I guarantee you will quickly come to hate the new "narrowing" errors, for example any time int converts to float inside initializer curlies, or double to float. As a language feature, this lies firmly in the category of wanking.
That said, my code is all full of lambdas now, thankyou. On the other hand, lambda syntax is uglier than sin. While a lambda can do anything a lexically scoped nested function can, it is not pretty. Now obviously, there is no reason not to support proper lexically scoped nested functions, as GCC already does. Arguing that they are now unnecessary because of lambdas is, again, wanking. The practical fallout is that when you move a lambda-style helper function to global scope or to member status, you have a bunch of editing to do, to remove the ugly auto/lambda bits.
Another big disappointment is, nothing was done to address the good features C99 has that C++ does not. Designated initializers and variable size array parameters, to name two. Wanking again.
On the whole, there is too much wanking going on in the C++ stewardship process. Guys, you need to remember, C++ does not exist only as a means of compiling the STL.
Open sourcing things like education, arts, and soft/hardware is one thing. Messing with the pharmaceutical companies is entirely another
True that. And ask yourself this: where exactly did Bill Gates put his ill-gotten billions? But to tell the truth, Bill's cynical involvement just makes creating the alternative more of a sport. And in truth, usual barbarian hordes by all appearances would seem to be fed up with the ilk of Bill and his drug baron pals, and are even as we speak happily gearing up for the usual invasion.
And why is this necessary? Well put it this way: I saw that one day my aging Dad had to pay for meds without subsidy. Wow, over a thousand dollars for one month for nothing exotic. And to think, normally we don't see that and it just comes out of our tax dollars. Talk about a tax on the stupid.
Linux's share of the desktop market is still rather tiny...
Depends how you measure it, whether you consider absolute numbers (which are in the millions) and how heavily you weight the various kinds of users. For example, Linux basically owns the animation workstation market in Hollywood.
Mozilla are struggling to remain relevant in a post-webkit world. Not being "interested" in Pepper is really going to help.
Struggling maybe, but still very relevant, and still ahead of Chrome in market share, depending on whose numbers you believe. In my opinion Mozilla foundation should be busy migrating to a GPLed fork of Webkit if they wish to be sure of staying relevant.
The net can't afford the risk of Google, arguably losing sight of its onetime "don't be evil" ethos, attaining a complete lock on the browser development agenda. Therefore Mozilla must not ever be "embraced and exterminated" by Chrome, and it will not be.
True, we would all be better off without evil/proprietary Flash, however this stunt still smacks of collusion with Adobe to advance an anti-copyleft agenda against the Mozilla project and, to me, fails the don't be evil test with flying colors. Looking forward to an official position statement from Google's Open Source Programs droid. Without such, I can only presume evil is afoot.
Wow, you can indeed be a dunce, for you do not see the obvious, that the erosion of Firefox market share since 2010 is purely at the hands of "don't be evil" Google throwing its massive resources at what is essentially a hostile-but-cuddly-like-a-puppy takeover of the free browser space. To have preserved so much market share in spite of that concerted attack is a real testament to the strength of Firefox, the Mozilla foundation and the GPL.
Now in the end I suppose that Google will stop short of doing a Netscape on Firefox, and thus likely ending up in court over it. Just out of prudence. And the two big competitors can then turn all their energy to knocking IE out of the ring, as it well and truly deserves.
It takes a strange worldview to claim that "reasonable" is an extreme position.
First you would have to accept the proposition that the imposition of a user fee of any size on free software is reasonable, which would indeed require an open mind, one so open as to properly be termed "gaping".
A great time for Debian, Canonical and Red Hat to take this good project entirely out of the clutches of evil Apple. Apple can send patches if they like.
Oh wait, actually if Ubuntu does the work to boot Unity on it, it should be dead simple to substitute a decent QT interface, so I hereby change my mind and officially think this is a great project. So call me fickle:-)
Here in The Netherlands I see adverts of large phone houses where the Nokia Windows phones are offered without ever uttering the word Windows!
Interesting. You could almost think that MS marketdroids went out and did some research and found that for typical buyers the word "Windows" is a branding liability.
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I guarantee you will quickly come to hate the new "narrowing" errors, for example any time int converts to float inside initializer curlies, or double to float. As a language feature, this lies firmly in the category of wanking.
That said, my code is all full of lambdas now, thankyou. On the other hand, lambda syntax is uglier than sin. While a lambda can do anything a lexically scoped nested function can, it is not pretty. Now obviously, there is no reason not to support proper lexically scoped nested functions, as GCC already does. Arguing that they are now unnecessary because of lambdas is, again, wanking. The practical fallout is that when you move a lambda-style helper function to global scope or to member status, you have a bunch of editing to do, to remove the ugly auto/lambda bits.
Another big disappointment is, nothing was done to address the good features C99 has that C++ does not. Designated initializers and variable size array parameters, to name two. Wanking again.
On the whole, there is too much wanking going on in the C++ stewardship process. Guys, you need to remember, C++ does not exist only as a means of compiling the STL.
Open sourcing things like education, arts, and soft/hardware is one thing. Messing with the pharmaceutical companies is entirely another
True that. And ask yourself this: where exactly did Bill Gates put his ill-gotten billions? But to tell the truth, Bill's cynical involvement just makes creating the alternative more of a sport. And in truth, usual barbarian hordes by all appearances would seem to be fed up with the ilk of Bill and his drug baron pals, and are even as we speak happily gearing up for the usual invasion.
And why is this necessary? Well put it this way: I saw that one day my aging Dad had to pay for meds without subsidy. Wow, over a thousand dollars for one month for nothing exotic. And to think, normally we don't see that and it just comes out of our tax dollars. Talk about a tax on the stupid.
So, you would be a typical Apple fanboi, then? No wonder you're not welcome in polite company :-)
its all there in black and white, since GPL V3 its been going straight down the toilet, with its numbers falling by the month.
It would seem you live on a different planet than I do.
Linux's share of the desktop market is still rather tiny...
Depends how you measure it, whether you consider absolute numbers (which are in the millions) and how heavily you weight the various kinds of users. For example, Linux basically owns the animation workstation market in Hollywood.
Six years is a long time in the graphics world and AMD / ATI have had plenty of time to fix their broken stuff.
As I understand it, it is essentially just two full time AMD engineers on it. They do a respectable job considering.
Sincere thanks to Microsoft of entertaining me. Ranks right up there with Bill's infamous butt wiggle.
That particular information is not passed to advertisers so it's all good isn't it.
Mozilla are struggling to remain relevant in a post-webkit world. Not being "interested" in Pepper is really going to help.
Struggling maybe, but still very relevant, and still ahead of Chrome in market share, depending on whose numbers you believe. In my opinion Mozilla foundation should be busy migrating to a GPLed fork of Webkit if they wish to be sure of staying relevant.
Do it without -f:
rm -r ~/.macromedia; ln -s /dev/null ~/.macromedia
Flash has always simply worked.
I agree, I don't think I've ever had Flash crash my system.
Agree all you want, you will still be wrong. Google for "flash crashed" if you doubt me.
The net can't afford the risk of Google, arguably losing sight of its onetime "don't be evil" ethos, attaining a complete lock on the browser development agenda. Therefore Mozilla must not ever be "embraced and exterminated" by Chrome, and it will not be.
True, we would all be better off without evil/proprietary Flash, however this stunt still smacks of collusion with Adobe to advance an anti-copyleft agenda against the Mozilla project and, to me, fails the don't be evil test with flying colors. Looking forward to an official position statement from Google's Open Source Programs droid. Without such, I can only presume evil is afoot.
Wow, you can indeed be a dunce, for you do not see the obvious, that the erosion of Firefox market share since 2010 is purely at the hands of "don't be evil" Google throwing its massive resources at what is essentially a hostile-but-cuddly-like-a-puppy takeover of the free browser space. To have preserved so much market share in spite of that concerted attack is a real testament to the strength of Firefox, the Mozilla foundation and the GPL.
Now in the end I suppose that Google will stop short of doing a Netscape on Firefox, and thus likely ending up in court over it. Just out of prudence. And the two big competitors can then turn all their energy to knocking IE out of the ring, as it well and truly deserves.
Florian.
Wow, you sure seem to have a vested interested in this.
It takes a strange worldview to claim that "reasonable" is an extreme position.
First you would have to accept the proposition that the imposition of a user fee of any size on free software is reasonable, which would indeed require an open mind, one so open as to properly be termed "gaping".
But also it's not true that ObjC is not cross platform. It's on iOS and also the Mac. That's two very distinct platforms.
Wow, you have quite the sense of humour for an Apple shill.
Thankyou :-)
A great time for Debian, Canonical and Red Hat to take this good project entirely out of the clutches of evil Apple. Apple can send patches if they like.
Oh wait, actually if Ubuntu does the work to boot Unity on it, it should be dead simple to substitute a decent QT interface, so I hereby change my mind and officially think this is a great project. So call me fickle :-)
Because with this and the killing of kubuntu its as I said and canonical is slowly bleeding to death?
Exactly. If it was QT I would be interested, but GTK is one big "meh". Good luck Canonical, you will need it.
Well anyway at least it's not Java.
Why would anybody want to waste their time with a proprietary API using a splinter language and throw cross platform development to the wind?
Here in The Netherlands I see adverts of large phone houses where the Nokia Windows phones are offered without ever uttering the word Windows!
Interesting. You could almost think that MS marketdroids went out and did some research and found that for typical buyers the word "Windows" is a branding liability.
Mod ^--- that tripe down to oblivion please.