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Building a Teraflop Donated Beowulf Cluster
A number of people have written in about the new Teraflop Project aka Project Übermensch. It's an interesting idea-these folks want to get essentially the equivalent of 10757 AMD KII 350s, and turn it into a monster Beowulf cluster. In exchange for donating a machine to the project, you get a month of full bore processing power from your old machine, as well as a for-life e-mail address. They've got an address on the site to send machines to-but how often do you think one of these things is gonna break? I'd hate to sys-admin thousands of old boxen.
And who will donate the power stations?
What does a KII-350 equipped PC go for these days? Sure looks like an expensive way to get an e-mail address.
Remember, you don't get a month of Uber-computing power; you get less than 300 seconds. They said you could have the equivalent of a month of your original processor's computing power.
give you or the recipiant of your choice the equivalent of one month of your old machine's full bore processing power.
What do they mean by equivalent, if you left your machine on for one month and id nothing but process X data, they would processes the same amount of data for you on this "Super cluster".
Ok, the thing here, someone sends in a 386 w/2 megs of ram, the equivalent of one month of this processing data, would be able 1 nano-second on this "Super cluster", right? What the hell can you do in 1 second.
Who cares about what you don't want. I certanly don't. Stores on /. are for people that are interested in them. People like you who feel the need to pipe up to say they're not interested in a story just create noise. If you're really not interested prove it by keeping your mouth shut.
If you are number >36 you will have to wait >3 years for your month. This seti@home project will have come to an end till then.
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Forget my other reply:
You only get the equivalent of one month of cputime of the computer you give them. Depending of the size of the cluster this is just a few minutes. IMHO it's better to keep your machine and let it run for some months.
This sounds more like mad scientists eugenic experiments to create human v2.0.
"Überrechner" still sounds stupid but is a better suited name. I guess, people read too much Nietzsche without really reading him...
Looking at some whois queries, Superior Systems actually does exist, and has since April of 1998. Eric Sayward is their contact. So if this is a scam, it is putting the "company" at risk. So the program might be extremely flawed, but I'm not so sure that it is a scam.
Hey what about the GNU "Gnome" guy, what ever he is called, "nothing says loving like GNU"
You sick bastard.
Each old box comes with a case, a powersupply, a harddisk, RAM, a screen adapter, etc. If one wanted to get maximum yield from something like this, one doesn't stack them togetehr and abstract away everything except the dirt slow CPU.
One gives them away to people who can only run Windows on their main computer, so they can learn linux. Or to linux users who want to try out *BSD, or even Be.
We do this ourselves (collect, biuld and give away older boxes), but I won't give you the address of our site, so you won't think this is a plug.
Daniel Mikkelsen, on.tfelypoc@leinad
Indeed.. Reminds me of something I heard about ENIAC, didn't it have a MTBF of a few minutes?
"Übermensch" was Nietzsche's idea about the perfect human in one of his books. It's not about races or something like that at all.
Actually we need special racks with cold air blown in from under the floor to keep our 12 servers up and running.
Once the cold air system went out in this large CPU room (+100 CPU's, routers, bridges,...). Temperature went up to 40 degrees in the room. Inside the racks temperature was up to 60 degrees making the CPU reboot and go completely out of control.
Multiply by 100 and I'm outa there!
I hope that not too many decisions in the world will be based on what your anti-German racism "reminds" you of. Not everything German is about Nazis.
I'm just dying to help the corrupt public school system. How about donating it to the FSF, or if they don't want it, selling it and donating the money to the FSF.
I've corrected myself a few minutes after I've posted the article.
.. and this is what I found.
s /8737/
http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Campu
If you go to this page please note that items in ALL CAPS are my comments.
I can say however, after visiting the comound, this does not -look- legit; if they want to restore confidence they should come up with something more comforting than - http://www.teraflop.org/legal.html
They seem to have some pretty hefty goals for this computer system... It sounded a little off, now that I think about it.
To avoid confusion I put up links to larger views (600x450px) of the images.
s /8737/
http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Campu
You be the judge.
one of the most brilliant philosophers ever.
He was not racist or anti semite in any way. The nazis most certainly did not understand him.
What I want to know is what happened to the nice Vietnamese grocery that used to be in your facility.
Taking pictures of the outside of downtown buildings in daylight is just plain subversive and weird.
Maybe, but he definitly was a pervert!
:-)
"Wenn Du zum Weibe gehst, vergiß die Peitsche nicht".
Isn't that about SM games?
I doubt that anyone who can't even email the correct way can built up a well working cluster.
Just look how he quotes. An he's using HOTMAIL!
"hmmm.... from ther FAQ section.
Have you acheived a teraflop yet?
Unfortunately we are only operating at
approximately 1 Gigiflop at this point
in time but with your help we hope to be
able to break Teraflop barrier by this
time next year."
That is reall good for a some one who has only had ther requst for "donations" webpage up for 5 days. and you think that thay would have a image of this 1 GigaFlop cluster. This story seems a bit funny
Depens if you start an advanced algorithm course with some sincere labs =)
Costwise you would be better off buying 1000 4-way Xeon boxes instead.
:)
Why? Because over the course of about 2 years, you'll spend more on cooling and power for 11,000 old cheapo boxes than you would on the cost of the 1000 4-way Xeons, and the 1000 4-way Xeons would be much faster to boot.
However, as the pictures located at http://www.geocities.com/ResearchPark.Campus/8737/ are of the Superior Systems corporate office, and you are claiming Superior Systems as the corporate sponsor of this monstrous project; then it would seem to me that it would be in everyone's interest to detail a bit of the technicals of the project to quash any suspicions that this is not a scam. This can be done without revealing word one about 'where' this beast will sit. You however have not done this but rather have simply insisted that this is not a scam and that NASA would be doing the same thing.
For example, without revealing the final destination for the project you might detail some of your methodologies for powering and cooling these boxen, how about discussing the IO issues involved with implementing this 10000+ node design.
What type of experience do the people running teraflop.org have building and implementing linux systems let alone clustered linux systems?
Remember knowledgeable people can detect cut-and-paste answers. The other Beowulf projects are going to start to get pissed if you continue to steal their verbage for this scam.
I have to say that if one really does "think about it" they will realise that a 'company' that isn't capable of keeping their own single-host Internet connection alive (www.lacrosse-inter.net is still down as I type) is probably not capable of engineering, constructing, SECURING, and administering this alleged behemoth.
PLEASE NOTE THAT WHEN READING THE SITE THEY OFTEN REFER TO THE PROJECT AS BEING COMPLETED OR NEAR COMPLETION WITHOUT A SINGLE BOX IN THEIR POSESSION.
But hey, at least I can order a really cool backpack or coffee(?) mug; and hey I learned about that great rave you guys are advertising on www.teraflop.org/research.html - thanks for the extensive research! Are you guys going to do behavioural modeling and analysis of the rave subculture?
Presumably anyone that has really worked with a beowulf cluster, or any enterprise-class cluster for that matter is no longer following this garbage.
I just want to leave you with this one last piece of evidence taken from http://www.teraflop.org/pr.html --
"This "ultra" computer code named Übermensch, which has the capacity to do more than one trillion operations per second (teraflops), will not only be publicly available but will be built entirely of donated equiptment. The unique machine is to be installed at Superior Systems of LaCrosse and will also be used worldwide."
BAHAHA! my machine is in the mail man. really.
Sorry the real URL is:
s /8737/
http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Campu
thanx
Why don't they get stingy with the processor time and use MOSIX?
The ususal network type is made as a circle or as a "web" if it is switched. But if you are going to use that many mashines, I think that we have to think in a new way. The best way must be a pyramid system. That is a place where the main-machine uses the resources of about 10-100 machines. These macines then uses another 10-100 machines each. The network-lines are only stretched from master to slave in the cluster-system.
Then the presure on the machines on top gets less, and the preasure on the Network gets much smaller.
I got no solutin for the place to put it up, but a big Gym like The vikingship could hold that many. (The site for TG (Worlds greatest temporary LAN)).
Back in MY day, when we wanted to scam free hardware, we had to go to the trouble of getting several dialup accounts and spamming USENET. And we had to write our own spam scripts! All this for a couple dozen NeXT cubes!
Sheesh, hardware scammers have it way too easy these days. Young punks. Hmmph.
traceroute www.teraflop.org...
www.teraflop.org = 208.222.100.35
If you open up http://208.222.100.35/, you see an offer for free business website hosting. If you open up http://www.teraflop.org/ you see their page. Clearly, they're using HTTP/1.1 - too cheap to use an IP address per virtual host.
TERAFLOP.ORG was registered 5 days ago. I'd bet they haven't even paid for the domain yet.
As noted, their POC is a hotmail address.
Uh, guys???? Do you think this could possibly be a um, SCAM???
Sheeeit. Their total outlay is $0. If even one person is stupid enough to send them a computer, that's a pretty hefty profit margin. Why is this on slashdot?
*nods*
I was wondering that, too. Then I thought maybe I was being over-sensitive, I dunno.
BTW, I think the reason it reminds use of Nazi terminology is that it *was* (or, unfortunately, still is).
I'd like to get a beowulf cluster of those...
oh...
2^5
Posted by Lord Kano-The Gangst:
I only have 4 machines in my bedroom and it gets freaking HOT. With the air conditioner in the next room running at full blast and a big ass box fan blowing cool air into the bed room it's still this how.
Imagine my problem multiplied by 2500. It might even be worth their while to explore the possibility of recapturing this heat for other uses.
(in some cities large building's air conditioning units run on steam power)
LK
What's the point of having a month of Uber-computing power. My PII is more than capable of keeping up with my key strokes, and I can compile anything *I* need in less than ten minutes.
As far as a permanent address, I'd rather not. I like to get a new one every now and again to keep undesirables confused.
Misfit
While of course my cluster didn't reach teraflop speed, it was all donated, and let me say right now, that converting around 40 donated old 486's into working, fast, boxen was a royal pain in the ass. Especially when you still have high school to deal with!
With our cluster, we attained speeds of around 1.7x faster than a dual pentium II 450. We did some rc5 cracking, beta testing for mathematica, and are looking into investigating parallel povray rendering. Once the machines are running, I have to say, it is quite a pleasure to work with!
peace
aXion
ps. right now, our cluster is offline, but it should be back online soon at amc.faceprint.com
pps. if any of you want to donate some *fast* machines, (and by fast I mean above a pentium 100), email me, chris, at axion@faceprint.com thanks!
Think!
But what if it was possible? What if you could do it with linear scalability? What if you could have 2000 machines opperate at the speed of 2000 machines? Then, it might be possible. :)
More info later...
-I just work here... how am I supposed to know?
Well, Übermensch means 'superman' and was originally coined by Neitzche and later incorporated into the Nazi philosophy - much as the swastika was. Although Neitzche had some pretty dodgy ideas (although I think claims that he was a raving antisemite are overblown) and seems to attract a fair share of knuckle-draggers, he was no nazi.
Nick
-- "It's a sad day for American capitalism when a man can't fly a midget on a kite over Central Park" - Jim Moran
Why not just keep your system and have the full 100 bogomips, though? :)
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"'Is not a quine' is not a quine" is a quine.
Quine "quine?
Are they going to build a hydroelectric dam on
the Mississippi? Rent out space for the cluster in the old Heileman six pack?
I am sure there are a lot of Ueberdoods just waiting for these machines so they can have shell accounts and crack password files in record time.
From the account given, it doesn't appear that anyone has given much thought as to what one would do with over 10,000 machines. I doubt they have the physical space, much less the administration resources.
Keep your computer and install a nice bathroom terminal. If you use it at all it will have been a better investment.
As I was reading the site, the first thing that came to mind was.. after everyone has there month of CPU time, what will they do with the machine? Most likey they will be selling time on your donated machines.
Almost anyone can call themselfs "non-proft" these days and get away with anything short of murder. (For that you have to work for a place like Microsoft)
symetrix. We are building a religion, a limited edition.
In all reality I'm sure this is the sort of network they are planning to set up - where different racks are already on their own switches, everything in the rows connected to the next switch, rows connected to the larger switch where the control would be - obviously this would help in breaking off a rack for maintnence or for a smaller project. whatever... sounds like a nightmare (and what exactly could I do with a beowolf cluster if I was to donate a computer - i'm assuming that it won't be configured for SETI or better yet distributed.net)
--onyx--
Wow, they sure didn't take much time to cover up that RC5 related site they leached their HTML from did they. I take this just a little bit personally... *sigh*
- Adam L. Beberg - The Cosm Project - http://www.mithral.com/
Here's a better approach. You donate a 100-bogomip machine, they knock off 15 bogomips for networking overhead, claim 40 bogomips for their own use in exchange for the trouble of building and maintaining the system, and you get to keep 45 bogomips. That is, you get the right to use 45 bogomips-worth of the system's cpu load, forever if you so choose. (Assuming Beowulf system administration allows this kind of control...)
You can buy, sell, rent or barter your bogomips. You can donate fixed time periods of your bogomips to worthy causes (seti@home, the mersenne guys, the rc5-cow guys, whoever).
Several shared beowulfs might come into existence and there could be a whole beowulf-share economy with cryptographic protocols for electronic bogomip transfers. It would be cute.
WWJD for a Klondike Bar?
I find that name - Projekt "Übermensch" - a very
very bad choice. The word reminds me too much
of Nazi terminology.
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That still doesn't mean that the word is a *good* choice as a title.
There are several words and symbols that were innocent in their original sense of meaning, but that have a terrible historical burden today. And "Übermensch" is one of these words.
(And no, this is not a question of political correctness. I hate PC, but I know my first language. See my other post in this thread.)
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I spent a little time looking into what it would cost to run this machine, just the electricity consumed by the boxes, not including AC.
By my exceedingly rough calculations, a 400-MHz Celeron can crank out about 36 times the work of a 40-MHz 486 at roughly double the electric consumption. The way I figure it, you charge users the same amount of money per work unit, at a 20% markup over the electricity consumed by the 486 processor to do the work. If you purchase a Celeron, it will pay for itself in about 21 weeks compared to the free 486, from reduced electrical cost and greater earnings produced. By the same measure, I estimate that a 400-MHz G3 Macintosh laptop would pay for itself over the 486 in 70 weeks, and over the Celeron in 100 weeks.
My mental picture of a 1.0 GFLOPS cluster is one or two dual-CPU PCs. I think this is entirely achievable for under $2000 and probably doesn't really rate a photo.
Seeing as how this is a Linux-based cluster, I think they should call it "Überpensch".
its a massive task and without *alot* of help its just not going to happen !
space admin it all requires money and they dont have it
good luck but without a backer they just wont get off the floor
350MHz is old boxs ?? not where I come from
john jones
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
If that's not enough, we will give you or the recipiant of your choice the equivalent of one month of your old machine's full bore processing power.
So, if you donate a K6 II 350 box, you'd get about 4 minutes of time. Of course, most people would plan on donating much weaker PC's... Granted, it would have a LOT of RAM if you needed it for some project, but you could just leave you box running for a for a month yourself at least a dozen times over before they could ever complete this thing...
>>My name is Eric J Sayward head of the Übermensch project. I find your lack of faith disturbing.
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Slashdotters--
WTF is this? Was there even *one* person who didn't believe this was a scam? This is total bullshit; they don't even give you a physical location (that I saw).
The post about "scamming" NeXT cubes made me crack up though, as I used to do something similar (minus the scam). Key up a USENET session and say something to the effect of:
"I'm a student and I enjoy working with old computer hardware and software. Please get in touch with me via e-mail to get rid of that old box, and I would be more than happy to pay S&H."
That sure doesn't seem like to much of a scam to me. I've gotten 4 386's about 7 286's a TRS-80, a NeXT slab, two Mac Pluses ( one piece, B&W screen), and a top-of-the-line Pentium III machine that was throw out as *defective* at CompUSA. I got it home and found out the IDE cable on the hard drive was backward.
God, I love America.
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Imagine; get rid of your shitbox doorstop, and you'll have a month of calculating seti@home blocks. You'd be unbeatable (until somebody did the same thing with more computers attached)
Create an interactive, real-time, ray-traced...
Pengiun porn! (With cameos by the BSD Daemon)
-eldamitri
"there once was a big guy named lou
To think someone would actually donate a 350MHz(?!) machine to this just makes me ill. Chances of this project ever even getting off the ground are slim and none, these guys are probably going to end up just using the for gaming boxes or something worthless when the project fails.
Really, if you have a computer you don't want, donate it to a school. I work/volunteer at an elementary school, and we wouldn't have literally 70% of what we have if it wasn't for hardware donations, and another 10% of what we have can be attributed to monetary contributions towards technology.
Donate it to a local school and write it off, and if you can't find a local school, we're always open to donations, working or otherwise. :)
Computer stuff we need
Just my two cents.
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Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do. --Benjamin Franklin
Having worked on a system with 12,280 cpu's, I can
say right now with confidence that hacking together 10000+ odd intel systems simply won't work.
First, I worked on the QCD Teraflop system http://www.ccd.bnl.gov/RIKEN_BNL/riken.html
It consumes a substantial amount of power, generates a lot of heat and has a lot of components. Component reliability is a major issue. We don't have 10000 disk drives, 10000 network cards, 10000 power supplies, 10000 everything.
Keeping all the pieces up and running requires careful engineering, checkpointing results at intermediate steps (the checkpoints can be BIG), etc, etc.
It won't be done with el-cheapo PC hardware.
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By donating to Project Übermensch you are donating to "individuals" who cannot he held responsible for anything that happens. By choosing choosing to use the Übermensch you agree that the individuals involved cannot be held responsible for any damages or losses incurred through system failure, network downtime, or anything Übermensch or it's administrators may do.
well, I don't think this is a scam per se, but I don't think these guys are going to be able to pull it off ether
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Well "Übermensch" means "super human" acording to bablefish.
if it would have ment "super machine" or somthing, It would be beter, but "Übermensch" was what hitler called the white race, it was a lot more then just technology to him, "Übermensch" was what he was striving for, with things like the Hitler Youth, etc.
he wanted to bring about "Übermensch" through ugenics, and of course, mass murder
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"penis.com, the hardest place on the net, men fucking men 24x7"
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I'm thinking about trying to get there this week end. I live in MN, not too far (nor too close) to LaCrosse. For me shipping would be more exspensive, plus I want to see the place.
You can't get a blue screen on a black and white monitor.
I live not far (nor close) to LaCrosse, so I emailed the head honcho about a visit.
Synopsis: This project is so secret that a donor can't come see where his machine will go.
I was interested in the project before - but now it just sounds like a scam.
see the whole email (kinda interesting which questions he answers (hah!) and which he doesn't)
You can't get a blue screen on a black and white monitor.
Considering that a 386 is far less powerful than a current top-of-the-line machine, but uses only a little bit less power, a point will quickly come where it's cheaper to buy a new machine than to pay for the electricity for a bunch of older machines.
Not to mention heat. At my former workplace, they got 10 rack-mounted quad-processor Xeons with the intention of clustering them. They were planning on testing the cluster in a small room in the basement before moving them to the main machine room. Plans had to be changed because of the amount of heat that 10 machines put out. The heat produced by 10000 machines would be truly phenominal.
Forward, retransmit, or republish anything I say here. Just don't misquote me.
If you read the article, it says you get a month's equilavent of your original machines power.
/10757 = 4.01 AmdMinutes.
:)
so, a month of an average AMD350 is
30*24*60 = 43,200 AMDMinutes
which is worth
43,200
So, the proud donater of a 386SX25, could get of the magnitude of 1 second
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No, pyramids won't work. Hypercube is the way to go, or perhaps a hyper-torus. Essentailly, you will want to guarantee a consistent maximal path length for each A to B connection, irrespective of where nodes A and B are.
Then you pile on a handful or more of control nodes to monitor and steer the system.
Check this out, it's pretty funny.
http://www.frognet.net/~wentwrth/beowulf/
Starring:
President Bill Clinton as Beowulf
Danish Prime Minister Poul Nyrup Rasmussen (and Pope John Paul II) as Hrothgar
Cookie Monster as Grendel
Michelle Pfeiffer as Grendel's mother
Boris Yeltsin as Wiglaf
Godzilla as the Fire Dragon
Hillary Clinton as Wealhtheow
The A-Team as Beowulf's thanes
David Letterman as the guys in the Geat castle
Let's have a show of hands: how many of you have actually seen a Beowulf cluster? Where I work (Caltech's CACR), we have a 114-node system, and it's pretty damn big. You can't just have all of the nodes packed densly: you need to be able to access the backs for networking, power, etc. It takes up a pretty sizeable amount of floor, and reaches up to the (rather high) ceiling.
Here's a couple of pictures. The one up top is just one side of it.
These guys want to make one that's over 100 times as big! Can you imagine the network cable nightmare? Not to mention the power requirements. Makes you feel sorry for the technician that has to set it up.
The other big problem with a large cluster is network latency. You can reduce the effects of this by passing larger packets of info, but there's still a limit that you reach. Just because you make something 100 times bigger doesn't mean it'll be 100 times better.
I also think that the software configuration would play a major role in the efficiency. I'd rather trust trained scientist (not me; I'm just a student), who's been working with large-scale parallel machines for years to set this up, not some tech guys who thought it'd be a neat idea. But maybe I'm just pessimistic.
Still perfectly happy with my 1-node PII... -ElJefe
Good detective work! The pics pretty much speak for themselves.
Somebody post this up!
I would volunteer to go to 611 Main Street, LaCrosse, Wisconsin, 54601, but since I'm 270 miles away, maybe someone else can go and scout out the digs :-)
If you see a house with a rusty front door, run. If you see a multi-block warehouse with an air conditioner the size of a couple Mack trucks, then there might be some truth to the whole thing...
If you read more closely, you'll find that one gets 'credits' for each computer one donates. Imagine how much time you'd get if you donated a 386..an hour perhaps? There is no way they can allocate one month of computing to each donater and expect a few hundred donaters.. This is most likely a scam, or perhaps a little-thought out, but good-intentioned project a couple of bored techs thought up. A bit too idealistic and very improbable.
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Where they are going to get a couple of megawatts to run this thing. Also, enough airconditioning to get rid of a couple of megawatts of heat.
Clearly the networking of this many machines will be impractical for most mathematical problems, I guess this will only be good for problems which could already be tackled by d.net or seti.
Yeah, we've got a proto-Beowulf with (usually) four nodes (seems like you've got to have something like 16 nodes to make the claim to fame) so I'm somewhat familiar with them. This story sounds like BS to me. Even with a reasonable setup (hypercube, n-tori or such) the communications overhead makes it hardly worthwhile to use old i368 based boxen.
Pipe dream anyone?
"I believe the children are our future: nasty, brutish and short."
from their " "we'd be really happy if" page.
:)
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We'd all be happy if...
(wishes here)
or if we had a bunch of media attention so we could get all these things, that would be nice too.
i guess they got the media attention?
i dont display scores, and my threshhold is -1. post accordingly.
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Security? for 386's, 486's and low level pentium's? Who's gonna want to steal those? "top-secret"? You have a rogue government as a sponsor?
He *does* have a non-hotmail account. At least one.
2 77 where we find that:
From an altavista search of "eric sayward", we found one link to http://www.moneysearch.com/cgi/message.cgi/view/1
1) mailto:way@lacrosse-inter.net
I wonder why he didn't use that email address?
maybe because the site is down?
2) He owns lacrosse-inter.net. Kinda makes you
wonder why he has to get a "free hosting".
Again. His site is down. Kinda makes you
wonder if he can keep 10,000 working. This in
turn leads to the internic listing. Shows that
Superior Systems owns lacrosse-inter.net and
that Eric Sayward is its contact.
sayward, eric (ES3891) t1-spsys@EXECPC.COM
608 779 4249 (FAX) 608 782 1331
3) This also yields another phone number 608-386-4298 in addition to his posted 608-782-3006.
4) According to the DNS records, it doesn't maintain its own records, but granitecanyon.com
does for them. Searching the records reveals...
just about nothing. a MX to the system named MAIL, which, like all the other hosts is a CNAME to the main system. Nice ISP. This equipment seems like it could be housed in that little shack from the pictures. Easily.
I wonder how his "customers" use the ISP.
finally someone who knows whats going on here, The project was named after the image of the perfect being and has absolutely no relation to nazi's or any other political, religious, or social group of any kind !!! Read the info on the site. http://www.teraflop.org .
- Eric J Sayward
Here is the exact reason we did not relese the location of the system because every tom dick and hank would drive here to see it, hack it, steal it, or whatever the case may be. CAN U SAY SECURITY RISK ? Until we get phase 2 of our security up we will not be releasing ANY info on the location !
Eric J Sayward
Übermensch mailing list is now up teraflop@coollist.com
I would lilke to be able to speak to everyone at the same time and answer all questions or concerns.
This whole thing is a scam, or very near to it. I know who "way" is, and this "betterment of humankind" crap is just that: crap. Maybe, judging from what I know, it should be betterment of porn, since that seems to be way's specialty. Any person who sends anything to this deserves to lose it.
Oh yes, the reason, I believe, that their other site is down is because their T1 was cut off for nonpayment of the bill for a few months.