The fact you find this interesting demonstrates to me that you really don't have a clue.
Corporations are not something new. We can certainly go back to the 50's, with General Motors, large steel companies, AT&T, IBM, etc. for examples of modern corporations. Of course, large multinationals go back much farther.
And you know what? Individuals did start companies to compete with these large corporations. After all, the large steel companies have been largely replaced with more efficient micro-foundries. AT&T took a pounding from a small (at the time) MCI. There are many other examples. Dell and Compaq took on IBM, and won! Mr. Dell ran his company from his college dorm room. Before Dell, there was Digital Equipment and Data General. Hell, there was a time when Intel was just a few guys starting a company.
I really don't feel sorry for Mr. Jose. If he doesn't like McD's, then he can get on the zoning board in his small town and keep them out. How american is this? Well, the small town I live in was almost invaded by a McD's. Many people have objected to this and the zoning was changed to keep McD's out. No petty vandalism was involved.
I find it somewhat insulting that you compare a vandal to this nations founding fathers. This is a really lame comparison.
Of course, Jose has now become the issue, rather than the importation of bio-engineered products. In other words, his message is now lost because of the medium he chose.
Maybe Mr. Katz should go off and form his own perfect nation (surely in his own image). This Katzland would be filled with little perfect katz-ons that would be oh so mature and could handle such awesome technologies.
Please stop looking down your nose at everyone. Your smugness is unbecoming.
There was no close call with Sun and Blackdown. Sun was completely within their rights to do what they did with the software. Was it rude to not give some credit to Blackdown? Of course, but the GPL doesn't prevent rudeness (Heck, Christmas doesn't prevent rudeness either). The Blackdown folks need to get thicker skins; just because your "partner" goes and uses the product to the full extent of your contract, you don't start whining. Welcome to the business world.
Dear/., stop editorializing in the story summaries. You often don't have a clue what you're writing about, and the additional verbosity just makes/. harder to read.
I thought the comment about the annual revenues of Cygnus being greater than those of RedHat interesting, especially when considering the current market value assigned to RedHat.
I wonder what the average revenue is for a good McDonald's location. Seems to me that it wouldn't be too far behind RedHat. Considering RH is going to generate so much money from running a portal...a slashdot competitor actually...I guess the large market cap must be justified.
Well, it's about closing time on the NYSE, and MSFT is down 1 5/8 for the day. Hardly the smashing collapse in the MSFT share price that the reknowned investor J. Katz had predicted.
More people are MSFT shareholders than realize it. Almost anyone owning an equity mutual fund, or an S&P 500 index fund, will have a, perhaps small, chunk of MSFT. And yes, I suppose many of those investors are happy, but "fat". Anyone buying MSFT this morning made a nice profit on the day...
Maybe it's just me, but the smug, self-righteous snobbery of Mr. Katz makes so many far right Republicans seem warm and fuzzy. Perhaps, on some distant future day, Mr. Katz can get past the ad hominem attacks on people and focus on the subject at hand.
I've been running E on Solaris for about 8 months now with any problems at all.
As was noted by another poster, the file_menu stuff doesn't work currently under solaris...but that was a recent change in one of the 0.16 pre releases.
If I can ever connect to ftp.enlightenment.org, I'll download 0.16 and try it out. (Using 0.16.pre5 right now).
Evil Sun doesn't give it's software source code away. SCSL is just so nasty. Boo hoo hooo! Sun is just using Linux to compete with Microsoft.
Ok everyone. How about all the folks whining about Sun Microsystems start writing some code and/or documentation instead. Do you really think for a second that some company is going to give us everything for free just because we whine a lot?
Crying about Sun isn't going to make linux scale better than Solaris (it doesn't now), it isn't going to get Netscape 5 finished to run on Linux (it's way late), it's not going to get better development tools, yada yada yada.
So, stop yer crying like a bunch of babies and do some work!
Your post should be prefaced with "I claim that..."
Do you have any documentation that Sun chose to kill WABI and orphan WABI users because it wanted to push Java?!
Again, WABI was killed years ago. WABI only does Win16, not Win32, and WABI was _always_ a limited solution at best.
There are a long list of potential reasons why Sun hasn't released the source code for WABI. Chief among them is that the source code probably isn't Sun's to release...not without a big code review, etc.
WABI is hardly comparable to TWIN. Sun has made for more contributions to Unix and public domain software that has Willow's.
Get some facts to back up your rather empty claims...
Sun didn't kill WABI for Linux. WABI as a product from Sun was killed quite some time ago. It isn't Sun's fault that some other companies licensed it and continued to sell it...until March. IIRC, Sun dropped WABI about two+ years ago.
Quite simply, WABI no longer made any sense. It only support Win16 apps, and even then the apps need to be certified to run under WABI.
There are much better solutions available that WABI. SoftWindows is rather nice. Even better are the Citrix type products in which a group shares a single NT box. Any app can then run and run quite well. At a previous employer, we purchased WinCenter on the spot while it was still a beta. That was many years ago.
To think that WABI was cancelled because of or for Linux shows how lame the analysis in this article really is.
Finally, Sun bought StarOffice to help sell SunRays. Again, this has nothng to do with Linux. People need to understand that some companies, banks for example, having 10,000 PC's...doing nothing but running a few small apps that used to run on 3270 terminals. The Sun Ray is a perfect solution for this. Think of a bank teller...or a cashier at a point of sale. This is a HUGE market. Only a fool would want to install a PC (Windows, Linux or Solaris) to do something so simple....which is why people are feeling as though Bill Gates and Microsoft has been playing people for a fool.
This is for the MicroSparc IIep, which is an embedded processor; it includes support for the PCI bus, for example.
It wasn't used in the Sparc 5, that was the Microsparc II, with an SBUS controller. The fastest speed of the Microsparc II was 110 Mhz.
The TurboSparc ran at 170 Mhz in the Sparc 5.
The Sparc 10 and Sparc 20 used the SuperSparc and the HyperSparc. The SuperSparc was the first V8 architecture Sparc processor from Sun.
It is expected that Sun will also be releasing the same information for the UltraSparc processors in the near future.
The point that is being lost here is that the IIep is a current product that is used in embedded solutions. Sun want's people to use this chip, and in an effort to increase sales, is releasing this information. For those who are unaware, the embedded cpu market is vastly larger than the PC/Workstation market.
Taco is a genious. Except that jwz did this first with dadadodo.
http://www.jwz.org/dadadodo/
DadaDodo is a program that analyses texts for word probabilities, and then generates random sentences based on that. Sometimes these sentences are nonsense; but sometimes they cut right through to the heart of the matter, and reveal hidden meanings.
First, let me state categorically that I will take my son to his pediatrician long before I take him to see, hear or read anything by Mr. Katz.
The issue for the Academy of Pediatrics had to do with parents using a television as a baby sitter. Quite simply, a child is being done a grave disservice by being parked in front of the boob tube for many hours a day. Why? because such passive activities don't help a child learn to function. After all, the television isn't going to teach a child the correct way to pronounce new words or improve his or her motor skills, make cookies or play with friends.
I suggest that everyone run out and read any of the books on Flow by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi. See, for example, Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience. Children need to be engaged in tasks that are demanding and rewarding. Television is neither.
I think that there are some excellent children's shows, but the vast majority are simply advertisments. (As a side comment, if companies could, they'd put advertising on toilet paper. I'm surprised that no one has put advert's on those little hand dryers in the bathrooms!). Children don't need commercials, they need parents.
Finally, being "cutoff from new media technologies" isn't going to impede a child's growth. Children will still have television available to them, along with the web. But, I can state from personal experience that I didn't grow up with any "new media technologies" and I'm not hampered in any way. This is some of the worst FUD...and it's on/. too!
Media histories in medical files?! Please, take your medication, breathe slowly into a brown paper bag and relax a bit. Such breathless fear-mongering is really below/.
The Academy isn't focused solely on the violence on television; there concern is that many kids are simply abandonded in front of a tube. That parents abdicate their responsibilities to the mostly mindless shows and advertising is the real issue. Excessive television violence is only one small part of the whole picture.
This article from Katz is some of the most baseless FUD I've seen in a long time. I think it's really a shame that/.'ers rush to point out FUD from Microsoft, but then accept the same from one of its own. I expected better.
God, I mean Mr. Katz, forbid that a child demonstrate some personal creativity and initiative of their own. After all, Linux didn't get written because Torvald's was watching television.
Not to surprise anyone, but disk capacities have been in powers of 10 for some time now, not powers of two. In other words, that 4 GB disk is actually 4*1e9 bytes, which is somewhat less than 2^32 bytes...or about 73MBytes difference.
This is shockingly naive. It's all well and good to claim that you can do as you please and it's no burden on society. Except that driving without a seatbelt or using a motorcycle without a helmet has a very real price.
Assume that you do get into an accident...perhaps while ignoring the speed limit. The emergency services people have to race to the scene to attempt to save your life. They rush you to the hospital and put you on life support. And you then spend the next 6 months having some nurses aid wipe your ass because you're paralyzed from the neck down. Of course, this extra cost drives up auto insurance rates for us all. Not to mention snarling traffic and forcing many people to sit in traffic jams while your life is being saved.
Now, personally, I'd rather just let you die on the street for being so stupid. Some peole's live are really meant to be a warning to others. But that isn't how our society works. You have many rights...and you also have some duties and some responsibilities.
The SEC, not E*Trade or RedHat, make the rules. If you don't like them then please write the SEC and your congressman and complain. Notably, the rules were formed because many people have been harmed by IPO's. An IPO is a great source of potential fraud, for example.
Now, I happen to work for a broker-dealer, so I can't take part in this or any IPO.
The Netscape product line is all dead anyway. The version 4.0 of the server is the last in the NAS product line. I imagine that it would be pointless to introduce the product to a new platform when it will so be end-of-lifed.
The new company is called iPlanet, and will be introducing new products combining the NAS and the application server that is currently sold by Sun (purchased from NetDynamics).
This has little to do with various dark conspiracies that Sun doesn't like linux. It has more to do with basic common sense marketing of a product that is being replaced by newer technology.
begin{opinion} It's a shame that some of the responses are of the form that "Sun sucks; this is FUD from Sun; oohhh, conspiracy; linux rool3z". Grow up people. Just because a company makes a choice doesn't mean that they oppose linux. This is simply a case of a company trying to combine two competing product lines. Anyway, I could go on this point, but I need to be productive on something else.... /end{opinion}
Having worked on a system with 12,280 cpu's, I can say right now with confidence that hacking together 10000+ odd intel systems simply won't work.
First, I worked on the QCD Teraflop system http://www.ccd.bnl.gov/RIKEN_BNL/riken.html
It consumes a substantial amount of power, generates a lot of heat and has a lot of components. Component reliability is a major issue. We don't have 10000 disk drives, 10000 network cards, 10000 power supplies, 10000 everything.
Keeping all the pieces up and running requires careful engineering, checkpointing results at intermediate steps (the checkpoints can be BIG), etc, etc.
ESR is listening to his own rhetoric a bit too much.
Open Source has received some media attention recently because of the _products_. Apache and Perl are too good examples of programs that have a proven track record of working; working without any hype from ESR or the OSI.
Linux is beginning to get media and corporate attention due to the markeying efforts of companies like RedHat and Caldera. Really, Intel made an investment in a company with a _product_, not a movement.
Yes, the efforts of ESR and other OSI advocates have helped to increase the mind share of open source software; but what really did the trick is a few high quality products (which just happen to have been in production long before OSI existed).
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John,
The fact you find this interesting demonstrates to me that you really don't have a clue.
Corporations are not something new. We can certainly go back to the 50's, with General Motors, large steel companies, AT&T, IBM, etc. for examples of modern corporations. Of course, large multinationals go back much farther.
And you know what? Individuals did start companies to compete with these large corporations. After all, the large steel companies have been largely replaced with more efficient micro-foundries. AT&T took a pounding from a small (at the time) MCI. There are many other examples. Dell and Compaq took on IBM, and won! Mr. Dell ran his company from his college dorm room. Before Dell, there was Digital Equipment and Data General. Hell, there was a time when Intel was just a few guys starting a company.
I really don't feel sorry for Mr. Jose. If he doesn't like McD's, then he can get on the zoning board in his small town and keep them out. How american is this? Well, the small town I live in was almost invaded by a McD's. Many people have objected to this and the zoning was changed to keep McD's out. No petty vandalism was involved.
I find it somewhat insulting that you compare a vandal to this nations founding fathers. This is a really lame comparison.
Of course, Jose has now become the issue, rather than the importation of bio-engineered products. In other words, his message is now lost because of the medium he chose.
Maybe Mr. Katz should go off and form his own perfect nation (surely in his own image). This Katzland would be filled with little perfect katz-ons that would be oh so mature and could handle such awesome technologies.
Please stop looking down your nose at everyone. Your smugness is unbecoming.
The Ultrasparc can also issue two FP operations
in one clock cycle. The x86 can only do one FP add per cycle, or one FP multiply every 2nd cycle.
So, floating point math is much faster on an UltraSparc.
This is the most trivial example. There are others...
It's not brief, and it's not an easy read, but
it covers all the bases...
http://arXiv.org/ps/hep-ph/9602238
Oh please.
/., stop editorializing in the story summaries. You often don't have a clue what you're writing about, and the additional verbosity just makes /. harder to read.
There was no close call with Sun and Blackdown. Sun was completely within their rights to do what they did with the software. Was it rude to not give some credit to Blackdown? Of course, but the GPL doesn't prevent rudeness (Heck, Christmas doesn't prevent rudeness either). The Blackdown folks need to get thicker skins; just because your "partner" goes and uses the product to the full extent of your contract, you don't start whining. Welcome to the business world.
Dear
I wonder what the average revenue is for a good McDonald's location. Seems to me that it wouldn't be too far behind RedHat. Considering RH is going to generate so much money from running a portal...a slashdot competitor actually...I guess the large market cap must be justified.
Now, if I could only get those fries on-line...
More people are MSFT shareholders than realize it. Almost anyone owning an equity mutual fund, or an S&P 500 index fund, will have a, perhaps small, chunk of MSFT. And yes, I suppose many of those investors are happy, but "fat". Anyone buying MSFT this morning made a nice profit on the day...
Maybe it's just me, but the smug, self-righteous snobbery of Mr. Katz makes so many far right Republicans seem warm and fuzzy. Perhaps, on some distant future day, Mr. Katz can get past the ad hominem attacks on people and focus on the subject at hand.
As was noted by another poster, the file_menu stuff doesn't work currently under solaris...but that was a recent change in one of the 0.16 pre releases.
If I can ever connect to ftp.enlightenment.org, I'll download 0.16 and try it out. (Using 0.16.pre5 right now).
Evil Sun doesn't give it's software source code away. SCSL is just so nasty. Boo hoo hooo! Sun is just using Linux to compete with Microsoft.
Ok everyone. How about all the folks whining about Sun Microsystems start writing some code and/or documentation instead. Do you really think for a second that some company is going to give us everything for free just because we whine a lot?
Crying about Sun isn't going to make linux scale better than Solaris (it doesn't now), it isn't going to get Netscape 5 finished to run on Linux (it's way late), it's not going to get better development tools, yada yada yada.
So, stop yer crying like a bunch of babies and do some work!
Your post should be prefaced with "I claim that
Do you have any documentation that Sun chose to kill WABI and orphan WABI users because it wanted to push Java?!
Again, WABI was killed years ago. WABI only does Win16, not Win32, and WABI was _always_ a limited solution at best.
There are a long list of potential reasons why Sun hasn't released the source code for WABI. Chief among them is that the source code probably isn't Sun's to release...not without a big code review, etc.
WABI is hardly comparable to TWIN. Sun has made for more contributions to Unix and public domain software that has Willow's.
Get some facts to back up your rather empty claims...
Sun didn't kill WABI for Linux. WABI as a product from Sun was killed quite some time ago. It isn't Sun's fault that some other companies licensed it and continued to sell it...until March. IIRC, Sun dropped WABI about two+ years ago.
Quite simply, WABI no longer made any sense. It only support Win16 apps, and even then the apps need to be certified to run under WABI.
There are much better solutions available that WABI. SoftWindows is rather nice. Even better are the Citrix type products in which a group shares a single NT box. Any app can then run and run quite well. At a previous employer, we purchased WinCenter on the spot while it was still a beta. That was many years ago.
To think that WABI was cancelled because of or for Linux shows how lame the analysis in this article really is.
Finally, Sun bought StarOffice to help sell SunRays. Again, this has nothng to do with Linux. People need to understand that some companies, banks for example, having 10,000 PC's...doing nothing but running a few small apps that used to run on 3270 terminals. The Sun Ray is a perfect solution for this. Think of a bank teller...or a cashier at a point of sale. This is a HUGE market. Only a fool would want to install a PC (Windows, Linux or Solaris) to do something so simple....which is why people are feeling as though Bill Gates and Microsoft has been playing people for a fool.
It wasn't used in the Sparc 5, that was the Microsparc II, with an SBUS controller. The fastest speed of the Microsparc II was 110 Mhz.
The TurboSparc ran at 170 Mhz in the Sparc 5.
The Sparc 10 and Sparc 20 used the SuperSparc and the HyperSparc. The SuperSparc was the first V8 architecture Sparc processor from Sun.
It is expected that Sun will also be releasing the same information for the UltraSparc processors in the near future.
The point that is being lost here is that the IIep is a current product that is used in embedded solutions. Sun want's people to use this chip, and in an effort to increase sales, is releasing this information. For those who are unaware, the embedded cpu market is vastly larger than the PC/Workstation market.
Taco is a genious. Except that jwz did this first with dadadodo.
http://www.jwz.org/dadadodo/
DadaDodo is a program that analyses texts for word probabilities, and then generates random sentences based on that. Sometimes these sentences are nonsense; but sometimes they cut right through to the heart of the matter, and reveal hidden meanings.
First, let me state categorically that I will take my son to his pediatrician long before I take him to see, hear or read anything by Mr. Katz.
The issue for the Academy of Pediatrics had to do with parents using a television as a baby sitter. Quite simply, a child is being done a grave disservice by being parked in front of the boob tube for many hours a day. Why? because such passive activities don't help a child learn to function. After all, the television isn't going to teach a child the correct way to pronounce new words or improve his or her motor skills, make cookies or play with friends.
I suggest that everyone run out and read any of the books on Flow by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi. See, for example, Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience. Children need to be engaged in tasks that are demanding and rewarding. Television is neither.
I think that there are some excellent children's shows, but the vast majority are simply advertisments. (As a side comment, if companies could, they'd put advertising on toilet paper. I'm surprised that no one has put advert's on those little hand dryers in the bathrooms!). Children don't need commercials, they need parents.
Finally, being "cutoff from new media technologies" isn't going to impede a child's growth. Children will still have television available to them, along with the web. But, I can state from personal experience that I didn't grow up with any "new media technologies" and I'm not hampered in any way. This is some of the worst FUD...and it's on /. too!
Media histories in medical files?! Please, take your medication, breathe slowly into a brown paper bag and relax a bit. Such breathless fear-mongering is really below /.
The Academy isn't focused solely on the violence on television; there concern is that many kids are simply abandonded in front of a tube. That parents abdicate their responsibilities to the mostly mindless shows and advertising is the real issue. Excessive television violence is only one small part of the whole picture.
This article from Katz is some of the most baseless FUD I've seen in a long time. I think it's really a shame that /.'ers rush to point out FUD from Microsoft, but then accept the same from one of its own. I expected better.
God, I mean Mr. Katz, forbid that a child demonstrate some personal creativity and initiative of their own. After all, Linux didn't get written because Torvald's was watching television.
Not to surprise anyone, but disk capacities have been in powers of 10 for some time now, not powers of two. In other words, that 4 GB disk is actually 4*1e9 bytes, which is somewhat less than 2^32 bytes...or about 73MBytes difference.
This is shockingly naive. It's all well and good to claim that you can do as you please and it's no burden on society. Except that driving without a seatbelt or using a motorcycle without a helmet has a very real price.
Assume that you do get into an accident...perhaps while ignoring the speed limit. The emergency services people have to race to the scene to attempt to save your life. They rush you to the hospital and put you on life support. And you then spend the next 6 months having some nurses aid wipe your ass because you're paralyzed from the neck down. Of course, this extra cost drives up auto insurance rates for us all. Not to mention snarling traffic and forcing many people to sit in traffic jams while your life is being saved.
Now, personally, I'd rather just let you die on the street for being so stupid. Some peole's live are really meant to be a warning to others. But that isn't how our society works. You have many rights...and you also have some duties and some responsibilities.
The SEC, not E*Trade or RedHat, make the rules. If you don't like them then please write the SEC and your congressman and complain. Notably, the rules were formed because many people have been harmed by IPO's. An IPO is a great source of potential fraud, for example.
Now, I happen to work for a broker-dealer, so I can't take part in this or any IPO.
The Netscape product line is all dead anyway. The version 4.0 of the server is the last in the NAS product line. I imagine that it would be pointless to introduce the product to a new platform when it will so be end-of-lifed.
The new company is called iPlanet, and will be introducing new products combining the NAS and the application server that is currently sold by Sun (purchased from NetDynamics).
This has little to do with various dark conspiracies that Sun doesn't like linux. It has more to do with basic common sense marketing of a product that is being replaced by newer technology.
begin{opinion}
It's a shame that some of the responses are of the form that "Sun sucks; this is FUD from Sun; oohhh, conspiracy; linux rool3z". Grow up people. Just because a company makes a choice doesn't mean that they oppose linux. This is simply a case of a company trying to combine two competing product lines. Anyway, I could go on this point, but I need to be productive on something else....
/end{opinion}
Having worked on a system with 12,280 cpu's, I can
say right now with confidence that hacking together 10000+ odd intel systems simply won't work.
First, I worked on the QCD Teraflop system http://www.ccd.bnl.gov/RIKEN_BNL/riken.html
It consumes a substantial amount of power, generates a lot of heat and has a lot of components. Component reliability is a major issue. We don't have 10000 disk drives, 10000 network cards, 10000 power supplies, 10000 everything.
Keeping all the pieces up and running requires careful engineering, checkpointing results at intermediate steps (the checkpoints can be BIG), etc, etc.
It won't be done with el-cheapo PC hardware.
I think the point was missed. The type of license is just completely irrelevant to whether or not most people use a software product.
Perl is popular and successful because it is a great piece of software (and Apache too), not because of the license or the hype of OSI or anyone else.
ESR is listening to his own rhetoric a bit too much.
Open Source has received some media attention recently because of the _products_. Apache and Perl are too good examples of programs that have a proven track record of working; working without any hype from ESR or the OSI.
Linux is beginning to get media and corporate attention due to the markeying efforts of companies like RedHat and Caldera. Really, Intel made an investment in a company with a _product_, not a movement.
Yes, the efforts of ESR and other OSI advocates have helped to increase the mind share of open source software; but what really did the trick is a few high quality products (which just happen to have been in production long before OSI existed).