or not. Most people who might have used eCos for the commercial support aspect, are using the high powered and rock-solid QNX OS. And those who wanted free embedded OSes for home projects are already using Embedded Linux or *BSD. Even more difficult for eCos is that embedded Linux and *BSD distros are usually custom to the application. Why would anyone want the overhead of a prepackaged solution?
Perhaps eCos has its uses, but it's a very small niche.
...why there are moderators out there who feel the need to mod highly rated posts as "Overrated"? Does the high rating REALLY kill anyone? Especially when I'm trying to make a point here? And how come these guys continue to have mod points? Shouldn't they have lost them due to meta-moderation?
I seriously doubt Cali will ever overtake anything
They currently produce more milk than any other state in the U.S. (Wisconsin included). What's interesting is that if you go a little farther north to Canada, they actually cap how much milk a farmer can produce. If he produces too much, he has to throw it away. Anyone caught selling milk beyond their cap could face serious fines. As a result, Canadians focus on breeding pretty looking cows instead of heavy milk producers. That's why (if you have a trained eye) Canadian cows are usually more slender and dainty than U.S. cows.
Zip files are much better for Internet distribution. Some of the advantages are:
1. CRC checking 2. A single extension that won't be screwed up by browsers (granted, you can always use.TGZ) 3. Better cross-platform support 4. Ability to extract individual files quickly
TAR.GZ is much better for archives than Internet distribution. Besides, REAL MEN use TAR.BZ!:-P
This is why California will never overtake Wisconsin for cheese production. We take our cheese seriously! Sure, California may be producing more milk thanks to their farming factories, but their cheese is weak. Take their pepperjack for instance. In Wisconsin, that stuff has bite. In California, it tastes like those stupid shredded cheeses. Weak man, weak.
Oh, and don't believe all those commercials you see about how cows are happier in Sunny California and are so glad to get away from frigid Wisconsin. Those cows are roasting inside their factory farms where they have to stand on cement all day. At least in Wisconsin, we keep our cows in pastures.
(For the humor impaired, the joke is that 6*9 is not, actually, 42, implying there's something seriously wrong with the Universe when it can't even answer its own question correctly.)
Actually, the Earth matrix that was calculating the question got irrevocably screwed up by the arrival of all the telephone cleaners, hair dressers, and other useless beings from another planet. Thus, depending on how you interpret it, either the question of Life, the Universe and Everything is 7*6 or the question is simply lost forever.
Of course he doesn't. He gets the second head surgically added after he picks up Trillian at a party on Earth. Hmmm, I suppose Taco's wife might have a thing or two to say about THAT little jaunt...
Wrong side. Look at the fifth photo. You'll see a long bar with screw holes. Looks a lot like a 232 or parallel port. The concensus is that it's a docking port.
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I've always seen it spelled "dairy-aire". But maybe that's just because I grew up in the Midwest. I'll take note of the spelling in the future. :-)
Get what I mean though?
:-)
I understand.
The only real difference when it comes to embedded Linux and *BSD is how much you strip out of the kernel. When you're embedding, you tend to only include the modules, drivers, and utilities that are absolutely essential to the system functioning. Otherwise, the kernels tend to be the same thing.
"... before ... slaughtering them."
Wrong type of livestock there, slice. Beef cattle are very different from milking cows and are mostly raised in Texas and South America. Common milking breeds are Holstein and Brown Swiss, while beef breeds tend to consist of Angus and Simmental.
eCos is for the deeply embedded market, and embedded Linux, even in 2.6 is so much bigger.
But my point is that this is a niche market. Or to be more specific, an ever shrinking niche market. eCos probably fills that area quite well, but there's no way you could make any serious amount of money off of it. Even more difficult is the future development aspect of eCos. Given that the embedded market keeps moving to larger processors and more memory, eCos will either have to scale up to QNX proportions or get lost in the sands of time.
Consider this for a moment. QNX started in the extremely small embedded market (e.g. dishwashers, car computers, microwaves, etc.) and has built up to its current size and ability due to customer demand. If that's what customers are demanding, is it really too big?
http://www.westbycreamery.com/
Their cheese curds are the best I've tasted anywhere. Even Carr Valley cheese doesn't come close.
I read at 0. -1 has all the troll bullsh*t that's not very pleasent to read.
There is little if any cement to be found, and the cows certainly don't get to stand on it.
Those guys aren't the big producers. The big ones have large farming buildings, but you never see any cows. That's because there's about a thousand cows inside these concrete and steel barns that are constantly being run through milking wheels. (A milking wheel is a giant turntable that allows cows to be lined up, loaded, mechanically or robotically milked and unloaded in a very efficient manner.)
I used to work as a technologist in the livestock industry, and I remember when these big farms went up. Last I heard, Iowa was supposed to become the "Next Big Milking State". Not sure what happened to that.
Don't tell me you expected fair moderation here on Slashdot?
No, but I'm well aware of what I can do about it. Moderators only have 5 points and can moderate a post only once. Reposting stuff at +2 that was at 0 and +1 respectively, gives the rouge mods a hard target to hit. Even worse, it draws attention to their poor moderation, so meta-mods who view in context will (hopefully) slam these guys.
Now go out there and troll the hell out of Slashdot!
Not on my watch. By God, I'll have an intelligent conversation if it kills me.
eCos is the fastest growing RTOS (used in projects) and is being used in far more projects than QNX.
Perhaps. Only time and the market will tell.
Real men use .Z
If you're still using "compress", you've got issues.
Wasn't that nice of moderators to moderate a polite comment out of existence? So, I'll repost it at +2 and if that gets modded to -1, I'll post it again. Here's the original response:
Here we have an example of the rarest of birds, an informed and insightful post... on slashdot.
QNX truly is the king of kings.
To which I replied:
Check my posting history. I don't always get it right, but I always attempt to present an informed and useful opinion.
And if you don't care for friendly banter, you can mark me as a foe. I'll get all broken up about it. Really. (rolls eyes)
You painted an interesting picture, but left a big gap.
:-)
There are a lot of commercial companies actually using Linux, for whom QNX and eCOS are not worth the investment in light of recent kernel advances.
I'm sorry. I could have sworn that I already stated that the other end of the spectrum is "already using Embedded Linux and *BSD". Oh wait. I did.
You might save yourself some trouble if you read more carefully.
...Red Hat has been a decent company. They usually make their stance clear and try to be honest at all times. That being said, their product distribution methodology could use some work. They have burned customers time and time again by distributing pre-release software that lacked polish. This would tend to result in oddities in their OSes such as USB mouse lockups, GNOME menus that lose their icons when installing user icons, kernel versions that are unsupported by hardware drivers such as NVidia (thank God NVidia found a way to fix that), and installations that randomly self-destruct. While I understand the pressures of the market place, a more stable codebase would inspire much more confidence in their customers.
Here we have an example of the rarest of birds, an informed and insightful post... on slashdot.
Check my posting history. I don't always get it right, but I always attempt to present an informed and useful opinion.
Do you have any links describing Clarix? I did a web and usenet search and the only thing that comes up is misspellings of Claris-Works.
Hopefully this will mean new life for the project.
I guess that kind of depends on whether anyone cares or not. Most people who might have used eCos for the commercial support aspect, are using the high powered and rock-solid QNX OS. And those who wanted free embedded OSes for home projects are already using Embedded Linux or *BSD. Even more difficult for eCos is that embedded Linux and *BSD distros are usually custom to the application. Why would anyone want the overhead of a prepackaged solution?
Perhaps eCos has its uses, but it's a very small niche.
...why there are moderators out there who feel the need to mod highly rated posts as "Overrated"? Does the high rating REALLY kill anyone? Especially when I'm trying to make a point here? And how come these guys continue to have mod points? Shouldn't they have lost them due to meta-moderation?
*sigh*
I seriously doubt Cali will ever overtake anything
They currently produce more milk than any other state in the U.S. (Wisconsin included). What's interesting is that if you go a little farther north to Canada, they actually cap how much milk a farmer can produce. If he produces too much, he has to throw it away. Anyone caught selling milk beyond their cap could face serious fines. As a result, Canadians focus on breeding pretty looking cows instead of heavy milk producers. That's why (if you have a trained eye) Canadian cows are usually more slender and dainty than U.S. cows.
Zip files are much better for Internet distribution. Some of the advantages are:
.TGZ)
:-P
1. CRC checking
2. A single extension that won't be screwed up by browsers (granted, you can always use
3. Better cross-platform support
4. Ability to extract individual files quickly
TAR.GZ is much better for archives than Internet distribution. Besides, REAL MEN use TAR.BZ!
As they say, only in Wisconsin
This is why California will never overtake Wisconsin for cheese production. We take our cheese seriously! Sure, California may be producing more milk thanks to their farming factories, but their cheese is weak. Take their pepperjack for instance. In Wisconsin, that stuff has bite. In California, it tastes like those stupid shredded cheeses. Weak man, weak.
Oh, and don't believe all those commercials you see about how cows are happier in Sunny California and are so glad to get away from frigid Wisconsin. Those cows are roasting inside their factory farms where they have to stand on cement all day. At least in Wisconsin, we keep our cows in pastures.
(For the humor impaired, the joke is that 6*9 is not, actually, 42, implying there's something seriously wrong with the Universe when it can't even answer its own question correctly.)
Actually, the Earth matrix that was calculating the question got irrevocably screwed up by the arrival of all the telephone cleaners, hair dressers, and other useless beings from another planet. Thus, depending on how you interpret it, either the question of Life, the Universe and Everything is 7*6 or the question is simply lost forever.
CmdrTaco has two heads? How comes?
Of course he doesn't. He gets the second head surgically added after he picks up Trillian at a party on Earth. Hmmm, I suppose Taco's wife might have a thing or two to say about THAT little jaunt...
Wrong side. Look at the fifth photo. You'll see a long bar with screw holes. Looks a lot like a 232 or parallel port. The concensus is that it's a docking port.